The Chris Voss Show - The Chris Voss Show Podcast – Alexandra Renders, Founder and CEO of Willow, Investments for Loving Change and Heart-Centered Leadership

Episode Date: October 11, 2023

Alexandra Renders, Founder and CEO of Willow, Investments for Loving Change and Heart-Centered Leadership Investwithwillow.com Biography Alexandra Renders is the Founder/CEO of Willow, Investments for Loving Change, in Berkshire County MA. Holding both a certified B-Corp and Woman-Based Enterprise (WBE) designation, a rare combination in the USA. Alexandra is known for her keen, intuitive calls around thematic trends and market cycles. Willow pioneers Caring Capitalism with her core values of honesty, love, and caring for all of humanity. In addition to finance, Alexandra is an intuitive healer and guides all beings to their inner state of freedom, bringing abundance in all aspects of life.

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Today, we had an amazing, brilliant mind on the show. We've been hashing it out, talking about 80s Wall Street stock markets and all this good stuff on the side. And we're going to be talking about some really cool things here that I think you're going to love and enjoy because that's kind of the central focus of what we'll be discussing today. Today, we have Alexandra Renders on the show. She is the founder and CEO of Willow, a certified B Corp and designated WBE, which is a woman-based enterprise investment firm.

And she comes to us as the founder and CEO of the company Willow, which is the investments forving Change in Berkshire County, MA. She holds both the rare combination of the WBE and Certified B Corp in the USA. She's known for being keen, intuitive on calls around thematic trends and market cycles. She pioneers caring capitalism with her core values of honesty, love, and caring for all humanity. In addition to finance, Alexandra is an intuitive healer and guides all beings in their inner state of freedom, bringing abundance in all aspects of life. And so that's why we have her on the show. So she can bring abundance to everybody. I like that.

And learn. So welcome to the show, Alexandra. How are you? Thank you, Chris. Wonderful to be here, and I'm doing great. Thanks. It's wonderful to have you as well. Give us your dot coms.

Where do you want people to find you on the internet? Okay, so you want to go to investwithwillow.com and unitedinterstatesoffreedom.com. There you go. So give us a 30,000 overview, Alexandra, in your words of what you do and how you do it. Oh, my. Okay, so I've been in the industry for 37 years and I saw a very flawed industry working on Wall Street and held many various high level positions in investments throughout the industry. And it was in 2009 where I said there has to be a better way because the way

that I was experiencing it just didn't cut it for me. And so I decided to start off on my own and unbeknownst to me, I didn't realize that this just wasn't going to be about doing investments. It was about me being out and if you will, front and center about the fact that I am an economic intuitive and I'm okay with that. Very different. Not a term you often hear in this industry and I have to say I was skewered for it by a lot of my colleagues who were probably pissed because I called a lot of the trends um you know what can I say and um and I I wanted to create a company that was just very different than what I experienced I wanted to create something company that was just very different than what I experienced. I wanted to create something where people felt safe.

And that was like the number one thing I wanted to do in my organization. So I created safety. And through that safety, I created a culture of like openness and love and deep concern at the same time as we're managing money for people. So they can be married. They can be blended. There you go. And I've read many perspective over the years. I was trained when I was in my early 20s to be a stockbroker,

and I've done day trading, and I followed Wall Street immensely. In fact, I think I remember you could buy Berkshire Hathaway for $800 a share. I know. Can you believe that? Yeah. And I thought it was expensive then. Oh my God. There you go.

I followed him for a lot of years. You're doing something different with wealth management. So you're a wealth management organization who handles money for people and their investments and what they want to take and do with their goals. But you guys are focused on something done very differently. And tell us a little bit more about it. I see some things on the website that talk about deep knowledge, conscious capitalism, and being heart-centered.

What's that about? Okay. So first of all, there's no perfect formula. And that's what I learned about the investment industry. And I think you know that because you traded in the 80s, so you get it. For a long time, we were ESG SRI. So for people who don't know what that is, that's environmental social governance and social responsibility. We abandoned that process a few years ago, because what we found was the policies that were being created around the world was actually creating a greater group of disenfranchised people.

It was actually shoving people deeper into poverty, because they were actually putting in policies before we actually had solutions. So yeah, and I can go into a lot of examples of how that is. And I guess I'll call it like, like just a ton of greenwashing. Like, for example, like, everybody thinks the electric car, blah, blah, they're pushing it. Okay. But let's, let's face the fact there's a there's a, I think it's in kansas there's a back a battery um manufacturing facility in kansas that has to run 100 on coal it has its own coal plant yeah let's get real shall we you know so i mean and what it ultimately is doing is it's pushing up the prices for everyone and especially you know like i said creating a greater group of disenfranchised

people. So we got to a point where we said, okay, we have to do like a deeper dive into these companies and look at, there was two things, like actually the qualitative look at the companies, not quantitative. So we got a little bit more involved. But the other thing is, I knew the only way that change was really bummed out that this wasn't working. Things are getting worse for my human family, not better. So I realized that change has to come here. And so I decided to create a corporate culture of love because I believe that ultimately is what's going to heal everything. Because if every action I take, I know that my action matters to the whole, then I will always take the proper action.

If that makes sense. That does. It does. You know, uh, we were talking before the show, you and I, uh,

came into wall street about, I think about me about the same time. Um, and you know, I, I, there was, there seemed to be this big transfer.

It was the eighties, you know, and you had Reagan saying, trickle down economics, it's going to work. And I've watched that dissolve the middle class in Main Street since, well, ever since then. You know, we saw the greed is good era, the Ivo Bioskis that famously quoted that, and then went to jail for, what was it called?

It was called, what was it called? Were you a background trade? Oh, inside trading? Inside trading. There you go. There you go. And, you know, the Michael Millikins and all that sort of stuff that went down. Gordon Gekko.

Gordon Gekko. There you go. And so much of that that went on, and it seemed to be, in my mind, because I was very young and I was coming of age, I was just entering the job market. And I was looking at my father, who grew up with the IBM sort of era, who was like, you work for a company all your life, you get the gold watch, and you get the retirement, and the two-figure fence, and the two-week, you know. And it seemed to be unions were under attack. The new way to jump your stock price was to lay off people. And so people kind of became this laying off people.

We kind of became like this thing. It's like, hey, if your company really sucks and you're doing awful, just lay off a bunch of people. And Wall Street will love it. Yeah. Yay. Yeah. I think even, what is it? I want to say Diamond. The the head of Jamie Diamond has even

said, hey, we kind of went a little too far on the whole spectrum of focusing too much on investor returns as opposed to just building solid companies. I'm not sure how well he really believes that our spouses are cares, but it sounded good on paper, I guess, from the PR aspect of it. And so we do kind of live in this environment, but there is a lot of change going on. Like you said, we've had several different professors on the show that have talked about the greenwashing element, about how there's a lot of BS that's out there about green elements. We have people on the show just recently that were talking about how, you know, new employees want to work for companies that seem to be more compassionate, seem to be caring about different things, you know, how people are treated, how the environment is treated and things like that. So it sounds like you're on the cusp of something that,

you know, is kind of coming of age. I so believe in it. And I have to tell you, when I did this, when I decided to kind of just come out of the closet with this, and I think it was like three or four years ago. I remember I said, I want to create a culture of safety, love, self development, because everybody here is required to actually do their inner work. And, and of course, the change for the better good. And I remember when I first announced this, people said to me, Oh, that's so idealistic. It's impossible. And I thought, you know, I, you know, that's all you have to do is give me a challenge, and I'm on it. And so we were able myself and my partner, my my executive coach, who's now actually my husband, we actually put together a quantifiable way to actually measure love in an institution.

Oh, wow. Yeah. So actually, my team gets like, you know, just like any performance review, you know, do they have competence? Do they have motivation do they have um motivation those are big but number three is culture and in that culture piece is how much are you showing love to your other employees and it and it grades it in four levels and it's the same thing with safety how are you showing safety in the organization i'm not talking about physical safety i'm talking about you know emotional safety and And that would come up by way of conflict, if any conflict comes up, because conflict is

going to happen, right? How are we going to deal with that? I'm telling you, these people here know how they are, they are, how do I say this? Highly competent communicators, especially when it comes to conflict, because we put the money and energy and time into that. Yeah. So you basically, you would say you're bringing spiritual principles to capitalism? Absolutely. That's, you know, at the core, I had to sit with it and say, that's what I do. And I mean, that's the other company I have to sit with it and say, that's what I do. And then I mean, that's, that's the other company I have interstates of freedom is my husband, my partner, and I,

we work with, and he's a very decorated executive coach from Belgium, who's worked with a lot of big organizations. And I have to attribute a lot of my courage to come out, come out with this was through the work that the individual work that I did with him, that I literally had to get over my fear of rejection. Because when you tell people in the Wall Street firm, I want to bring love to business, they're like, this woman is completely baked. But you know what? One thing I'm going to say about me i'm always ahead of the curve and if i just get over it and do it like tiny homes for example i knew that was going to be a trend many years ago the tech bubble financial crisis i told you i called both of them before

they happened i have the ability to see trends i'm all about pattern recognition okay and everything talks about patterns and i knew i knew i'm not going to hold back from what i know is the next trend and something that i believe in wholeheartedly which is love so once that one yeah so anyway i digress but but yeah that's my most important spiritual principle. And I've been around people who have passed away, quite a few, four of them recently. That's all they want in the end. So what are we waiting for? There you go.

I mean, the world needs a whole lot more love. I've been an entrepreneur all my life. I'm a capitalist. I enjoy business, but I do recognize that unbridled capitalism has some problems right now, especially when there's a human cost to it where humans are expendable at every level. I mean, we've talked on the show ad nauseum about how people don't, people between insurance companies, between employers,

throwing people out. You see all this kumbaya during COVID where everyone's like, we're a family and we're all going to get together. And then somehow, you see that joke a lot on LinkedIn. They're like, oh, we're a family? Stop using the family language because you throw us out

whenever the boat takes on a little bit of water. Well, we have a massively dysfunctional family. It's really what it is. It's probably true. It sounds like my Christmas dinners and Thanksgiving dinners. But, you know, it is dysfunctional. It's, you know, the issues with wage. We're seeing unions make a comeback. We are kind of in a different place though that i don't know if a lot of companies are realizing that uh now but uh a lot of the baby

boomers and the gen xers late gen xers have left the have left the job market and we actually have a uh want for employees and we're gonna have a want for employees it's gonna get worse one of the things i was reading i think think it was in the New York times, the wall street journal a bit ago was that for every seven baby boomers that are retiring that have that they have lifetime of skill work, you know, that you can pay them a really good money for and they're masters of their trades.

There's only one person replacing them and they're a newbie who doesn't have any of the experience. And so in all trades, I mean, between doctors and everything on down, we've got a fight that's going to be coming up over future employees, and somehow we want to have an economy that grows. But you've got to have an employment base that also grows, which is what the baby boomers and had and i think we had but you know we've been in a 20 29 decline of birth rates for several decades now um and uh yeah it's kind of interesting where we're going you bring up really

valid points i love that you're bringing all this up because um the labor participation rate is definitely coming down that's definitely a pattern that's taking place. And when you couple that with the demographic change, like the change in thinking, like a lot of this younger generation, so I'm at the very beginning of the X generation. You're probably at the end of the boomer generation maybe. I'm not sure where I fall in the thing. I think I'm deep in the middle. I might be at the the end of the boomer generation maybe uh i'm not sure where i fall in the thing i think i'm deep in the middle i mean i might be at the tail end of x

yeah yeah so 68 yeah i'm 65 so so anyway um so essentially what i see happening is the younger generation will not tolerate what we tolerated they just't. And they're a little bit more, I want to say on the ball than I, than I think our generation was. I mean, I came out of college and I'm like, okay, car, house. And, you know, you know, I had this focus that was very different than what I see with this other generation. And, um, I think employers, you better get ready. You better get ready for what's coming next because I think there's going to be a demand. They're going to demand things very different than what we did.

We were more slaves to our jobs. They are not. Yeah, they're not. They are not. And, I mean, I think that's the one thing, like, for example, Pascal and I run these panels, and it's called Five Stories, Five Humans, Five Stories, Infinite Wisdom. And it's literally one person from each generation that we put on for corporations, actually, to actually hear from each generation what's important for them as an employee in the future. So these companies get to listen and ask questions to each one of these generations on how they can keep them employed. So, and what you're hearing is the younger generation just will not tolerate what the older generation has.

Definitely. And they want companies that, like we mentioned earlier, that care more about what's going on in the world and I think value their people more. And they can demand it. We're seeing that extraordinary. We're seeing unions stand up again. Unions can be making a be making a comeback and saying hey you know the power has come back to the employee i remember before covid you know people were talking about hey we need to increase the minimum wage to 10 or 15 dollars and like everyone's raising hell and like no way this

whole economy will collapse now we're seeing cities that are approving 20 to 25 dollars minimum wage I think California did 20 dollars minimum wage for uh fast food workers um uh you know it's kind of interesting it's kind of we we are in the way we are like the the pendulum is swinging because I think like again you and I are right in the same bucket there and when when we came out of school, it was high inflation and it was going down. We actually see that trend. It's reversing now. We're going in the other direction. So we're going into a super cycle of inflation and a super cycle of like a stagflationary, I call it reverse stagflation, where the cost of necessities are going higher. So when you actually look at the real wages, yeah, cost of necessities, I think, are going higher at a time when you're having like a low growth economy. So the cost of necessities are going to go higher.

So for these people making 20 an hour, it's really not much. And especially in California. It's just catching up to what it should have been for a long time, actually. I know. And I argue that they're still behind. I hate to say it, have been for a long time actually i know and i i argue that they're still behind i hate to say it but you know yeah so how do you how does the company take and bring spiritual principles to business and what's the value of it yeah so it's it's primarily in internally how we manage uh our team um how how we manage the employees within the organization

and what's expected of them and then how they're to show up for our our clients it's a very different i know that a lot of people talk about we have the best service and all this kind of stuff i'm not looking for that what what we do like with our clients is we do a pretty significant big give back we we offer to our clients to come in on a monthly basis to do things like called constellations which helps them with any family dynamics so we actually focus our energy on anything that we have that's anything that we have that's a donation or anything we put towards raising the consciousness of the individual in our community that's that's like a big thing for us how do we help raise a person's consciousness and we run programs right here that my company

actually sponsors that's how we give it back because the bottom line is chris we're a small investment advisor. Some companies will listen to us that we own, but most of them are like, oh, yeah, you're a small investment advisor. We're not a multi-billion dollar investment advisor. So we said, well, how are we going to do this? We're going to do this right here in our grassroots because that's the best that we can do. And we have clients around the world. But those who want to join in can come in, and we run all kinds of programs for this.

There you go. And how do you put values into action in life, business, and community? It sounds like I think we spoke in the pre-show or during the show about how you kind of help your clients balance work-life, living, and kind of being in this values, importance of life and love. And all that, like, again, that's part of what we offer here. You know, we have on team a full-time coach who actually has specific processes to actually, like this is for real. Somebody with PTSD or trauma, he has a process to help them in one session to help them overcome the major part of their PTSD.

Oh, wow. It can be done. Listen to me. EMDR, I'm an EMDR practitioner. I gave it up for this method that we learned. And these are the kinds of things that we actually do for our clients. And right now, my company is getting ready to sponsor him to go to Maui to work with the people for free there to help them overcome the visions that they saw, the sights that they saw on that fire and the trauma that they saw experience he we are sending him there to deal with this to help these people overcome it can be done very quickly

this is what people don't understand and these are the kinds of things like I want to help people know that this is available to them. And if you're part of this, this company, this is something that we make accessible. There you go. And in the end, it's not all about money. I mean,

we've all made money and, um, you know, I mean, I remember when I first became successful at 30, I kind of reached that. Is this all there is moment. And,

and I was like like everyone hates me uh everyone likes me for my money um but my life is a mess I mean all it did was amplified what a horrible uh kind of I don't want to say I was a horrible human being but it amplified all my worst aspects that I hadn't fixed in growing up poor and, um, having issues of trauma and stuff from childhood. Um, but it,

it just amplified everything. And if anything, it insulates you and makes you feel justified in some of the bad behaviors you have. And, and I just wasn't happy. I was just like, this,

this isn't as fun as I thought it would be. In fact, in fact, if anything, it's worse. You know, the things I remember watching fight club and having a moment where I was's worse you know the things it would i remember watching fight club and having a moment where i was like jesus the things that own you own end up owning

you and i'm like wow i'm i'm just a prisoner in a gilded cage at this point i mean that's that's really where i'm at so um you know you talked about uh some things in the pre-show about what you do with um with some of this uh coaching that you do tell us about that and how that works i forget the term you use okay i'm a channel so i know that this is okay so so i i mentioned that i'm an intuitive so one of the things and and i am an economic intuitive i have been able to see trends i know what's happening today. I wrote about it in 2012 and it's happening. And you know, this reverse stagflation I call, I am a definite like, like pattern recognition is a really big thing for me. So, so I use my intuitive skills. So I not only use, I use both hemispheres

of my brain. So the intuition and the science. And I combine the two in my work here. The other thing that I do is because I have been like a healer for really, I say, all my life. And I sometimes think that that's really what I am as a healer. I just happen to do investments too. And, you know, one of the things that I do is I have sight, I have this ability to see inside a person, it's not always comfortable to their shadows. So you talk about like the trauma you experienced as a little boy, for example, we all have something. And my site actually has the ability to link um what is going on for someone to a pattern so i'm going to give an example a woman who came to one of my channels so i do it for groups of

people and you can ask any question you want she said you know i'm really bothered by a lot of stuff at work and i really don't know what's going on. And I'm just feeling all these feelings. I go in, I'm just not feeling good. And so the channel came through and said, oh, that's because you're picking up on an emotion every time you walk into that building. And do you know what that emotion is? It's either mad, sad, glad, or scared. Cause those are the four emotions. And she said, and I knew which one it was.'s like oh anger and i said of course anger and especially women are not in touch with their anger and it's really important for women to get in touch with their anger and it's really important for men to get in touch with their sadness fear men will not admit their sad and fear women will not admit they're angry okay and and

when women admit they're angry we will not have war and when men admit that they're angry. Okay. And, and when women admit they're angry, we will not have war. And when men admit that they're scared and they're sad, they will get the recognition and the support that they need because there's a lot of burden on men right now. And I think there's, I feel, I feel deeply for what the males are going through in our society right now. They do not get the support to be able to have that vulnerability so anyway through the channel it said look at this is what you need to do you need to write on a piece of paper all the reasons why you got ripped off in your life i could see clearly it had something to do with her as a little girl i could see she grew up in an alcoholic family it

was very clear through my sight. So I said to her, because I was helping coaching with this company, and this is a woman who worked there, I said, please get on a piece of paper and write all the things. She contacted me. She couldn't sleep that night after the channel. She said she wrote five pages. Now, she's in her 40s, okay? So she's been holding this in for a long time. She wrote five pages of now she's in her 40s. Okay, so she's been holding

this in for a long time. She wrote five pages of all the things that happened to her as a little girl that she got ripped off of that made her piss. That is what the see, this is why this work of helping people awaken and come to their awareness is very important to me. Yeah, this, if you can do that, you're going to overcome your fear and you're going to manage your company at a very high integrity because you're no longer afraid. There you go. That's why there's so much greed. There's fear. That's it.

And it's interesting how much of that is on there. In fact, we just had a young lady on a couple days ago, Kat Cannon. She wrote a book called Behind the Mask and she talked about trauma-based. She's talking about the same sort of thing you're talking about where people's traumas are haunting them into the workplace and we need to recognize and help people with that

if you're building teams or if you're a leader, this more heart-centered thing. This seems to be becoming uh more popular as we go through it and people are starting to realize that hey it's not all about doing the work and going through the motions of work and and uh maybe doing something you're dispassionate about you know finding stuff that you love but also you know healing the wounds from your childhood so you can overcome them and not be suffering from trauma. The beauty... Yeah, and you have to understand. Think about this.

It's us wounded children. It's us injured. We are injured and leading our company. These injuries... Oops. I can hear you. You're coming through. I think there's a little bit of blips on the internet there.

I can hear you if you can coming through. I think there's a little bit of blips on the internet there. I can hear you if you can hear me. I think so. I'm hardwired too. Can you hear me? Yeah, I think it's breaking up on your computer. Can you hear me? Yeah, we can hear you. It's breaking up. your computer. Can you hear me? Yeah, we can hear you. It's breaking up. I can't hear you right now. Okay.

Yeah. Can you hear me now? I can hear you now. I think it's stabilized. Can you hear me now? I can. I can hear you now. Can you hear me? I can hear you now.

There we go. I can. Yes. Okay. Let's hope this stays. Yeah. So anyway, I think that we have a bunch of injured children running our companies. And so how can you heal capitalism if you aren't healing the person?

That's very true. I mean, there's all this talk There's all this talk About some of the stuff that's going on in industry Right now you know All these lawsuits that are taking place And you have to understand Chris I have been in a lot of boardrooms I held senior management positions

I held executive positions at larger Companies I sat in those With those injured people And I saw how they behaved. It wasn't okay. And that's probably why we need more heart centered stuff in there because we're trauma based leaders essentially. Exactly.

And yeah. And, and love, you know, like it isn't easy to sit here and say, I'm, I'm, I'm creating corporate culture of love.

It's, it was vulnerable at first, but now I'm like, it's who I am. I don't, I don't care anymore. Yeah. We, and we've, and there's a lot of people that have sub traumas. Uh, you know, there was a lot of loss during COVID, you know, there's, there's all sorts of things that people grow up with. It's,

it's a very tough world right now. And, and, uh, you know, a lot of the millennials grew up, uh, with the craziness of the 2008 crash. Um, and yeah, people take their traumas and drag them through their whole life if they don't resolve them. I tell people, if you've got traumas, go see a psychiatrist. Get professional help now. Don't wait. It affects everything you do. It's an impact.

You can see how it impacts your whole life. And sadly, by the time you recognize it, you've drug it through your whole life. And so it's really important people deal with this. So the channeling thing, do you offer that as a separate coaching offer or is that just only for your clients? Well, I always do it for my client. Whenever they need me, I'm there. But I do offer it separately through the Interstates of Freedom, through our other company. I offer free

channels every week i do them for free to groups of people and all they have to do is just you know email alexandra at interstatesoffreedom.com and they can get on the mailing list and like i said it's it's literally free that's my gift back to the world. It's a gift that I have. When I work one-on-one with people, that's when we'll charge, but otherwise, look at this as part of the gift that I've been given and I want to share it. There you go. And so that we get your services in here for investments in here, there's also people out there listening that can get involved with you guys for investing. Is there a minimum client that you take on? Yeah, our minimums are...

What looks good for you? Well, I'll tell you what looks good for me is somebody who's aligned with who we are. Okay. I mean, more than even what they have. So just so you know, I used to be an institutional portfolio manager. So I manage big funds. And then over time, when I was the last employer I was with was a bank, and it started dropping down in size.

I moved out of New York City, and I moved up to the Berkshires. And so there were smaller accounts, like a million. And so not these large institutions. And when I started my own company, I said, this is about people being aligned with who we are so if they have 250 000 we'll manage them and even if they were smaller and if they are aligned we would take them on um our average account size somewhere around 2 million um but i would say you know it's about who they are and what they need.

There you go. There you go. I think it's breaking up again on itself. It's not a same thing when they call in. So you guys handle investment management, coaching for empowered living for individuals, comprehensive IRAs, taxable accounts, trusts, and more. Full picture financial planning, using your money through proactive proxy voting. You also do for companies and nonprofits, retirement plans, and learning to lead with heart and excel. So really cool stuff. And something where you feel like you can change the world and improve the quality of the world as

opposed to just trying to get rich and scrape the world for everything it possibly can, it sounds like. That's my motto. That's where I am in my life. Yeah. There you go. And so when people want to reach out to you and see if you guys are a fit, how can they do that? Okay. Alexandra at Invest With Willow.

You can also go to www.investwithwillow.com and then also alexandra at interstatesoffreedom.com and that's for the channel work and to get on our list for free channel they can come there there you go well alexandra it's been wonderful to have you on thank you for coming on we really appreciate it ch been wonderful to have you on. Thank you for coming on. We really appreciate it. Chris, thank you so much. I'm sorry I'm hardwired. I'm not sure what's going on here, but sorry for the interference. Thank you so much. We'll edit it

out in the end. That'll fix it. So these things happen with computers. But it's wonderful to have you on. I'm glad companies like yours are out there trying to change the world and improve the world. Thank you very much for that. Thanks to our audience for tuning in. Go to Goodreads.com, FortressCrispFoss, LinkedIn.com, FortressCrispFoss,

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