The Chris Voss Show - The Chris Voss Show Podcast – Amara Samata’s Transformative Journey: Embrace Change and Discover Your True Self

Episode Date: August 16, 2025

Amara Samata's Transformative Journey: Embrace Change and Discover Your True Self Amarasamata.com About the Guest(s): Amara Samata is a transformational consultant, communication strategist, and relationship mediator with over 10,000 hours in facilitation and more than 2,000 groundbreaking sessions across 35 countries. She is the founder of the Inner Guidance Institute and creator of the Inner Guidance Method, an accelerated framework for resolving inner conflict and restoring clarity, courage, and aligned actions. Amara has extensive experience mentoring individuals and leaders, helping them rebuild trust and enhance communication with tools such as Inner Mirror and Golden Request. Episode Summary: In this enlightening episode of The Chris Voss Show, host Chris Voss interviews Amara Samata, a transformative coach and consultant specializing in guiding individuals through profound inner changes. Chris and Amara discuss her groundbreaking methods for resolving inner conflict, the significance of acknowledging one's true self, and the impact of transformative work on personal and professional growth. Throughout the episode, Amara delves into her journey from a near-death experience in childhood that sparked a quest for deeper understanding to becoming an actress in Hollywood and a transformational leader. She shares her experiences with meditation, mentorship, and creating her Inner Guidance Method, which amalgamates spiritual principles with practical strategies to foster rapid personal growth. Her insights into how individuals can align their actions with their inner selves offer a blueprint for overcoming adversity and achieving lasting transformation. Key Takeaways: Amara believes the root cause of all suffering is ignorance, and her work focuses on eliminating inner conflicts to align actions with one's true self. The Inner Guidance Method provides a step-by-step process to lead individuals from self-deceit to realization, encouraging them to embrace their authentic selves. Amara's transformation journey began with a near-death experience that ignited her curiosity and determination to seek deeper truths about life and self-awareness. By creating tools like the Inner Mirror, Amara equips individuals to quickly overcome lies they tell themselves and build trust in their capabilities and relationships. Emphasizing gratitude and honesty with oneself, Amara encourages listeners to reframe their experiences, enabling them to tackle challenges with newfound clarity and resolve. Notable Quotes: "I'm looking for that moment where you realize, ‘I can't continue in the same way.’" "Once a realization has been had, you can't behave in the same way. You can't unsee it." "The feedback never lies, but you can misinterpret it for a while." "In that surrender, there’s a sentiment of 'I can't take this anymore. I can't do this anymore.'" "Gratitude really is a profound tool that builds trust really fast."

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rooted in Zoggen, I think I got there right, mentorship, and a decade of consulting. She trains wellness professionals globally to deliver rapid change. Welcome to show Amara. How are you? I am. Thank you. So give us your dot-coms. Where can people find you on the interwebs?

Yeah, you can find me at Amara samata.com. That's me. All right. And so give us a 30,000 overview of what you do there at the Institute. Yeah. So I have a training program that I teach people how to do what I do. So there's a certification program there. There's also group coaching every month that I have a small group that I take in. And we do some very deep transformational work for your life. And then, of course, private consulting as well. Ah, so you do one-on-one and group? Yes. So tell us about yourself and what got you into this field.

well you know it's kind of like how far do you want to go back let's go all the way what shaped all the way all the way we want to know the journey the journey exactly yeah um we all have those moments a night where something sort of shakes us and makes us look at life a little bit differently right so i had an n-de as a child near-death experience that's called i i slipped into the deep end of a swimming pool when I was about five years old and what happened in that space was this kind of kicking beyond the veil as you could say or there was a there was an understanding that was more to life than then just what we see in life and so coming out of that pool it really set me off on a direction of staying true to my to my create to my questioning nature you know

I was very curious what's really going on here what's you know what's life all about so That I think was really something that drove me to really find the deep truth. I went on a journey to know myself. I went into the performing arts. From there, I went into the healing arts. I was an actress in my old life, yes, in Hollywood, Los Angeles. I went to NYU, and I was doing film and television. And then if anybody's out there and they find themselves in a job they don't want to be doing.

one day I was actually working on a movie and I realized I don't like acting. I don't like the product that I'm creating. I would never watch this stuff. What am I doing? And I decided on that day that I was going to follow the path of a life that I love. I was going to do things that I really love. I went into acting to overcome being shy as a child basically and it just kind of stuck, you know, sort of work.

Well, I mean, we try on different hats, right? throughout our lives and see what fits. And, you know, I've gone through that same sort of thing. It sounds like maybe you, and correct me if I'm wrong, but maybe you kind of enjoyed that and you thought, well, this seems like it's a good fit. And then, you know, you had that moment of epiphany or clarity where you go, I'm not really sure I like this.

Yeah, and then you go find maybe a new adventure to go on and try on some more hats. And it's kind of what life's about. I mean, I get, I have trying on hats just because I get bored doing the same thing. 10 years into something, I'm like, yeah, I don't think I want to do this anymore. And it's a healthy sort of move, I think. Yeah, there comes a time where you've outgrown yourself, right?

And there's something else to do. So I decided to do the one thing that I knew that I loved at the time, which was yoga. So I went into yoga and I was doing a lot of yoga teaching and meditation. And then I got into more kind of spiritual studies and whatnot. And it really kind of, you know, I feel. followed my dream of being a, starting a family and being a mother and all of that. And then when my life had that breakdown, which is often where we have those breakthroughs, that's where everything really accelerated.

And I was, I just moved to Singapore from the U.S. And my marriage was breaking down. My identity was breaking down. Everything, I was away from friends and family. I was really, really kind of alone in it, you know, sort of at rock bottom. And that's another big decision that I made to follow, to find out, to really seek and find what is it that is causing the suffering in myself. I'm going to crack the code on this. No matter what I want out of this, I'm done.

Let's go. And that was a big turning point for me. And so sometimes, you know, we reach these moment of change when we kind of hit rock bottom. athletic moment. Does that sound like that's what happened to you? There was kind of, you know, everything was kind of failing and, uh, or several of your key components were failing and, and you, you just finally reached that point where you're like, it's going to fix it and not deal with this anymore or I'm going to improve the quality of life or improve what I'm doing to get better results, maybe. Yeah, we keep trying to, you know, I kept trying to find myself and

discover what was right for me. And this was just another one of those moments where, but something was different about this one because I felt like sort of I had tried myself, my ego, my me, whatever that is, had tried to do its best. And I'd kind of, this is as far as I can take it. You know, I don't know what else to do from here. So I knew there was a kind of deeper surrendering of everything I thought I knew. And I didn't know what it was, but I knew I had to find it. And so that's when I called in my teachers. Now, you mentioned something about surrendering. Is that a factor in some of the training that you teach? You know, I know that there are times when I was going through cathartic moments and failing, and it just seemed like

there was no bottom. I wasn't giving up. I was trying to hold on to the old stuff when really I needed to let go and embrace new. Is that principle? Absolutely. Yeah. There is, there's a side of self that is, you know, that's limited in its ability to grow beyond itself. If you're holding on to the old self, your old understanding, and then you try to take that into your new paradigm, it's just, it's not going to work, right? There's got to be new realizations to come that really kind of grow you up out of who you thought you were, how you thought life was. And so it's that kind of chrysalis moment where you have to, you're changing.

And to go through that journey, I have. had my teachers with me and I ended up asking the universe to just send me who what is it that I need to know how do I need to move through this? What is this all about? And a friend of mine said, oh, you're speaking about Tibetan tantra. And I said, great, where do I get this Tibetan tantra? Where is it? What is it? This is a drink I can order a mix of my coffee. Right. She said, oh, no, no, it's very hard to find. You can't get it. It's very secret, you know. But she said, you know, but there is one lineage called Zokchen.

And this is the fast track and they will take people according to their experience. So I was doing a lot of meditating at the time. And so a Zotan teacher came to town a llama. She was a female llama in this lineage. And I sat with her and I had a very, what at the time felt like a very big experience in that meditation. I told her what happened. And she said, oh, goodness, you should study with me. And so I ended up taking her in and being her sponsor, and she became my mentor for two years.

Wow. And so you were able to learn from her. You know, one thing I want to fall back to just a bit, if you don't mind, is you talked about, you know, basically I think what you were talking about was going through that cathartic moment with your identity. And we have to shed that identity because so much of that is the identity. And that's kind of why it feels like, I think, kind of sometimes like, at least for me, a death. Because you feel like you're losing you, but you're not losing you. You're losing this identity, this fake mask that you've built or this mask that you've built that you wear. And you're still you.

And I think that was one of the most important things I went through in my cathartic moments was realizing that I still had me. And I was the, and I had been the, the guy, the dude, that's how I think about it, but I had been that person that had always been that survivor, had been that builder, had always done those things. And because of it, I was, I was always able to rebuild. I just had to do something different, create a new identity, or a focus of career. But I still had that skill that put me into that identity and I could create other identities if I lost them or lost careers or, or, or, or, whatever my identity was to a certain point, maybe a relationship, or people do that with marriages, marriages and identity. And so going through those cathartic moments, I don't know if you want to say anything about

that. Yeah, it absolutely feels like a death. And this is one of the teachings is that there's, one of the really deep, bigger teachings is you can look at it like there's nothing that's not you. So you are always being and becoming more of you. They call it water into water. you step out of yourself and into yourself, not out of yourself into some void where there's nothing left, right? There's, you are there. We could, yeah, we could equally say there's,

if you want to go the other side, there's nothing. There is no you and there's nothing that's you. But once you start cherry picking, this is me and this is not me, you know, then there's some cost and benefits to that that you have to look at. So by using these very deep principles, you learn to not be afraid, essentially, of that surrender out of who you thought you were into who you are becoming. So from being to becoming, you're able to take that journey through what absolutely feels like a death. And when you go into what's even called an awakening or a spiritual awakening, you will go through this threshold of absolute terror of what feels like an annihilation.

But it's really, on the other side, you look back almost laughing, that you saw it that way because that was just the old fear coming up from what it didn't understand. On the other side, you have new understanding. New understanding. You've got to move through it. And it's a process. You know, it's just you can't just click your fingers and suddenly you're in the new place and you don't have to go through the grief of the, I lost the old identity.

And I think that's the other thing, too, is since it's an identity, there's kind of stages of grief you have to go through, don't you? It's a process. Absolutely. Yeah. And when I'm doing rapid transformational work with people, people. We do go through the grieving process. You can't skip over it. So you have to go through the, and this is a classic moment when people hit those very deep paradigm shifts inside, as we say, or they realize something radically different than they had on, you know, that they were holding on to before is they'll begin to laugh and and sometimes cry at the same time because they're so happy for what they're realizing. And they're so sad that they wasted so much time, so to speak, you know, sort of hanging on to some. thing. So that's natural. Yes. To agree. Do you think it's, you know, I, I, I played this game in 2008 when I, when the housing

crisis took all my companies. And my number one company was a mortgage company, you know, so of all the things to have as your, as your, your, your, your, your, your, your treasure is the one that it, you know, gets destroyed. I mean, everybody's getting wiped. And so I remember playing the Faustian, I don't know a Faustian bargain is right analogy but I remember playing the Faustian bargain with myself okay oh I can live with one BMW instead of two oh I can live with as long as they keep the gold watches I can live with it okay I okay the piano's gone as long as I can live without the piano and I'll get it back you know and it just was this decline that I would just not let go and I was just fighting to save everything and it just made dissent and probably the recovery just even more

extended, more awful, more cathartic, more, just destructive because I didn't even become grief yet. I was still bargaining with myself. And instead of just realizing that I was pretty much going to lose everything that I'd built, you know, I kept all my personal stuff, but, you know, my companies were gone. And, I mean, it was, you know, you couldn't do anything back then because the economy came to pretty much almost a complete halt. and but yeah this the bargaining they did with myself you know and then to constantly just it was just

having my identity constantly stripped away where it was just you know this that the other and it just it felt like you're being nitpicked to death when really I should just have accepted hey this is what's going to happen and we don't know where the bottom is and we might as just skip to the part where we start recovery and quit fighting you know there's a point where you just got to get off the ship. You know, the Titanic's 50 feet underwater, and I'm going, I can still raise it, you know. Yeah. Yeah.

And in those moments, really, if we can stop and say, in that surrender, in a real deep surrender or letting go in order to let something new in, there's this sentiment of, I can't take this anymore, I can't do this anymore, when you get really honest with yourself, right? And that's where a lot of great change takes place, really rapid change. You realize I can't be this person anymore, I can't hang on in this way anymore, I can't tell these the story to myself anymore, I've got to find another way. And it doesn't involve whatever, you know, operating that way was, I'm going to have to find

a new way of doing things. And you can leverage what you have. I mean, you had the ability to build something. That's great. Now you can aim that at building something more resourceful, more sustainable. from the inside and out. And, you know, getting down that pathway, starting the grief process and then starting to whatever, you know, I've learned now with cathartic moments that I need to stop, I need to look around,

I need to be grateful for what I have, and gratefulness is kind of a base restarting point that helps me, you know, get back on track. And, you know, a friend of mine was talking about how he's really depressed, he's being hit by a few punches in his personal life. and, you know, he kind of feels like a punching bag right now, and he's kind of depressed over it. And I said, man, the best thing to do is sit down and look at it, you know, you've got two or three things that are coming at you pretty hard, but they're likely temporary. And just take some stock of what you got good going on your life. Because, you know, nine times at a ten, we have great stuff going on in life.

I joke all the time on the show about how I used to get depressed and I'd just go watch cops, the TV show for two hours. And then at the end of two hours, I'd be like, you know, I have a great life. I don't have the cops searching for me and I'll warn us out for my arrest. I'm not getting pulled over all the time for drunk driving. You know, I'm not doing too bad. I'm not in jail all the time for domestic violence and, you know, that guy who decides to fight the cops, you know, I'm actually, I actually got some good stuff going on. I'm good.

Yeah, and you're touching on a key point that gratitude really is this very profound, you know, tool that we can use to build ourselves, to bring ourselves back up because gratitude, what it does is it, it builds trust. really fast because if you're grateful, you know, with yourself, what you're talking about is you're building trust in yourself that I can recognize what's going in my life, I can see it as valuable, and therefore I can now, you know, live from that recognition and to build something else. When you're grateful with another person, thankful for them, you're showing, I have the ability to see how you act to behave, deem that is valuable, and then give that

feedback back to you. So those are high-level trust-building skills, and we need trust in order to move to that next level. Yeah, yeah, definitely. So tell us about some of the work that you do at the Institute. And I think I might have cut you off in your story. You had started to work with, I believe, a mentor or someone. And I kind of pulled you away from that. So if you want to return to that, you're sure.

Yes. Yeah, so I, this Lama, this Tibetan Lama, lived with me. And she taught me every day. And I was in my no matter what phase. I'm going to break through. No matter what, damn it. It's going to happen. it takes. I'm all in. And and just like, you know, what you, what you were touching on there

in your story is, you know, they say the root cause of all suffering is ignorance. That's what they say in Tibetan, you know, or in Buddhist principles. And if you look at the word even ignorance, it means to ignore. So to ignore those signs that you're getting those, like you said, there's messages saying, oh, maybe I should just skip ahead. Maybe I should let this go. We need to not ignore those signs. So it was like a fast track training in how to meet myself, to know myself, you know, paradoxes to let go of yourself. And in this work, there was a tipping point that hit that really shifted my entire relationship to life, to myself, to others, to my whole perspective. That was a big day. But from that day, people began to come to me and

said, you know, can you, can I see you? Can I work with you? And so at the same time, I was studying some, some energy work, energy practices. And I really ended up putting together this inquiry practice that we do in meditation with more somatic practices if you want. And building this, I became obsessed with what's the fastest way that we can get from lie to truth. That's really the journey in life, right? That's the hero's journey. Like, how do I stop lying to myself. And as you said, take off the mask and see what's really true. And people just kept coming to see me. But, you know, it was kind of, you need to go see Amara. And then over some years, it became a method, the inner guidance method, which is a way to really fast-track

people. I walk them step by step. All they have to do is be honest with themselves. And then I step them into realization about different parts of themselves, how they're operating against each other, resolve that inner conflict so they can start to work for you and with you and even beyond where that takes you. And that's where I started working with a lot of people. I was able to work with. Then came in, you know, the CEOs and the founders and that whole world. And then they asked me, can you can you work with me and my wife? And so I started doing relationship work. And it just has never stopped since then. I coach families as well. And then, you know, of course, people said, how are you doing this? Can you teach me how to do this? And the answer was, okay, let me find out.

So I launched my training program. I did a new beta training last year with psychologists and psychiatrists that are studying with me. And they want to know, how are you getting results so fast? And so they're learning it. And I'm very excited to, you know, to launch that again. And we're going to do that at least once a year and have people who are really interested in supporting other people on their transformative journey to learn these skills how to hold the space. Yeah. Oh, that should be awesome. And so

a lot of people that say I'm listening out in the audience there, what are some of the things that you can help me with? What are some of the things that you tend to help? You know, a lot of people come to you and go, hey, I need help with this. What are some of those aspects and tools

that you provide that, you know, if I'm going through a certain thing or certain things, how How do you, how, what sort of things do you offer? So it, it's, I give them permission, really, to go back, to return back to themselves. And to make it safe to do that, to get yourself to be honest with yourself about how your way of perceiving the world and things that you're doing are helping you and hurting you. And what you can, what, you know, how you can make better decisions. So it's, it's a way of bringing.

someone sort of out of the narrative that they have and, you know, putting that on pause, looking at what's really more possible for them, not just as a good idea, but as a real felt experience. And once there's a certain realization that's been had, you can't behave in the same way. You can't unsee it, right? And so that's what I'm looking for is to get to that moment where you realize I can't continue in the same way. It's become too costly. I must change my behavior, even if it's scary, even if it breaks my narrative, even if it, you know, I have to admit some things that are hard to admit. So we go into some confessions. And I have the eight core confessions. I can guide people in the audience just through a few confessions and they

can feel what it feels like just to answer a few, sometimes just one honest, real honest statement with yourself. Be a game changer in your day. Being honest with yourself. Who thought it? Who would You know, and sometimes our identities, I think, you know more about this than I do, but I think sometimes our identities lie to us. They sometimes deceive us. Sometimes they can be self-deluding, maybe, you know, about who I am and what I believe. And sometimes those things run themselves out, you know, but who I am or what I believe eventually finally comes out where everyone figures out I'm full of shit.

And then eventually I have to realize that I guess I'm full of shit, you know, And sometimes it's hypocrisy that exposes that. Yes. You know, people go, hey, you know, you don't walk to talk, you talk, and walk, you walk, and yada, yada. And, you know, then there comes a time where you have to go, well, what do I stand for? What am I about? Or what is this thing, you know? I think a lot of maybe a good example that is in marriages and divorces and relationships, you know,

where sometimes the way we are, we think is a healthy way or a good way. to be a partner and we get rejected by that person who says I've had enough of you and what your elk is about and and then we have to kind of crawl into ourselves and go is it me and many times you know it's 50 it takes two to tango as we say from my generation uh as he's saying this generation he's a narcissist fuck off um the uh that script is so overrun at this point it's not even funny and uh but you know is it me And what do I need to do? And you teach people to reflect on that.

And do you teach a lot of these concepts that come from, I believe, Buddhism and stuff? Yeah. So there's a strong aspect of Buddhism, which is to know thyself. It's the same as you find in, you know, in the Christian. My father was a preacher. So I came from. Oh, really? Yeah, the religious side is as well.

So I'm looking for the core in the teachings. And it's really about knowing yourself. And I like to say the feedback never lies, but you can misinterpret it for a while. So you are often getting the signs, but you're blocking out the information. You know, you're not really letting the signs in until finally your life is just not functioning in a way that, you know, it's just not. I always say like it's not math, you know, like you're thinking this, but your life looks like this. So math, right? It's just not adding up.

So let's break through the yeah but. And so I stop the yeah buts. Immediately we don't move forward until the yeah but is gone. And it turns into yes, I must. Yes, I will. I have to. There we go. So it sounds like you have a pathway established that you help people walk down to help them pull their head of their own ass.

I mean, something probably more professional. Exactly like that. And there are four keys to the success. And having those keys to understanding, you know, these four kind of directions in life. And if you can get a hold of them, you can succeed at anything. And so I teach them people about those and how to have a better relationship to themselves. And then, yes, marriages are, you know, they're strong mirrors. They will show you where things are working and things are not working, where you

delete yourself, partnership, business partnerships, marriages, being a person. parent, all of that will be strongly mirrored back to you, all the things, the ways that you're fooling yourself. If you're paying attention, you'll get to use that as a way to learn more about who you are and what you can be when you are enough, as we say, resourceful enough, which is what I'm looking at, establishing that baseline for people, that they understand they are resourceful enough to then go forth and bring themselves into whatever, kind of growth or experience or journey they want. Are they good enough? I don't know. Maybe they are. Maybe they're not. Maybe they're wonderful. Maybe they're terrible. But you can learn to be

good enough or great enough or whatever enough you want to be if you are resourceful enough as a baseline. And develop yourself. I mean, that's really what you're doing is you're saying, hey, you know, it's time to work on ourselves. I mean, there's so many different ways that we're able to dilute ourselves, the stories we tell ourselves. Maybe the feedback we get, you know, you know, it's, it's just interesting to me how much trouble we get into. And sometimes our stories just change. I mean, sometimes we, you know, we think this identity works for us in one format and it doesn't. I've done that sometimes with my management styles or leadership styles of my business where I've gone.

You know, I think me being an asshole isn't working anymore as the CEO and the boss and I'm getting feedback from my employees that they don't like it either. Yeah. So it could It's probably me And you know I've switched to the entities I've slowly changed and said Now it has to be a better way

To get better results And you know Maybe this work for a time When we're building a company But now that we have a very successful company And lots of employees You know Maybe I need to do things

Or behave in a way that is more conducive To building them And the culture of the company And different things So yeah I mean Being reflective in that way I think really helps in knowing yourself.

And there's a way that to, there's a way to, to fast track that. So when I am brought in to get the feedback in, you know, coming and going for people like, like prepare yourself now you're going to get honest feedback. And it always goes both ways as such as one person getting feedback.

But there is a dialogue method that I created to fast track resolution. And this helps, has helped teams. It's helped people to marriages to take that. one thing they've been struggling with often for years, and we crack the code on that within, you know, a amount of minutes or hours. And that's the inner mirror method, which I'm bringing out. We're developing it right now for, you know, for scale. And in the inner mirror method, it's a dialogue process. It has three levels. But, you know, you very quickly destroy the lie,

you know, that you've been hanging on to, which is, you know, my lucky job that I get to help people with that. Destroy the lie. Destroy the lie. And reveal the truth. And from there, you know, it's going from this fear to courage in having the ability to take ownership of who you are and then to really start to love that journey and to get aligned with, you know, all the things you're talking about and not have to, I like to

fast track it because why, why take, you know, 10 years to learn how to be a better leader when you can do it, you know, in a couple of months? So what else do we need to talk about that you do over there at the Institute to share with people? Just if they want to, you know, look, I've been a secret weapon for the last, you know, seven years behind the scenes. And this is the first time I'm really coming out and letting a public kind of come in and work with me. So if you want to go deep with me, you want to learn how to, you know, communicate well. You want to with yourself and with other people and to build those really empowering experiences, relationships, you know, whatever your mission is. I do that in group work. So I invite 12 people

every month, two different time zones, to come in with me and to do like a boot camp of this work. And then you have those tools to work with for life. And it's you can learn how to self-coach yourself and guide yourself. And then there's implementation. So there's that. Of course, I still work with people individually. I love that work. I do work with a handful of people. Also with couples as well. So I've helped couples start. the relationships, re-amend their relationships, and exit the relationships all. That's what above the line relating is, or Atler is above the line relating. So you learn the principles of above the line relating. And the goal is to be happy together or happy apart mutually decided.

No other, no other options. Sounds like my first 10 marriages. So let's, maybe 11th is the, is the winner for you. Yeah, or not. Let's get it right, Chris. Let's get it right. so there's that and then for the professionals who want to know have transformational tools that fast track realization for their clients in their toolkit or as a standalone practice like I use it um I'm interested in training you yeah well folks give us your dot coms as we go out and final pitch out to everyone who uh how they can reach out to you how they can see if they're fit contact and all that good stuff and uh final pitch out as we go out yeah please amara samata dot com. We're putting up new information every day. And there's ways you can click in and book your

call with me, find out if you want to work with me and sign up with me and apply. It's just that simple. Well, thank you very much for coming on the show. We really appreciate it. Thank you, Chris, for having me. Thank you. I will. We try to be. We try to be. We've done one or two of these shows. So we're working out. I'll get fun or as they go on, I think. Anyway, thank you very much for coming on the show. Thanks for audience for tuning in. Go to goodreads.com for chest, Chris Foss, LinkedIn.com for chest, Chris Foss. Chris Foss won the TikTokity and all those crazy places in it.

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