The Chris Voss Show - The Chris Voss Show Podcast – Avi Kahan on How AI is Revolutionizing the Courtroom and Conflict Resolution

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Starting point is 00:01:15 reflect the opinions of the host or the Chris Foss show. Some guests to the show may be advertising on the podcast, but it is not an endorsement or review of any kind. We've got a young man on the show. we're talking about his company and what he's doing and how he's doing it and get some advice from him on how to do some of the stuff he does. Avi Kahan is on the show with us today. He's a conflict resolution expert and founder of his company.

Starting point is 00:01:40 He has a newly formed platform we'll be discussing that's dedicated to adjudication, mediation and halodgic guidance. I'm not sure I'm pronouncing that right. Did I get that right Avi? Pretty good, pretty good. There you go. With years of experience navigating high conflict cases, he brings a nuanced approach to dispute resolutions, blending legal insight with deep understanding of interpersonal dynamics through his talks. Javi explores the complexities of conflict, offering practical strategies and thought-provoking discussions to help individuals and communities find clarity and resolution. Welcome to the show sir, how are you?

Starting point is 00:02:18 Thank you so much, I'm really excited to be on the show. We're excited to have you as well. Give us your dot coms. Where do you want people to find you on the interwebs? So I'm creating a new platform right now, which is vadhadinvehorah.com. It's three companies mixing together, VAD being one of them, HADIN being another one, Vehorah being the third, vadhadinvehorah.com. And we're going to have other URLs that are going to connect to those websites soon. There you go. So give us an overview of what you're doing there. So I've been involved in conflict resolution, doing arbitration and mediation for I would say

Starting point is 00:02:54 close to 15 years. Conflict resolution could be either a business commercial case, usually partnership disputes, two partners fighting about their company, or the classic conflict resolution between married couples who are now going through a divorce. And I've been involved in that world for close to 15 years. It has its ups and downs, its exciting parts, its scary parts. And I built a bunch of companies around the conflict resolution, offering services and providing necessary tools that I felt people need when they're dealing with conflict and now putting

Starting point is 00:03:28 together a new company called Vaheddin Vohra which is more of blogs and information about conflict and with unique ideas of how to resolve conflict and unique tools. What do you hope to do for your clients with the new website? It's a very good question. I think what I'm really hoping is that people should learn how to resolve conflicts themselves ah Because where's the fun in that though? Because the agenda that people have to help other people solve their conflicts be it lawyers mediators, judges, arbitrators, sometimes confuse people who are going through the conflict themselves. When someone's going through conflict,

Starting point is 00:04:11 it's usually because they were betrayed. And now you're asking them to trust their lawyer or trust the mediator or trust somebody. And that might not always be the healthiest thing for them. And I'm trying to figure out a system of do-it-yourself conflict almost, resolve conflict on your own, have all the tools you need necessary, especially with AI. Have all the tools you need necessary on one website with one platform. There you go. And so people can go to the website, they can see there's three different standards of your business.

Starting point is 00:04:41 There's family and matrimonial, commercial and business, and information. Is the information, I see there's a do it yourself tab on your website, is that for working on your own conflict with someone else or maybe yourself? David R. First of all, yeah, it would give you tools if you know how to have conflict. Pete Slauson Should I buy that car or not? David R. And it's not a joke, there's a way to do it. There's, conflict goes back, the first conflict that's discussed is a work that Plato wrote where Socrates negotiated with himself and learned how to trust the voice in his head that tells him what to do,

Starting point is 00:05:14 which you know that voice that we have. Which one? The one that says, don't drink that beer. It's the seventh one. So that voice that we negotiate with. My voice is the one that says kill all the time. The judge says I can't use that voice that we negotiate with. My voice is the one that says kill all the time. The judge says I can't use that voice anymore. So you better know how to negotiate with that voice.

Starting point is 00:05:31 So that, yeah, so that conflict with somebody else is just like having conflict with yourself, but the doing yourself as an AI system. And I think I'm going to be able to create a, an AI system that will help people navigate with conflict. When they're having conflict with other people, instead of just relying on a lawyer or a mediator or a judge, you could actually rely on your own intuition a little bit. Yeah, rely on your own intuition a bit. I think you're right, a lot of people, we need to get better at conflict resolution

Starting point is 00:05:58 and sometimes just talking to other people. My gaming community recently, there was an issue where a bunch of people made some assumptions about someone doing things and created a narrative that they believed. And when really they could have just called up the person and said, hey, are you doing what we are paranoid you're doing or are you not doing that? And they would have found out he wasn't doing that. And that was it. A lot of people don't want to conflict. They don't want to, I don't know if confrontation is the right word, but they don't want to get face to face with people. And this is probably a skill we need to learn more of it, how to do conflict resolution before it comes to the nuclear war and divorce and having to pay somebody like you say to

Starting point is 00:06:39 fix your problems. Yeah. So I actually created an AI questionnaire. It has 110 questions that diagnose the individuals taking the question of how he will deal with conflict. And one of the markers are people who are scared of confrontation and people who are very agreeable. Somebody who generally tends to agree with everybody around them. It's not because they're a good person. It's usually because they're scared of confrontation. And you're able to see how that's dealt and how that plays out during

Starting point is 00:07:09 conflict. So we have a pretty cool AI questionnaire that sends you back a book within an hour of basically your conflict story and how you're going to deal with it based on your personality. It's pretty cool. Wow. And the AI just compiles that huh? Yeah, it's we put together We basically put together thousands of people who went through conflict asked them hundreds of questions and put together an algorithm That allowed to determine how other people what their personality was and how they dealt with conflict and how it ended up playing out and We ended up finding about ten boxes of personalities and all those individuals personalities generally the conflict plays out a certain way. Like somebody who's very

Starting point is 00:07:50 agreeable is going to end up losing in court, is going to end up losing in arbitration because they're not going to want to deal with the confrontation and every day they go to court they can have crazy anxiety especially if they suffer from neuroticism which is very sensitive to negative emotion so they're not going to be able to deal with their anxiety. Like there's an algorithm to figure out how you're going to deal with your problem in court. And it's predictable. So instead of you spending a million bucks and fighting for two or three years on child

Starting point is 00:08:19 custody like I could tell you what's going to happen if you take this personality assessment because everybody with personality A ended up having their cases look like this. Oh really? Yeah it's pretty cool and we collected thousands of court documents, psychological evaluations. I spent seven years on this putting this together. It's pretty cool. I charge $750 a test right now. Pretty expensive but look it's better than spending millions of hundreds of thousands of dollars by lawyers Which people do without a blink of an eye? Most definitely now I see there's a client provider for a client portal and a provider portal

Starting point is 00:08:54 Tell us about what that is and what it means So that's for all the services that means if you're opening up a case for arbitration So we have a system where we'll get you an arbitrator, which means Somebody who shares our philosophies, which are on our blogs, somebody, so you can know who your judge is gonna be before. You can know if you're having the judge, type of judge, or if you're having, you could basically pick your judge, right?

Starting point is 00:09:18 Again, both sides have to end up agreeing to the personality of the judge they want. Do you want a tough judge? Do you wanna a nice judge? Somebody who's gonna, the judge judges values are available for you? Which no other arbitration firm worldwide offers that you can pick your judge in any other arbitration firm You cannot pick your judge in court, right? We offer will connect you to the judge you want to nail you want a female and again a lot of people sign like

Starting point is 00:09:42 prenuptial agreements by us that when they get in conflict, they will, we will arbitrate it. So they pick before even before the dispute will, we have a client portal and a provider portal, which is our, for our staff members to go. And it's actually in the middle of being updated right now. I used to have it on a different website and it's like, you go onto the website, you open up a case, you put in your username, your password, you'll have all your information. You could buy some books that we put out sometimes, which is case law or previous stories that happened, or let's say this personality assessment test.

Starting point is 00:10:14 You want to go back to it. You want to change some of your answers right now. You're less irritable. You want to know how you're going to act out. You're, you're suffering, you found out now you suffer from depression. You want to put that into the personality test and see how you're going to act out. It's a live AI system in your portal. Wow.

Starting point is 00:10:31 That's pretty amazing. And so people can do that, see where they're at. Can I check on people that maybe I want to find out, say I'm dating someone or thinking about marrying someone, check their personality to see what the propensity is for divorce? Is that possible? No. So you should know, I do get phone calls. I do get phone calls very often. I do get phone calls very often from people saying, Hey, I heard this people mediated their divorce by you or arbitrate. I want to know how they act now. And it's very difficult how to answer because when you're arbitrating a divorce or you're mediating divorce, you see the worst of the person and only the worst of the person only because a you have a person sharing the worst of their spouse to you. That's the matching. They're like, Oh, my wife, she was an amazing wife. I just it's it's so you're hearing the worst and people usually when people trigger you about your worst it's probably true right

Starting point is 00:11:25 because we all have that if i would get divorced what my wife has over me like she could say i opened up to her i told her about my shadows i told her about the monsters that i hired in my deep hearted closet right hoping that so yeah you only hear the worst and the true worst about a person so i don't answer i don answer. I'm not sure if I'm doing the right thing or not, but of course I don't answer ever. I've never answered. First of all, it's not good for business. It would never be good for anything to answer. Nobody would trust the system. But you know what? I'm curious if maybe we're supposed to be putting out reports of somebody really acts out disgusting and tyrannical and fraudster and a pathological liar and a psychopath.

Starting point is 00:12:06 Maybe the public should be warned, but as of now, no, we don't share anything with anybody. Yeah, or at least tell me on Tinder what's going on with whoever I'm asking. It'd be great if you could get those profiles. I can tell you I remember one time, you see a lot of my divorces, not anymore, but in the beginning were from the religious community because this Jewish community doesn't like using the court system. So I already had an advantage. No religion likes using the court system. Catholics, Muslims, they all prohibit going to secular court. So you capture that community and arbitration and mediation much more than any other community. And I had a case where a lady came after she was diagnosed with HIV

Starting point is 00:12:43 positive in a radical religious community. So that means her husband who was some spiritual amazing person was doing not spiritual amazing things. And she came to, she called us, she called us, she's what do I do? I want to get divorced. I don't know what's going to happen. She called them because we have a case management department where we have coaches for people who feel they were abused or something and need to get out of a situation. We told her just confront and have a healthy conversation. Get, go to a therapist, get ready. She was scared he was going to beat her. So she,

Starting point is 00:13:14 we advised her doing it in a public space, go to a restaurant, take it out for dinner and then say it's dessert. Hey, last dinner. This is the last supper. Like it's okay. So that's what she did. And he actually called us that night and said, Hey, I know what I did. Like it's, okay, so that's what she did. And he actually called us that night and said, hey, I know what I did. I know what's going on. Let's just mediate this. Let's just end this.

Starting point is 00:13:30 I don't want my kids to find out. And they started mediating it, but it wasn't, it was like an emergency mediation. They never really work. I got them two mediators, but it wasn't really working. At 12 o'clock at night, the husband decided, you know what, he's going back home. He's gonna think about it for the night. And the woman, of course, didn't want to go back home.

Starting point is 00:13:47 She booked into a hotel. And the next morning I get a phone call from his rabbi, who was like his leader, who says, how dare you just take a couple of divorces. You don't tell them to go work on their marriage. And I couldn't share that he just gave her HIV. That's not what I'm going to go tell this woman to go, but I couldn't share that because they could sue me or they could say it. I'm like, yeah, I guess I'm a bad person. I just hung up the phone. You get to know a lot of stuff when you deal in the position, a lot of people's secrets, a lot of people's monsters, but you can't share them ever to the public. Even if people are judging you and I have people who came out, I've dealt with divorces that

Starting point is 00:14:22 people didn't know about why I gave certain rulings. So they attacked me publicly for my rulings. Wow. Attacked me publicly and I can't defend myself because I'm sharing privilege and information. Yeah. That's wild, dude. Yeah. I got a protest outside my house a few times.

Starting point is 00:14:38 Seriously? Yeah. I ruled on a case one time and I ruled against the guy in that case and he was so upset and he was like one of these Psychopaths and he like was standing outside my house with a sign you took money you took bribery to rule against me. Wow Some people are interesting No, people don't like losing especially in a divorce. You don't want to hear you want to hear your role. Who wants to hear that? Pete Yeah. Yeah. There you go. What got you into this legal end of the business and stuff? Tell us about your life, how you grew up and what influenced you to get into this.

Starting point is 00:15:16 Jai I grew up in an Orthodox Jewish family in New York. I went to schools that studied Jewish law and Jewish law focuses a lot about monetary, commercial business disputes and marriage disputes. That's basically all I learned in school and university. I would say starting at 5 a.m. in the morning, we used to get up to start studying with different partners. I learned, I remember starting when I was in ninth grade, starting 5 a.m. studying interest laws. With my father, every morning he used to come to my school, we used to study together for an hour and a half.

Starting point is 00:16:04 Every morning all the laws about the Jewish theology and philosophy behind interests, like all religions prohibit interests, Christianity, Islam, and Judaism. Why? What's going on? How are you supposed to conduct business if you can't pay interest? What are the alternatives? And commercial disputes, two partners each say that this is theirs, who's believed, what happens when you don't have documentation, testimony, how do you accept

Starting point is 00:16:27 testimony? And I really enjoyed it. I love the philosophy behind it. And when I got married, I went to go intern at other courthouses. I was living then in Israel and Israel has religious courts. I don't know what's going on. I know I'm getting a little emotional. Israel has religious courts. I don't know what's going on. I know I'm getting emotional. Israel has religious courts, right? That decide disputes based on religion. Divorce, when you can get divorced, when you can't.

Starting point is 00:16:57 Child custody based on religion. Abortion laws based on religion. Just like America, court is also influenced by religion. They just hide it from you. They don't tell you and they convince you that it's not, but it is. But Israel proclaims it more. They try to be more also a democracy. They don't want to be like the rest of the Middle East, which only runs their courthouses on religion. Like in Iran,

Starting point is 00:17:19 Sharia law governs all the courthouses. In America and in Canada and in more democratic countries, we make believe religion does it, but it's also really reliant. It's Christianity, it's Islam, it's Judaism. It's those three that inspire our philosophy on law. I love the topic, I love the topic. And the courthouses, I don't think America figured out

Starting point is 00:17:39 how to create religion, how to create the law, I'm sorry. I think they answer the game. You see what type of fights we're having in our country. So we can't say we figured it out yet. Well, law keeps the fabric of society together. It really does. And the system really helps people. It helps you live a life of trust,

Starting point is 00:17:58 of not people taking advantage of you, of predators getting caught from stealing and doing fraud. And based on philosophy, like I see court cases where I see the judges' biases to their philosophy. And I'm like, dude, I don't think you understand it properly. Like you're missing the boat. Do you go after someone for inflating his assets to make it look more valuable to get a loan? That's a philosophical idea. The bank says I didn't lose money, but do you say what's a lesson for further people?

Starting point is 00:18:24 These are real deep philosophical questions and I love using these philosophical theories to help people resolve their conflicts. Definitely. There you go. And so now you're in this business and what made you create this website? Like what was the proponent where you're, there's got to be maybe a better way. So I went through something interesting two, three years ago. So two, three years ago I came up with an idea. Really five years ago, I came up with an

Starting point is 00:18:47 idea that I was watching the judges send cases of child custody to therapists for evaluations. And I went to study the therapist, how they study in school to do evaluations. And I went to ask the judges that I met, that I got to know, that heard of me and what I was doing, that was sending cases to me. I asked them, like, what do they want to see in the evaluation? And it wasn't the same thing.

Starting point is 00:19:18 What the therapists were providing was not what the judges wanted to see. So I tried to open up my own mental health clinic to be able to provide evaluations. It took a while to open up. It's very complicated how to open up a Medicaid government reimbursed clinic. And I opened it up under a first cousin of mine, a friend under his name. He was the investor. He raised the money for me.

Starting point is 00:19:42 We needed to raise a lot of money. We had to buy a property. It was very complicated and we got into a dispute, myself and my partner, and he stole my company from me. Oh no. Yeah, yeah. He stole my clinic from me and it was my fault that I didn't have my documentation in order

Starting point is 00:19:58 because I so trusted him, he was my best friend, he was my cousin. Wow. Sometimes it's those people who come at you. Yeah. Yeah. I learned valuable lessons from this one that you can't trust. Family money and water, oil and family, oil, money and friends, money and family.

Starting point is 00:20:16 Well, yes, this was, so once I saw that I decided, you know what? I'm just going to rebuild it back on one platform and build my referral services to other clinics for now. And I'm in litigation over my clinic, trying to get it back. I'm in litigation right now. I don't know when I'm watching. I'm in arbitration by another set of arbitrators and I'm watching their faces because I know how arbitrators think. And I know if I was them, what I would be thinking and the odds aren't good. My, my family members in possession and the odds aren't good. My family member is in possession and

Starting point is 00:20:46 I don't have documentation. So the odds aren't in my favor, but I think there's a chance that they're going to do enough research and they're going to see that it's my company. But that's what they say. I know the feeling of submitting to arbitration. It's not fun. Yeah. Yeah. Cause you kind of lose control, but yeah, you got to have somebody who's, you got to have somebody who can maybe set things right. So there you go. So- You're trusting a human to... People don't understand this about arbitration or court.

Starting point is 00:21:14 People don't understand that when a judge hears a story, the perspective that the judge is going to base their ruling on is not your story or the other person's story. It's the judge's new version that they just created in their head. And nobody understand that it's not your perspective or the other person's perspective that is going to win. It's whatever is going to go through the judge. You got to know the judge. Part of our AI system we're building right now. You can actually put the judge's name in and it will search all the judge's previous cases and tell you how a judge ruled

Starting point is 00:21:47 Yeah, yeah, I'm almost it's gonna take another six months, but we already got the whole New York. We got the whole New Jersey We got about 30 states of case law that we found that we collected from all the websites online and the judge Under the judges names. It's been a lot of work. We have close to 700 judges right now all their cases It's been a lot of work. We have close to 700 judges right now in all their cases. Oh wow. Judges are going to flip out when they see it. They're going to get very upset, but I'm waiting for a challenge accepted. This stuff should be public knowledge.

Starting point is 00:22:13 I figure out when people go to court. As a kid, I used to sit in court and just watch cases and watch the judge. I got to know. I used to go to courthouse in the room, like I go to a Judge Judy show daily. That's what I used to do on my vacation. I used the bus for my parents vacation days. Yeah, I love it I at 13 years old I stick the bus for my parents house and stopped right outside the courthouse and court is open. It's free I love it was live Judge Judy Yeah, I love from doing that. Don't you I learned everything?

Starting point is 00:22:43 I learned everything just from watching the judge. Nobody could, like people tell me, I'm going to fight like this. I'm like, I saw seven such cases in front of that judge or- Oh yeah. Again, the judges train the next group of judges. So I know, and it's the judges clerks who become the next group of judges also. Once you figure out, there are like 10 personalities of judges. Once you can put them in a box, you can know what they're doing.

Starting point is 00:23:03 Yeah, I put it together. We put it out there together. Wow. That is wild. That is wild. You can break it down like that, but I guess there are personality traits to people and the way they behave. And the FBI, of course, does a makeup of people's MO and personality. It's very hard to find your personality. It's very hard, you based on your personality. That's how you perceive stuff. So you're asking the judge how the judge is going to perceive your story. They're perceiving it based on their sunglasses, which is their persona, which is their personality.

Starting point is 00:23:36 Yeah. That'd be interesting. I love to have this for dating. Is there any way you can incorporate this for dating? Yeah, joke by the way. I'm going to have to fill out their personality thing so I can find out who's the flip outs are. Nope, you're not gonna find out who the flip outs are.

Starting point is 00:23:50 You're gonna find out how compatible you are to the person. Oh, compatible, yeah. You're just as crazy as the person you're dating. That's what I wanna do. I wanna find out how crazy they are. So that's good. Oh yeah, fuck around, find out. What do you guys do? Yeah, you know what? If you live your life like that, yeah, fuck around find out. What do you

Starting point is 00:24:09 That's true, that's true, I know a lot of dudes have ended up that way from living that life that way I think we're eating 67 percent by heterosexual marriages are 67 percent is it sixty four seven percent for first marriage divorce You should know what's crazy. Straight marriages are at 67. Gay marriages, man to man is at 33. Lesbian marriages are at a high 80%.

Starting point is 00:24:36 Not because it doesn't mean anything against women, it's just that women are more sensitive to negative emotions. So women trigger divorces more than men. 90% of divorces are triggered by women. Not by women. The women are at fault. Sometimes the man makes her open up a case, but it's always open by the woman. I can tell you all our cases, 90% are opened up by women or 95%. Yeah. It's good to get that confirmation. You see as high as 95%. Wow. Yeah. I'll tell you the truth. Really. It's almost 99. Why do you think, why do you think that is? Do you have any thoughts on that?

Starting point is 00:25:08 Men don't need to get divorced. Think about it. For thousands and thousands of years, men married three, four women. They never got divorced. They just added another wife. It only started in Jews. We stopped 100 years ago in America. Until three, 400 years ago, people were married two, three wives. In Middle ago, people were married, two, three wives in middle, in middle East, you met fit 14, 13 women. They married the worst woman are the ones who've been thousands of years getting divorced and leaving only women got divorced. Men never got divorced for thousands of years. I would DNA.

Starting point is 00:25:39 It's not even our biology is not even set up to get divorced. We just find another wife, find another girlfriend, go cheat, go having a fear. That's what men think. Women as though I'm oppressed, I can't live with this, I need to be with somebody else. Women don't want to be sleeping around. Men don't want to. It's a different mindset. Men are logical and reasonable. Women live on emotions and their emotions are one. I've seen a lot of men act out very emotional also. Yeah, there's a lot of feminine men now. Any man who operates feminine, I just chalk him up to a woman. Yes, there is a lot of, there's a lot.

Starting point is 00:26:11 I would say, I would say every man has a dose of femininity in them. We all do. We all can, we all can sparse between it, but there is a dominant. So you're either dominantly masculine or dominantly feminine. Chris, if you're dominantly feminine, then you will have a tremendous sensitivity to negative emotion and you will act out in a certain way. You're the divorce master. Usually you'll see it in trauma men who have childhood trauma. So it's funny, in the LGBTQ world, gay men are overly sensitive and you don't find that many divorces.

Starting point is 00:26:42 Yeah, you know what's interesting is you're mentioning the high divorce rate of lesbian couples. They also have the highest domestic violence issues. And men usually don't report domestic violence. So that's a non-issue. If I reported every woman who's ever hit me, punched me, pushed me, or laid hands on me in a way that if I did her, I'd be in jail, I think all my girlfriends would have been in jail and I've had a few so it's funny It's people are like what's the problem in the whole dating and marriage thing of women have his domestic violence might tell you where they're at That's just my joke So as we go out your final thoughts and tell people the pitch on how to reach out to you and find out more about your website

Starting point is 00:27:23 and tell people the pitch on how to reach out to you and find out more about your website. In a nutshell, my website is trying to find all information we needed to help people have tools with conflict resolution, but I need people's help. Our AI system is built by people's questions and answers that are put in. We're not happy with the answers, our AI feels that. We ask, so I would love if people interact with us, if people read our blogs, argue with the stuff we say, we're trying to be controversial. We're trying to change the system. We're trying to have court not be a three year court battle. We want controversy because the system is not okay. People are not resolving conflict.

Starting point is 00:27:58 Okay, I can tell you one story that you're not going to believe in, then I'll prove you it's true. I know a guy who had two wives years ago, two wives, whatever the story, his first wife couldn't have children. She told him to get another wife and they had a child and then she had a child from his first wife. That's what happened. Right.

Starting point is 00:28:15 He had two, and then the two children were not getting along. So he had two wives and the two children were not getting along. And he decided to divorce that second wife. And also the inheritance was not clear what he left over for his child and they ended up fighting that the families till today are killing each other physically and you know about it yeah it's the Jewish community it's the Jewish what the Jewish and Muslim community okay yeah we were brothers years ago we were cousins thousand years ago

Starting point is 00:28:44 we both had a father named Abraham. Abraham had two wives and had two children. And then they're fighting over the land that Abraham promised to his child because everybody's fighting who their child is. And we're killing each other and we're destroying each other and people are dying. We're spending trillions of dollars. And if someone could just figure out how to resolve that conflict, think about it. I know it sounds like a joke, but think about it.

Starting point is 00:29:06 And we don't have tools, enough tools in humanity to resolve. We need arbitrators and mediators. We need presidents getting up and saying, hey, we're going to resolve this. Not how many presidents in the United States have been trying since 1960 to resolve this fight. And I still have family members on both, friends on both sides from friends in Palestine and friends in Israel both died in the last year because of a conflict that we can't over a stupid piece of land that doesn't even make that much money. It's about yay big. I don't know

Starting point is 00:29:35 if you're over there. It's smaller than the whole New York. Yeah. It's like why? Because 4000 years ago someone got in a fight and they couldn't resolve it. I'm a big fan. I want humanity to realize we've got to learn how to resolve conflicts. Everybody, start sharing your opinions. Don't be shy with your opinions. Let's create new opinions that can allow humanity to get along together. We're not getting along. It's terrible.

Starting point is 00:29:59 I know it's fun to bash each side and I love doing it also because that's part of conflict. You have to be proud of your opinion But at the end of the day you create a new opinion that we could all live together with it's not gonna work It's not like I look I'm a Jewish person. I walk in the street in New York City. I'm afraid It's not normal. It's not it's not it's not and I friends I have friends in other communities Oh, so are also afraid they claim they're afraid of people from my community. So let's figure this out Let's get together on a podcast, on a show. Tell me what your beef is.

Starting point is 00:30:27 No beef should be off the table. No free speech to the max. Let's figure out how to resolve this real conflicts out there. Abraham's children are having conflicts. We're all somehow related through there, especially if you're religious. Christianity comes from there. Islam comes from there. Judaism comes from there.

Starting point is 00:30:43 Let's figure out how to solve our dispute for once and for all. Let's go learn to get along if we can people. Let's, I don't want to get along. I want to solve. We came- There you go, solve. Every president try to get us to get along.

Starting point is 00:30:54 I want answers. I want answers. Not, oh, let's get along. You be nice. You give 10 feet of land. You give 50 feet. You give water. You give, let's figure this out.

Starting point is 00:31:03 World peace. Let's set the world up. We spent trillions of dollars on Ukraine, on Russia. We don't even know what the fight is about. Let them get it on the front of the debate. Putin and Zelensky on camera, a presidential debate, and let them debate their answers and let us vote. Let's figure out a system to resolve.

Starting point is 00:31:19 We spent trillions of dollars on conflict a year. It's a waste of our taxpayer money. It's a way of our emotions. We can't grow without it. The world could be the coolest place if we learn how to resolve conflict. There you go. They give us a dot-com one more time as we go out. VADHADINVAHORA.com Right now you can also google hadin.org and you will get the information and yeah that's my website. There you go.

Starting point is 00:31:52 Thank you very much for coming to the show. We really appreciate it. Thank you very much for having me. Thank you and thanks to our audience for tuning in. Go to Goodreads.com, Fortress Christophos, LinkedIn.com, Fortress Christophos, one of the TikTok, you know all those crazy places on the internet. Be good to each other. Stay safe.

Starting point is 00:32:06 We'll see you next time. And that should have us out.

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