The Chris Voss Show - The Chris Voss Show Podcast – Both Sides Now by Colette Tracy

Episode Date: November 15, 2025

Both Sides Now by Colette Tracy https://www.amazon.com/Both-Sides-Now-Colette-Tracy/dp/B09RP7JJ7X How did I get here? This question is far too common for women aged forty and over. You may be living life according to a script - go to school, get a job, get married, have children, etc. You spend decades working to make the lives of others better until you wake up and realize that your life hasn’t been your own. Who are you? What do you do for your own enjoyment? Colette Tracy’s Both Sides Now: Reflections for Women at Midlife invites women to remember and recognize that they are unique individuals not required to conform to images and ideals created for them through advertisements or their mothers’ generations. In it, Tracy hopes to provide women the words and examples needed for them to make room for their own happiness. Through interviews, articles and popular TV shows, Tracy explores: “Comparisonitis” and the difficulty of accepting one’s own beauty “Superwoman” myth or maxim Beauty in “rebuilding and rebirthing” at 40 Both Sides Now doesn’t deny the pain, loss, and hardships that women can find at midlife and beyond. It celebrates the strength, courage, and wisdom gained from a life lived openly and honestly, and how women can call on these attributes to find joy. Colette Tracy’s Both Sides Now illustrates how you can make the second half of your life more joyous than the first!

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Colette M. Tracy is an MBA, Ph.D. She's an author, educator, and consultant whose work focuses on helping women, aging, and self-image through cultural and international lenses. She is passionate about helping individuals and organizations embrace change, purpose, and empowerment at every stage of life. Welcome to the show, Colette. How are you? Oh, thank you, Chris. Happy to be here. I'm very good. Happy to have you as well. Give us your dot-coms. Where can people find you on the interwebs or any social et cetera, et cetera. Yeah, www.

DotTracie.com and that's down at the moment but it's going to be up and running very soon. I'm also on LinkedIn, Facebook, and Instagram. And just starting to get on TikTok.

Get on that TikTok where all the kids are. So tell us a 30,000 overview. What's inside your book? Both sides now. Well, it's really a book about women.

coming upon midlife, anywhere, I would say, over 40, 45, all the way on up. And, you know, today in the U.S., we talk, we're in midlife until we're like 85 or so. So, but it does resonate with a lot of women. And what it's about is really how your life starts to change at this time. And, you know, men feel it too. It's in, you know, a different way. But for women, you start to feel less. visible. Sometimes you start to, you know, your kids, if you have them, maybe leaving home,

leaving a nest. If you're in a relationship, maybe it's a long-term relationship and you might feel out of sync after all of those years of parenting and then, you know, your parents start to age and get sick, friends start to get sick and pass away. So it's, it is a really time for awakening. And historically, it's really been thought of. And the reason I'm wrote the book was because I didn't really find too many positive books on aging, you know, and a lot of the books that were out there were informative, but really didn't give women the idea. So the book is really around the culture of baby boomers, Gen X, even some millennials, and how that shapes the way we think about our lives in the world.

And how these shifts at midlife can be especially hard for women of that era. because of, you know, so many times we're thought of as for women in media, especially to be young and, you know, oh, you know, I'm not traditionally attractive anymore. It's a different kind of thing. But there's also a lot of joy. There's a lot of joy and confidence, wisdom, if you will, that comes at that time that we tend to overlook. You know, the whole thing is about finding purpose, whatever that purpose is for you, and what brings you joy on a record. What brings you joy? You know, I remember a friend told me when I was very young and in my, I think, early 30s, he was much older than I. And he goes, Chris, there's two phases of your life. There's a phase of your life where you're going to go to a lot of weddings. And there's a phase of a life where you're going to go to a lot of funerals.

And you'll know when you cross over to the other faith. And it's really interesting. You know, I'm in my 50s and watching friends disappear. Uh, you know, and they're only in their 50s, too, you know, especially men. We tend to die off twice as much in our 50s as we, we die almost twice as much throughout our lives, but in our 50s, we really start accelerating. Um, and so, and you know, women, as you mentioned, they go through their changes to, uh, there's premenopause, menopause, um, they go through some really big changes.

We go through, you know, reduced testosterone. I, you know, a couple years ago, I had to start going having testosterone. gastroan therapy so yeah it's a lot of fun getting old but that is called andropause it's called endopause yeah is that what it is yeah that's what it's called you know is that for men and women or just men or it's men andrew andrew okay i'm going to i'm learning this is why i do the show i learned something new every day i'm going through andropause can i be mean to people and use this an excuse You can, but I don't know what they're doing.

All right. I just won't pay my bills. I'll tell everybody I have money to that I have, I'm going through andopause right now. I really can't pay those credit card bills right now. But yeah, I see the seven signs of male menopause, andropause. And, you know, I got to tell you, the, you know, getting testosterone's really helped. We counsel a lot of women in the dating groups that we have because I'm single and I have a huge dating group. And, you know, a lot of them are going through menopause,

and it's hard to date on both sides with someone in menopause. And I think I'd heard that middle age was like 38. And because we always, we are, I'm guilty of this too. We all kind of think of middle age as like 60 or something. But most men barely live into their 70s. Well, I think it's part of our culture, you know, U.S. culture. We never want to get old, right? We want to stay solid.

and rugged and it doesn't mean, you know, we get to a certain point, and then it's just midlife. But yeah, you're right. And sometimes facing that, I had a lot of loss about 10 years ago. Well, my dad died 13 years ago. But then my mom passed, my brother passed. It was really, really rough. And so you tend to think a little bit more about your mortality, about, you know, not only do you miss them so much, but you think more about your mortality. at this stage of life, too, because, you know, you're the elders. Yeah. Plus, you're seeing, you know, like you saw your family starts to disappear.

That's what my friend told me. He goes, there's a time when you're going to go to a lot of funerals, and you're going to kind of feel like you're this last man standing survivor, if you are, where all your friends disappear and your family disappears, and you're kind of just sitting around going, is my turn? Is that a car coming around now? So what do you find, you work with a lot of women that are going through these changes. What do you find their number one or maybe top five or top few issues are that they're struggling most with?

What do you usually end up helping most of your clients with? Well, I think it's really, you know, loneliness, changes in the way they feel about themselves, maybe physically or emotionally. But losses are a lot, you know. I've done a lot of, I'm a coach and I've created workshops around my book, and I've had the fortune to be able to do, the good fortune, to be able to do quite a few. And it's a, you know, it's a tender time and it doesn't even matter even when the losses happened.

They're very fresh and they're things that, you know, women want to talk about. You know, and I think sometimes loneliness is kind of an epidemic in our, in our, culture right now anyway so i think that you know in the many ways technology has done so well for us it's kind of brought us to a very isolated feeling but yeah i would think and you know just the changes you know after those 10 years you know they were my parents were sick and and my brother was sick for a long time and it's like and then you know they're gone and you just wake up one day like how did i get here but you know but i want i want to speak positively about this time too because for me over these last 10 years, I've done more in my life than I ever had

really before and ever thought I could. So I think that when we are at this stage, if we have the good fortune to be able to maybe work part-time or new side hustles like the kids do and stuff like that, we can explore a lot of different things that we couldn't when we're younger. And just to entertain some of those ideas that maybe we put away for a long time, it doesn't really have to be necessarily at a sad time. Although I do see a lot of people struggle at this time. I want to inspire them to have hope that as long as you're alive and you keep yourself healthy, there's always a new day. I remember complaining one time about turning 50 and I you know I do a little bit of a drama and you know you know when I tell

stories I try and over you know sometimes overdo it a little bit and uh and so I did some sort of tongue and cheek oh woe is me I'm dead I've hit 50 you know life's over whatever you know I was just being dramatic on Facebook and having some fun and and someone wrote me and very seriously just struck me right between the eyes and they said they said you know chris there's a lot of people that had been in this world that would like to have reached 50 so maybe you should just shut up and be grateful something to that effect and that hit me pretty hard and I went yeah you know what I should just dial it back a little bit I should be happy and like you say any day above grounds a good day but you know there are things honestly that you can do maybe

you know, for those of us that, like I said, have the privilege of being able to do some things outside and getting to work really, really, every day, really, really hard like we did in our 20s or 30s, hopefully we're not necessarily in that situation because I think part of it is just taking the time to really just sit back and take in life. You know, I mean, I sit out, and my husband and I, we have a sunroom, we have our coffee, and we sit there and talk and watch the birds.

When would you do that when you're in your 20s or, 30s, you wouldn't even think of that. So you can take a look at some of those little joys in life and some of the longer ones. I mean, maybe you don't want to make really, really long-term plans, but you can still make plans and then still take one day at a time. Yeah. Take one day at a time. That's just how you kind of have to do it. And, you know, take care of your health, too.

I mean, one of the greatest anxiety was giving up drinking at 50, started taking the right sort of supplements, started worrying about my, gut health, trying to keep, you know, wake up in the morning, get that vitamin D, get that sunshine, get the, what is it, the rhythms, you get the sleep rhythms going, you know what I mean, I forget what they call them, but it's right on the edge of my tongue, too. Sympotic rhythms, it's the ones where you start your rhythm and where you wake up in the morning, you see the sun and it starts your cycle to where you'll eventually fall asleep. Yeah, women, women, you know, I've seen women. really struggle with menopause and sometimes they're not aware of it a lot of women I talk to

I don't know if they're just fully not aware of it or they're denial but I do see a lot of denial about oh no it won't be that bad oh no it it's not happening to me and and I think it really kind of creeps up on women with paramenopause from what I've been seeing and reading about and it's in it just like for us with testosterone it's so important that you recognize it early so that you can get balanced out. And I think it's, I think it's harder for them to balance women chemically, don't they? Because they're very different sometimes in their genetic makeup or their DNA maybe. But I know from, I mean, I don't know, no, but I know from talking to people that, that evidently, I'll put it that way since I'm not a pro on this,

you may be no more than I do. But evidently, it is harder and it takes a little bit longer for them to balance the chemicals. And, you know, and it kind of depends on whether or woman, you know, still has her, her, like sometimes they, they pull stuff out and all that good stuff for the things. But it has a big impact on them. I mean, I've been with, I've been around women who are having hot flashes and stuff like that. And it's, it doesn't seem like a fun thing to experience. No, it isn't, you know. And then, um, the other changes that come along, you know, at this stage of life make it really hard too, but it can have a playoff factor, you know, from what I've researched from my book on depression and, you know, anxiety.

I think a lot of anxiety with it too. So actually, when you look at menopause for women, it's very, very similar to puberty, right? And when you look at this way, with this change, this is going to be your permanent change. It's like you're going to go through menopause, but you're never going to be out. You can be post-menopausal, but you can still be laughing. those hormones. So like you say, you have to supplement exercise helps and such and of course taking your health. And a lot of times women have issues that, you know, with their heart or something last year. I mean, I always had a heart murmur, a bunch of out prolapse since I was 20. And, you know,

didn't, I didn't have, I mean, I had some problems with like chest pains or palpitations or whatever but last year I was very very very fatigued I mean like falling over kind of fatigue like I have a lot of energy and I had to get a stent put in my heart it was there was a lot of 95% blockage so you know and I'm a person who always do do do go go I would say like when in my diet I neglected myself I think it was more of a genetic thing you have to be really, and I got my first colonoscopy. I'm well past the age where I should have got, but I was so afraid because of my family. I know a lot of guys say the same thing, but I, I, my family in history, I was worried about it, but I got it done last Friday, and thank goodness it all came out. But that's another thing I would tell women and men, you know, you want to take care of yourself like you never have before. If you, if you never have, you want to start doing that because you'll need it, you know, and, and, you want to take care of yourself like you never have before. And, you know, and, Those kinds of things are like wake-up calls for you. Yeah.

I wish I'd taken better care of myself when I was younger, and I guess everyone says that. But I wish I had. I've been very lucky with my health and knock on wood, and I hope it stays that way. But, you know, you never know. I mean, you just never know. And but still, I mean, recently I just had to go in for hernia surgery and starting to navigate doctors for the very first time in hospitals and stuff. I've never really had to deal with them most all in my life.

And boy, what a pain in the ass that whole thing is. We've had a lot of doctors on the show. We just had one yesterday. We talked about how bad the health care system has become. But that aside, I mean, taking care of yourself. I mean, I quit drinking during COVID when I turned about, I think it was 50 or 52. And that was, God, that was one of the best things I ever did. I didn't have a drink of problem, but, you know, I just reached the point where three beers and you'd have a hangover, like you drink half a bottle of vodka.

You know, your body's just like, we're not doing this with you anymore. You party for 20 years and you had your good time, but we're not, we're not on board anymore. So if you want to, if you want to drink, we're going to make you have three days of hell, pain, bloating, water rain, you know. I mean, it was just getting out of hand, you know, where I've just put on, I put on some. much water weight when I would drink. My body was overcompensating. And it just wasn't fun anymore. You're just like, okay, so two hours of fun drinking

and partying with friends on Fridays is going to burn into Monday and Tuesday where I'm dragging ass trying to get energy up and lift the plane. I can't lift the plane. And then, you know, giving up the heroin, the cocaine, and the crack

smoking too. That helped. No, I'm just kidding. I figured you were kidding. Yeah. Yeah. So, now on your, a couple questions I had for you, you'd also talk about a positive self-image and self-love, being difficult for women, particularly to Baby Boom and Gen X women. I know self-image is real important in valuation and social status for women because, well, that's their value. And a lot of that's internalized. So talk to us about some of those issues that women experience in their midlife. Yeah. Well, you know, we, and I say especially for baby boomer and gen X women, but it's not any different for millennials or Gen Z now because there's social media. But for our generation, the whole thing was you had to be and do everything. Okay. You had to be, you know, the perfect wife, the perfect mother, the perfect daughter, daughter-in-law, whatever. And your physical appearance had to be. tip top. You had to be able to do everything. If you think of

some of those commercials, you know, like I can bring home the bacon, dry it up in a pan, and never let you forget you're a man. You know, all those kinds of things, you know, I can still remember that jingle and how many years ago was that? So it's like there was this great big push

because feminism had just really gotten started in the 60s, right? And so there was this great big push in the 70s and 80s for women to be it all, have it all, do it all, and, you know, look like they were never breaking a sweat. And if you look at a physical, from a physical perspective, very difficult because, you know,

in our age group, thin, very, very skinny, thin was a big deal. And, you know, the weight, you know, as you get older, and, you know, it's a little easier now because the average weight of women is a little, it's higher. than it was back then, but, you know, if you felt like you were, you know, not looking sexy anymore or you're not, you know, you're not being considered attractive, you feel invisible, you know. It's not so much like you want all the attention. It's just that you feel like, wow, you know, now I'm invisible. Yeah.

And a lot of people feel that way. So self-love is very important and self-care. And, you know, you hear a lot of the young people talking about that. social media. It's a very big deal. But I think that's one thing that's really good. Again, you know, for my generation, that was not something that was really encouraged for women, you know, don't be too full of yourself or, you know, you can't love yourself. You're supposed to love other people. And so I think it's really hard. And that's very ingrained in a lot of women and men, you know, but I'm just saying that it's very ingrained.

that, you know, you should not love yourself. But the whole point of the matter is, you know, if you don't give that to yourself, you know, you can't count on other people. It's great if you get that validation. What we don't really understand is that if it comes from within, it's better because then you don't have to rely on someone else to tell you. You can be telling yourself, but it's unnatural for a lot of women. you know, Gen X or Baby Boom and Millennials and such. I think the only is probably a little different, but yeah. Yeah, you should love yourself and take care of yourself and, you know, you have to come first.

I mean, we've had a lot of caretakers on the show and a lot of caretakers are female and mothers and stuff. And, you know, you have to put the oxygen mask on first before you, before you help other people. And, you know, mothers, the great thing about mothers is, you know, they give so much of themselves. But, you know, sometimes they can grind themselves down. I've watched my mom do it. And there has to be that self-care. There has to be that time for them, you know, to heal and do have their own sort of, you know, mind space as another, you know, where kids aren't screaming, mom, mom, mom, mom, 500 times.

And, you know, what, though, Chris, a lot of terms at this stage, right, maybe 45, 50, this is the time they have that time for themselves and they don't know what to do with it yeah put that emphasis on themselves I don't know in the dating markets that we have I see a lot of women who are raising kids still in the families because of the push of feminism

a lot of women are having families later in life and I've been just shocked at how many I mean I know women that are 52 and they've got four kids that are what I call half cook families they're they're under 10 uh and they're and they're single in the market too and you're just like wow and there's a dearth of them i mean it really has become a thing i thought you know i've been single in my life and i thought when i hit about 40 50 there would be all these single women that would be out there on the marketplace because they you know they shipped

their family out they they spent the first 20 years and you know back when i started dating in my 20s women were having kids in their 20s and doing all that but it's really become a thing and there's there's so many women now that are having that have half cook families in their late 40s their 50s it's pretty interesting and and i said and i look at it and i'm just like you know some of these women they're going to be in the high school line i mean i don't know with their their kids are going to be carrying them through high school or something i don't know uh but yes it's kind of interesting And I can't imagine what they're going through with, you know, what we've talked about with some of these issues of aging and raising kids at the same time, not getting sleep and all that, you know. Yeah.

Well, especially if you're single. Yeah. I mean, if you're not, you know, your energy is not what it was when you were. Oh, yeah. 30, you know. I remember, I remember my friend. My friend, he was 30, he was 35, I think, when he had his first kid. and he didn't have a kid.

He had twins. And I remember he said to me, he looked at me one time when I stayed over at his house because he was out of state and I came to visit him. And he goes, Chris, I remember he just looked at me

with this, I don't know, this soulless look. And he goes, Chris, I know why people have kids and their youth in their 20s now because I don't have the energy for the shit. And he was only 35. Wow.

Yeah. Yeah, I'm 57 and I don't have the energy for children. You know, on a part-time basis. Yeah, I mean, if you had them, I didn't start with kids, so I don't have any grandkids. I'm thinking about renting some, some adopting some children. I need one child who cleans the house and you know who play all my raids on my video games, all the hard stuff. And then I need another child who's a cook. And then another child who's, I forget what the other thing is that I need.

I don't know, just washes the car and does the lawn work and shit. So I need my own little slave team, basically, my work, my workforce. But the CPA says that's not how it works, so whatever. So how do you work with coaching people? Are there packages you have? I think you mentioned you have a workshop. Let's flesh some of that out. Yeah, I do workshops.

and after or during COVID before my book even came out, I created a course and I taught it across the country with a lot of, they're called Ali Asher Life Long Learning Institutes and they have about I think it's 120 colleges. I didn't teach all 120 but I did teach around 17 or 18 of them and that was wonderful. So I mean my price ranges I'm open to what people. people, you know, it's an emotional, let's put it that way, but yeah, I mean, I've done that and I worked as a coach one-on-one, and so, you know. And you help people go through these changes, helped them, I mean, imagine, you know, just like anything, the mental game is the big part of it, right?

It is, you know, it really, really is. I think that, you know, I think sometimes women have things that they want to do still, you know, at this stage of life. And as I say, it doesn't have to be, you know, creating a multi-million dollar business or something. And I think it's really helping them find the courage to find it within themselves to take those steps. You know, I'm not here to convince them per se. It's really got to come from within. So it is a mindset, and it really has to come from within, and you have to meet the person where they're at

and try to work with from there and try to help them find ways to figure out what they want and then to go after it. Oh, well, it's really important. And then on your next book you have coming out, I think we touched on that a little bit, didn't it? Didn't we? Was there anything more you wanted to tease out on that book? You know, it's going to be a book more for,

for my students and more for younger people. But it really can apply to anyone that really wants to make a transition and really get out there again or getting out there for the first time. It's really just some practical advice and steps to take and some of my own experience and what I've been through and what I've learned along the way. So yeah, it's going to be about that. It's been wonderful, Davy, on the show. And definitely, I mean, I counsel a lot of women that are in my dating group, you know, if you start, you know, feeling chemically off, go get help. Same thing with men, you know, testosterone. I mean, one of the weird things we have in our society right now is these incredible amounts of estrogenics.

So we have different parabins and all sorts of chemicals that are in our shampoos, our cleaners, lavender cavendals, are highly toxic. There's all this crap that we have. In fact, it's so bad, the estrogenetics that are in our foods and especially our soaps and cleaners, it's making women have their period at like nine instead of 12, and it's acting eating men's testosterone. One of my biggest problems I had when I first started testosterone therapy was my body had just been an estrogen monster eating all my testosterone all day long. And that's one of the challenges when you're overweight. your body eats all your testosterone and the estrogen does and then you're you know you're you're

all funky and you don't have enough muscle to build muscle so everyone's kind of going through that experiencing it so yeah the more you can more you can check your do a dipstick on your body with the good blood tests and different things like that can really help and then of course the mindset you know you're changing you're changing your life some people who are going through empty nest syndrome. I know a lot of women because their mothers, they love their kids, or some of the kids. Maybe not the teenager so much.

But I joke. But, you know, they're going through that emptiness syndrome. That's a change of life, I think, for a lot of women, too. Yeah, because they build their lives around their kids and their family. And not that that's a bad thing, I'm not putting that down in any way, but the problem is then

they have themselves and their spouse maybe you know like okay so what do we do now and sometimes you know raising kids is difficult and challenging you have to give them everything you've got and maybe you lose a little that relationship with your spouse you certainly can lose a relationship with yourself and a lot of women don't know where to start at that point oh yeah so as we go out give us a final pitch out for people who are up your book and how they can reach out to your services and find out more. Yeah, well, I would, uh, if you would please reach out on LinkedIn for now, that would be great. I've got a lot of followers on LinkedIn, collect Tracy, and you can reach me,

send me a message. Actually, my email, I don't know if I, I don't know if you want to put that on there, but sure. If you want, it's up to you. Yeah. Uh, thank, do I put it up there? Uh, you can, you can just say it out and then, uh, if you want, we'll put on the website for a link. Okay, wonderful. Thank you. It's Colette, C-O-L-E-T-T-E dot Tracy, T-R-A-C-Y at A-T-T-T-N dot net. So people can reach out and, yeah, it's a lot of changes that happen. And it kind of, you know, it's like, like for me with my testosterone, I didn't really notice it. I just kind of noticed I was slowing down. I was trying to work out. I would notice that I didn't have enough energy. And I'm like, oh, I don't have enough energy. yada yada yada and you know it's totally catch it up to you and i remember probably for a year or two i was like i should go get checked on my you know my fluids and make sure the testosterone's working and whatever and i wish i had sooner because it was life-changing for me to go through it it turns out

i was living in a lot of uh what do they call it haze a lot of brain fog oh yeah that's that's something with menopause too yeah low testosterone Ostrone, I guess, low estrogen, too. Yeah, the brain fog. I mean, I was, I, I, I'd reached a point where I was going to bed every night. I'd wake up in the morning, and I literally would be crawling

into bed, and I'd be like, I just woke up and crawl out of this bed 10 minutes ago. Like, what the fuck did I do all day? Like, and there's records of what I do all day, because I do podcasts all day and work and stuff and emails. But I would just sit there and just go,

God, I'm just barely surviving. man I'm just I'm just doing the bay and there's like a hundred things that I wanted to do that were extracurricular you know hey I want to work on this project or something I just wouldn't have time for it I just and I would literally crawl into bed and I'd be like I crawled out of this thing 10 minutes ago like what the what the hell happened today and uh and it was that brain fog did the uh testosterone help that oh boy did it so so I got my the the the shoot the testosterone in your cheeks, your bottom cheeks. And it takes about three days to drift through your system.

And about the third day, it kind of hit you. And so I took my thing, and I woke on a Friday, and I woke up on Monday and did my podcast. And, you know, usually we do the first one around 11 a.m. mountain time. We have two or three a day. And I remember doing my podcast, and I came out of it, and I'm like, okay, man, well, it's halfway through the week. thank God it's halfway through the week and I'm just a Monday on my first show

and then I look at my phone and I'm like why the fuck is it still Monday like what's going on and then I was like okay well I don't know that's kind of interesting and then I went and did my

second show and I came out and I go why is it still this Monday and not this the weekend i thought it was friday i'm like it's friday i get to go home after this and then i'm like wait it's not friday and so then i went and my my dogs wanted to play between the next show and i went and play with them and i remember i was looking at my phone you know going through tic talks and you know just kind of being entertained pet my dogs hanging out with them chilling and i remember thinking okay it's been a half an hour it's time for the show my third

show of the day I got to get on. And I look at my phone and it's been five minutes. I think it's been a half an hour. And I'm like, what the heck is going on? And then so I'm like, well, okay, I'll play with my dogs for a little bit along there. And so then I did that. And then I'm like, okay, now it's been a half an hour. I know it's been a half an hour. So I'm going to get up and do the show. I look at my phone. It's only been five minutes. And then I did my third show and I little on Monday was upset as to why it was not the next Monday. I'm like, what

is going on? And I had like a weak brain fog. Can you believe that? A week. Wow. Yeah, that's tough. And it was great to be on testosterone after that because I would just sit here and I like, okay, well, let's do some stuff

that I wanted to get done. Okay, that's done. How long has that been? Five minutes? What? What? I mean, I could suddenly get stuff done. And I imagine it's the same for women when they get chemically, you know, balanced with menopause and different things like that, you know, or any time of your life, if you're off on your on your fluids, as I call them. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah, especially at adolescence, too.

I had myself a lot of problems. At all the lessons, I had depression. Yeah. And really bad, really bad. And so that was partially, you know, chemical thing, but partially. hormones too you know and I had issues with all of that

with my cycle and everything so they're very related they're very related oh yeah oh yeah so thank you very much for coming the show we really appreciate it thank you and yeah get your fluids check people and get your brain

checked and you know it's really easy in that brain fog to lose years like just lose years I remember feeling that way for the longest time and now time just time just crawls. I like wake up and go, what am I going to do with a whole day?

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