The Chris Voss Show - The Chris Voss Show Podcast – Brad Gosse, Author and Comedian on Building a Successful TikTok, Instagram and Youtube Brand

Episode Date: October 15, 2023

Brad Gosse, Author and Comedian on Building a Successful TikTok, Instagram and Youtube Brand Bradgosse.com Brad is a comedian living in Toronto, Canada. He loves to entertain people whether it be through his jokes or his books. He started publishing his "children's books" in 2019. He has published over 120 dark humor books so far. Here are some high-level summary notes from The Chris Voss Show podcast interview with comedian and author Brad Goss: Brad Goss is an author and comedian who has written over 100 humor books for adults with irreverent, dark comedy styles. His books have provocative titles like "Why Daddy Hits Mommy" and contain controversial content written in rhyming or storybook style. He promotes the books through viral TikTok videos where he reads excerpts, generating outrage that drives book sales. Some books have been banned from TikTok. Goss also does stand-up comedy focused on dark, edgy humor intended to make audiences uncomfortable. He aims to "trigger" people. His background is in business and he stumbled into the books as a way to go viral. He takes a data-driven approach to optimizing content. Goss believes having a "healthy narcissism" and not caring about backlash is key to succeeding in comedy. He remains intentionally "uncancelable" by self-publishing and controlling his creative output. He discussed controversies like books on crystals and religion that unexpectedly triggered certain groups. Goss plans to continue releasing provocative content. Overall the interview covered Goss' unique style of viral humor books and comedy designed to provoke reactions in the modern outrage culture.

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That was half yodel, half opera Wasn't it though? She did such a great job She's like one of those classic people And she's like, this guy's an idiot. What does he want? He wants me to do this. Anyway, guys, we have an amazing guest on the show with us today. He's super popular on Instagram and TikTokity, as we like to call it over here.

He's an author and a comedian, so if you don't laugh during the show, I don't know. You might want to see a psychiatrist there. So there you go. We're going to be talking to him about his infamous books and some of the works that he has done. He's been on the show before. I think this is the second or third time on the show. It's been a number of years, and we decided to have him return again. But in the meantime, as always, we have to do the guilting and shaming of the plugs in every show.

For some reason, the advertisers have to have their way with us. So refer the show to your family, friends, or relatives. Go to goodreads.com, FortressCrispFoss, youtube.com, FortressCrispFoss, linkedin.com, FortressCrispFoss, and ChrisFoss1 on the tickety-tockety, although we're not as cool as my good friend Brad, who's on the show today. But we're trying to be. We're working on it. We're trying to get some of his suave on the social media network there.

Give us five-star reviews on the uh social media network there give us five star reviews on the chris uh vosh show itunes account uh he is an amazing gentleman he's an author he's a funny bone i've known him for uh i don't know 10 or 15 years now he's funny as hell uh and uh we uh have him joining us now on the show brad Goss is a Toronto based comedian and author. Over his career, he's penned more than 100 humor books, which is approximately 100 more books than the average Twitter user has read. Boy,

that's a trend. Isn't it 101 more books? Uh, it's a negative, uh, comedy style. His comedy style leans towards dark, sarcastic, and edgy with the delivery.

So dry. It makes the Sahara look like a water park. Am I doing his stand-up here? Imagine Ron Serling telling jokes and you're pretty much there. On his social media, he has a social media following that surpasses the one million mark. Brad is what you call internet famous, in quotes, which is like being regular famous, but with more trolls. I am doing his bid, aren't I?

Am I copying a stand-up? Is this legal? Is this copyright? I don't want to come up and get punched by... No, it's all written by chat GPT. You're good. He is the mastermind between various projects like the card game identity war and his own merchandise line uh these aren't just side hustles they're side empires well uh it

you know if it makes the side bitches happy then there you go welcome to the show brad how are you i'm fantastic how are you oh i had a line that i forgot to put into the show i was going to introduce you as, he will tickle your bone on the delivery, but they're still there. So there you go. So Brad, give us your dot coms. Where do you want people to find you

on the interweb, which is in the sky? BradGoss.com. That's me. It's that simple. There you go. BradGoss.com. And of course you can see he's killing on Instagram and TikTok.

So Brad, give us like a 30,000 overview of what you do and how you do it in your words. He's like, give me enough words so I can sip my coffee. Exactly. It's a stalling technique. I understand. I understand. I've been a comedian for just over four years. It's a midlife crisis

lane change and it's been good to me. I've always kind of been funny. At least I think I'm funny and a few other people agree. And. I've always kind of been funny. At least I think I'm funny. And a few other people agree. And so I've been doing that for about four years. And it turned out to be, you know, I kind of stumbled into this niche of writing children's books for adults. And here I am, 139 books deep and no sign of stopping. Now, tell us what these books are about.

What's the framing around them? So the idea, and like this started with the dumbest, it was the dumbest thing. I had this clip art company called Vector Tunes years ago. And I made some Facebook ads for Vector Tunes. And the ads were, you can do anything with our clip art, even children's books. And then it was like, Why Daddy Hits Mommy, A Kid's Guide to Understanding Alcoholism. And it was just so crass, right? And you had this successful company for a long time with Vector Tunes.

You were killing it. And you were funny with that. Yeah, yeah. I had a lot of fun with that business. And that was kind of born out of my own need for cartoons for my own marketing and um and the ads that i created they didn't move the needle for the business at all like nobody no it didn't drive a single customer but they all went viral and then i was like okay this i'm on to something different here and you know you kind of got to follow the follow the excitement and so um i made a tiktok video with the same book cover

why dad mommy and i just said all i said was and i just started on tiktok and i was like i'm trying a little comedy on tiktok we'll see what happens and and i said you know my name is brad goss i write books for children but my publisher keeps rejecting them why do you think they rejected and then i showed the cover of this book and it got like a million views. And this was early days on TikTok. And, uh, I started reading the comments, Chris, and they were just out of control. It was like, you know, why can't you read this book to us? Why can't we buy this book? All these questions came up and I thought, okay, you know, I could write this.

It was just the cover. And I was like, I could write this, you know, it's not rocket science. And so I sat down on a Saturday with my iPad and wrote out why daddy hits mommy in the style of dr seuss and um and then i and then i read it on tiktok and they were like why can't you show us the pages i'm like i gotta make this i gotta do this now it's got to be a book and i knew how to self-publish so i thought okay i'll self-publish this on amazon and the next time i do a video i'll show the pictures i'll show the pages and i'll say you could buy it and people started buying this book man and it was just like you know each time i did an iteration of that video i'd get like a million plus views and then i'm like this this is working like this is working and uh and so you know then

the next time i did it i made sure the book was ready to sit, ready to buy before I did the first video. And then, so the second book was don't bathe with uncle Joe, um, setting boundaries with adults and, um, and that one sold. And then, you know, my racist grand, and then it was just like one after the other, after the other. Um, and they're really easy to make. I have a full-time cartoonist who works for me. And so I just kind of give them a list of stuff to draw. And, uh,

you know, it, it's, it's one of those things that I, that I stumbled on, but, um, I've always been one to learn that if you stumble on something and it works,

you know, double down, triple down until it doesn't work anymore. And somehow it's still working. It's still working. It's still working. A hundred plus books in. Yeah. And yeah and uh so they're irreverent they're snarky they're comedy uh it's it's it's interesting because i i follow you as you know

and and make comments on your thing and and there's a lot of people who boy you sure hit their trigger button they don't they do not have a comedy bone no i love that um because you know what i've learned is and you probably know this too with social media you know the people who love you they'll tell you that was funny and you'll reply with thank you and that's the end of your exchange yeah but if somebody says you're grooming children we're gonna have 99 comments deep in that thread and you're gonna drive way more engagement to my videos than the people who love me and all the whole time you think you're just you know arguing with me but you're actually getting me more views and you you know you're making me you know fractions of a cent every time we do that and

it's like you know it's it's like it's just and and i have a thick skin because i come from the internet world i've always been online doing you know and so i've learned to take a lot of abuse and so for me triggering people is like a sport it's like it's like sport hunting and i love triggering people like it just makes me smile from ear to ear when someone hate like they don't understand comedy and they just hate me it's like it's the best feeling in the world when i'm misunderstood there's a lot of that going on the internet. You know, for years, it was like 15 or 16, 17 years we've been on, I think since officially 2006 on YouTube.

And, and for a long time, you know, people, they write those trolling comments or hate comments or they're going back and forth, having some nuclear war or whatever. And you're like, Hey, thanks. You just, you, you, you're insulting me and telling me how stupid and dumb I am, but you're actually getting me paid.

Yeah. Tell me how dumb I am. Cause I pick up, like you said, a penny or two. Yeah. And you know what they say when you say that, right?

They always say, Oh yeah. Enjoy the half a cent that I just made you. And then I always reply with, now, you know, your value. Oh,

Oh, wow. Right. It's just like, so give give us uh give us some of your top titles or favorite titles that you've written so we can tease some of these out to the people i just happen to have a stack right here because i always have them at my desk mom's only fans new beginnings from difficult choices oh oh that's a good one. One of my favorites is Race Wars. Mom and Dad Swinger Party. This is the one that got me death threats.

Wow. Actual death threats. And one of my newest books is called I Love Corn. And you have the artistry there. You have the Dr. Seuss-like pictures. Uh, you have the, uh, uh, Dr. Seuss like pictures and then you put the spin on the words, uh, and, uh, yeah, it's, it's just brilliant what you do and they're funny. They're simple. Like, you know, you're not writing war and

fucking peace over there. No, no. All 139 books don't even come close to the word count of war and peace. Like they don't come close to the word count of any of your paperbacks. You know what I mean? It's just like they're you know they're 50 word books you know 60 word books i feel like an idiot why did i write my whole book all those all those words i

was like hey you gotta go over a certain word count they're like uh you're like yeah and uh and so you you go on uh what's that uh what's that random site that you go on where you randomly meet people on the internet? It's called Omegle. It's like a chat roulette of video. It's like Zoom for strangers, right? You just double click escape and you have a new stranger every time. And it's where I polish and practice my crowd work. There you go.

And it's funny, polish and practice my crowd work. There you go. And it's funny. You become internet famous. Like, you'll be sitting there just doing videos, either live or whatever, on your TikTok. And these people know you. They'll be like, hey, it's the guy. It's the guy. It's the guy. It's the guy.

It's the children's book guy. Yeah, they call people over and stuff. I get stopped in the airport. I love it. I love it. And then you give dad advice, too. I think that's pretty funny. I like the dad advice.

I love giving dad advice. Yeah. I feel like it naturally fits in with reading you stories, right? It's like we're getting a bedtime story, and then you get a couple years older, and now you're going to get dad advice wow there you go uh these books are killing it they're funny as hell you do have to have some comedy um the uh and now you've you've kind of stepped into over the last few years i've been watching you uh into doing stand-up comedy yeah and how's that working out horrible it's um it's you know it's a lot easier i like to say i'm a stay-at-home comedian because like it's a lot easier here in my basement where i kind of

control the environment you know i can if things aren't going well i can just you know delete the video or whatever but um you know i i've been uh, I'm doing a lot of standup. Um, I love it. Audiences are mixed. Um, you know, sometimes they love it. I, because I go dark, right. I tell a lot of dark jokes and, you know, like I joke about things that people don't, there are not sure if they are allowed to laugh about.

And so they all kind of look at each other and that while they're looking at each other, they go, Oh, you know, cause they don't know. And I, and so just Oh, you know, cause they don't know. And I, and so just like I like triggering people, I actually don't mind being up on a stage and listening to the entire audience just grow. And so, you know,

whenever the punchline of a, of a joke is either, you know, about homeless people or George Floyd, I'm going to get groans. Yeah. It's hard now in comedy. I mean,

a lot of, a lot of, uh, you know, Bill Maher and everybody, they, they talk about a lot of a lot of uh you know bill maher and everybody they they talk about how hard comedy is now where you know so much wokeness and people just don't have a funny bone anymore you know i'm okay with it i'm happy to trigger i'm i really am like i it sounds silly to say it but i really am happy like i've watched back my tapes you know where

where i'm doing it in front of a crowd and I hear those groans and I post, and I post them on social media and people are like, Oh, you bombed. I'm like, I didn't bomb. You know what bombing is? Bombing is when they're silent. That's bombing. Yeah. That's if I make them laugh a little bit or grown a little bit,

that's not bombing to me. That's like, Hey, I got a reaction. I made you, I made you uncomfortable. And even if that joke made you uncomfortable, the next one's going to make you laugh because you need to, now you need to feel better. You've got to find that you, you hit the bottom and you got to come back up again.

Yeah. You know, the greatest comedians, uh, are the ones who can, who can die on stage and then kill with it. Like, uh, you know, some of my greatest, uh, funniest comedians, I'm thinking of the one that passed away recently. That was a Canadian one who used to do

SNL's Norm Macdonald. Norm Macdonald, he goes on Conan and just fucking reads the paper. People are going, this is the driest shit ever. What is going on? And he just does that. And then for folks on YouTube, we want to encourage people to go watch

us on YouTube. If you're listening to the audio on this which most people consume uh you've got to see brad's background you got a hell of a collection back there what are some of your favorite pieces back in your collection it engages the children which uh you know i love to do um it's a comic book collection and then there's some coins back there um but my my favorites are there's a couple comics and it's right off my left shoulder here there's some coins back there um but my my favorites are there's a couple comics and it's right off my left shoulder here there's one there called murder clowns that's mine and i actually i published my own comic and i got them graded and that was like the most fun thing really um yeah yeah so i kind of like looking at like because i'm a narcissist i love looking at

my own shit uh i mean stuff am i allowed to. Okay. Yeah, I like looking at my own shit. So, you know, my favorite pieces are my own pieces. Yeah. Well, I mean, they should be. I mean, you should love your work. But you've got all sorts of collectibles. I see an Action Comics back in there. One of those first, like Superman or Spider-Man or something. I can't make up the thing.

But I'm sure the kids love that too. That's a draw. The background. It, um, when I'm doing those Omegle videos or you're just discovering me for the first time, the background will keep you long enough through, through a premise to sort of, you know, make you like, okay, okay. This guy's funny. So it's like just interesting enough. And my favorite is, you know, every once in a while I'll do, I'll do an omegle with a kid and like some you know teenage guy and he'll be like that's a green screen okay go go pick up the superman or whatever and then i go pick it up and he's like whoa you know like the internet's something else but tiktok that that place is something else uh it's it's crazy

over there i keep i need to sign up as one of those, uh, vendors or whatever to sell shit like my book or something. Um, but it's, it's hard to stick out now. It's gotten so huge and stuff, but you're just,

you're just killing it, eating up over there. What, what is some advice that you can give people that either want to start their own business? Cause I know you've started a lot of companies or, uh, to, to be more successful in tick tock to people that are out there or social media for

that matter uh nip slips are the best thing to do yeah you need to make make sure your nipple slips out every now and then and yeah you'll go viral um uh you know what it really is it's a numbers game i you know i i talked to so many comics who and business owners too who are like oh how do i you know how do i kill it on tiktok i know i know i've you know i've got a way and i'm just like okay how many videos do you have and they'll be like well i have nine videos on my tiktok account and i'm like okay you need 991 more videos and they'll just look at me like i'm an idiot i have over 4 000 videos videos on my TikTok account. Wow. And so I literally shit out content and I, and I, and I do the same stuff multiple times.

You know, um, people don't realize that it is a, it is a game of like, sometimes the same thing won't go viral. It'll go viral the second time or the third time. And you're like, why did that? Like, I've had books, Chris, that're like why did it like i've had books chris that are like three years old that i've read four times on tiktok and then the fifth time i read it it becomes a bestseller wow so it really is just like a numbers game you have to do it as many times as you can possibly you know manage uh and for me that's a a lot because I just know that content diarrhea is the key.

Content diarrhea. This is the title of your new book. It's the title of my business book. Your marketing book, your business book, yeah. That's my keynote speech that I'm going to do. We've had people on the show that are, you know, they've used the F word. They've used the S word on the they've you know they've used the s word on the title of their book i mean there's been some that i'm like are you sure random you

know the pig publishing house published this is what's so published and uh i mean there's one guy who's got like a whole series of the f words uh and stuff in him and i'm like i'm using the f words because i think we use our allotted youtubes where we're done as long as it's within the first as long as it's not in the first two minutes, I think. Is that what it is? It's the first two minutes? Yeah. Okay, there you go.

First 30 seconds is hot, and then the first two minutes, and then after that, you're pretty good. Dude, I got so screwed by that because for like 10 or 13 years, we swore it up on the show. Yeah. And then one day they decide, hey, we're YouTube, and we just joined the Mormons, and we don't swear anymore. And I was like, what the fuck? They're like, yeah, all that old content? they decide hey we're youtube and we just joined the mormons and we don't swear anymore and i was like what the fuck they're like yeah all that old content yeah that's all screwed and you're just like thanks for helping us build the company yeah thanks yeah billion dollar company now um so uh what's the future hold for you what do you any plans of the future you're just going to keep making new books and pissing off more people um i i yeah um basically um i'm you know one of the things i started doing this

year uh over and above stand-up is um i started creating fake products that don't exist and uh i went really viral with a product called baby muteute. And it was basically, I used AI, which is unbelievable. Like AI, if you're a comedian, you're not using AI, you're an idiot. It's like, you know, I was able to create this. I had this idea for like a mask that a baby would wear so that it would silence their cries. You know, so they could still cry, but you wouldn't have to listen to it. And so I used ai to create this image of this baby that looked kind of scared and it had this mask over its face and

i bought babymute.com and i used i used chat gpt to write the copy i told chat gpt i'm like hey i got this product it's called baby mute it muzzles your your your baby's cries on long flights and movie nights here's what I want to do. And it wrote sales copy for me. You know, it did like long form sales copy. I dragged a bunch of images in and I made this like really basic one page website. And within a week, it went viral on Reddit, viral on all social media platforms. And I put a phone number.

I put a Skype number at the bottom of that website for the first like four weeks and chris the so i launched it on a tuesday and on friday morning every radio station in america was calling me oh yeah and they were just like you know hi is this baby butte and i was like yes you know and they're like well tell us how it works and i would say science you know and i just i would just have these like stupid one word answers and they would they loved it and they just you know they hand it up and then they'd be like okay really is this brad goss the comedian i'm like yeah they're like oh we got so many questions for you brad thanks for joining us and and it went so viral that i was able to like

leverage it into a blue check mark and all these other cool things that are really you know like vanity things that people want you know on social media and um uh you know i got vanity things that people want, you know, on social media. And, um, uh, you know, I got a lot of good news coverage from doing that. And my publicist fired me that day. She was like, she was like, this is, this is, um, not the kind of a client that I want to work with. And she fired me. And it was funny because we had just started working together. She had to return my money cause I gave her a retainer, but she was disgusted cause she

was a new mom. And of course, you know, the, you cannot, you cannot even pretend to abuse babies when you're talking about new moms. Right. They're just like, Nope, Nope, Nope. So, you know, she's like, this is not a good direction for your career. And I'm like, you're saying that, but I'm going 10 X on this. Like I'm going to do this way more.

So this is where we part ways. We're cool. You know, thanks for my money. Um, you know, and, and it,

so that's kind of been a thing for me. It's like, so I've done some other fake products. Like I did one called toddler shred, which is basically like your baby's fat and, you know, needs, needs to,

you know, here's, here's some protein powder for your fat baby. Um, you know, I did, um, you know,

just a bunch, just a bunch of random product ideas that that were you know things that don't exist um and that's kind of done well and then um i'm doing i did a card game this year uh with another comedian jay rainville it's called identity war and the object of it's it's the most anti-woke game you've ever seen the identity the object of the game is to collect protected groups and become three protected groups. So you could win by being a gay disabled woman or you,

or you could win by being, you know, you know, trans Muslim indigenous. And so, you know, and, and the artwork in the game is in my style where it's just like really,

really, you know, not appropriate. And the game is in my style where it's just like really really you know not appropriate um and and that's done really well we did a kickstarter for that it and it tipped the campaign and did some good numbers and we've been able to sell a lot of copies of that um and then uh i'm also working on some so i have this we did a pilot for it. It didn't do as well as I hoped it would do, but I'm not stopping. For like a children's style adult show called Brad's Apartment,

where basically, you know, it's like a cross between Mr. Rogers' Neighborhood and Sesame Street, but it's for grown-ups, you know. So like, imagine, you know, arts and crafts time where we teach you how to put a condom on a banana or that kind of a thing, you know. Are you going to do the whole sweater switcheroo with the slippers? No, no, no, no, no. I don't want to go. I don't want to imitate it. I want to, it's,

it's inspired by, but not a parody of. So the idea is just to have like this in this format, like I have, um, I have these cartoon characters that I created, like Becky the Throat Goat. And so Becky the Throat Goat, right off the mic, I could show her to you, but I spent like two grand on a Hollywood puppeteer to make a Becky the Throat Goat puppet. And so she's this slutty goat that's in love with me. And then I have a Cucumber Curtis, is sad at the grocery store because nobody's picking them. And then he winds up inside your mom. Um, and then I have a clip clop, the racist horse.

Um, and he's like a former police officer and he's racist. And so he kind of, you know, it's, it's just, you know, it's ridiculous. Um, and, and, um, I'm hoping to do more with that. And it's comedy, but you're going to play yourself in real life and then you'll have the puppets like like yeah i'm i'm just me i'm brad so you're there on you're there on sesame street it's just me you know the i'm the adult in every one of those shows there's puppets and then there's an adult and i'm the adult but i'm but the idea is like you know like the pilot that we did is basically like oh the you know the the supervised visitation monitor is coming and we need to clean this place up before she gets here.

You know, that kind of thing. Like I'm, I'm this like bad father who's like trying to get his kids back. And, but you know, but it never happens because him and the puppets are just so such degenerates.

You know, I, I watched, uh, when Eddie, Eddie Murphy did Mr. Robinson live. And, uh, I, I watched, uh, when Eddie, Eddie Murphy did Mr. Robinson live. And,

uh, I, I caught the, I missed the first season of, uh, SNL, but I caught it after I caught it at the tail end and watched all that shit go down live. And I remember seeing that for the first time and I was on the ground and I couldn't fucking breathe.

Cause I had never known that i had always wanted to see a parody of mr miss uh what was the name mr rogers mr rogers i wanted to see that too that's absolutely what inspired my favorite movie i don't know if you've seen it is called death to smoochie uh i think i have haven't robin williams ed norton danny devito it's one of the best dark comedies ever made. And it's about a failed children's entertainer. I'm not sure if I have. Highly recommend it.

That and Two Girls, One Cup are the absolute best movies you'll ever see. There you go. You know, people, we live in an age where comedy is so hard. And people just don't get it. There's all this woke and triggering and victim. We live in a victimhood competition culture. We talk a lot about that on the show with a lot of authors that come on now. And comedy is just, it's so important from a human aspect to look at who we are and our behavior.

And it's such a great vehicle to look at ourselves. But Jesus, we kill comedy look at ourselves, but Jesus, we kill comedy. You know, I mean, this, this world's going to get pretty dark. Um,

you, you, you touched on how, you know, you've dealt with some stuff with like PR agents and I'm sure you've been fighting, you've had to fight with Tik TOK and YouTube for your videos, probably Amazon too,

to publish some of your books. Tell us what that's like. How do you overcome that? Or how do you, how do you deal with that? When you know, with that when you're trying to be censored? You just have to learn what you can and can't get away with. And I've learned, and I want to kind of touch on that because I feel like there is that sort of competitive victim mentality that you talk about. And it's like they're professional victims and they need to dump their trauma and they need to tell you their thing right and and what i've learned is everybody has a thing and they're like they all say the same thing you all you were you know

i've been following you for two years and you're hilarious but today you crossed the line and i'm like today like today like my first book was a man beating his wife. I crossed the line. Like, are you sure about this? You know? And they're like, yeah, you made fun of crystal women, you know? And I'm like, what? You're a misogynist. And I'm, I can't, you know, this is where we part ways.

Now you're a misogynist. Like bye loser. Um, and I really think if, if you're going to be a comedian, you can't care. You have to not care about when you lose that fan. And I actually put it in my bios i say you know uh you know eventually i'll offend you but we can still be friends you know and it's kind of a thing because i know that's going to happen i know you're i know at some point you're going to tell me i've crossed the line and um to me there is no line that's it's an invisible line that everybody has a different place for. So I really think that you've got to learn TikTok is the hardest.

So TikTok is, when you think about the snowflake mentality of, I'm easily offended by this and I don't want to see it. I need to rid the world of this thing that upsets me. That's TikTok. You're not allowed to talk about racism on TikTok. It'sok tiktok you're not allowed to talk about racism on tiktok it's hate speech if you're white and you talk about racism you're a racist um so if i you know i have a racist horse he's banned from tiktok like he's not allowed on tiktok i have a i have a book called my racist dog banned from tiktok my racist grand i'm talking about racist

people in a negative way yeah but but they're banned because they because the stories contain racism and even though that like even though it gets to a place in the end where the the that person is bad or that thing is you know clip-clop the racist horse cop gets fired at the end of the book doesn't doesn't matter because halfway through the book he tramples a black person so you know there's kind of this mentality that you can't even talk about these things anymore and that's only on tiktok so instagram i've never i've never had a community guidelines violation on instagram the only time i get community guidelines actually it's not true i've gotten them on instagram but they've only been for comments so i've learned not to respond

like if i if i respond to a comment on instagram i I'll get it taken down. But if I just make a video, it's never come down. Yeah. Um, YouTube, same thing. Um, Twitter,

same thing, but tick tock. Um, I, I, I am right on the line with tick tock. So I've learned you can have three violations in 90 days. And if you have four,

you'll be banned. And so what I do is I take breaks, right? If I hit that magic, I will appeal every violation. And I'm pretty good at learning what I can and can't do. So lately, I haven't really had that many. But if I get one and I appeal it and it doesn't win, that's fine. I keep going. And if I get two and I appeal it and it doesn't win, that's fine.

I keep going. But if I get three, I put them in my calendar and I'm like, okay, I've had three in the last, you know, whatever days, uh, I I'm not going to post for another 20 days or I'll post the most tame ass content or repost old stuff that I know I'm going to get away with until that 90 day period is over and I can kind of reset and start again and then they're fine. Right. It's just like, you know, so understanding how this stuff works allows you to kind of reset and start again and then they're fine right it's just like you know so understanding

how this stuff works allows you to kind of play within the boundaries of each platform but tiktok has the most the most people get the most offended there and they and they report the most stuff there because they know they can and when you talk about things like cancel culture it's a real thing there are facebook groups of karen's who gang up on you at the same time and, and go report the same video in the same hour so that TikTok will take it down. And then I appeal it and it goes back up. Yeah. So I was going to say that there seems to be these, these bands of people that go around

and shut you down. I've seen a lot of. Absolutely. The amount of, and, and, and message to those people. I, you know, I'm so grateful that you give me so much of your time because I can't imagine giving 1% of any hour of the day to anything that I don't like.

Like if I don't like something, I just keep scrolling, man. Like I got no time for stuff I don't like. And the last thing I would do is put energy and effort into trying to remove something from the, the fire hose of content that's out there that I don't like. Because somebody must like it. So whatever.

You know what? Put whatever you want up. Yeah. You know, and it's funny what you hit. There's so many different things you've written about and so many controversial stuff you can choose from. Recently, you wrote that book. You alluded to it. Mom's Crystals Won't Save Your Pop Pop.

And you're just basically, I mean, my understanding is I read the book clearly. I guess I should have. I have the audio book. It's 30 seconds long. The audio book's 30 seconds. Oh yeah. Why did that, I listen to it when I'm peeing.

Why did that book what i listened to when i'm peeing uh why did that book uh hit uh some nerves i was surprised that it did to be honest you know every once in a while i write a book and i'm like this one's tame this one's not going to ruffle any feathers it's just funny to me and maybe some other people will find it funny and i and and the idea the the concept behind the book is it's it's this woman that into woo-woo crystals. And her dad's dying of cancer. And she thinks that rose quartz is going to cure it. And of course, the doctors are like, no, no, he needs chemo. And she's like, amethyst.

And it's just like, wow. And I really thought nobody was going to attack me over this book. Chris, this book, I've been called misogynist. I've been called a woman hater. I've been called, people are like like and here's the funny thing because tiktok i have a book called religion uh controlling people with mythical fear and tiktok banned that book because it's anti-religious yeah so then a lot of people are like you don't have the balls to do the same thing about jesus and i'm like actually i have that book it's just been banned by tiktok and they're like what you know so people people have called it like you know um and like like racist or or

misogynist or anti you know anti-religious like they're like crystals as a religion but my favorite are that it's always men right who say well that you know clearly you hate women because only women like crystals and i'm like well that's a sexist comment because i'm sure there's men that think crystals are healing too like you know so but i didn't really expect controversy over that book and then i got it right so sometimes i write books with like and with a low expectation of triggering and then they trigger i'm just like this is the world we live in that like why daddy hits mommy has less anger than the crystal bitch book and it's just like you know for some reason um you know you hit these nerves with people and they just get so agitated and then and the funny thing is when someone's agitated their expectation is for you

to get on your knees and beg for forgiveness yeah it's really when you and when you don't they lose their minds they're just what what do you mean you're not apologizing? Because that's what they're expecting. They're expecting because I, you know, I kind of consider myself, not that this is the right thing to say, but I kind of consider myself uncancellable because I don't have a job. I don't work for a TV network. That's true, yeah. I don't have an agent. I self-publish my books.

I self-publish my videos. I self-publish my videos. Everything's vertically integrated. There's nobody in between. You can't call up some network and have me fired. You've had people probably try to do that. Yeah. It's funny. When I used to have a company, I was listed on the website,

and I think they just thought I was an employee of the company. So they would call the VectorTunes tunes number and I would answer the phone. And then they would be like, do you know that your employee, Brad Goss is a, is a misogynist and he's making hateful videos on Tik TOK and he is ruining the reputation of your company. And then I'm like,

well, it's me, it's Brad. Oh, and then they're like, well, let me talk to your boss. I'm like,

well, I'm the owner of the company. What can we talk about? You know? And then they hang up because they're so they're like, let me talk to your boss i'm like well i'm the owner of the company what can we talk about you know and then they hang up because they're so they're like oh you know i i needed somebody to fire this guy today and it's not happening so i'm going to go somewhere else and try and get them canceled you know what just struck me is those those simps those men that are hitting you and or just anybody really who are trying to troll you and abuse you and, and trying to cancel culture you, that's bullying. And these are the people who use the against bullying, you know, they're running around

going, we shouldn't bully. Yeah. But they're, they're the ones doing the bullying. They're the biggest bullies. Isn't that interesting? That just, that just clicked in my head. Yeah, they are. They're, they're the biggest bullies because

they literally gang up on you to try and make you lose your job. And to them, that is totally justifiable. Like imagine thinking somebody said some words that we have, this incel sim culture, is something that I'm just fighting against, as you know. But to see them, their only strategy to be able to get women is to be able to try and stand up for just stupid stuff. Oh, you're going to offend women. We're going to offend them. And women don't care about those guys. That doesn't work by the way. Yeah, that does not work. So it's just like, they think it's going to

help their profile, but it does not. No, no women are coming knocking because you're standing up for them in a comment section on TikTok. Is there, yeah. Has that ever been a thing? Is there like, has there any been, maybe you should do like a parody of that where you should

have people sit down, you you know how they used to sit down and do those like it wasn't Harry Met Sally and they had the side I forget what

they call it but the side bit where they had the old couples like how did you meet and fall in love

and they're like oh we saw each other at Times Square one day you know maybe we should have that

like a parody thing where you're like how did you guys meet oh he stood up for me in a comment and I was like

what a great simp and I married him, what a great simp. And I married him. You know? I have a book called Daddy's a Simp, Don't Expect Much Inheritance. Yeah, there you go. Right. There you go.

But yeah, it's, it's really interesting, but this is why we need comedy more than ever. I mean, this is why it's so important because we need to laugh. We need to look at things. We were talking about this yesterday on the show about great comedians who can take and look at all the sides of something uh that's

maybe controversial what we see is controversial and be able to frame it so that we can go hey you know both sides are kind of stupid and weird and why do we do that and it's all hypocritical and we're all kind of full of shit and maybe we should grow the fuck up one thing i was going to say too is do you ever have people that come back to you that you offend? We talked about how there's that moment that you finally cross the final bridge with them. One thing I would find on TikTok is I would find people talking about me on TikTok with each other. And they'd be like, yeah, that fucking Chris Voss, he said that one fucking thing. And I hate that dude.

Yeah, he's a real garbage person. You see the whole back and forth on TikTok in public. and what's funny is they'd always say the same thing they always be like yeah but i still follow him why why do you still follow him because i want to see the car crash i want to see when he hits yeah i can't wait to see what he's going to say now yeah it's the howard stern effect right and you're like you're still watching me and i've had people convert you've had people come back to me and go hey i finally got it i finally got you i finally got over it let's be friends again and uh so i imagine there's a whole host of people that you have that you know maybe there's this they don't they won't tell me i've never had anybody zero percent nobody has ever said to me oh i'm back um they may

silently follow me back but um and but i do i have read those on like i have a lot of negative comments about me on reddit and and a lot of people will say that kind of stuff where they're like well i just continue to follow him because he's such an arrogant prick that i just i i can't wait to see what he's going to say next and i'm like and you know they're secretly laughing at some of the stuff they just can't give you up no they can't yeah they can't give it up they. They just can't give you up. No, they can't. Yeah. They can't give it up. They can't. They just can't quit you.

And I love that. I love that. I want to be unquittable. There you go. It's funny how that works. I mean, I just found one of my ex-partners, my ex-business partner from, geez, we were friends when I was 13 and we had a company for 13 years. His ex, his wife now, she was a girlfriend at the time,

we were in our companies, is still stalking me. I found her making comments on the, she's blocked on Facebook, but I found her making comments on the Facebook. And I'm like, 40 fucking years and you're, what? Yeah. Get over me. Apparently she never wanted your partner. Oh, wow, dude.

That's a bad image to have in my head. It was all about you, Chris. It was all about you. Yeah. She was one of those people I'd never date. There's none of the booze and drugs and alcohol and, I don't know, crack cocaine and fentanyl in the world. That's where we're different. I'd bang just about anything.

Well, you know, aren't you married now again? Yeah. Yeah. Well, see, married guys. Some married joke people. So what haven't we touched on, Brad, that you do and we can promote for you before we go out? What haven't we touched on?

We've touched on a lot of things. You do in your books, evidently. Or in comedy. You know what I was going to suggest is since you piss everybody off with the crystals, maybe you should go on a crappy career run. Like, have you done one on MLMs? That'll piss some people off. I haven't, but that. You should.

It could work. I feel like it's one of those things that gets attacked a little too much. So I find like, you know, if everybody's piling on like it's one of those things that gets attacked a little too much. So I find like, you know, if everybody's piling on, it's not for me. But you know, maybe ayahuasca,

but maybe it's like that. That's the whole thing where you, you know, you go to Peru and you get some poor people to make you high so that you can find yourself and go back to your first world problems. I think that's probably something that could be touched on. I actually have a book out, a book coming out in a couple of weeks called Girl Math.

I don't know if you know about that trend. Oh, wait, is this the same as the whole math guy on TikTok? I don't think so. There's a, oh, maybe there's Girl Math, which is, which is the idea that if you buy something and you return it, it's like making money. Yeah. Right. uh and you and you return it it's like making money yeah right and so you you you just made money by returning something or or or if you uh if if you you know if if you buy something for 50

bucks but you get free shipping at 100 but shipping is five dollars you spend a hundred dollars to save money yeah i've seen the tiktok people do i've had girlfriends do that to me too back in the day they'd be like yeah i 30% off and then I returned it. So I have 30% more to spend. And if I go someplace and I get 50% now, I have 80% off to spend. Yeah. And you're like,

that's not, that's not the way it works. That's not how that works. But what was the idea I just had for you? It wasn't MLMs. Oh, you should do one on the ketamine stuff. Have you done one on ketamine?

It's getting really popular. I just, there's some local places that popped up here that do ketamine therapy. And I know Elon Musk was, yeah, it's like getting huge here in America. Uh, and, uh, Elon Musk evidently is a ketamine cowboy, they call him.

Really? Yeah. I've never tried the vitamin K. Actually, I shouldn't say that. I think I did once, but I didn't like it. Um. You don't remember probably. Uh-huh.

Yeah. It was, it was, I think I took too much. I used to, the bodybuilders, the male, the male bodybuilder models for my modeling agency used to take special K and they would, they would go shoot each other up with testosterone in the buttocks, in the, in the bathrooms. And I'm like, why do you tell people that you

do that? What's the ketamine for, for why would you take it for bodybuilding? I don't get it. I think it has, it's, they used to call it special K. So I number what's the ketamine for for why would you take it for bodybuilding i don't get it i think it has it's they used to call it special k so i think it's the same thing special and uh i don't know vitamin k but it was yeah it's just part of the horse tranquilizer cocktail they were taking and i never knew why but they would always come out with their shirts off and be all excited about everything they did in the bathroom and just like you're

shooting each other in the butt maybe you should do a book on that. I would love to do one on testosterone because there's a lot of dudes taking testosterone right now. I feel like that's something worth making fun of. Yeah, there's a liver king guy who had the whole conundrum. Have you seen that one guy that he's really young and he's getting some shit right now because he's kind of new on TikTok? He's taking so much he can barely freaking breathe. Oh. And people are kind of throwing shit. They're dude you're gonna kill yourself it's great like

where does it even come if you're taking testosterone are they synthesizing that or are they taking it from like horses and stuff like where is it coming i don't know i don't know i i'm kind of having i'm reaching that point where i'm going to make a decision on the problem with testosterone is once you start you can't stop it makes you, but it makes you aggressive. Like I have a buddy that does it. Yeah. And, and, and he like, he's, you know, at first couple of weeks he was swearing by it, but he kept telling me I had these aggressive thoughts and like fast forward a couple of

years later and he's like, I fought a dude on the plane. And I'm like, what? It's just like, you know, I'm on the no fly list. He got up from his seat too early and I told him we're going to scrap. And you know, I'm like, what do you do? What do you, what, what? Like you're a grown man. You're picking fights in the airport.

Oh dude. When I had my modeling agency, my girls would date the male models and they would have Roy. And every now and then not all guys get it, but some guys get Roy rage really bad. And that's why I worry. Cause I'm already aggressive enough as it is. Um, and an asshole. So, uh, narcissistic tendencies. So I think I'd have a problem with it.

But yeah, the roid rage is like so out of fucking control. I love narcissistic tendencies, by the way. I feel like it's one of those things that's like everybody diagnoses us as narcissists, like men in general. Women, nobody ever says my ex-girlfriend is a narcissist, but everybody says my ex-boy ever says my ex-girlfriend is a narcissist but everybody says my ex-boyfriend my ex-husband is a narcissist and it's like everybody's a mental health expert these days but i feel like there's a healthy like there's there's like a healthy amount of narcissism required for you to be good at your game right it's like you kind of got to be like you know i'm 100 honest. I'm full of myself.

I think I'm awesome. Right. And I really don't like, but I also do have empathy for some, but I feel like it's okay to be that way. If you're cool with it, like, you know, people, you like, you'd hear a lot of people who are like, you have to detach yourself from your ego. And I'm like, no, I need to feed my ego every morning. Like I need to get up and i need

to pour myself a bowl of ego and put it in my mouth because i'm having some right now my coffee attaboy attaboy you know you gotta feed it if you know nobody who's at the top of their game is walking around with no ego like it just doesn't unless you're you know some you know zen master guru guy um i i feel like there's there's a healthy amount of ego required and you need to kind of be you know at least 10 20 narcissistic to pull it off um because especially in comedy you know some of my favorite comics are absolute monsters they're assholes and you know bill burr is a great example i mean his r epic and he, and he's, those are coming from a place of honesty. Those aren't, he's not having that written for him.

That's coming from his own feelings. And, you know, I, I recently quit smoking cannabis like three weeks ago. Oh really? I'm sorry. And, uh, I'm sorry too. I'm going through the worst. I'm having the worst time. Like people are like, oh, you're going to feel so much better.

Dude, I'm having the worst nightmares. Really? I'm going to tell you about this. I had a nightmare last night. Who knows where this stuff comes from, right? But I had this nightmare that it broke into my elementary school. And then the alarms went off and I started running and I looked behind me and I can't remember what they look like, but somehow I know they were Mexicans. I was being chased by Mexicans and i and i woke up screaming because they were beating me to death i was being beaten to death by fictional mexicans in my dream and i'm like this these are the most vivid dreams i've had in like 20 years because i smoked cannabis for 20 years did you had you had tacos uh that

night or something no that's the weird thing i don't even like i don't even like mexicans i mean mexican food um and so it was like it was this weird thing. I don't even like Mexicans. I mean, Mexican food. And so it was this weird thing, right? Where it was like, you know, it just, and then I went to sleep and I had this dream that I robbed my own father. You know, and I'm like, this stuff is so far-fetched, right? Because, you know. Are you trying to get off the pod or can you take edibles i i take edibles um i the edibles don't do anything for me i wish they did but they never have it's like it's it seems like i i can take a ridiculous amount of them and have zero effect

and then one more milligram and i'm a monster and there's like no in between and so it's just it's not it hasn't worked for me um and i and i do love smoking like every day i think about it and like it's been it's been three weeks and i only quit because i had a bit of a chest infection and i was like okay i need to stop because it's messing with my lungs and then i was and then it was like a week went by and the chest infection went away and i'm like let's try to sustain this and um i don't even know where i was going with this but you know like like i quit and and i and i'm i'm still waiting for it to be good like you know i haven't had i haven't gotten to the place where i'm like i've had zero positive

effects from this for whatever reason it's just like it's it's been it's been hell and it's not it's like i i crave it i i'm having negative side effects from not doing it and it's like it's it's really bumming me out i'm like where's the upside of this because i haven't found it yet maybe it'll happen in six months but i don't know if i can wait that long do you have an addictive personality did you used to smoke cigarettes yeah i did yeah yeah so there's probably a connection there yeah i think i think i think i quit smoking cigarettes kept smoking weed i think i think i just i traded one you trade addictions that always happens right yeah so i'm just i'm just waiting for my eating disorder to kick in yeah kick in you'll be like 400 pounds like me and

and then you'll be there i could pull off i could pull off fat guy i could totally pull off don't do it i got fat guy vibes get another addiction habit like i don't know yeah you ever see these people that they're always talking about porn addiction and they claim that they don't do porn anymore have you done a book on that yet um no there's these coaches on tiktok all the time and they're like men should not do Watch porn at all and I don't I forget what they call it but it's code for Waking the monkey Fap And they're coaches to do this

Like I don't know Do you want everyone to have a conversation with the guy Hey you know what have you Spanked the monkey today Tell me the truth Tell me the truth I only have kind of weird. Tell me the truth. I only have those conversations with my priest. I feel like monkeys are doing it all the time.

Monkeys are constantly masturbating. Once they figure out how to do it, they just never stop. So I feel like that addiction is as old as time. I don't think that's an addiction. That's just self-pleasure. And doing that as much as you can, I feel like there's no, I mean, at some point you're going to hurt yourself. So there's always a line.

There's always a line for too much masturbation. But it's kind of extraordinary to me. And it's weird when I see women doing it. It's like, why are you giving men advice? You have no idea what goes on in our heads with our sexual attraction. But yeah, there's these coaches that, you know, see, what gets me about them is they claim that they quit doing it. I quit in 1985, and I haven't touched that thing since, except to go pee.

And I'm like come on man it's like with those preachers who always you know say gay people are bad and then they get caught with uh you know a bowl of meth and and some guy in a massage parlor you know in a cubicle in a men's room anytime you hear one of those preachers or somebody on the right talking about how uh there's a glory hole there's a glory hole nearby yeah you're like that dude's in the closet it's just a matter of time till he falls out you know the louder you roar on the thing and so i always wonder about those guys i'm like we we should be able to like look at people's browser history and see what they've been watching and stuff so i don't know i feel like you you know if you're like and this is a male specific thing, right. But like post not clarity is like a real thing.

Right. And, and like there have, there are times where you, if, if you don't take care of that, if you don't take care of your need to do that, you're, you're not able to focus on anything else, at least me. Right. So sometimes like I need to get on with the day you know and i just need to i need to clear my mind of all these thoughts of like you know

having you know whatever six cheerleaders whatever whatever it is i'm thinking about this is the first thing that came to mind so why not seven why six come on really seven i mean we're be gluttonous. I don't know, dude. I mean, there's only, there's only so many digits, you know what I'm saying?

Um, but, but I feel like, you know, without doing that, you're not, you're not able to get to, to the other side where you're like,

like, you know, sometimes guys will be, and I've heard stories about this where, you know, when you're single and you're chasing some girl that you don't even really want, you're just, you're, you're just sexually attracted to her. And, and like, if, if like, and, and he'll be texting her and it will be like furious texting and she'll be responding, you know, and he's like, you know, I want you, I want you, I want you. And then he goes and jerks off.

Right. And then he just completely ignores her. And then she's like what happened where did he go you know and it's because he doesn't he realized he doesn't want you yeah it was all it was all you know in the digit and like and and now he's over it because he took care of himself and and so it's like there's this weird i don't know it's i feel like it's like without without getting that clarity i know there i know there are times in the in the day where if i don't if i don't take care of it you know

it's all i'm going to think about all day and i'm not going to get i'm not going to get any work done the second half of the show's gotten real personal brad i feel like we should add dr ruth here to help us out with the show it's more of a dr phil it's more dr phil than dr ruth yeah because i feel like i need to go to Turnabout Ranch. I feel like I should be helping you with this. Like I'm your therapist at this point. I don't need help jerking off, but thank you. You walked right into that.

You walked right into that. Yeah. I have this image. I'm looking at your background. I have this image that the whole floor is covered in dry socks. What's going on? There you go. So, you know, it's so funny.

You have so many books that you've written that I have to actually ask you before I give you an idea for a book. Have you done this yet? That's how many books you've written. Isn't that amazing? I love that. You have to be like, hey, have you written a book about mlm stuff and you're like yeah probably uh this is so funny so are you just gonna keep writing books and you're gonna keep looking for new material are you gonna keep doing stand-up yes to all the things um i uh you recently in la doing stand-up

with yeah yeah i did the burbank comedy festival uh that was a lot of fun. But as a Canadian, I can't get paid in the US. So I have to go for free and on my own dime until I get my... I'm applying for a person of extraordinary abilities visa. Oh, there you go. So once I get that, I can get paid. But yeah, the last couple trips to the US, I had to get $0 contracts from the comedy club so that I could go through US customs and say, I'm bringing money in. I'm not taking any money out. And they're like, welcome to America.

So that throws a wrench into the machine a little bit, right? Where even when the clubs want to pay, I got to tell them not to. And then they're like, we love you. Please come back more, we love you. You know, please come back more. So, so I, you know,

I'm, I'm taking a break from standup because here's the funny thing, right? You talk about Tik TOK and all this stuff here in my basement in Toronto, I can flip on my phone right now and I can go live on TikTok. And in one hour, I can be exposed to 80,000 people. Holy crap. Pick up 3,000 to 4,000 new followers.

Now, hopefully this isn't while you're mid-nut. Well, it's post. You're still exposed. It's all post. It's all post-nut. And I can get a huge amount of people to watch me, uh, in a short amount of time without any warning, without any scheduling of the live, just like flip it on, go live, no warning, no, you know, emailing my list, none of those things and pick up a massive amount of viewers, um, and sell a lot of books and get new followers, huge exposure. Yeah. Doing what I'm good at doing on stage for 50 people or a hundred people or

300 people. Um, you know, and so the, the, you know, like even if I go to Toronto to do a standup show, you know,

which I do fairly regularly. And it's funny when the Toronto comedy scenes kind of weird, they don't really like you, right? The attitude is, Oh, you're famous in the internet. You're a loser. You know, they want,, right? The attitude is, Oh, you're famous in the internet. You're a loser.

You know, they want, they want comics who work at the bank, you know, who come in and they've been doing it for 10 years and they're just, you know, they hate the world. And,

and, and, but when I go to the U S and I post clips of me on stages in the U S the Toronto, the Toronto comedy clubs are like, Hey buddy, come on back. You know,

like all the, it's, it all the it's it's it's like it's like when you have a girlfriend in high school and then you go to camp you bang somebody else she's you know she just wants you more um so it's like you know so you you come back and these clubs want you and and you have a good time doing it but it's like okay so to do for me to go like i'm going to go do some gigs at the end of the month in toronto and i'll do like maybe 15 20 minutes right so i got to get in my car drive to you know the club 45 minutes away uh you know pay for parking i'll probably go out for dinner you know i'll probably buy a drink at the club um i'm out a few bucks which i don't care about but it's like you know i'm out this money and then i do this gig and i might get nothing or

i might get 20 bucks or i might depending on the venue i might get 150 bucks you know it's not a lot of money to do stand up i do but but that's the whole point right is you do it you do it for the live laughs but the the the the net result is exposure to maybe 50 or 100 people that have never heard of me. Or I can flip on that live, and in the amount of time it takes me to drive to the comedy club, I can pick up 3,000, 4,000 new followers. That makes more sense to me. And a lot of people are like, yeah, but you can't compare them. But the problem is I am comparing them. And it's a question of return on investment of time.

And so I do both. Don't get me wrong. On the day that I'm going to do the, when I go to Toronto and do a club, I'm going to go live on TikTok that day anyway. So it's, I do both. But the amount of effort that I put in here in my basement is way more financially lucrative than the amount of effort I put going on a plane to Los Angeles. Yeah. The ROI of time. I've always wondered about that, about comedians, because, you know, they spend a lot of time, uh, uh, flying and going from city to city.

And, you know, sometimes you play some weird places and some backwoods places and stuff. But if you can kill it on TikTok, why not? There's a lot of comedians doing well with their own podcasts. Some famous comedians, they've got HBO shows, but they're actually probably doing better on their podcast than they are doing the thing. They get way more money to read a promo and their entire Netflix special will pay them.

Yeah. And, and sometimes the, I don't know. So I, there's one community I know I won't mention, but his podcast is actually funnier than a standup. At least I think so.

Oh, you got to tell me who's got his, he's got his wife on. You may know. Oh, Tom Samora. Yeah, I think so.

Yeah. Oh dude, he's one of my favorites dude is why having his wife on there and them going to banter back and forth is what makes it funnier yeah because his wife's a comedian too yeah christina she i dude i think they're they're two of my favorites i mean um and and uh i'm not gonna lie i think christina's hot when she gets dressed up like a goth girl oh oh, my God. Goth Christina. We know what you were into in high school.

Oh, my God. I can see how she was really hot a long time ago, but she's cute now. But, yeah, I watched part of his stand-up, and I was just like, yeah, it's good. I'm not really – it wasn't vibing with me. I don't know if it was the timing or what. But, yeah, his podcast, I love it. And, of course, it's on TikTok. I'm killing it over there. So, there you, but yeah, his podcast, I love it. And of course it's on TikTok and killing it over there.

So there you go. So final thoughts as we go out, final pitch to the audience to pick up your books and everything, Brad. Pick up my books and everything. Or else. Yeah. Look for the stuff that's going to offend you. Look for the stuff that's going to make your mom use the C word when she opens it on Christmas Day.

Oh. What? Give it away at Christmas. There you go. I never even think about that. Yeah. One of my books last year was called Mike Hunt Smells Like Fish. And Chris, that was another one of those books I didn't think. My cartoonist was like, hey, I need some extra work.

And I had this. Dude, I sat on this idea for 18 months and this is how stupid i am i sat on the idea for this book for 18 months and it sold better than all my other books combined oh yeah i published it in september last year and it became it got to number 40 on Amazon, all products. Wow. And just sold a stupid number of copies. Like, no, like I thought I was doing well. And then I published that book and I was like, wow, this changed everything. And, you know, people bought it for one reason because they wanted their, they wanted to make somebody open that book and say the words Mike Hunt at Christmas. You see people that do that on YouTube and TikTok

for years where they'll go into the Starbucks. Yeah. And they'll have them put some sort of thing that ends up being that. You know, comedy just never fails. And if you can't laugh in life, people, please seek mental help. Here's one more.

Mike Litt shouldn't be hard to find. Hopefully there's some instruction there because I know a lot of guys that need that help, evidently. Some don't even think it's real. Yeah. Anytime I'm dating women and you hear about their exes and their ex-wives and you're like, wow, how did you stay married for 20 years? Well, they're just telling you that because they want you to try and find it. Oh, I find it? Right.

Yeah. I haven't single all these years and happy for nothing. I know how to find my way around. I know where the parts are. I know where the parts are. I read some books early on. That's the real key. They have those anatomy books.

And then I always subscribed to Playboy when I was young, so there was that. where the parts are. I read some books early on. That's the real key. They have those anatomy books. And then I always subscribe to Playboy when I was young, so there was that. But yeah. So it's been fun to have you on. Let's not wait. I think it was like seven years ago we had you on the show. Last time I did your show, the entire country of India

was trying to kill me. Do remember that i don't remember oh yeah yeah yeah they stole one of my some some facebook page that's like super popular in india with like 10 million followers or something stole one of my stole their stole my graphics for their logo and i i contacted them to take it down and they were like no and so i reported them and then they had their they got their facebook page shut down and then they were like please sir please tell facebook to put our page back up and i was like no and then and then they went to some other page and they told the like and dude it was like it was like you want to like you want to get canceled or you want to go

viral piss off the entire country of india and it was just, it was, and you, I remember you were talking, you and I talked about it. It was like kind of at the peak of when it was happening. And I was like, wow, this is like a crazy time in my life for, for me to do a podcast with you. And, uh, I was just thinking about it the other day. I was like, wow, I'm going to do Chris Voss show. And the last time I did it, I was being like completely like inundated.

Like it was coming from everywhere. Like, you know, I like it was coming from everywhere. Like, you know, they, I mean, it came from everywhere. Um, and so that was,

yeah, that was, it's been, I think it was like seven years ago. It was like 2017, uh, November 21st, 2017. There it is.

There you go. So what, how long is it? Six years? Yeah. Six years ago. Holy crap. Uh,

yeah, you're up for the six year anniversary there in a few, in a month. Uh, well, it's been wonderful to have you and I'm glad to call you a friend, crap. Yeah, you're up for the six-year anniversary there in a month. Well, it's been wonderful to have you, and I'm glad to call you a friend, Brad. We have the same sort of dark humor and narcissistic, probably dark triad tendencies. So,

there you go. We like pissing off people. I have people write me about some of the stuff I post on Facebook, and they're like, you have a lot of anger about simps and what men are doing and i'm like i really don't i just write stuff to piss people off and pissing and entertaining like i'm just here to entertain like half the stories i tell i'm just like i'm not angry about them i just think they're funny stories yeah i'm like this look how stupid this is look at

hypocritical this thing i mean most of my stuff is about hypocritical stuff and people mistake anger for when you point out stupidity they mistake it for anger it's so hard because i'm like do i need to write it different or do they just not get it and that's why i all my stuff is private now because most of my friends get me and they're like yeah he's doing his he's doing his shit stuff and and i and i do try and incorporate that comedic thing where as a as a as a comedian you do sprinkle some truth bits that are going to hurt they're going to be painful um you know who's who's the comedian who's he's gotten canceled he's tried to get canceled a few times on his netflix because he talks about transgenderism yeah david chappelle and he's so good at that making,

you know, he'll, he'll bash everybody. He'll go the full circle on, on everybody involved, but you know, he'll, he'll jab you with some stuff.

And it has two things that I'll, that I don't have. One is blackness and two is fuck you money. Right. And when you have fuck you money, you can say whatever you want. That's true. Right.

He lives in Ohio, you know, know no like nobody's coming for him and so he can say whatever he wants and he's got enough money to keep him and his entire generations of his family in in comfort forever um you know that's i aspire i aspire to have the blackness there you go and well and the money and the fuck you money i could we'll just keep you and i working on that so we'll get there one to have the blackness. There you go. And the money, the fucking money. We'll just keep you and I working on that, so we'll get there one of these days. There you go. So thank you very much, Brad. It's been wonderful to have you on the show. I'm glad to call you

a friend again. Keep pissing people off, damn it. A little bit of narcissistic and dark triad and Machiavellianism will get you laid. So thank you for coming on. Give us your dot coms one more time too, so we can get that out.

It's bradgoss.com. That's how it's spelled. Just like that. Brad Goss. G-O-S-S-E. Stickers and everything. I got stickers. I got merch and everything.

Merch. Just get the merch. I got my own logo. There you go. So thanks so much for tuning in. Be sure to refer the show to your family, friends, relatives.

Get them as smart as you are. That way, when you go to Christmas dinner and Thanksgiving dinner, you know, you can, you don't have to put up with their stupidity. Plus order some of Brad's books and give away a Christmas. What a great thing to have.

I'm going to have, I'm going to buy some for my coffee table. So when dates come over, they're like, what are you reading there? And then they'll leave. I'm going to have, uh, I'm going to buy some for my coffee table. So when dates come over, they're like, what are you reading there? And then they'll leave. So, and maybe,

maybe I want them to leave. That's the whole point. Cause there's a certain point of that relationship where you're like, it's time for you to go. It's been a week. Uh, so there you go. Uh,

go to goodreads.com, for just Christmas, linkedin.com for just Christmas. Is, are these on good reads by the way? Yep. There you go. Uh,

Chris was one of the tick tock and Chris Foss on LinkedIn. Thanks forreads, by the way? Yep. Chris Foss one on TikTok and Chris Foss on LinkedIn. Thanks for tuning in. Be good to each other. Stay safe and we'll see you guys next time.