The Chris Voss Show - The Chris Voss Show Podcast – Brain Storms: Surviving Catastrophic Illness by Les Duncan

Episode Date: May 29, 2026

Brain Storms: Surviving Catastrophic Illness by Les Duncan https://www.amazon.com/Brain-Storms-Surviving-Catastrophic-Illness/dp/1604622237 Leslieduncan.com Can one person survive four brain hemorrhages and two brain surgeries, and still live a normal, joyful life? Join survivor Les Duncan for Brain Storms, a collection of twenty-seven tips for coping with and recovering from catastrophic illness. These easy-to-read chapters-free from confusing technical jargon-will inspire you to take back your life. Full of tips and practical information-like how to find an exceptional doctor, the trick to listening to your body, building a life of sheer determination, and becoming an occasional but likable nuisance when necessary-will enable you to make recovery your full-time job. Applicable both for survivors and caretakers, Brain Storms also deals with the importance of maintaining relationships throughout the difficult healing process. Be inspired to survive.

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but it is not an endorsement or review of any kind. Today's featured author comes to us from books to lifemarketing.com. With expert publishing to strategic marketing, they help authors reach their audience and maximize their book success. Today we're an amazing young man on the show, where we're talking to him about his book. Brian... His book, Brain Storms, Surviving Catastrophic Illness, Out April 29, 2008 by Les Duncan.

We're going to get into it with him and find out some of his things. Clearly, I'm having some brainstorms today trying to get the old brain to function, so maybe he can help me out. Les labored his way through college by working full-time while simultaneously carrying a full load of college classes, existing on five hours of sleep a night. In June of 1971, he was a commission officer of the United States Air Force. He resigned his commission after 11 years of service and went to work in the oil and gas industry, something he'd always dreamed of doing.

He spent several years working in women's retail clothing industry, where he was selected by CIO magazine one of the top 10 CIOs in the United States, and his IT organization was voted top 100 in the world. He became the first women's clothing retailer to sell merchandise on the internet, harvesting customers who were expatriates living abroad, military women, etc., etc. Customers living in rural areas far away from traditional male also. But the biggest surprise was revealing customers who lived abroad and hungered for their clothing. The customers made several trips to New York City where they purchased millions of dollars of merchandise

and carried back merchandise to open their own store in the country. They turned out to be some of the largest customers for them. He worked in the largest volume in sales alongside sales associates, spending two days every month at the largest store in the company, interacting with customers, store associates, and mall management personnel. He ran off his professional career by working at Atmos Energy Corporation, the largest natural gas company in the United States, and he was hired to beef up the executive staff for many mergers to come.

The last merger year was saw doubled the size of the company. He was hired to upgrade the C-level of the organization to deal with large mergers and acquisitions. Welcome to the show. How are you, Les? I'm good, Chris. How are you today? I am excellent. Give us any dot com's websites, any YouTube, any place you want people to find you on the interwebs. I have a website. It's all small letters, Leslie, L-E-S-L-E-L-E-D-U-N-C-A-N-C-A-N dot com.

That's information about my books as well as my life and a few interviews in the back about how much sharing, my wife Sharon and I love each other and how we've built a strong and happy marriage. Oh, love. So wonderful. And strong marriages. Those are hard to find nowadays. So give us a 30,000 overview. What's in the book? And what is this brainstorms thing? Brainstorms is about me and the eight massive bleeds, brainbleeds and eight debilitating strokes. And doctors told me that I was damaged. I was so damaged and the bleeds were so ferocious that I would never be able to survive. And I didn't accept that a prognosis. I'm a fighter. Yeah.

I told them that I wasn't going to roll over and die. So I worked my way up to 47 hours a week of physical, occupational speech and what I call leading edge therapies, it means things that were not taught in medical school, but shouldn't work. now so you survived four brain hemorrhages and two brain surgeries that correct eight brain hemorrhages eight brain hemorrhages sorry i'm reading off of amazon and it says four on here so somebody that's because it's an old book oh it's an old book oh you had more since okay 2008 all right that makes sense now eight brain hemorrhages now was there some sort of condition you had or disease or or some sort of thing that was causing these yes

passed on to me a defective gene in their DNA. It had been passed down through the family over the years, and it caused the blood vessels in my brain to form in clusters and knots instead of straight lines. And when that happens, pressure builds up, and sometimes they explode. Oh, wow. It's not a good place to have stuff explode as in the brain. No, that's right. Yeah. In fact, earlier we had a galen who had, she had a brain tumor. When they removed it, she forgot everything, which can be convenient in life, really.

But she forgot her husband who was even married. So it must be brain day today. So this is wild. You had the surgeries, but you figured out a way to utilize your brain, keep things functioning and working. Tell us more about how you developed through this and lead us through some of it. there were certain things that just wouldn't heal with traditional therapies. My face, the left side of my face was paralyzed and my eye was stuck on open all the time, day and night. And I drooled out of the left side of my mouth.

In one week, I had three people asked me if I had tried acupuncture. Acupuncture? And I thought to myself, that must be a sense. signs, three different people. People I didn't hardly knew told me to try active function. Really? First around and found a Chinese actifungerist who has studied acupuncture, practiced act of function and taught active function in China. Especially was reversing paralysis.

He put the needles in my face. And I think his trick was he had some way of determining exactly where that was nerve readings were in my face. And then he hooked up electrodes to those details and turned the juice up as hard as I could stand it. And after six weeks, my face was back to normal. Wow. And that was acupuncture, acupressure.

Acupuncture. Yes. Wow. Geez. I might go get some of that now because I drew all the side of my face, but it's just can only see because I'm stupid. The other kind of a leading-edge technology was biophoton treatment. They got a hold of me because...

Is this something that Spock gives you the photon experience or something? That sounds like a Star Trek. Poet on laser set for stun. Come to a clinical trial in Butler, Pennsylvania. So I did. And I had trouble getting from my car to the front door of the building with a walker when I got there. When I left, I walked out with a normal gate and a trouble whatsoever, feeling better than I'd ever felt in my life.

And in the meantime, I've been bombarded with bio photons, which are a substance that's present in the body. Its purpose is to heal diseases or wounds, but there's nothing to your body that's powerful enough to tackle a stroke. and looking for people who are multiple stroke survivors. I certainly met that criteria. And again, it was amazing to me how much that changed my body. I walked out, didn't have any trouble with anything. Wow. Now, that was...

Those were big steps along the way to the full recovery. So I googled this. Now, do I have this right photon laser? treatment? Not laser. Or photon. Biot photons. Oh, bio photons. Okay. Going off America. Biodoton treatment?

Yeah. Were you able to do that here? Do you have to go to another country to do that? I went to Butler, Pennsylvania. No, that is another country. No, I'm just kidding. We love Pennsylvania. We love Pennsylvania. We did see that movie, the deer hunter. So that was kind of weird. But other than that, we love Pennsylvania. I think they've closed that center down. now. Oh, really? Yeah, but they still sell the biophotone generators that you can take home and put them in your bed and they work there too.

You put them under your bed and they work through the bed? Absolutely. Really? Wow. This is pretty well. Bionic biophotone therapy according to bearcreek clinic.com. I guess they're the services. I'm just pulling stuff off the internet and looking for talkable points here. But wow, they say it may help with tick-borne illness, biotoxin, chronic fatigue, pain disorders, bad girlfriends, sleeping disorders, wait, what? Sleeping disorders, wound, I need it for that. Multi or musculoskeletalitis, arthritis, skin, condition. So what is this? What is this folk-tron stuff kind of do?

In your mind and how is it helping you? It helped me a lot. Like I said, I've been in not feeling real good. and I came up feeling the best I'd ever felt. Wow. I saw a doctor twice a week, and I saw a nurse twice a week, and they measured things like health and kidney health and heart health and things like that. It was a real shot in the arm for me.

Wow. I wonder if this could help. We've had lots of people, I mean, not lost, but it seems like a lot, but I think about five or ten people on the show that had brain traumatic. injuries where the brain has taken a hit. One of my friends, he fell on the back of his head onto his hard floor after he was having too much fun drinking and tracked open his skull and had blood on the brain. They had to go and remove and it gave him a brain traumatic injury. We had somebody, I think last week that had one and we had people that their daughters had a wrecked a car and they wrote books

about it. I wonder if that could help people with brain traumatic injury. Absolutely. It could. I speak the brain traumatic injury sport groups and injury support groups. And they all have the same issue and have the same solutions to their problems. Wow. That's wild, man. This could be revolutionary because my best friend that I really enjoyed spending time with, having coffee and lunches with and hanging out with, he had this injury. And we couldn't hang out anymore because when people with TBI, I think it's called,

They go out and they get overwhelmed by the noise and all the crap that goes on, people talking. And it just becomes overload for their brain. And so we couldn't hang out anymore. And it was heartbreaking. You couldn't spend time with your friend. Sometimes he could come out for coffee and spend five minutes and then you have to, Chris, I got to go. And you just have to understand. It's the nature of this industry thing.

But, God, if we could heal some of these folks and make it so they could function a whole lot easier in society for that. Damn, I'm all for it. I've experienced a few miracles along the way, too. Yeah. One of my bleeds, one of my eight bleeds, resolved itself just before surgery was scheduled. Oh, really? My neurosurgeon said he'd never seen that happen before.

I had God touched my body and make me roll into the bed on my right side. The bleed that I was having was on the right side of my brain. I had no idea, by the way. And my world-renowned neurosurgeon told me that that saved my life because it made the blood clot and stopped fleeting. Oh. That's a good thing, too, because I was abroad and dealing with government health care. And they were doing nothing for me. Wow.

The doctor they sent to my house because I was too damaged to get out of my bed and downstairs. told me my problem was extreme fatigue. And then he accused me of being a typical American. Really? Somebody who got up early and arrived at the office at least two hours before his British counterparts and then stayed late and put in an hour of day by the time he rode the trains back and forth. Wow. I mean, you have this disease.

So, I mean, this condition. Is it a disease or is it a condition? It's a condition. Okay. So it's a chromosome, DNA. I suppose maybe in the future, if they do come up with ways to manipulate the chromosomal feeds or birth stuff, maybe this is something they could help prevent. Because, now, did you have this all your life or did this manifest in your later years?

You've written a lot of books, we'll get into. Yeah. I was leaving a perfectly normal, happy to work on active life until May 6th of 1990. and that's when my first massive brain hemorrhage occurred. And how old were you at the time? I was too shy of my 42nd birthday. Exactly too shy of my 42nd birthday. I never had any problems before that.

No problems before. So is it maybe just as you age, the brain gets a little bit weaker and it's susceptible to these things? Or maybe the condition just doesn't manifest itself? I'm no scientist. I think they grow over time. They start out small and then they get bigger and bigger. Ah, so ages they grow and stuff.

Yeah. But that doesn't explain at all because the only person in our family now who has the gene, the bad gene, and passed it on is my youngest son who had a brainstem of hemorrhage in his senior college and was unable to complete school because of that. That's unfortunate. And his daughter is okay. They had a genetic test. He doesn't have the gene.

But he did. And so it was the only one left that could pass that gene down to another generation. And that's all done now. Other than my grandchildren, nieces and nephews are all afraid of that negative

gene. I'm glad that they can prevent it for the future or they can try and prevent it. I guess you can test for it. Hopefully they can come up with some sort of prevention for it. But you wrote a lot of books. How many books do you have? I'm looking at your website here. And there's a question. I have six.

One of them is in progress as we speak. You mentioned it earlier. It's how we've raised three children to become exceptional adults with no instruction book. Wow. That's being republished now and should be available within the month. All right. By the way, my wife has been joined me on June 4th, and we're going to speak to you together about that book. All righty. We'll look forward to that. So why don't we do this? We'll put that book off

on the back burner because we're going to cover that. Now you have a few other books. They made you the boss. Now What? A Practical Guide for New Leaders. I love that title. That book's all about my leadership style. It didn't start out that way. And that's my name of that title. It started out to be a book for new leaders, somebody who had never led people before and didn't have clues how to act. The more I wrote and the more I talk to other people, they said, no less, you need to write a book about your leadership style. Because it's unique and it's effective. So that's what I did. And just a summary is you hire the very best people and I say in my book, how you do that.

You put them to work to do the good work that you told that you hired them to do and then you leave them alone and let them do the job. you don't huddle over them or check up on them all the time i can't micromanage them no micromanage is allowed i just i just have puppet strings on them and i stand over them and have them tie up if they need help they know they're free to come to me but you bring up a you bring up a good point that i learned the hard way hiring well at the start is one of the keys right absolutely yeah we we used to have all these problems with employees and hiring and we just it was just a nightmareish some of the things we people that we picked up people that had alcohol problems drug problems i mean and we used to we used to

hire they would come in and we did the interview and if i felt like they were kind of the best interview of the day we go ahead and hire them sometimes we're hiring a few people and so i just hire them if one interview hire and and and we're just having nightmarish problems and always firing people and writing them up and just it's just problems problems theft lots of things that theft, employee theft. And I can't remember where I got it, but someone said, you need to, when you interview people, you need to do three to four interviews. You really need to get to know them, have them let their guard down to see you and kind of really see what you're working with possibly. And so we started a process where we would do three to four interviews. And I would

interview my vice president or my executive secretary and interview them. And it was really funny by the third or fourth interview, people were putting their foot up on the desk. They just come in, their pajamas, they're farting in the interview. They're just, they think they got it in the bag. They go, ah, it's the third, fourth interview. I got this job. And they're letting it all hang out. Then you're fine about the prison time and, you know, and you're just like, wow, okay, we're going to write this down. And then I, the other thing I need to teach my people was to shut up and quit selling the job. They would sit there for, if you maybe had a 15 minute or half in our interview, they would talk most of the time, not the employee or the perspective,

employee but are executives. They'd be selling why they should work for us. And I'm like, you need to shut up and let them talk. Because if they've got issues, they're hiding, they'll eventually tell you, right? If you just let people talk. And

so we learn that. And boy, did our problems just go away? So I can totally attest to what you're saying. If you hire right, it eliminates like 80% of the problems, I think, maybe. Absolutely. Yeah, yeah. which is I don't know why they hired me.

But so. The only thing is in the book that's kind of revealing is that back when I was hiring entry level people, a lot of those people had worked at McDonald's. And most of them complained, you know, about how hard they had to work and how greasy it was and how low the pay was and all that good stuff. And my attitude was I would hire a guy that said I worked at McDonald's and I was the best burger fluffer in the

country. I would hire him over any other person because he was passionate and glad and happy about his job. Hmm. They're glad to be away from that grease, right? That's right.

I did McDonald's when I was a teenager. Yeah, I've done that movie. I was a good, I was a pretty good cook. Horrible at the cashier thing. But yeah, sometimes, I mean, sometimes the politics at McDonald's were the worst because they usually have like five managers and so yes so it's it's like you never know who am i supposed to listen to and i remember one time they put me on cashier duty because i guess

they were short cashiers and i remember a gal overpaid by three cents and and i didn't really think about it at the time but later one of the gentleman who was one of the five managers came to me and he goes he goes you stole 30 bucks or 300 or something he accused me of stealing and he said in the Till was off by, by, I think it was 300 bucks or 30 bucks. And I was just done. Like, and I'm like, 17. I don't know how to deal with this. And I'm like, no, I didn't steal. And he's like, yeah, we're going to get to the bottom of this. And he went off. And he was a guy who did have some learning issues. He was, he was, I don't know, a DIY hire or whatever. He was a nice guy. He just wasn't fully there. And later, about two weeks later, I'd walked around dealing with this fallout.

two weeks later the management came to me and they go yeah sorry he does have some learning disabilities he had to move the decimal over two points you were you were ahead three cents the and then i remember the gal that gave me the three cents and i'm like oh yeah so three hundred dollars to three cents or whatever it was and yeah there's a lot of craziness goes on with i was fired because i had long hair that's that was my that was my big criminal thing but if he wrote about my book it made for a great start of uh self-employment career On the other books, how I lost 120 pounds and kept it off. Yes. And then that's a pretty good deal.

Two words. Two things. One thing, did you know that diet is a four-letter word? Oh, yeah, I do. And secondly, it's all about the calories. And people think it's fat, thinking it's all sorts of stuff, but it's about calories. and also exercise. I was working.

Exercise. Yeah, I was walking eight miles every morning. Oh, yeah. At a cliff of about four miles an hour and eating about 2,000 calories a day. And it just melted off. The way it started, though, was I got up, I'd get up every morning and get on the scales. I'm not supposed to do that because you want to get frustrated. That's right.

Your water weight changes a lot. I woke up one morning. We were living in. Texas and scale tipped at 335 pounds. Wow. And I said, I'm tired of going by my clothes at the big and tall shop. I'm tired of not having to replace my clothing frequently because I continue to put on weight.

I'm going to do something about that. So that's what I did. Good for you, man. Sometimes we just have to reach that moment. I reached the same moment in 2016. I was probably close to 400 pounds. It might have been 400 pounds. I know I wasn't weighing myself, but I was really bad.

And I just got sick and tired of being sick and tired. Sometimes, you know, you help a lot of people or you give a lot of people advice, and you're like, hey, you should probably do that. And yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But you kind of have to personally reach that moment where you're like, I'm sick of this and I'm going to do something about it. And if you can recognize that, sometimes you can advance that and go, you know what, maybe it's time to be sick of this and stuff.

You've had quite the adventures in your life, one of your other books I find funny because I've moved a lot too. I seem to get bored every two or three years and I moved to someplace different. I just, I don't know, I just get bored. And I'm single, no kids, no wife. So I don't have to stay in one place. Like I can just move. I don't have the kids in school and my wife doesn't have a job.

And I can work anywhere in the world as long as we got Wi-Fi to do the podcast and consulting and coaching the, other things I do. So, you know, I mean, it's kind of fun. And it's kind of a pain, though, when you move. The moving parts, the pain part. But you've moved 16 times. You've got a book called Moving House, Tips, Tricks, and Sage Advice from guys move 16 times. Tell us a little bit about that book, N. I'll start with the end, which is the first rule about moving to make it not stressful and not a hassle and not a damaging move is don't move anything that you're not going to throw away at the other end. It's stupid. It's absolutely stupid these people. Put this stuff in, a moving truck,

all halfway across the country, and then throw it away. Throw it away before you move. Okay. It's just a matter of, we move so many times that, and by the way, some of it was job changes in the civilian world, but I was also in the Air Force, and the Air Force moves year around at least once every three years, and a couple moves there that were six months or one year. He learned lot. And another thing that I learned that helped me a lot is the labeling on the boxes. Put that labeling on there so that you know what's in it when it gets to the other end. Because you're going to be looking for something specific. And you won't find it unless it's labeled properly. Yeah. That's definitely true. That's what I hate is when you get to the side. You're like,

where the hell is the toaster and the coffee maker? That's the number one important thing, the coffee maker. Where is it? Which boxes it in? You start turning. And then the other thing, like you mentioned, I've always, I always kicked myself when I move a bunch of crap. And then I'm on the other side, unpacking everything. And you get really specific. And you look at something. You just go, what the hell am I doing, moving this thing all over? You're like, I did that for a lot of years. I was moving just all this stuff. And finally, I was just like, I used to have like 4,000 CDs or something that I would move and I think I still have a lot of storage. But I just feel like, why do I keep move all of stuff around?

There's a digital, it's on the, all these CDs I own are on the interweb and they're probably better resolution than what I have now. So it's kind of wild of the stuff you have. On the list, I found your Les Duncan channel, I believe. It's got your logo on it. So I'm pretty sure this is you. Looks like there's a Les and Sharon wedding documentary about five months ago. That sounds like I have the right channel?

Yep. Okay. And tell us about this channel. You're using this as a podcast, as a blog. Tell us how this is working, how often you post. I always admired you, and I'm interested in things you bring on the show. And that wasn't, I mean, I didn't try to go after this. Somebody called me and said, I think Chris would have a good time.

Yeah. Yeah. So on your YouTube channel that you have here under Les Dung, How often do you post and stuff? As often as I need to, I will, by the way, post this interview on my website after it's done. So when big events that like this occur, I post them on my website.

I have another podcast that's been recorded and it's now being edited and will be out in June. It's called a Les Duncan show. Okay. What it is is five episodes of me telling the story of my life. It's been an exciting life. Yeah. Yeah.

I've been shot at. I've had people point guns at me and not shoot because I told them that they would, if they did, I'd get them in the end. I've had all sorts of experiences. Yeah. Sounds like you've definitely had some fun. Yeah. Now, this one other book that we'll profile here, 35 years and counting, tell us about this, a love story, plus advice on building an enduring marriage.

Marriage, yes. Tell us about this book, 45 years. That's a book about my wife Sharon and I. We met when she was 18, just two months out of high school, and that was 20, getting ready to enter my junior year of college. We fell in love instantly. It was love at her sight. and this is a book about how we live our married life to make sure that it's a loving, lasting relationship.

A couple of things. I have a rule. I have a rule that I go by that makes sure we never have an argument. That is number one. Sharon is always right. Rule number two is, if you ever think she might be wrong, refer to rule number one. We don't argue because I refuse to. argue. We also are very loving with you, each other still. The first thing we do when we wake up in the

morning, while we're still in bed, I say, good morning, Sharon. And she says, good morning, Wes. I got into that. I say, good morning, beautiful. And she says, morning, handsome. And I say, I love you very much. And she says, I love you too. That's a good way to start the day. It's a great way to start the day. I need to hire somebody to, maybe I can get to Google to or, what's the other one, Google or Siri or whatever, to greet me that way in the morning. Yeah. I can try. I don't know.

Google usually wakes me up and says, I hate you. And I go, yeah, I know. Just whatever. I think Google understands me. I think it's the other one, the Amazon one that can't ever understand anything. If I ever say, Alexa. Yeah, Alexa. If I ever say Alexa.

to play the Chris Vosho. She plays something like totally not the Chris Vosho. But at least Google gets me. She'll play the Chris Fosho podcast. I'd probably just triggered that for everybody in the audience. It's playing the podcast now. That's my trick to get the audience to play the podcast. So this has been wonderful to have you on.

Any final thoughts? Any questions that maybe I should have asked you about or anything I should have covered with you. That maybe we want to question. Well, as I said, you'll be back on your show. And this time, Sharon will be. with me, and believe me, she's a lot better looking than I am. And so... I hope so. That's the way it works with women and men.

And we're going to talk about the book that's currently being published, which is how we raised three children to become exceptional adults with no instruction manual. Yeah. Yeah. It's all about... You didn't get an instruction manual. I got one. They didn't someone home with us.

My dad gave me the instruction manual for how to raise kids. It involved him and his belt. Oh! I just joking, folks. That's a good point. We learned for our parents. He made it a very good point. You remembered what you did wrong.

Ouch, that hurts. Anyway, we'll look forward to seeing you then and anticipating that and all that good stuff. As we go out, give people your final pitch out to order up your books and let them know how they can learn more about you. Okay, my website is really a good website. Amazon Prime wrote it for me and maintains it for me. I have a contract with them. They purchased book rights for brainstorms and 45 years and counting. They've already made a short film out of that.

And on my website, you'll see all the books, but they all have movie trailers because Amazon Prime has it in their mind they're going to publish everything. going to make movies out of everyone. Oh, wow. That should be wonderful. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

That should be a lot of fun to take and do making movies of all the books. And, you know, I mean, they really should do more of that, really, when it comes down to it. So, yeah. I consider myself a screenwriter. Yeah. Make those movies, put them on the big screen. A lot of people are trying to do that right now. In fact, you can do a lot of stuff like that with, like, AI.

You can make trailers. I think you made some trailers. I think I see here on your website for your books. That's right. This should be fun. So we'll look forward to having you later on in the timeline there and all that good stuff. Look forward to that. Thank you very much for coming on, Les.

We really appreciate it. Thanks, Chris. Thank you. And thanks, sir, Ernest, for tuning in. Order up his book, where refined books are sold. Brainstorms, surviving catastrophic illnesses, or I'm sorry, brainstorms surviving catastrophic illness out April 29, 2008. Thanks for tuning in.

Go to Goodreads.com, Fortressess, Chris Foss, LinkedIn.com, Forteousus, Chris Foss, 1, the TikTok, and all those crazy places in it. Be good to each other. Stay safe. We'll see you guys next time. You've been listening to the most amazing, intelligent podcast ever made to improve your brain and your life.

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