The Chris Voss Show - The Chris Voss Show Podcast – Brian Fowler of Security First International Holdings, Inc. Unveils OptoBiz AI Humanly Applied

Episode Date: June 30, 2023

Brian Fowler of Security First International Holdings, Inc. Unveils OptoBiz AI Humanly Applied OptoBiz.ai OptoBiz is an AI-based virtual assistant. AI-based virtual assistants are services that use artificial intelligence technologies, such as machine learning, natural language processing, and computer vision, to interact with users in a human-like manner. It is designed to simulate a conversation and provide assistance, support, or information to users over the internet or other communication networks. AI-based virtual assistants can be used for various tasks, such as scheduling appointments, making reservations, answering customer queries, and providing personalized recommendations. They can be found in various forms, such as chatbots, voice assistants, and smart home devices, and are becoming increasingly popular in many industries. Over the last decade, artificial intelligence has shown immense potential in revolutionizing a multitude of fields. One of the most prominent applications of AI is in the creation of virtual assistants, or chatbots, which interact with users in natural language to provide assistance. AI-based virtual assistants have numerous advantages for both businesses and individuals. For businesses, they can provide 24/7 customer service, streamline processes and perform mundane tasks such as scheduling appointments and answering common customer queries. This level of automation allows human employees to focus on more specialized and complex tasks. The benefits don’t stop with businesses. Individuals can use virtual assistants to streamline their daily routines, manage their personal finances, and even assist with everyday tasks like scheduling appointments or reminding them of important dates. AI-based virtual assistants use natural language processing (NLP) and machine learning (ML) algorithms to understand the user’s intent and provide the correct response or action.

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later on this month to talk about it today we have an amazing guest and we're going to be talking about ai and uh running companies uhcommunications, the web industry, etc., etc. Brian Fowler is on the show with us today. He is a distinguished figure in the telecommunications and web industry. He boasts an impressive career spanning 25 years, currently serving as the president and CEO of Security First International Holdings, Inc. He has steered his company to remarkable success over the past decade. Under his leadership, Security First has emerged as a trusted provider

of cutting-edge security products and services. With a strong foundation as a telecommunications engineer, Mr. Fowler seemingly transitioned into the realm of web development. He revolutionized the industry by introducing GoHoster, an intuitive website hosting platform designed specifically for beginners and novice web developers. The platform garnered widespread acclaim, earning recognition as an innovative solution within the industry. Welcome to the show, Brian. How are you? I'm doing well.

How are you, Chris? Thanks for having me. I am doing excellent as well. So you're here today, you're talking about your company, Security First International Holdings Incorporated, and then some of the things you're launching. So give us your.com so people can find you on the interwebs, please. So it's optobiz.ai. So it's optobiz.ai. So it's opto, O-P-T-O-B-I-Z.ai. There you go. And that'll be on the Chris Voss show if you want to hook that link up. So what are you doing over there? So OptoBiz is the actual, sorry, Chris, we're jumping in. OptoBiz is actually the product of Security First International Holdings Inc. So there is another web address for the actual company,

which is scfrholdings.com. There you go. Getting all the plugs in, that's important. So you guys have been building, started this company. How new is it? And give us a 30,000 overview of it, if you would, please. So the company, I've been president CEO of Security First for 10 years. We just recently launched the OptoBiz AI product last week,

which is where the focus has been for the last about 8 to 10 months. We've been focused on that particular vertical of technology. There you go. So what made you want to move into this space? What was the proponent that made you decide that this is the thing you want to move into this space like what was the proponent that made you decide that this is the thing you want to take and do well conversational ai started to really take uh flight with uh chat gpt so that was the first big one yeah that's the first one that came out and really got a lot of acclaim and uh started to uh create a user base around conversational ai

uh so we decided to go in and investigate ourselves about what the market would look like if we had a product in that market and try and get the usage that ChatGPT has garnered. As we have launched this and as we have been going through the development, we've really come to understand that people are looking more at the security aspects around AI.

Is AI secure? Is AI safe? And then you start to do some research and a deep dive and you start to learn about some scams and other things that have utilized conversational AI. So we're now trying to put together, or we are putting together a package within OptoBiz that's going to provide the security around our particular chatbot versus other ones that are out there. There you go. Well, before we get into that, tell us a little bit about yourself. Give us an origin story. What got you down this road? What got you working doing the Security First International Holdings and into this space? So back in 1998, I was a long distance reseller in Canada. It became a race to zero. So if you were trying to sell long distance in anywhere,

the prices were just going to zero. So there really was no margins left in there. So I tried to figure another way to be in the telecommunication business, maintain the margins and have my own telephone network. So I actually developed a VOIP network, which is Voice Over Internet Protocol, back in 1998. So it was probably one of the first VOIP platforms out there. So I grew that for four years, and then I started to need capital to scale it, to make it bigger. So I put together a business plan, started to put the business plan in front of some VCs. My business plan ended up on the desk of a gentleman named Michael Egan.

Michael Egan is the founder of Alamo Rent-A-Cars. He's founder of Nantucket Nectars. He put the first $20 million into the dot-com boom when he put $20 million into the globe.com. And the globe.com happened to be the highest return in IPO in NASDAQ history at the time. So the globe.com was in the business of trying to be a social network. They just ultimately were a little too early because the costs associated with building out something like a Facebook at that time was just not cost effective. You couldn't maintain it. The bandwidth was too much. Server costs were still high. So it just wasn't a viable business at the time. So as much

as the globe.com was the dot-com boom, it was also the dot-com implosion. So they raised a lot of money, couldn't do much with it. The company unwound, but Mike did not dissolve the company. He kept the company alive. So when my business plan ended up on Mike's desk, he gave me a call in Canada, had me fly down. So I met with him and he just drilled me for a few hours on what VOIP is, what we think the future of VOIP is. And much like this podcast, I don't know, I thought it went completely bad. I remember leaving that day saying, okay, well, that was your first go at it, and you're not getting anything out of it.

But ultimately ends up a week later, he calls me and he says, I think we have a deal to be done here. So I'm going, oh, nice. So then I end up moving to Fort Lauderdale, transitioning from Toronto to Fort Lauderdale, where he was based. Then we built out a VOIP company in the globe dot com where we were in pace with Skype for downloads on our application for the desktop telephony. So we were focused on software phones at the time. I know it seems a little archaic at this time, but back in 2002, 2003, it was new cutting edge stuff. So we focused on building that business. That business was around for, I believe, we wound that down in 2008. So at that point, I learned a lot from those years. We went through a lot of different permutations, a lot of different technologies. Mike always wanted to be on the forefront of all technology. So as the CTO of

the company, he had me out evaluating every different tech vertical as the phone network was doing its thing. Because he saw that there was going to be a point where we would have to pivot and transition into another technology, which ultimately we did. We became a registrar of domain names, dot travel. So the company did actually find another niche in tech and in web that it transitioned to. At that point, I transitioned out of the company myself. And then I started some of these projects.

GoHoster was the first project I actually created after leaving the globe.com. And then that spawned into Security First International. And within Security First International, we've developed and touched on a lot of different technologies as well. So I've just continued what I learned from the globe and extended that into Security First. And then that's where all of our technology assets are, where we incubate and we develop. I was going to say, you guys are an incubator. So this is great to get into these technologies.

So let's talk about the software. Who does it apply to? Is it for consumers or for business or both? And what does the software technically do? So it's a service. It's actually a service where you can use it within chat channels. And what it is and what it's designed for is to be an assistant to a human. It's not necessarily something that needs to be human facing. Because again, that's where some of the security issues

come in. But if you're someone like an attorney, and you need to get some information that might be readily quicker than going through the traditional channels, you could just communicate with the chatbot and then get information back instantly pertaining to what you're looking for. So it becomes an alternative knowledge base that you can use, but it's for the human support. It's not necessarily to have the customer engage it with the actual AI. It's for the human that needs an assistant. It becomes the assistant to the person doing the business.

Okay, so kind of like a virtual assistant, but AI. Correct, but not being actually used directly with the client. So if it's a company client, the company uses it as a tool to help with the client. So it keeps the company in the loop.

There you go. But does it interact at all with the client. So it keeps the company in the loop. There you go. There you go. So it, but does it interact at all with the customer? It can, but right now the way we're utilizing it is to keep a human in the loop just to keep the actual security aspect of it there. So if anyone is communicating, they know that it's a system of a human. So the chances of there being some malicious activity happening is minimized. There you go.

And you mentioned about security earlier. You know, I mean, we're seeing all sorts of weird stuff go on. And usually when a new industry pops up like this, there's issues with security because, you know, it's kind of like a Wild West sort of thing. What are some ways that you help enhance security and make it work? So we prevent indirect prompt injection. Indirect prompt injection is where when you utilize AI, you prompt the AI for the information you're looking for.

And if you're scanning a website, say, and there's malicious content on that website, and the AI looks at the website because it doesn't visually see the website, but it reads like a bot what the code is. If it gets back prompts that are malicious, then the AI spawns off into another situation that it wasn't intended to be in. So it also has a way of poisoning the actual model. So once these prompts are in there and it's learning these malicious prompts, then the AI will not be returning or utilized the correct way. So we're implementing strategies to prevent those things from happening. Now, how is this different than other AI virtual assistants or chat boxes? I know I'm not a big fan of chat boxes. How is this different than that?

It's very similar. But again, it's the way we were implementing it and the way we're doing our prompt engineering. So we're putting together packages of prompts that when you prompt the AI, it gives you the information you're actually looking for. So it kind of teaches you how to work with the AI, but in a secure way as well.

Definitely. And this might be better than maybe those forum bulletin boards that people send me to. And it's like, Hey, do you want to fix your problem? And then you're like,

yeah, I'm trying to have some customer service here. And they're like, here, go to this giant forum where you can read 10 million questions about why our product is broken. Yeah. And hopefully you'll find the answer you're looking for over there.

And I'm just like, are you serious? Like this is what we're doing now? So yeah, anything that can help dial up a better response. And then, of course, it operates 24-7, correct? Correct, correct. It makes the human more efficient. So if you look at it not to be afraid of, because there is security issues,

but if you're not afraid of it and you know how to utilize it and you can learn how to prompt it correctly, it will make you much more efficient of what you're doing. There's no doubt about that. There you go. Do you find that this is more popular and helpful than the other forms of AI virtual assistants? Again, we're in our infancy with it, so we're going to learn and then we're going to find out what we can do that's going to differentiate us from the others that are out there because everything is very similar. So at this point, you're going to have to just find what the differentiator is and then go in on that

and develop on that. And that's where we're focused on the security and the prompt engineering so we can make it a more usable tool for humans. You have some different examples on your website, some industry kind of sampling of how it can work and help. One aspect is banking law, real estate. You mentioned here that it can enhance security by helping detect fraudulent or detect and prevent fraudulent activities by analyzing customer behavior and transactional patterns. That sounds important because it can identify maybe people trying to hack into systems or accounts. Correct. That's exactly what that is.

If you start to see people doing different things outside of what the pattern is, then it throws an alarm, and then you can identify that with a human and say, okay, this is a differentiator in the pattern. Let's take a can identify that with a human and say okay this is a differentiator in the pattern let's take a look at this with a human eye instead of leaving everything to be automated because 100 automation 100 ai will be a disaster there has to be a human in the loop somewhere else this will be a runaway situation on us yeah because then you know somebody could

fake being me and go into my account. Correct. I mean, literally make you look like you are right now on the show talking, and people will be tuned into this, and it won't even be the Chris Vaughn show. They're looking at an AI version of it. Yeah, they're saying that's going to come. I don't know. I don't think they can make AI as funny and interesting as me, but there's still time. There's a lot of content out there to learn from, right?

There is. I mean, 14 years and 1,400 episodes. I've seen the thing that they do now with the deepfakes. I suppose you can deepfake. It always creeps me out. I tend to pick up on it. Okay. There's a static sort of what's the word I'm looking for

in English? There's a static sort of stanza or metronome that AI uses that is a giveaway. Like when I read stuff written by ChatTPT, unless it's been humanized and human edited, I can see the machine. And there's a certain staccato, there's a static nature to it that's very,

I don't know how to describe it. No, I understand. Yeah. It's devoid of emotion. staccato if there's static nature to it that's very i don't know how to describe it no i understand yeah it's devoid of it's devoid of emotion and and uh maybe i'll get better at that but yeah i can usually tell um so you have a few examples here real estate uh maybe lead generation qualification uh tell us a little about that because that's important to people you know everyone's always trying to generate more leads for business. In that way, it keeps it more efficient. And you can actually start to generate and bring more leads in and not lose as many leads. So it gives you an opportunity to bring the lead in, deal with the lead through AI.

And then when it comes to the point where the deal is closable, then that's when the human gets in and closes. So in that situation, it just helps manage the leads that come in. So there is communication. Because I've been in the lead business before too, when leads have come in and I haven't addressed them in time, the lead dies, it falls off, right? So this is a way to be able to address a lead in real time. And then when the lead gets to a point where it can be handed off to the human, it then gets handed off. But it it then gets handed off but it's already been warm the leads are warm lead now instead of just a cold lead at that point there you go i like this a lot better you know i my i have friends that have virtual assistants that they hire sometimes in other countries um and i guess it works fairly well for them but you know i've seen

different issues with it i you know i'm always concerned about having people that i can't get to with lawsuits or some sort of legal action if if they betray it you know whatever business we're doing um that i can't get to them uh and i would really rather have a virtual assistant i just really would um that's robotic or ai uh i can do the same sort of job because you know they're in my accounts you know and you know you're like hey do we do we give this person access to our accounts AI, they can do the same sort of job because they're in my accounts. You're like, hey, do we give this person access to our accounts? Some of my accounts are quite large. I've been around for several years.

My YouTube's been around since 2006. Do I want someone in there that could delete that thing just because they get angry because they didn't get their coffee this morning no that those those are big assets yeah you i would be very concerned about that you built those assets over that much time right so that's yeah my linkedin the same way my linkedin i think we've been on linkedin since almost the beginning

uh and uh you know we have a giant group over there 130 000 people we you know, I think I'm maxed out on everybody who can follow me. I think we have 60,000 following total over there. And there's people that give their LinkedIn access to stuff. And I'm like, there's not a way to give somebody like a below level thing to manage your account. And it's like, you know, there's a lot of people that use LinkedIn to lead generate. And it's like, I can't give anybody access to that because they can wipe it in a second. You know,

they can, I've heard a lot of ransomware stuff too. I mean, I've had friends that they've, they've hired some of these people off the internet that you're like, Hey, we'll rebuild your website. They got ahold of your website and your properties,

and then they ransom it. And you're just like, wow. Okay. That doesn't sound fun at all so i can see the security nature and having something that you have more control of as being an asset right right and you know the simplest way to do that is like you said just offer some privileges levels right so you you give different levels privileges that they can get to the account where it maintains a level of trust once you let someone in there. Yeah.

That's interesting. Yeah. And so anyway, that, you know, something like this could replace that sort of access because like with, like with LinkedIn, I can't, you can't make privileges on LinkedIn. I don't believe you can make them on YouTube either. And on my website, you know, you can make privileges, you know, you can set that up a little bit, but even then, you know, people can muck about if they want. And if they're getting to know your business, they're probably going to know, you know,

I mean, I think all my passwords and my social security and my birth date and just about everything you need to know about me is on the internet at this point. I mean, there's been so many hacks of so many accounts. I can't, it's a wonder. Have I ever lost an account uh our instagram account got hacked and it was quite large and we're still trying to get facebook to recover it and it was hacked by the chinese uh last we saw that it was being it was being sent uh we're being sent responses in chinese so whoever hacked it was you know from over there um and there's i

mean trying to get recourse on these social media companies to give a shit about anybody. You know, you're the product, so that's that. So 24-hour service, enhancing security, personalizing customer interactions looks like it's a great way to get people going back and forth. Streamlining is another aspect.

Tell us a little bit of this if you want to expand on some of it. On the streamlining? On streamlining operations and personalizing customer interactions and improving customer experience. How are ways to deepen your relationship with your customers?

Again, because I think you're more efficient with them. So if they have an inquiry or something that they need to have resolved in a manner that's quick, I think this gives access to that. It allows the employee to be able to handle the inquiry in a manner that, like you said, more humane. So they utilize the actual AI, get the information, and then relay that information in a more human-like manner. But it's more efficient for them to deliver the information because they get the information faster. So it's a resource to be able to handle inquiries

and streamline how, say, a customer service would work. There you go. What's your vision of what this might become? Are you kind of building now and let the customer help you shape it? I know Twitter was that way. Twitter pretty much, you know, there's just three idiots running in a clown car. And the world showed Twitter how to operate. Is that, not to say you guys are idiots.

Certainly, I don't think anybody could replace BizJack. And who's the other third one? or how to operate. Is that, not to say you guys really, it's certainly, I don't think anybody could replace BizJack and who's the other third one. But, you know, basically it's just an example of how customers told them how to shape the business.

Do you have a vision for what it may become or are you? There's going to be a lot of that. We're going to be analyzing the actual industry. We're going to be analyzing what others are doing and we're going to be learning. And the customer base, the businesses that we engage in, get feedback from, that will definitely go into how we evolve what we're doing and how we are going to differentiate ourselves in the space so we will definitely be learning uh where there's impediments or where there's growth and then we will design and build to either one that fits where we're at with where the development

of our where we are at the time there you go uh with your guys's uh company where you guys are doing incubators do you guys have other projects you're working on or is is all in on this one so we just went all in on AI. We've done some stuff in crypto. We've done some stuff in virtual reality. We've done some stuff in augmented reality. So all of those emerging techs, we've done some development in. So we have a little bit of a war chest there that if we see an opportunity

where we can accelerate some of these techs, we would definitely do that with a team. It's definitely going to make a new world, I think, with artificial intelligence. It's been amazing to me. I can't remember the numbers, but to see the escalation and adoption of chat GPT is kind of this lead that kind of emerged. To see the adoption of that in numbers of users compared to just about anything else in the tech space for new user adoption is just extraordinary. And I think this is a real revolution

for what the future holds for artificial intelligence. What are some of your thoughts on the overall vision of it? I think it's coming. I think it's going to be here. That's why we're focused on the security vision of it i think it's i think it's coming i think it's going to be here uh that's why we're focused on uh the security side of it because anything new uh you don't quite know what it can be used for right so uh back in the early days of the internet you know we put up a website that got hacked like you said like very quickly there was denial of service attacks there's this there's a lot of different things we're going to have to learn about before

we can say okay now it's the mainstream. It's also almost mainstream, but now we have to find out what some of the issues are. So it can be actually something that lives a lot longer than just a fad, right? So it actually turns into something that can be used in a manner that's productive. There you go. And and and you know a lot of people right now are kind of frightened of new jobs i think there's a term for it i heard the other day um they're frightened as to new technology and this has been going on for a million years i forget it originates there's a term that originates from it it's actually a group of people who were afraid of new sort of industry and farming the nanonites um and uh basically you know they saw

technology at the time what was technology for them as you know as an evil as a as a thing that was going to destroy you know their livelihoods their work and stuff and so a lot of people are kind of uh anticipatious is that a word? They're worried. They're definitely worried about where this future holds. You know, I've had friends that are PR agents. They're like, we're going to be out of a job. People that are in ad copy, where they're running marketing and stuff like that, we're going to be out of a job.

And then we've had other authors on the show that have talked about artificial intelligence, where, you know, yeah, it might write stuff better for us, but we're still going to have to edit it. We're still going to have to inject that human element to it. We're just actually going to become bigger editors than maybe ad copy creators and different things. And even then, you know, we're seeing all sorts of issues with it. You know, there's recently an attorney who used chat GPT. Right. issues with it you know there's recently an attorney who used chat gpt right right is his uh

his uh thing for him uh and he got scolded by the court hopefully he doesn't lose his license i don't know but it pulled like basically a lot of fake precedents from the internet and not even real cases so he was citing like garbage to the court and the court you know figure it out you know because that's what they do and uh you know so there's there's gonna be a lot of this and it i was reading something the other day too that the disinformation is probably going to grow pretty crazy uh here coming up with the where it's just going to make you know the internet's pretty much a giant disinformation pool and it's probably just going to grow that. I don't know. Any thoughts on any of that? No, agreed.

The data sets are going to have information in there that's not even qualified information. I agree. The internet, garbage in, garbage out, right? So whatever is being put in there, an AI is using as its data set to learn from, that's what it's going to regurgitate. That's what's going to come back.

So that's where, in the case of the lawyer, that was a little negligent on his behalf, right? So if you actually do use the tool for what it is, it would have made him efficient if he just would have went over the copy and taken care of what was wrong. But instead of actually using it for what it's there for, he wanted to utilize it as just removing himself where oh i don't have to do any work anymore just like people are saying i'm out of a job i'm out of a job he's saying i don't have to do work anymore i just hit chat gpt my job's done and he's like a happy hour at that point right so it's uh yeah it's interesting how people don't realize how to actually use it as a tool versus something to either replace themselves or you know just shortcut i mean it's a lot it's a big shortcutter for a lot of people most definitely you have to be able to uh like

you said go over you you bring up the uh the pr firms uh having chat gpt actually write you or our ai write you a press release it's straightforward. I mean, we have the prompt packs that we've engineered that brings back pretty good press releases. So in the state of conversational AI, it's how you form the prompts. You could come up with a series of prompts and feed it to chat GPT, and we're in the same industry, and you'll get back something different than if I came up with a series of prompts and brought the data back. So it's all about how you actually engineer the prompt to get the information that's accurate and right. If you're very generalized with the prompt, you're going to get garbage. But if you can actually drill down on the prompt and put the right information in, you'll get more accurate information out of that.

Yeah. I mean, the Internet's full of all sorts of disinformation between conspiracy theories, you know. I mean, the last thing you want to do is, you know, have something where you're telling your customers, I don't know, the world is flat, which is not true. As everyone knows, it's square. It's not round.

It's not flat. It's square. You know what? I'm going to do that right now. I'm going to ask the AI. Let's have a little test, if you don't mind. Yeah. I haven't to do that right now. I'm going to ask the AI. Let's have a little test if you don't mind. The Earth is square and aliens

are blue. They're green. Hold on one sec. Pick your conspiracy. Gravity is a real either. So there's that. I should make a prompt act around that. So the response is no, the world is not flat. There you go.

What about square? What about square? It's square. Everyone knows that. Everyone knows that. I've seen that from space. They basically Photoshopped it in space. Anyway, I'm just having fun here.

So anything more we need to know about what you guys are doing there at your company? Right now, we're focused on that, and we are a public company. So once AI starts to form a little bit more, we might go into the acquisitions of other AI companies. So that's kind of what we're trying to get done right now within AI is that we can develop our own product, launch our own product. And then once we start to get some traction with our product, use the company to acquire other AI projects and then become an incubator and a holdings of AI tech. There you go. There you go. So this would be pretty interesting. projects and then become an incubator and a holdings of AI tech. There you go.

There you go. So this would be pretty interesting. Do you take pitches if somebody has some pitches for your incubator, maybe? We are. So we're looking at different companies right now. And if we do get inquiries, we do take a look at it. Like I said, because we're public, it allows us to be able to offer some growth and some scale that if the projects do take off, the value of the company increases, share price goes up, and everyone is happy. There you go. So what's the best way people can reach out to you for both companies and talk to you about whatever they want to talk about?

So for the holding company, it's scfrholdings.com. And for the AI service, it's optobiz.ai. There you go. There you go. And the company is Security First International Holdings, Inc. The ticker is SCFR.

There you go. Well, this should be really interesting to see how this pans out and everything goes on. Thank you very much for coming on the show. Very insightful and talking about the future of artificial intelligence. Excellent. Thanks for having me, Chris.

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