The Chris Voss Show - The Chris Voss Show Podcast – Carolyn Wilman, Contest Queen, Sweepstakes Marketer and Author

Episode Date: April 23, 2023

Carolyn Wilman, Contest Queen, Sweepstakes Marketer and Author Contestqueen.com How to be a winner—in the contests you enter or in the game of life. Who says you can’t win’em all?! Learn Helene’s dynamic philosophy of successful living through positive thinking, and you too can enjoy rich rewards in terms of spiritual, physical, and material well-being. Contesting: The Name It & Claim It Game includes the following information: SPEC – a 4-step Law of Attraction formula and how to use it to win prizes—and in life Learn WINeuvers for WISHcraft using your WINgenuity Helene’s Three-Step Process for Success The Difference Between Desire & Knowing How Helene Won a Fully Furnished Home The Nuts & Bolts of Contest Mechanics – the basics Frequently Asked Questions New: The third edition is Helene Hadsell’s final revised edition of Contesting: The Name It & Claim It Game. Never before told stories, tips, notes, plus updates from Carolyn Wilman, aka The Contest Queen. Uncover your destiny—Learn how to create your own Blueprint. WIN GOLD! Discover Helene’s Fourteen Step program for being a Gold Medal winner.

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As always, we have the most interesting guests, interesting people on the show, and none of them are me. It's always the guests. That's why we have guests on the show, because after 14 years, you probably had it with me at this point. But I am kind of funny sometimes on good days. I think on leap years and other things like that. It depends on which part of the moon is in shade or whatever. Anyway, you know what the hell I'm saying. Anyway, guys, we have an amazing depends on the which part of the moon is is uh in shade or whatever anyway you know what the hell i'm saying anyway guys we have an amazing guest on the show before we get to her though as always kill your friends neighbors relatives uh you know go knock on their doors and

say have you heard of the chris voss show podcast and uh do you want to join uh tell them to go to youtube.com for test chris voss goodreads.com forward slash chris voss they have those books over there you do all that learning learning of it on that goodreads uh and then linkedin linkedin as well there's a big linkedin newsletter that thing goes out uh several thousand people or something it just grows all the time i can't keep track of it 130 000 people on the big linkedin group follow all those things and wherever you know chris voss is on the interwebages uh today we have an amazing woman on the show she's going to be talking to us about a bunch of her books and some of the work she does and uh she's very popular i'm seeing this on amazon she's got 452 ratings of this review or this book that uh it's been reviewed uh the book is called contesting the

name it and claim it game win ubers for wish craft carolyn willman is on the show with us today uh i believe her co-author on this was helene hatsell is that correct carolyn well actually helene was the author and uh before she passed she asked me to carry on her legacy because she knew she said to me no one else was going to teach maneuvers for Wishcraft unless I picked up her gauntlet. And it took me a little bit, but I finally did it. And now after being out of print for 30 years, a whole new generation can enjoy her teachings on how to win sweepstakes and in life. There you go. And she is a queen, Carolyn Willman is.

She has three crowns. I feel I haven't even gotten queendom. I'm missing out. So we're going to learn from her on how to become a queen. She wears three crowns. She's a sweepstakes teacher, a sweepstakes marketer, and a re-publisher who teaches others about mindset, marketing, and how to win in life in

sweepstakes. As the contest queen, she has taught others how to win millions of dollars in cash and prizes using her proven online entry system. As a digital marker, she created visual giveaways, allowing clients to connect with their clients in a fun and exciting way, which, you know, with my clients, it's just miserable. So we're going to learn a lot here. As an author, she writes her own books on winning, along with purchasing the rights from out-of-print mindset authors and reintroducing their books to a new audience.

Welcome to the show, Carolyn. How are you? Oh, I'm so excited to be here. I love sharing all this information with everybody because it's so fun. There you go. Well, this is exciting. And plus, you know, we mentioned some different things with marketing and other things. So this is going to be really broad ranging in everything we do. Give us your.com so people can find you on the interwebs. Well, if you want to learn how to win sweepstakes, you can go to contestqueen.com.

If you have a giveaway for your business and need some help marketing it, you can go to ideamajesty.com and coming soon um for all the republished books is the words for winning dot com website i'm so excited that's our big project this year there you go so let's start with the contesting the name it and claim it game uh winovers uh for wishcraft now does that play into your current company uh idea Majesty or Contest Queen? Well, it is Contest Queen. And actually, that's how Words for Winning came about. Because this is the only mindset book that also ties in giveaways. And Helene Hadsall knew because she wrote this book originally in the early 60s.

And the information was so different back then. People didn't want to hear about what a lot of people do now. They meditate, they visualize, they set goals. They didn't want to do that in those days. So she knew that if she wrapped those teachings, those metaphysical and mindset style teachings in how to win sweepstakes, people would read it. And she called it maneuvers for wishcraft. So people wouldn't say it was witchcraft. Ah, that's good because witchcraft is a whole different way of winning sweepstakes. I haven't explored that avenue yet, but i'm sure it's out there yeah we every black mass we uh you know sacrifice a virgin and a goat and uh then we buy a lot of

tickets i don't know that's a kid that's a joke people don't do that and at least yeah so she wanted to head it off at the pass and that's why she created the term wishcraft wishcraft so you're wishing for something with your right and and it's a there's there's a four-step method spec select it project it expect it collect it and um right and so you select your goal you project it out into the universe by visualizing you expect it by um living in the end result so assume it's already done and then you have the joy of collecting it and a lot of people talk about this now but this was something she had coined like i said well over um three decades ago wow she's ahead of her time yeah she was ahead of her time but there was a lot of teachers like she became friends with jose

silva and so she had a three-step technique and then after she had won a fully furnished home which she talks about in her book wow yeah she met jose and perfected it and came out with specs so she took her three-step technique and made it a four-step technique i I love this, man. 30 years ahead of her time. Was she, was that before the internet too? Oh, before, like, like I said, the first edition of her book came out in 1965. And so, yeah, she was way ahead of her time. She didn't even really enter giveaways online. It was mostly mail-in back in the day or in person or on the radio.

Those were the three methods that she used. And I was lucky enough to go visit her in 2008. And this is how I came to purchase the rights to her works is because I interviewed her on my podcast. I had a podcast back in the day before it was cool and I interviewed her and off-air I said to her can I come visit you and she said no and three days later she phoned me back and she said your spirit guides are so loud that you better come see me and I thought well that makes sense I'm loud in real life so you know par for the course and I

went down to see her and that's when she said I think you need to teach um my stuff because at that point she realized her grandchildren uh two of her children had already passed and her grandchildren weren't going to do it oh and if she didn't hand it off to someone it was going to die with her oh no and then yeah that was 2008 and then of course i had um my whole business and everything we took a nosedive and it wasn't until 2019 that i thought you know her son her son who who owned her you know was the president of her business i thought if i don't get ahold of him and do this now, if he passes, it'll definitely, I'll lose the opportunity. So I finally did it. And then it's one breadcrumb follows the next. This is why I tell people just keep following those breadcrumbs because you don't know where they're going to go. I had a problem with Amazon and the

copyright page because I had written it out the way she did and they said I had to update it and in my panic I started contacting all her previous publishers to make sure that they still didn't hold any copyright and I ended up getting a hold of her second publisher who is currently still alive and living in Florida and who had been friends with her and Jose Silva for many years. And it turns out he's also getting, you know, up there and he's a bit ill. And I said to him, well, who's maintaining your legacy? And so I bought the rights to his books so he can ensure that they can continue. And that's how I had to come up with a new website for this year, because I thought I have nowhere to put these books.

They don't belong on the sweepstakes website and they don't belong on the marketing website. I better have a book website. There you go. And you, you've got a lot of books. Do you want to plug some of these books? Well,

I started with my own and I wrote, you can't win if you don't enter pretty obvious then i wrote how to win cash car strips and more and then i've republished all four of helene's uh books which she also wrote in contact with other realms and uh confessions of an 83 year old sage so when i tell people i wrote that, they look at me and they're like, wait, what? You're not that old? And then she wrote a fiction book called A Man Called Friday,

which is kind of fun. And it's pretty good for a first crack at fiction because fiction writing is completely different than nonfiction. And what's amazing, and this is something I would like all your listeners and viewers to learn she decided in her 70s to take a fiction writing class wow and she finished this book in her 80s wow so it doesn't stop keep going like if you find something interesting you're never too old to you know pick up a pen or a paintbrush or a camera or whatever it is your heart desires, you're still here. Go. Go. Go. It's, you know, that brings up a good point. That was one of the

reasons I really enjoyed writing books is because I'm like, you know, the nice thing about writing books is it's not like, you know, you got to go on marathons or like do construction. Like you can just kind of sit and type stuff. It's a little bit easier on the old bones there. I'm like, I can probably do this till I die. So now I just got to write something else, but this is pretty cool what you've done. Um, tell us a little bit about the, uh, for the spec, a four step law of attraction formula and how to win prizes, uh, and life. Well, this is great because spec doesn't just have to be used for sweepstakes. Now, Helene used it to teach people how to win sweepstakes, but really you can use it for anything because the process is identical. You need to select it. Now, you got to be sure you

really want it. A lot of people say, I really, I want to win the lottery. Well, the question I always ask people is who wants to win the lottery? Why do you want to win the lottery well the question i always ask people is who wants to win the lottery why do you want to win the lottery one of my personalities wants to win it right i want to buy a house or they feel like they'll be more whole if they win the lottery well be more whole first and then focus on the money or if you want a house say well i want to win the lottery because then i want a house well focus on the house and don't worry about how the house counts what if you inherited or what if you buy you know you find one at auction that's in your budget or who knows i just moved into an empty one on my block right i'm just kidding don't do that folks yeah don't do that in her third book the name uh

confessions of a 83 year old sage she talked to dr joseph murphy and he told the story about how he manifested a home a fully furnished home um he inherited it oh wow and but he he had nothing he was living in a he was renting a room in like a boarding house and he was visualizing he was doing he'd selected it he was projecting it and he was expecting he didn't know when it was going to show up and eventually he manifested a house but he wasn't worried about how it was going to show up a lawyer ended up knocking on his door one day and said, Hey, you inherited this.

Some lonely old lady loved listening to you on the radio and had nobody else to give it to and thought you could, you would enjoy the house. There you go. Hey, just a side note here. If you've been a follower of the Chris Voss show and you'd like to estate gift,

the show house and particularly me feel free anytime or anything else you want to take giveaway we'll probably take except for teenagers and children that we know we're not taking those so anyway go ahead i'm sorry i just had right yeah they you know you you'd never know where it'll come from so don't block it and so yeah select it so make sure it's what you really want okay and then project it. You visualize it. This is where a lot of people daydreaming is good or you can visualize it. A lot of people like making vision boards.

It's kind of a fun activity to do. And so you can just visualize the end result. So, for example, in one of the books, Helene had her husband. She wanted to win a microwave oven because that was the big thing back in the day and she had her husband uh build an extra counter space in her in their cabin ready for the microwave because she knew it was coming there you go just already prepared for it wow she was getting the you know the energy ready for it and then expected as she knew it was coming so for example if you had won 10 million dollars and you took the check to the bank and

you put it in and they said okay this is a big check it's going to take you know 60 days to clear our accounts you would be excited and anticipatory the whole 60 days. You knew it was there. You're just waiting for it. Oh, right. So it's same thing. You're just expecting it. You're just waiting.

There's just this time gap. Oh, well, I'll just keep going on about my life while I'm just waiting for this to get here or to open up and then collect it is actually getting it. But I, and I always thought this was the easiest process. I like collecting part.

I figured out that some people even have trouble receiving compliments or payment. I had this happen to me. I had some sample books come in, and someone said to me, how much are they? And they were a family friend. And I said, Oh, don't worry. It's here.

You're a family friend. And they said, no, no. And they pulled out some money out of their wallet. And I, they said, how much?

And I said, well, it only cost me this much to print them. So I'll take that much. And they're like, no, no. How much do you sell them for?

Like a few, I went to Amazon and bought one. And I said, well, they're this much. They're $20. But I said, I'll just take,

I'll take half. I'll take 10. And then I realized, well, they're this much. They're $20. But I said, I'll just take half. I'll take 10. And then I realized, oh, my gosh, the universe was teaching me a lesson right there. They were giving me the money. And I said, no. And I didn't even notice it because I was putting my, you know, and I always say yes now. That's usually what I say when anyone wants to give me money. I'm like.

Yes. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. Yes. Jack Canfield. I was called that leaving money on the table. Exactly. Leaving money on the table. Yeah.

Don't leave money on the table. And it's funny. Cause it's sometimes it's insidious. You, you do things and then you see it after. And in the past, I wouldn't even have noticed it, but only because I've been studying that I realized what

I had done. And it's funny because even when you do this work, you think, oh, I know this stuff. Oh, no, you don't. You get, get taught. That's why I love doing this and teaching people all these things because, um, it's all, it's all layered teachers learn on you know books like helene's have been around for well over 100 130 years well you know people back in the day were reading wallace waddles and james allen and florence shovel shin and now they're reading people like well helene's back but you know joe dispenzaza and Joe Vitale and all these other teachers, they are all building one on top of another. And sometimes you just need to hear it a different way before it clicks. That's why business books are so popular.

Some of them are teaching the same things as other books, but when you hear it a certain way, it clicks. Yeah, and plus, you know, you're starting a business it clicks. Yeah. It's a, and plus, you know, you're, you're starting a business is kind of a way of,

uh, of mind setting, kind of wishing something into existence. I mean, you put in the work of course, but, uh, I mean, you're kind of creating something for nothing.

You're kind of making, you got that dream and you're like, Hey, let's, uh, mindset to do a new entrepreneurisms business. Well, it's true. Like, don't get me wrong.

You can't just wish. I know she called it winovers for Wishcraft, but you don't really just wish it. Yeah. She had to enter the contest to win the microwave. You know, she didn't just sit there and dream about it. She actually took the steps. It's like you said with a business. Go and register. Get a business, you go and register,

uh, get a business license, go and open a business bank account, get someone to make a website, get a logo, get, you know, believe it or not.

I still like to have business cards cause I hand them out. And cause you never know. And those, except now they have QR codes, a little fancier than the than the old days qr codes are pretty they're making a comeback i think they're starting to be integrated somebody i saw something that they might be replacing uh up upc seals you know upc codes they put on the back of oh that would be interesting because that's actually one of the things companies use to to um have you enter sweepstakes they'll say give us the upc code

off this product ah so if you bought it disappear how will the sweepstakes just change i don't know uh i don't know how how soon is i just saw an article about how there's a great potential for it or people are testing it or something. So maybe a while before they get around to it. You know, that UPC code thing's been around so long. It's hard to replace something like that, really. But it might be a great way to integrate what you're talking about, contests and other things, too, as well. Well, they are used all the time.

In Helene's day, you had to send what they called qualies, qualifiers, and you'd be a box top or a label or later on it was the UPC code, you know, cut it off the package or do a hand-drawn facsimile of one. And I came into the hobby at the tail end of that because I also enter as a hobby. That's how I got so good at it.

I was a marketer that started entering sweepstakes and I could see all the mistakes and i came up with a system to win and then i taught other people how to do it there you go some people have even surpassed me because now i'm so busy doing other things i'm not entering as much every day as i should as i should be to keep up my winnings there you go um so uh so a lot of people are going to learn A lot of cool things from the name it And claim it game Do you want to plug your other two books that you wrote? Well I have

You can't win if you don't enter And how to win cash, cards, trips and more That one is where I take you step by step To walk you through the whole Sweepstakes system Where you don't get an email address Just for entering sweepstakes and always read the rules i ended up sumo wrestling someone once because i skimmed the rules and didn't understand it's gonna have to sumo wrestle somebody for the grand prize i lost

spoiler alert um yeah i had to wrestle someone about your size. Physically? You're talking physically? Yeah. Wow. It was at a, it was at the infield of a, uh, car race in the Indy. And it was 104 degrees out in a sticky vinyl suit that didn't fit. And I got munched. I've seen myself lately.

It's a, I'm quite the big guy. So, uh, I wouldn't never advise fighting me. Although the best thing to do if you, if you're going to fight me is just, uh, give me a run,

uh, to chase you. And, uh, I'll probably pass out after like 10 feet. So there's that. Isn't that the adage where, out after like i don't know 10 feet so there's that isn't that the adage where you know i don't have to run um if you're getting chased by a bear and there's somebody else there i don't have to be the fastest i just have to be faster than you

that or you just trip them that's my key in life you trip them and let the bear work it out you know and then you you know you sorry, it was one of us, and it was probably going to be you anyway, so we're just going to roll with that. So there you go. So we've touched on this concept. You have the contestqueen.com. This is pretty interesting.

And so you go around, you focus on doing these things. What have we touched on on the contest screen part of what you do? I think we've got it, you know, and I'll give them my top three tips. Like I started get an email address just for entering sweepstakes. I started with my work one, so not cool. Then I started. Sorry about that. I got something in my throat.

My winner winner chicken dinner. There you go. Tumblr. Email address just for entering sweepstakes. Then always read the rules. Like I said, I end up sumo wrestling somebody once. And then use a sweepstakes aggregate because they aggregate all the sweepstakes together in one place. It makes it easy for you, saves you a ton of time.

They've pre-vetted everything. And I have an entire list on my website. It makes it easy for people. There's different formats. I tell people that want to become sweepers, poke around, find a format you like. When you're having fun, that's when you win. If it feels like work, yeah, stop. That's not the energy that is going to bring you the grand prize. There you go.

And do you teach people on that site how to run their own sweepstakes? Is it their business? Do they want to use marketing and sweepstakes? I noticed Rafflecopter is on your site. We used Rafflecopter back in on your site uh we use raffle copter back in the day in fact you just reminded me the existing we haven't used it for a long time but we used to do raffles as well do the sweepstakes giveaway thing yeah actually that's part of the redesign i'm also redesigning contest queen and all of anything marketing based um i've

mostly moved it over to my uh sweepakes marketing website, which is Idea Majesty. And that's where I work with companies mostly to viral market their sweepstakes. They've already done all the work and they just need to get the word out. And I know everybody, I call myself the hub of all things contesting. So I can get the word out. And it's amazing that I don't have some of the numbers some of the other sites may have but it's I know how to get the word out and I can get the the entries in so on average I'll get a company two to ten times the entries um in a couple of days wow where yeah where it's it's amazing and i'm pretty proud of that because i just have the connections i'm i've been a part of the sweepstakes community for over 20 years and so people trust me when i say hey go enter the sweepstakes they know i vetted it it's

legitimate i won't post anything i've had companies come to me and i go yeah your your official rules aren't proper you need to get them written by a promotional lawyer and then I'll post it. So I don't post anything that, you know, I wouldn't enter or I would warn people to be cautious about entering. So just like I tell people to always read the rules and make sure, you know, make sure you follow them, companies have to make sure their rules are locked tight and follow them. Did you ever watch the documentary McMillions? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, about McDonald's and the whole.

Right. Now, do you remember what happened? I jumped out of my seat. We were watching it. And when the attorney general said we were taking them to court because they didn't follow the official rules, I was like, I knew it. Because rules, believe it or not, are a document in favor of the sponsor of courts that would stand up in a court of law. Yeah. And it's a contract between the entrant and the sponsor.

People don't really understand the weight of those official rules until you see a documentary like McMillions. That's why I tell companies, you know, even if it's simple rules, if you're giving away small things on Instagram, just make sure you have a rules outline. As a small business, sometimes I don't have a budget to do these big giveaways. I remember one time I was cleaning my office and I had all these lucky branded items, all these things about luck from one of the sweepstakes conventions. Yes, there are sweepstakes conventions. I'm going to the next ones in July

in Scottsdale, Arizona, where hundreds and hundreds of sweepstakers get together and we have speakers and we get, they give away prizes and it's, it's a lot of fun. Wow. It's like a whole convention for it. It's a whole convention. And 2024 is supposed to go to Vegas.

I don't have any details yet. I'm so excited. Vegas is always a great place. So this is, this is really interesting and important for businesses. I remember when we were doing our sweepstakes and raffle coffer back in the day, we had to make sure we had our stuff right and make sure we had all the rules and the systems and how it worked and the language was really important because if you're vague, people are like, well, you just said everybody gets one, buddy.

So you had to be careful about that. Let's move on to Idea Majesty. Talk to us about what you do. Well, that is Idea Majesty. I know. I wear too many crowns. There's a lot of crowns going on. I know.

So that's where I work with companies and getting them and making sure they have the rules and all that. And like I said, you don't have to do it. You don't have to. If you're just doing a small Instagram giveaway, like after one of the sweepstakes conventions, I was cleaning out my office and I had all these things with four leaf clovers and lucky and all these kinds of things. And I thought, I'm not using this now. I literally bundled them up into different packages, photographed them from the floor, you know, face down, put them on Instagram and gave them away. And the only cost to me was mailing the prize packs out. And I just had really simple rules, you know, who is eligible to enter? Where was it? When did it close? How many? How did you how to enter? You know, whether it's, you know, tag a friend or comment or it's unlimited tags or whatever it is, you got to be really clear. And then, of course, the clause that Instagram likes, you know, this isn't in any way sponsored by them.

If you have a really clear set of rules for small business, that is, you know, I didn't need to pay a promotional lawyer to do that, to give away something that I had in my office for free. Now, large companies, you know, when the fortune 500 companies, when they're giving away cars or trips, you know, these big ones, yeah, they have lawyers that write those out and make sure they're, they're locked down and you have to read all the clauses to make sure that you're, you know, checking all the boxes when you're entering. Yeah, that's really important because then you get like class action lawsuits and all that sort of stuff.

So that's good that you do that. Let's turn to your third crown. I think that's the newest crown you're working on. Tell us a little bit about that. So that's when I realized it's funny because I started with Contest Queen and then my marketing side of my business grew. And I thought, OK, I can't keep the marketing on Contest Queen anymore. I built Idea Majesty. And I had a niggly little feeling at that time that there was still a third business in me.

I just didn't know when and I didn't know where. And only this year when I bought tag the rights to tag powell's books and um he is a mindset author he wrote think wealthy he he wrote uh money and you and he wrote a uh silva mind mastery book oh this is where he ties back into Helene because they were both friends with Jose Silva and Tag published Helene's second edition of the Name It and Claim It game. Oh, wow. And I had sent him copies of her books and he was amazed because the publishing technology has changed drastically since, you know, the 60s when Helene started writing and the 80s when Tag was writing. I mean, it's like night and day. And so he was amazed at how, you know, how the printing is now

and how the covers and the graphics, it's so different. And so when I asked him if I could do his books, he was happy because he knew I would take care of his work and make sure a whole new audience saw it. But, of course, those books don't, can't live on Contest Queen because they're not, there's no sweepstakes tied to them. And they're not marketing related. So I thought, okay, this is the third business I knew I had to start. And so I came up, because I like winning in life and winning sweepstakes, I thought, okay,

I'm going to do a play here. And Helene, if you read any of her books, she loves her word play. So I kind of embodied a little bit of Helene and came up with words for winning. Right? Because you want to win in life and win in sweepstakes and do that. So then all the books are going to live there now. It's in the author site. And then who knows, I don't think it's going to end with those three authors, with Helene Hadsall, Tag Powell, and Judith Powell. I have a feeling I'll be publishing more. There you go.

I like this idea. I mean, does it cost a lot of money to find old books that maybe are, do you find them there out of print? Or does it cost a lot of money to buy the rights for someone's book that if it's been out of print or, um, does it cost a lot of money by the rights for someone's book that if it's been out of print for a while or something? Well, starting, first of all, I've stumbled across these ones. They kind of stumbled across me. I haven't gone hunting specifically.

They just kind of occurred. Um, I think it costs a fair amount of money, but my budget is probably smaller than other people's. Uh, but it's, it's not bad. I mean, I, I pay what I think is a fair amount, you know, tag says, you know, um, I said, tag, what do you want for the books? And he gave me an insanely high number. And I said, yeah, that's, that's not possible. Here's what I can do.

And he said, okay said okay wow I mean I try to be fair you know like what what's fair not to be in you know so something I can afford but not be you just have to go with your gut and I did and it worked there you go um you know it's interesting to me uh how I mean that that's just basically you're setting up to win. You're putting yourself in the position to win by, you know, you never know how it's going to turn out. And hopefully it turns out well. And it seems like you pulled that off quite a bit. So the work is in your proof or the proof is in your work.

Well, so far, and we're doing exciting things too. Like I'm finally in a position that I'm turning uh helene's this book the name and claim again into an audible version it's taken some time so i'm working on that and then i'm also getting requests for other languages so we're starting to investigate the um the process of turning it into a spanish edition which is the language i get asked the most for. So I'm slowly, you know, doing that while I'm publishing these other books because I'm not busy enough. There you go. Yeah. You've got a lot of time on your hands. You're doing good with it. That's pretty awesome. That's why I'm not winning as many sweepstakes as I'd like, because I'm not

spending, you know, I used to spend an hour to two hours a day entering every day and sometimes I'm lucky now if I get 10 minutes. But I still win. The other day I won tickets to a tribute show to see a tribute of Super Tramp. So we're going on date night

and yes, the little things, they're fun. And I love it when the surprise smaller prizes they just show up in the mail like you don't even know you won they just show up you're like oh what's this yeah but most of the time you do have to fill out a release form and send it back or respond on email or respond you know somehow on instagram or whatnot wow it. It's, it's wild, man. So people are going to learn so much from reading your books and,

uh, getting involved with some of the other things. What's the best way for people that are interested in working with you or, or in any capacity, uh, to reach out to you? Well, just,

and it depends on what you want. If you want to learn how to win sweepstakes, it's contest queen.com. I have free resources there to get started. I have a free sweepstakes starter kit and five steps to begin winning and then idea majesty uh for anything marketing related i have a contact us button there and words for winning is still being built we have a landing page for now of my webmaster's heart at work and i'm so excited to reveal that site but we have a lot of books to put on there first.

That'll be cool. I mean, that beautiful part about our podcast, it takes about 90 days for everyone to fully consume it and do all the downloading and then they listen to it and stuff. So, you know, by then you'll probably have the website up and ready to go. It might be.

I don't know. We haven't had our team meeting yet this week. Well, people will be watching for it. Well, this has been wonderful and insightful, Carolyn, to have you on the show. And hopefully people can figure out how to win at all these different things that you've outlined. And I love your ideas and concepts and very positive experience. Oh, thank you so much. I love sharing all things winning with everybody.

Keep on winning. That's the real key. Give me all your dot coms so people can find you on the interwebs. Contestqueen.com, ideamajesty.com, and wordsforwinning.com. There you go. Thank you very much for coming on the show. Thanks so much for tuning in. Go to

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