The Chris Voss Show - The Chris Voss Show Podcast – Charles Warner and Innovation Tech Talks Podcast

Episode Date: June 24, 2020

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Hi folks, Chris Voss here from thechrisvossshow.com, thechrisvossshow.com. Hey, we're coming to you with another great podcast. Hey, a few weeks ago I appeared on my good friend's show, maybe a month or two ago, Charles Warner, and he runs a podcast for Innovation Tech Today. He has several different iterations of his magazine, you want to check that out. And this is his second podcast episode that he had me on as a guest, Innovation Tech Talks. So you may want to check out his podcast, et cetera, et cetera. I'm sure there'll be links in the upcoming audio.

He's a good friend of mine. And I basically said, hey, you mind if I just carbon copy that whole episode we did and share it with my listeners? And basically make it a podcast. So what you're going to hear is him interviewing me on his podcast on my podcast. So I hope you enjoy the show. Be sure to check it out. Be sure to check out his links. Hey, everybody. Welcome to another episode of Innovation Tech Talks. You are chopping it up with Chuck, and we are here today with a very special guest. We have with us Chris Voss, one of the Forbes top social media influencers,

and a friend of Innovation and Tech Today from way, way back. God, since like our first issue five years ago. How you doing, Chris? Wait, I think you sent me somebody really cool. Have you been, man? Welcome to the Innovation Tech Today podcast. I'm doing good, man. It's good to see you.

I miss you. We haven't been doing any shows, so we don't get to bump into each other at shows anymore, at least for this year, because all the shows are kind of there. I miss going to the shows and picking up my copy of Innovation Tech today. First of all, let's tell the audience who you are,

because they're listening right now, and they're like, okay, who is this Chris Voss guy? Tell the people what are you doing what's going on let them know who this this chris voss is the real chris you know according to my psychologist i'm still trying to find myself so i'm not sure what sort of data i can give you uh but uh what does the chris voss do let me ask myself uh maybe i can get one of my personalities to kick in here uh the chris foss uh is a social media god that four dollars to get you a a cup of coffee um i am a massive content creator i suppose can you say that i don't want to use the word influencer because it's become so douchey to say i'm an influencer um but basically i produce a lot of content i make a lot of noise on twitter facebook and linkedin combine all my groups and everything i manage and control our audience is about 400,000

people um the uh i you know i've got a lot of accolades. Like when you mentioned top 100, top 20, most retweeted, top 50s, Forbes influencer. There's all sorts of different accolades that I get every year. But really, I'm a person with an opinion. We have about eight podcasts that we run on thecvpn.com or chrisvosspodcastnetwork.com. We have a pop biz podcast. We have the Chris Voss Show. We have The Resistance Radio, which is political. We have Startup Unicorn, which talks about tech startups that are either becoming unicorns or unicorns and how they got there.

There's the Book Author Podcast. There's so many of them i can't even remember anymore the chris voss show podcast is our is our flagship our mothership if you will you know it's got the hundreds of thousands of downloads and and i think we're almost 500 episodes uh it's been around for a billion years ch Chris Voss Gaming Podcast, Crypto Life Podcast, Spatial Computing Podcast, plug, plug, plug, plug, plug. And then, you know, I command a pretty good audience across several accounts on Twitter, huge 135,000 commercial business group on LinkedIn that I built from zero.

I think it was like 60,000 followers or something on LinkedIn. So you've got a big following and you are cranking out content and you're in the tech space, tech, business. Basically, you could say I have a big following and a big mouth. And it might be that I have a big mouth and therefore I have a big following. That might be the sequence of events. So there you go. And right now I'm up in Utah working on a book, helping my mom make sure she survives this pandemic because she's asthmatic and

in her seventies. So what I want John right now is make sure she doesn't die. Yeah. Yeah. This is a weird time right now uh with the the pandemic we've got uh you know we're about here in colorado we're about six weeks into give or take maybe five weeks into the stay at home um they're starting to you know they're starting to kind of i think talk, talk about opening things up. I'm just guessing because I'm not an expert or anything, but I think in the next few weeks here in Colorado, they're going to start opening up certain things, you know, as long as you wear a mask and everything. So we're, at least for the first phase of this, we're kind of, you know, we're like a

groundhog sticking his head out of the ground and we're just, maybe we might have six more weeks or maybe we're going to get out and get back into the real world. But you were talking earlier about events. We go to a lot of events. Our magazine is at events. You're always running around with the camera crew, podcasting from events. You do a lot of publicity for different brands that are there. Um,

what do you think is up with events in the near future? And, and do you see even at the end of this year, do you see us having, you know, some of these really big events like Cedia and CES, or is it just kind of, it depends on how it goes. It's going to really depend upon how soon testing gets to us. Dr. Fauci today said we might be able to have 5 million tests a day or be able to get everyone tested by June. So I'm going to call that July.

There's the SEMA show that's at the end of the year that's in September. I don't think they can get that put together quick enough. I think the only big major show that has a chance at rerunning again in its usual format is probably the cs show and at that point we would have to supercharged super um you know gone full nuclear on getting testing and getting quick test turn around you know where you can instantly take a test and know. I think for masks, we're going to be wearing masks for the next one to two years, so just buckle up and seat in.

In Utah here, evidently a portion of that new CARES Act makes it so that states can set up a website and give away masks to people that need them uh and evidently the states uh it makes it so they have funding to get masks made locally but you know the sad thing is is you know we we went on the site to get some masks fortunately we have some but we went on the site to check it out and the site's you know inoperable because you can't you can't even get it to load because everyone's hitting it um i haven't tried it this morning yet but uh but that's a good thing we get everyone wearing masks um and you know i just kind of think of well you know we're just like

beijing or south korea now where and i think uh hong kong you know, you saw Beijing, their air is so bad, they wear the mask just normally, you know, just for their hair. And so that's kind of the lifestyle of, you know, what we have to be now is we're all wearing masks. Do you think if they're going to be testing everyone at, let's just take CES, for example, and let's say they're able to have it. You've got people coming in from all around the world, you know, 150,000 people. I'm sure it would probably be less if they do have it this year. Do you think that they'll have the, you know, the temperature scanners and they'll, you know, before people can even get in? Yeah, masks and temperature. You may have to, like, get, like, a doctor's note.

Getting in is probably going to be an epic nightmare. masks and you have to get a doctor's note getting in it's probably going to be an epic nightmare we should probably talk to our good friend Gary who's been on my show a few times has Gary been on your shows? no he's been in the magazine not on the podcast

you should get him on the podcast I'll reach out to him if you want but they're probably going to have to have just massive Not on the podcast. Yeah, you should get them on the podcast. I'll reach out to them if you want. But they're probably going to have to have just massive testing at the doors. There's going to be lines to get in. You know what they should do? Evidently, this year is supposed to be the year that they have the massive upgrade to Las Vegas' Sands and stuff, which is probably sad because they spent billions of dollars to do it now the city yeah there's the new west uh so they had north central and south

and there's that new west hall that's supposed and evidently there's an underground too from what i understand i think it has something to do with elon musk thing and so evidently there's going to be some underground transportation where you can zip around. And evidently one of the nice things about that would be so you didn't always have to go to the Sands all the time or over to the Venetian, which I would like. I get tired of hopping around all the different hotels. Please just give it to me all in one place. But it may be a smaller event this year, too, when you really think about it this is actually the flip side of that it just occurred to me because the economy because of people purchasing there are probably it'll probably be a smaller show just from the factors of economics though there'll be that as well you know i've already been talking to a lot of people that

we do product reviews in the chris voss show that is the other thing that chris voss show does is review products um and um i've already talked to people that are saying, hey, we're cutting back our marketing. And I'm like, okay, man, that's never the thing you want to do in a recession. But, you know, there are places where you have a little fat you can cut. You don't cut marketing in a recession. This is dumb. It's the worst.

They call it the kiss of death. It is the kiss of death. You cut marketing, you're fucked. I mean, you you know i realize you want to keep people's jobs and i i've had to fire lots of people at a time over economic downturns it's not fun it's not pretty it still scars me this day but uh if you can keep your marketing going your sales going then you can rehire those people back uh and uh all the good stuff and so i've had some people talking about how they're cutting back marketing they're cutting back reviews and i'm just like that's stupid because right now my youtube channel and the chris voss show are kicking it because everyone's stuck at home

so you know what they're doing they're watching youtube reviews they're watching product profiles they're watching the chris voss show and the charles warner innovation tech today show they are consuming this media now before you know they were watching our shows but they were just kind of like yeah i got things to do like go to arby's and and uh you know go to a concert no sports thing no man these people are trapped in their homes they're watching online media so if you're a marketing company or a company that uses marketing which i don't know why i said that just about every company should why why would you be a company that wouldn't or we don't use marketing hey tesla doesn't do any

marketing well uh then you know the crazy shit Elon Musk says online, I guess that's marketing. So, you know, basically, your business needs to be more online than ever before, and you need to be putting out this content and working with content producers like me and Innovation Tech today, getting people exposed to your product,

because I got to tell you, a lot of people pulled back, and innovation tech today, getting people exposed to your product. Because I got to tell you, a lot of people pulled back, and that's the dumbest thing to do. But if you move forward with it and push your marketing, you're going to stick out even more because you're the person making all the noise. And like right now, you know, one of my favorite products that I've talked about, I made a post, I think, today that's gone out where I'm talking about my Master and Dynamic headphones, which I love. And I'm talking about the IFI, if you don't mind me plugging some products in your show, the X-Cans X-Series. I'd show it to you, but it's part of the setup here.

I see that MXL microphone you're talking into there. The MXL microphones we like. Shout out. up here but it's a i see that mxl microphone you're talking into there the mxl microphones we like um but the x can the x can uh i-fi series uh it's a it's a uh booster for my uh audio and it's a it's a dac built into it and this is getting me through the thing and this is what people need i mean you know you know how many parents need headphones right now? Like really nice headphones, especially A and C headphones? You're trapped in your house with your family for a month or two. You need A and C, man. I mean, there's only so many times you can watch Frozen 2

before you're going to start losing your utter freaking mind, man. You need to be blasting the Metallica and your headphones and working away on the computer. And then, you know, I mean, they burn the house down. You're like, hey, Lisa, sounds great, man. So what is, yeah, by the way, I also saw, I mean, you're absolutely right.

People are home and they're streaming. They're online. They're reading advertising. They're reading, they're reading advertising. They're probably reading your guys' magazine more than ever before. Cruising your website. They're, they're bored.

Yeah. All the, all the digital stuff is spiked. Podcasts have spiked. You know what else is funny too? Uh, it used to be dumb to get mail, direct mail,

uh, you know, get magazines at home or whatever. We've, we've got a captive audience, literally. You literally have a captive audience. So we've seen an increase in subscriptions to print magazines. Yeah. I mean, you're going to reread the magazine

because what else are you going to fucking do? You're going to read the shampoo bottle. I mean, you're going to read whatever you can. Yeah. And we sell a lot of product on the Chris Voss Show. Our sales are up. And I thought they would be down because of the recession, but they're actually up because people are bored as shit and they want stuff that's going to make living at home in hell better. And so they want to buy stuff.

And so they're buying stuff now more than ever. Even like goods like I had one of these even good like cooking goods are selling really well now. Right. Because people are home cooking shit. If I was a cooking company, I'd be like marketing the shit out of my products right now. Survivalist stuff like we had some a lot of our videos that have been doing well our survivalist video so we had like this solar oven by go sun that we reviewed and that's getting a lot of hits because people are like hey man if this goes the apocalypse we

got to figure out how to cook shit without you know power yeah you know going all bear grills and everything yeah yeah like any product uh even uh you know i'm seeing a lot of marketing from uh death wish coffee which is one of my favorite coffee makers they uh they're marketing the hell out of it but anything you can do to realize you have this captive audience it is awesome my podcast is up my youtube's up people are looking at my shit online because they can't go to the next game they can't go to the readers game right right they're stuck in the house people are also emotional right now and when it comes to marketing and it comes to you know sales you know the emotive sale you know getting people uh to emotionally

connect with your brand or connect with your product is huge because at the end of the day you know stats and and metrics and you know things like that or whatever but if they feel connected to your brand and you're reaching out and connecting with them right now you know you might have a you might have a customer for life And this is the best time to get that needle in the arm. They're, they're trapped at home. I mean, we amped up all of our podcast stuff. Um, and like I say, people are still buying products. You would think that, you know, with all layoffs and everything else, people wouldn't buy products, but they're, they're still going to be a large part of this market. That's going to have money and they can't go spend it at the mall. They't go you know i don't know about you but i'm saving a shit ton of money on

all the money i used to spend going out to eat and all the events i do and the dicking around i do an event sport events and stuff a lot of uber eats i feel like i'm single-handedly trying you're probably the local restaurants see that's the door dash, the grub hub. Well, that'll definitely your budget. You need to learn to cook there, Charles. Come on, man. Come on. We need some cooking classes and stuff like that for you.

I am a phenomenal cook on the grill. All right. You put me on the grill and I'm a monster, but I got to have the ingredients and go into the grocery store now is a giant pain in the ass. It's like going to a third world country. Everybody's got the masks, there's guards at the doors. You know, I'm coming in, like I'm giving them that look like I'm one of the good guys, you know, let me in here. It's a weird experience. So I try to just get my stuff, get out. But I think there's a lot more, you know, you were talking about businesses that

are doing good. How about delivery? I mean, delivery of there's a lot more. You were talking about businesses that are doing good. How about delivery? I mean, delivery of groceries. A lot of people probably for the first time have had groceries delivered. We've gone over the food. You can have delivery, almost anything, to your house now. And I think all those services, delivery services, streaming at home, content, movie theaters. What the hell are they going to do now?

Did you see the article on movie theaters? They've got to be shaking in their boots. Oh, they're crapping their pants. There was a big blow-up about this. I think this was in the news yesterday. There's a movie that got pushed to the internet release because of the virus, and it did $100 million. Was it the Trolls movie?

I think so. It pulled like $100 million. It just went online sales. And the theaters now are shitting their bricks. Because they get to cut out, the movie houses get to cut out all that middleman markup from the theaters. Now, here's why companies should be investing in this, Charles, because what you were saying leads into this is these people are going to be trapped at home for, let's say, one to two months.

This is going to change the pattern. And even then, we're not going back to normal. You're going to have to wear masks. It's going to have to be weird. You don't want to be in groups anymore. We're not going to rock concerts anytime fucking soon. So what's going to happen after this is people are going to adapt, change their habits, and then when things become normal again,

we're not going to flip back. They're going to get used to a burrito home. They're going to get used to delivery of groceries. They're going to get used to this whole thing. You know, years ago, I think it was 1989, I saw the popcorn lady. I forget her name, but she did a series of books on

the popcorn effect and stuff like this. And one of the things she said that I wish I believed more and listened to, but it stuck in my head because I was like, I don't know about all that. But one of the things she talked about is she says, what's going to happen with consumers?

This is 1989. She says, consumers are going to retreat more and more into their homes and they're going to isolate more and more into their homes. And we've seen that over the years, more and more people staying home, dreaming, you know,

this has been an ongoing thing. They're doing their banking at home. We saw that revolution about 10 years ago where people quit doing banking and started going home. And this has been an evolution going for a long time. And so this is going to force a lot of stuff on us. You know, I've had people tell me, you know, I've been begging my manager to let me work from home for like 10 years because I could if he'd let me, and now I finally can, and so hopefully he's going to stick with that. This is going to affect commercial development, commercial buildings.

We're all going to get used to these new habits. Unfortunately, it's going to give Amazon a whole lot more power, and there should be a lot more competitors to that, but that's another matter. But people are going to get used to this this and i know this is gonna happen because i've been working and living at home since 2004 like this whole lifestyle that we're living right now i'm used to this like i'm so used to this like i have to force myself to go out sometimes just to get some fresh air and go drive the cars with the batteries and dead because i'm fine and part of that comes from when i used to live in vegas when it you know when it's 110 degrees outside you don't go out for four

days at a time if you don't have to because you know it's you know it's the you know we're close to the sun during vegas so you just during the during the summer you just kind of vampirize i call it you become a vegas vampire and and stay in your house. But I'm fine with that. I'm really comfortable with it. I work from home. You know, I do everything on the internet. So, and this is what it's teaching people. So, I think a lot more employees aren't going to be coming back to the office. I mean, not only from layoffs, but also from using Zoom. I think a lot of lights are going to go on to companies and go, you know, we can save a lot of money not having a massive commercial building, not paying for all these, you know, the whole

office expenditure, brick and mortar. We just have people work at home. We had a big office in Denver, Cherry Creek, you know, not big, but it was big enough. Our rent was, you know, it was almost $7,000 a month. And we were there for four years. Our lease ran up last April. And I remember, you know, throughout the day, I would see our people there with their headphones on, hunched over a computer typing, and they weren't talking to each other. And I was just thinking, this is $7,000 a month. We've got a break room. We've got a massage chair. I had TVs with, you know, we had the Roku in there so you could, you know, we could, and it was stupid to have that. And last April, we let

the lease run out. Everybody thought we were dumb. Everybody's like, you're so stupid. You don't have an office. You can't invite clients or anything like that. And it turns out we were ready to roll when this work in order thing had happened. You we already figured out about zoom we already figured out you know how to conduct business and you know there were some months that we put up numbers as a company that were as good or better when we had an office and we had more people so i think you're right it is it's the new normal i mean look at real estate uh and companies are going to have to know, why do they have an office? Yeah. Companies are going to have to go that way because the recession too.

I mean, maybe don't look at cutting your employees, cut your fucking office overhead. And you can keep a couple employees. And see here, the thing. Yeah, exactly. Here, here's your massage chair. Keep Betty, you know, ship your massage. Ralph stay and get rid of the massage chair yeah there you go um the uh you know and here's the thing i mean i've lived in the tech world now for all this time and i know companies that they work from the internet a lot of facebook employees

google employees right now are working at home. Think about how many employees they have and the buildings they have. The CEO of Google just said there might start staggering people back in June, but it's going to be a stagger system. But I know people that are running companies that have no office. They have employees in Prague. They have them in Russia. They have them in Venezuela. They have them in just these little teams all over the world,

and they've been running this way for like 10 years, and they do everything like through Zoom communication, or Hangouts, or whatever the thing is, and so I think a lot of employees, if I was a smart employer, I cut the brick and mortar overhead, and keep employees. I just do a trade-off on that. And you may have to squeeze out of a lease or whatever or deal with that issue. But, you know, most leases, what? They keep your deposit or something in charge of two months of cancellation. I've talked to a couple people that have been let out of leases right now that they just said, hey, look, we can't do this. We don't have the people anymore.

And they were surprisingly let out of the lease. You know, that's probably not going to be common, but it's going to happen more and more. I wouldn't want to be in commercial real estate, you know, owning it and leasing it right now. Yeah. So I think we're going to get hooked on this pattern. And when things do normalize, I saw Bank of America say the economy, well, their estimates for the economy to recover are late 2022. So think about that.

So you think that it's guaranteed we're going to have some kind of a recession? Guaranteed? We're already in a recession. As of this morning, we recorded the first quarter GDP fall. If you have two GDP falls, you're in a recession. I think anyone can look at the employment numbers and know we're definitely in a recession. We don't need to wait for that movie to come out. Yeah, okay.

But we're definitely going to hit another GDP, so we are most definitely in a recession. We don't need to wait for that movie. Yeah. Okay. But we're definitely going to, we're definitely going to hit another GDP. So we are most definitely in a recession, especially with the indicators in oil and stuff. So why does the president, why does the president fixate on the stock market? And then also the people do because they go, well, you know, the stock market's where it was before my 401k is where it was before. I'm okay. Well, the 401k doesn't, you know, I don't know about you, but it doesn't pay the bills every month. The other thing is the Wall Street has always loved layoffs of people.

I mean, this is the 1980s when it became this sort of thing where it became more about making investors happy rather than making people happy that were employed. You know, you always see, you know, your GM lays off 40,000 people. Their stock went up 10 points a day. It's all about the investors. It's all about the rich people. Or they outsource the jobs, you know.

Yeah, there might be some outsourcing right now. The biggest thing of course is going to be uh this is going to be a world economic shit storm um you're already seeing riots and meltdowns in lebanon this is going to be bad and ugly this is going to be worse than 2008 this is going to be really fucking ugly um and you may see collapses of governments uh lebanon's in serious fucking trouble right now and uh you're gonna see countries in africa that are gonna have problems collapse and interest you africa is running into huge famine problems just from the attack of the environment or locust down there like they've been going through biblical shit in africa if you've been following

up on that they're having crops wiped out and And we have enough problems with, you know, food chain and everything else with just the virus. They're going through biblical shit down there, water, locusts, just everything. Tyson Foods took out a full-page ad in the newspaper in the New York Times to basically sound the alarm that the whole food chain was going to be disrupted because of uh you know issues at the at the packing and the president he apparently it's like you're not gonna you're not gonna shut down those meat packing plants but you know to hell with the ventilators but you know for some reason we and then there's also a lot of food that has been produced by farmers that they're just plowing it over because there was no coordination with the uh with the government to basically get it to food banks

and stuff like just real kind of mickey mouse type stuff but you're right it's uh it's well this is something somebody should have thought of a couple months ago because i was talking about my podcast in fact uh governor kumo new york uh just came down with an executive order saying, quit dumping the milk, quit dumping the food. We'll send it to food banks. And if you've seen the food banks lines, they're extraordinary. I don't know how people sit in them, but evidently they really need food. And some of them are just massive.

But here's the problem we're having is the economy. We have this economy that's used to doing all this production and all this GDP, right? Potatoes and milk and pork and everything else. I just recently heard that one of the pork farmers had to abort all the pregnancies that they had because they can't handle the amount of pork they have. And they're used to outputting all this pork and everything else. We're used to doing this raging economy. Well, even once we kind of have normalized, we have 26 million people plus. It'll probably jump to 30 or 35.

We're going to go into depressionary numbers with our unemployment. We're going to have all these people that are unemployed they're not consuming stuff anymore like they're like you're we're probably going to be fine for a lot of goods because they're not consuming stuff anymore i mean for for the when it first went crazy where everyone just started hoarding everything like all the meat was gone all the toilet paper is gone you're seeing return of the toilet paper eggs were gone milk was gone like uh bread was the big thing that drove me crazy because i'm just like seriously i just want a loaf of bread and i understood that hoarding was going to break the process uh thank god we survived that um Toilet paper? Yeah. We're a weird culture, Chris.

You think that was happening in other places? Yeah. It's a weird thing, too. People have a psychology to it. Maybe in France it was croissants. Was it really croissants? I don't know. Maybe it's regional.

This is the thing I don't get about all the hoarding. I remember when I went and the milk was gone, and I'm like, you know, this shit doesn't last long. Are you people fucking freezing that shit? Like you see people loading up carts of milk, and you're like, you know, they only last for like a fucking week or something, you know? I loaded my fridge,

and I literally just ate everything based on expiration date. So I had to, yeah, a little game where I had to think what was about to go bad next. And that's what was for dinner tonight. My daughters was like, dad, what the hell is this?

What the hell is going on dad? That's expiring tomorrow. We're losing it. It's time to put them in a home. Um, you got your, you're like, you got your refrigerator shelf ordered by expiration date

like what to eat first first in first out accounting sort of principle um the uh um no but but so the problem we have right now is everybody's going to take a bath including farmers and everything because they've been so used to overproducing for an economy that needs underproducing now. So we're gonna have to wash out all that shit. It's going to be lost city and all that stuff. They're going to have to gear down. Um, so what I've seen now is everything's come back to market. In fact, toilet paper's back. The only thing that I'm missing at the store now is Lysol spray. And, um, but what's interesting is, is, uh, see, I'll give you an example. I was, I was buying beef for my dogs. I always buy a hamburger for my dogs and

they eat hamburger. Uh, and it was one of the things that saved my dogs from cancer years ago. And so I give it to my dogs to make sure they don't get cancer, at least, you know, do what we can to make sure they eat good foods so they always eat these big giant hamburger rolls well those disappeared like right away during the hoarding process well now they're back well what happened was chicken came back first so i had to tell my dogs i'm like i'm sorry i can't get your beef you're just gonna have to eat chicken breasts or chicken uh thighs or whatever they don't have the bones in them and turns out they love that shit and turns out it's cheaper right the chicken's cheaper than the beef and so i'm like well

fuck this is a good deal and then the beef came back and so i started buying the beef for him and they're like no no man we want the chicken and i'm like ah fuck okay well it's cheaper so great but see here's the problem now i'm finding in our stores i don't know if this is nationwide but here in utah which is uh which is a you know we produce meat but what's funny now is there's tons of meat there's the red meat there's tons of steaks but the chicken's gone now you know why because the cheap meat right I'm not talking bad about chicken. Don't get me wrong here. But that's where the economy is going. So the consumers are going to come back to the market, but they're not going to be spending on stupid shit

and expensive stuff anymore. And a lot of them that are going to be out of work and tight money, that's where their spending dollar is going to be. So they're going to be buying that cheap generic toilet paper instead of that nice Continental shit. Okay. I want to,

I want to talk to you. You're a social media influence. No, not influence. That's a bad word. You're Forbes top, top social media guru. No,

that that's not a good word either. You're listen, you're awesome at social media. We got to take a quick break. We got to give a shout out. I'm a big mouth content creator. Yeah. We got to give a shout out to one of our sponsors, but we'll be right back after this break. And I want to talk to you about social media, the role it's played, the media, what would you give them as a grade for how they've done during the pandemic? And we're going to talk

about that right here with Chris Voss as soon as we get back after this short break. Thank you for listening to Innovation Tech Talks. Today's episode is brought to you by the Wild Animal Sanctuary. Where are all those tigers you saw in the Netflix docuseries Tiger King? Well, 42 of them are currently residing at the Wild Animal Sanctuary in Keensburg, Colorado. Support them andalsanctuary.org or text WILD to 80100. Thank you. Hey, everybody. Welcome back to Innovation Tech Talks. You're chopping it up with Chuck, and we are here with Chris Voss, the Chris Voss, not the other Chris Voss. And we are going to talk now a little bit about social media. Chris, what is going on? Who's the

big winners during this pandemic and who are the big losers on social media? Well, the big loser is Facebook. We'll get to that in a moment. But actually, the reports out right now, Google, Facebook, all the online centers did really well. I think Facebook announced earnings today. They did well. They're seeing, of course, more, what do they call them, DUAs, daily users, active, or DAUs, daily active users. Everyone being locked in their home, they flooded the only social space they have access to, which is going to be Twitter, Facebook. Facebook did really well.

In fact, their numbers, I was listening to this in the shower just before the show, their numbers were so huge of active users that one out of two people on the planet use facebook in the last month 1.7 something billion users but basically the way their numbers worked was one out of two people on the planet earth were on facebook in the last month, or at least for a month. That's pretty scary powerful when you think about it. So Google's doing well. Spotify had a huge, huge month of sign-ups and users. Their ads were a little down, which is probably indicative of people, you know, pulling back on their ad budgets a little bit you've you know you've got ad managers that are working from

home probably not on the ball and probably wondering you know seeing where this uh thing's going to go but given the fact that they had a huge jump of advertiser of of users naturally the advertising is going to go there because if you're crazy. Now, keep in mind, shows that are on Spotify are going to do really well. Chris Voss Show and all eight podcasts are on Spotify. So there you go, captive audience. So this is going to be good. And I think any company needs to be looking at it. You can't kill your advertising right now.

I mean, if anything, you're going to stick out more because all the idiots are going to pull back their advertising and you're going to shine, baby. You can grab market share. You can grab market share. Especially if you can make content media like what you do, what I do, make it zoomable, interact with your stuff. You know, you've got employees or marketing agents or salespeople that are sitting around right now. Get them on Zoom. Get them calling up some clients. Help produce their businesses, you know? I mean, that's the best thing to do because the money goes around.

Yeah, they said that the CEO of Zoom, when this thing kicked off, he like woke up the next day and he was worth, you know, like $9 billion more or something like that. Like zoom my eight year old daughter. Cause now everybody's got school online. My eight year old daughter, she's eight and she's in second grade and she's sitting on a zoom with one teacher and 97 kids. And I walk in to see how she's doing. Cause this is the new way. This is how they learn now. And I walk in and the teacher's talking, you know see how she's doing because this is the new way. This is how they learn now. And I walk in and the teacher's talking, you know, and she's doing her thing. And there's all these kids on the side. And my daughter's got her iPhone to the side and she's watching Minecraft videos pretending to pay attention to the teacher.

And I caught her red handed. I just walked in and I was like, what's going on? What's going on there? But, you know, I'm jealous. I mean, I know a lot of parents. This drives them crazy. I'm fortunate enough not to have kids by design, but this has got to be driving parents crazy.

But honestly, I would have loved, I mean, can you imagine being a kid in this world? You know, I mean, I had to track uphill to school both ways, 50 million miles of snow this deep in Utah. And I hated every moment of it, waking up at 7 a.m., you had to get dressed, and you had to shower, and you had to hike down to the bus stop, wait for the bus. You had to do your hair. My daughter's not doing her hair, and I'm just like, hey, listen, you're starting to look like a well-dressed hobo, and what's going on with the hair?

She's like, Dad, we're fine. It's no big deal. I like what you're doing with your hair. You've got the quarantine life hairstyle going on. I'm growing the quarantine beard, and I've decided that the pandemic beard is a good look because i can't go anywhere so i'm past the scraggly part now i just look like a glorified chess piece i'm like i'm like it's working for you i like the color i like the i like the you

know you have the gray it's got a little bit of the james bond uh kind of older uh silver silver uh silver thing going on. But, you know, you don't have to do the shave. Like my mom said to me, she says, hey, we should probably, we need to both learn to do each other's haircuts. I'm like, who gives a fuck? It's the, like, who's seeing us? Like, seriously, like, who cares?

There's going to be an increase in Flobby sales and the home robots. Robots are going to be big. They'll probably reach out to Flobby there. They'll probably get some Flobby ads going there in the innovation tech today, Mag. I think one of the big winners also has got to be Twitter. And this was even before. This is even before Corona. But I think that because the president uses Twitter as his main, you know, when he got elected, they were like, maybe they're going to take his Twitter away.

Maybe he's not going to tweet. Maybe Jack's going to kick him off for being an asshole, you know. And instead, Twitter loves Trump. Oh, they love Trump. I mean, I don't know that Jack loves Trump. I don't want to put those words in his mouth but i think business yeah he's really good for twitter business uh i've been on there doing a lot of stuff and and people are on there raging uh and which is good

because they're educating they're reading they're learning about politics you know they got nothing better to do they're trapped in their home and if they if they're angry at the government well there you go but and i think jets i think jack's policy is is appropriate on there you know i mean if anything you know when you read about bad presidents had issues like nixon and shit like no one knew nixon had this sort of shit going on until you know you listen to tapes and then you went right holy shit this one evil vicious motherfucker um and no one believed it like you know when james dean was up there going yeah he's uh after jewish groups and he's after blacks and he's got he's got a enemies list everyone's like yeah he's got an astrograph buddy

but then when you heard the tapes you heard nixon swearing which is like really shocking to americans back then they're like holy shit he talks like a truck driver the president you know like no one no one knew that and and so uh you know that helped nixon get re-elected that helped nixon almost survive being impeached uh but now i mean on one hand yeah it's hard to deal with but on the other hand i would kind of like to know i mean this is the great thing about social media you can find out what shit shows we all are as human beings because we all just let it out online i mean god knows you've seen my facebook post yeah you just got out of facebook jail um i gotta tell you i'm listen i like my social media i've never been in facebook or

twitter jail am i just being a bitch? Like I'm not doing it right because you're not, you're not exercising your free speech rights of, uh, ranting and raging. And, uh, you need to start getting bent a bit more vocal.

I will say this though. I'm, I'm, I'm going to give Facebook props in one thing and one thing only. I see people try to share fake news, and their source is always YouTube. It's always YouTube, right? And they're like, no, listen, the corona thing is all crap. Check this video. What?

Facebook won't let me share it. And I got to tell you, as a guy who – I publish tech magazines. I'm a big science fan. I believe in the value of science and respecting science and facts, just straight up facts, right? I'll change my beliefs if I'm presented with different facts or if science backs it up. I used to think GMOs were the devil. Neil deGrasse Tyson told me, ah, we've been modifying organisms since the first farmers. It's not that big of a deal. Now I'm cool with GMOs.

I changed my opinion when I was faced with different facts. I think the fact that Facebook is now, and I get it, people are like, you should share anything. You know, sunlight is the ultimate, you know, for bad ideas.

I disagree. I think we have a bunch of stupid people in this country i mean there are people that are of well 50 of america's of below average intelligence let's be honest that's a statistic fact george yeah and and i'm telling you right now if you don't believe me go and look and see if people actually tried to ingest bleach or actually tried to after the president and this is something you could do yeah so i don't want to give facebook credit for that because it was the attorney generals around the nation that leaned on them and forced them to do that

they're already investigation with 47 attorney generals and it was the attorney generals who got that them to stop that yeah yeah i think they didn't want to do it just out of laziness and also no they don't want to do it because that's how facebook makes money they make money causing problems uh selling information they don't care the more the more strife the more anger the more emotion stuff they can do the more they can manipulate you um the more you rage about whatever it is they They don't care because they just, you know, it's like what I used to do back in the day. I know exactly how Facebook thinks. Back in the day, we used to do these videos about which was better, the latest iPhone or the latest Samsung Galaxy or, you know, whatever was competing with iPhone at the time, HTC and all that.

And so I'd post these versus videos because i knew that was going to cause shit and so i post these versus videos on youtube and my comments would be like world war three man and it would be all the iphone people fighting all the samsung people and the android versus the itunes and and it would just be full-on nuclear war in my comment stream this is pre uh google plus when they nuked uh when they nuked it um google plus well they ruined everything uh whatever the the idiot who ran it uh forced everyone to get google accounts and when he did that it destroyed youtube for a while um but i would have people write me and they'd be like you know there's there's like world war three going on in your in your youtube comments i'm like yeah i know

i'm like we do you even care i'm like no man it's all money in the bank it's all money i just sit back and laugh in fact people would write me and be like you're a fat blah blah blah if you and you're ugly and stupid and and i just be like and then i and then i just prime them i just you know jump in there every now and then i'd be like yeah you're stupid too and you know then and and so i see these people they keep logging into the video. Well, every time they do that, YouTube racks up money. And sometimes I just tell people, I'm like, do you realize you paid me two cents to tell me how stupid I am today

on my comments? Yeah. And you just helped my Google YouTube rank for this video go up, so it's going to make even more money. And so you're paying me to call me an idiot. Who's an idiot now? Is, is Twitter making money?

You remember a few years ago, they said Twitter was on life support. They said, I remember they said, you know, before Trump got elected, they, I remember that they were talking that Twitter was going to go the way of the

dodo bird. And I know as a business owner advertising for us was tough on twitter because there were so many so many damn fake accounts there was so many i felt like advertising was a little easier to target on facebook i felt like twitter was the wild west and they were having a hard time monetizing it um i think now you know with it being so legitimized, that's how the president communicates. I see Twitter quoted on the news all the time. Oh, this person tweeted this. Are they making money?

Is Twitter profitable now? According to Vox, 2018, actually, this is old news. I hate when they do this. Twitter reported its fourth straight profitable quarter on Thursday. This was in 2018. I imagine they've kept being profitable since. I don't know why Google does that. It's 2020.

Why are you serving me the top of 2018 news? Twitter emerged a lot of fake accounts. There were some waves of, remember the president complained, I go to bed at night, I've got 50 million followers. I wake up, I've got 42. It, I got 50 million followers a week up. I got 42. What's good? It's the Democrats. It's like, no, they were fake.

They knew that having all those fake accounts was bad for advertising and business probably. Yeah. In fact, here's February 6th, 2020 CNBC. Twitter shares soar reporting strong user numbers and a miss on earnings but i believe they're still profitable their revenue was uh uh the duas were up uh monetizable duas i guess that's what they've been focusing on um and uh but yeah they're doing fairly well i think trump has been good for them in the long term um and i think you could write an article that trump single-handedly saved twitter i would agree with you on that i would definitely agree with you on that um i think i think he was a huge part of it uh and of course russian bots and you can give them some credit and everything else and

everybody that tries to use twitter shout out to the russian bots yeah and uh but no i think i think more and more we're just going into a social media world. And I know a lot of companies resisted this. They're like, oh, we're not going to do Twitter. You know, recently what I've been seeing in the last year when I've been dealing with shows and stuff is, excuse me, we do a lot of promotions on Twitter and stuff. We drive a lot of traffic there because I have like a bunch of accounts. And I would notice that some of these companies are reviewing shows and events and

stuff. They weren't working their Twitter accounts. Same thing with Facebook pages accounts. They're just dead. Like I would, I would have trouble finding the right people at a company and I reach out to their Facebook fan page and like crickets, no one answers. Like you can even, you know, you can tell when they pick up or when they see the thing, no one's even monitoring. I'm like shit we're really like social media is kind of going down a little bit because everyone's making so much money they're not really processing their online stuff we've been sending emails to people to their websites to come on the chris

fascia podcast and crickets you know and meanwhile i got you know pr agents humping my leg to get people on my show um and people just aren't monitoring it they've just been making so much money they're just like you know i used to i used to just lose it when i would go on the company's accounts that were advertising with us and be like you haven't used your twitter account like a year. What are you doing? It's 2020 and you're making so much money. Dude, I left my Twitter account sometime after, I don't know, we killed Osama bin Laden or something like that, right about that time. By the way, I found out about that on Twitter.

I found out Michael Jackson died on Twitter first. You know, Twitter is pretty instant as far as those kinds of things. And I took a break from Twitter. Like I was just like, this is stupid. I'm done. Nobody listens to me. Nobody answers me. I've got these followers, but they never say anything. I'm out. And I came back maybe, well, probably, probably around the time that Trump got elected. I sort of, I don't know, I was just stupid. You wanted to tune into the car crash? Yeah, and so I'm back in there, but I agree with you. I think Twitter's resurged. What about LinkedIn? Do you think LinkedIn is doing good? LinkedIn's kind of doing good.

I'm calling them out and trying to get their CEO's attention right now. They've been bungling the release of live video and just putting it out to people that don't care yeah uh they've been hurting for bungling that for the thing uh linkedin is really not done well under facebook uh it's a lot of stupid memes it's it's almost becoming like a twitter i think what's going to happen though with the jobless i remember what linkedin really became a powerhouse after the 2008 because everyone went there for jobs.

So I think that's going to come back again. But they've got to clean up that platform. There's so much junk and memes and stupid stuff. I'm surprised there's not more nudity. I still see nudity every now and then. Political posts, religious posts. It's mostly just dumb it's mostly mostly just dumb memes like it's just flooded with these stupid i go on linkedin to look at business to

to talk about business to you know business business theory i don't go on there to see feel-good memes of like here's some puppies running through a fucking field i go to twitter for that or you know you might see that on Facebook. Yeah. And then I don't like seeing that on Facebook. Unless they're your dogs, you know, like not you, but just anybody's. You know, if they're my friend's dogs, you know, okay, they're my friend's dogs.

But, you know, I don't want to see like these feel-good, happy thoughts crap is great sometimes, but it's just that's what LinkedIn's become. And they've, they've, they released live video a year ago and they've just been just sparsing out to a few people at a time that number one, aren't using it, aren't using it very well. And for some reason I've been, I've replied like five times, can't get it. And, and I'm working on a story right now where we're going to blow them open because there are people that spend $100 a month,

a company that spends $100 a month on LinkedIn to pay for the subscription, right? And you're like, wait, Twitter has had live videos since what, 2015? Facebook has had live videos since probably a year or two after that you're a company that's owned by microsoft which you know they probably their checks don't balance probably i don't know i'm guessing and you don't have live video on your platform yet and i think what they've been trying to do they're like really selective who gets this and i think they're trying to make sure the site doesn't get polluted with uh you know people doing stupid stuff like periscope garbage but yeah here's the problem okay it's already filled with garbage like i've actually been being facebook jail i've

been curating my twitter and if you curate twitter if you go through and you mute people and follow you follow people that you're interested in you really curate that thing and you don't have to spend a lot of time because the algorithm starts seeing what you're doing and going okay he's following uh nbc news he's following uh nbc anchors he's following you know real interesting logical stuff or if you start falling stupid conspiracy stuff whatever you start following and start curating and listening to the, the, the algorithm will be like, okay, send him more of that. Um, and so if you just clean it up, like I have a lot of people that follow me on Twitter. I, unfortunately, you know, there's a lot of people that put out some garbage content. I just

had to mute them. I didn't unfollow him. I just muted him. So they didn't get the Chris Voss kick and they don't, you know, they were emulating and you don't follow me anymore. So I just muted them so they didn't get the chris voss kick and they don't you know they're right me later and you don't follow me anymore so i just muted them right so they're happy uh same thing on on linkedin because i have a lot of good business people on linkedin but they got to quit liking all this stupid shit like here's a picture of puppies that are like licking each other's face and you're like i don't come to linked in to see that you're right you are responsible for the crap you see in your feed yeah all right you don't like what you see in your feet on twitter anytime people go i hate twitter it's so toxic it is what you stop following people that are toxic you know you could follow the pope the pope's got a twitter he's pretty pretty inspirational nice guy you know he's got some good messages you know he's got a Twitter. He's pretty inspirational. Nice guy. He's got some good messages.

He's got that weird hat. Speaking of live videos, I have never seen more Instagram Lives in my life than I have in the past. In fact, I was going to try Instagram Lives. I'm just scrolling down, and it's like, boom, live, boom, live. It's like a video game. They're just popping off left and right, and it's like, boom, live, boom, live. And they're like, it's like a video game.

They're just popping off left and right. And I think people are home and they like that platform. In fact, I was going to try and record YouTube or Instagram live, but I didn't want to sit here like this the whole time going. But I've got, I've got to get a mount too for the phone. But you know, I'm using stuff like restream.io where i it can send that out to multiple platforms i'm using periscope but yeah i've been seeing instagram live but um linkedin needs to get its shit together it needs to clean up all that stuff so i i've been going through

linkedin muting all the people that are liking stupid shit like puppies and flowers and crap. And, you know, I mean, positivity and posts like that have a good place. But, you know, I don't go to LinkedIn. There's an old analogy that I love that someone said, and this goes way back to 2009, someone said this, and forgive me whoever has a copyright on this, but, I mean, it wasn't that official. But they said Twitter is the bar and facebook is your family reunion your family home and linkedin is your job and that's how you think

about those three different platforms twitter's the bar you go there you rumble you hang out you have drinks talk about shit listen to a bunch of drunk guys talking about stupid shit that's that's that then you go to facebook facebook is your home your family your good friends you know you're chilling at the house linkedin you know you go look for a job you do some business stuff you know you talk you put your suit on and shit over there um you know what twitter is i'll tell you what twitter is twitter is lifting up your teenage son's mattress. That's Twitter. Okay, that is exactly what it is.

That's what Twitter is. I don't know what that means, but basically you're saying his used sock drawer? Is that what you're – used sock? You don't know what you're going to find under there, but it's probably going to be paraphernalia or something, some kind of contraband. That's Twitter, man. that's the wild west we just got a picture into uh teenage charles warner's uh hiding spot um the uh what about tiktok i know you want to talk about tiktok we've only got a few minutes left tiktok is huge man tiktok tell me what's what's the deal i haven't even messed

with tiktok dude t, TikTok is like a drug. Like when you first start watching it, it's like when you first start watching Twitter back then, you're like, this is stupid. But the longer you watch, the more it's like crack. Is it easy to make the videos? But there's people that make really complex videos because they use stop motion action where you bang the button and you can make cool stuff.

But the creativity on there is amazing. And, uh, once you kind of get over the hump of where you're like, what's with all the anime shit, um, there's really funny stuff there and it's addictive. Like if I start watching,

like last night, I told you before the show, I started watching, I went to bed and I'm like, Oh, I'll watch a couple of Tik TOK videos three fucking hours later in bed and they're they're only like what 60 seconds long or something so if i spend three hours in bed now some videos you watch a couple times because they're funny yeah funny as shit but um it's huge man and the kids love it short form videos Um, and they do bleed out on other platforms. Cause you know, I'll be,

I'll be on Twitter and, and they'll show some tech talks or I'll see them on, uh, on Instagram. And so I'm curious, I know it's big. I know my daughter who's eight, uh, you know, this is her jam. And, uh, I think, I think, you know, even Gary, Gary V's talked about it. Like TikTok is not going anywhere. That's it is funny too. That's I mean, the reason, even Gary V's talked about it. Like TikTok is not going anywhere. It is funny too. I mean, the reason I stay around for anything is for the funny. And so it's interesting. You know, Vine was really amazing because what was it, like six seconds or something you had on Vine?

And it was just amazing the stories people could tell yeah on vine uh but you when you start looking at tiktok from the technical aspect of it what people put into a little bit of a production because you know i've seen that with youtube what people put in their production and stuff and you go these aren't kids just fucking around they actually put a lot of time in a lot of the cosplay and the anime people they've put hours into their makeup and their costumes. And then they're doing a production of some type of comedy. But it's just a laugh track. And, you know, I just sat there for three hours last night and it's a hook. And you're just like, I think I laughed more last night than I've laughed in a long time.

There was a couple of videos that I shared on Twitter. And I mean, I laughed in a long time. There was a couple of videos that I shared on Twitter and, uh, and I, I mean, I, I laughed so hard last night and I just kept laughing and, and it's like a drug, man. I mean, I, I like being on TikTok more than anything, but I almost need to, you know, probably see a therapist and go to, yeah. You're 12 steps at TikTok. Speaking of short form, have you heard of Quibi? Quibi. The Quibi thing? I asked you, that's on the agenda to sign up for that. Yeah, it's a short form episodic video service.

It's basically Netflix and 10-minute bites. That's right. Every video is under 10 minutes. It's subscription-based. So I think they give under 10 minutes. Um, it's subscription based. So I think they give you a free trial for the first couple of months. And what pulled me in was they've got a, uh, they've got a, um, a movie with, uh, who is it? Uh, it's, uh, Liam Hemsworth, right. And, uh, and, and it's, it's given to you in segments. Do get an eight-minute, nine-minute segment once a week. So it's short form, really high production value, good actors and things like that.

And basically, it's like what you said. It's like a Netflix where every episode is less than 10 minutes. I wonder if they think that's kind of the direction things are going with attention spans with people binging with you know subscription-based models can you binge on quibi that's the one thing i was wondering about only if you've caught the show after it's already debuted all the yeah you gotta it's episodic um because you know like i i mean i still haven't finished the irishman i mean three fucking hours and i've got there's two other movies i got here that i really want to see parasite and uh the quentin tarantino movie that's somewhere around here the california or what was it the quentin tarantino

movie uh midsummer's night in hollywood yeah midsummer's night in hollywood once upon a time in america or something i don't know um every time so i mean this thing's two hours and 12 minutes and i just sat and looked at that and went i'll get back to you and then uh the the quentin tarantino movies like oh three hours or some fucking thing and so but here's the other problem i'm gonna try quibi i'm gonna try it but here's the problem i have i'm an old school uh film buff acting buff um i really like to have the characters develop and like to really get into the richness of the story and and character development and stuff and so i'm not sure if 10 minutes can get me bonered into it but i don't know there was i mean on

netflix i mean with house of cards and stuff you watch one episode you're like holy fuck i gotta get the next one you know what i like too is it doesn't they don't ask you they're not like uh hey would you like to watch the next episode they say hey would you like to watch the next episode then they just play it which is freaking brilliant because now all of a sudden you're like, man, what the heck? It's already playing. It's 10 minutes. Now you're three or four hours into Ozark. It's like me. It's like me on fucking tick tock.

You're just like, I just flipped the next one. It's just another 60 seconds. Fucking three hours goes by, dude. Like you're going to sleep. Like finally I had to go put down the fucking phone and go to sleep, man.

Yeah. Seriously. It's 4am. You got to sleep, man. Yeah. Seriously. It's 4 a.m. You got to sleep. Quit watching TikTok. I had to look it up, but cell phone elbow is a real thing. Like tennis elbow? Cell phone elbow.

I'll have that in the bed. I'll have to keep doing this popping thing, and you'll hear my tennis elbow pop. And then, you know, I'll be laying there and the thing i'm watching but uh it's it's it's funny i mean i never laughed last night i was laughing so hard they had some really great videos i shared on twitter and they're they're just really well done um and and the the kids on there they're really creative about some of the stuff they do. Yeah. And it's really funny. And I think it's the perfect time format.

I mean, fine was a little tight on its time format. But people told great stories in the time they had on thing. And these kids are just really good at creativity. It's weird that parents tell kids, get off your screens, get off your screens. Where do you think they're going to be working? Oh, yeah. Where do you think their jobs are off your screens. Where do you think they're going to be working? Oh, yeah. Where do you think their jobs are going to be? Where do you think they're going to be consuming?

I mean, it's just – And now they've got more goddamn time than ever. They're all home. Yeah, it's like my parents. They were like, you don't play video games. You're never going to get paid to do that. And eSports is kicking it. They're doing great.

eSports is going to be huge. In fact, eSports is probably going to be even're doing great esports is gonna be huge in fact esports is probably even huger right because i mean you can't go watch the nfl games anymore right so what are you gonna watch you're gonna watch esports you know i have i have little nephews and all they do is watch on twitch they watch gamers they watch people play fortnight like they they this is the thing. These kids consume. They don't watch TV. They're not flipping around on Nickelodeon or anything like that.

They're on YouTube, and they are on Twitch, and they are jamming. My 8-year-old daughter is watching videos on how to make slime. She's watching Minecraft. You know what I mean? It's the craziest thing ever, but that's where they are. You kind of have to. Like I play some video games that are so complex and you've got to do the right build for the right raid and and so you've got

to go watch the videos so you can be like okay so this guy put it they're like instructional now and you're like and these video games are so complex it's so detailed now that you you know even i like okay how do we do this and that's the build we got to do in the rain? And you're like, okay. And then you're like, oh, so use that weapon and the thing. And the, okay. All right. All right.

So I'll do that too. And so video games is going to be even more huge. I mean, that's basically all I've been doing for the last month, really. Yeah. It's great how everything has changed. And you know what, man? They're giving me the hook right now i could talk to you all day but um we're we're about out of time for this episode of innovation tech talks

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you might be able to find us at CES or Cedia or Dent or, you know, one of these... I don't know about Dent, but I'm not sure if Dent's going to survive this layoff. But, you know, I mean, there's going to be some events that aren't going to make it back. I mean, I think me and Robert Scullin and a few other people

have been talking about there's some events that aren't going to survive this. I'm hoping Collision can survive this. Yeah, Collision's going virtual, letting people letting people you know view it from home which this isn't going to work out it's just not going to work out it's not going to pull the numbers it's not going to get the companies the exposures um you that is a cool event collision go to it collision is a good event i i don't like how it's not open more they keep too tight of a fist on it but stuff but um like it's harder to reach the uh exhibitors unless you're on the ground they really force you to come to the show

where i mean i can i can see a lot of stuff going on with nav and cs just sitting home watching twitter um but uh you know it's going to be interesting to do what it is and i look forward to having a beer with you one of these days and having a celebratory toast that we beat this thing and survived it and hopefully, you know, becomes a better world. Well, sounds good, buddy. Don't get the Rona. Stay safe.

Also, everybody that's listening, if you want, Chris will accept red meat in all forms for his dogs and apparently they're into chicken right now. So we're going to have to check back with Chris and see if the palate of his dogs is still on chicken, or maybe they're going to go to something more exotic, perhaps ostrich. We don't know. We're going to have to check back in with him. But anyways, this was a great extended episode of Innovation Tech Talks. If you're listening right now, go ahead and hit the like button. Feel free to subscribe, share it with your friends, and don't forget to follow the conversation on social media. InnoTech today, we're on all the social media platforms. Follow there and you can keep up with the conversation. Until next time, we'll catch you on the next episode of Innovation Tech Talks.

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