The Chris Voss Show - The Chris Voss Show Podcast – Clean Energy Exploitations: Helping Citizens Understand the Environmental and Humanity Abuses That Support Clean Energy by Ronald Stein, Todd Royal

Episode Date: February 16, 2026

Clean Energy Exploitations: Helping Citizens Understand the Environmental and Humanity Abuses That Support Clean Energy by Ronald Stein, Todd Royal

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His book is entitled Clean Energy Exploitation, helping citizens understand the environmental and humanity abuses that support clean energy out June 4th, 2021 by Ronald Stein and Todd Royal. We'll get into it with them, find out the deets of what they're talking about and all that good stuff. Ronald is a engineer, U.S. citizen, energy consultant, speaker, author of books and articles on energy literacy, environmental policy, and human rights, and founder of PTSD Advance, a California-based company. He's a columnist of op-ed articles on energy literacy at America Out Loud News.

He is the co-author of three books that focus on energy literacy and internationally published columnist and speaker. Welcome to the show. Ronald, how are you, sir? Chris, glad to be aboard. Glad to have you as well. Give us dot coms. Where can people find you all?

on the interwives. Probably just Google me. Ronald Stein, I'm everywhere. Energy literacy and I'll pop up because I'm all over the written weekly articles on America Outlaw News and three books. And, yeah, I'm everywhere. Ronald, just Google me.

All right, just Google them, folks, and there'll be links from, of course, on the Chris Foss show you can find there. So, Ronald, give us $30,000 over you. What's inside your new book? The book, Clean Energy Exploitation, is talking about all the exotic minerals and metals to build the EV batteries, to build wind turbines and solar panels,

are coming from developing countries like China and Africa. China controls probably about 90% of that. And these countries have no labor laws, no environmental laws. So we're exploiting people who have yellow, brown, and black skin to mine for this stuff by hand. And the environmental degradation is atrocious. but we in the wealthy countries think that's okay and it's just oblivious to what's happening there. The cover photo that we picked for the book is a photograph from Africa with a military guy with an Uzi

or overlooking a family, mining for cobalt by hand. Wow. And it's really unethical and immoral to think about that. But, you know, we're so focused on growing green. We'll do it at any cost. to other people's lives. You know, Chris, it's interesting. People ask me if I have an EV, I said, no.

And they say, would you buy one? I say no. And they say, why? And I say, for ethical and moral reasons. And they say, what the hell do you mean by that? And I tell them, you know, I'm not willing to financially encourage China and Africa to continue exploiting their people

with yellow brown and black skin or continually environmental degradation on their land. Ironically, this country, the wealthy countries that want to go green are, they're providing financial subsidies. So they're providing financial encouragement for China and Africa. Continue exploiting your people, continually on your land. We're going green. Yeah, you know, they used to have a term for this because you cover your book as reminiscent of a lot of pictures that I've seen where they have these huge open pits in Africa. for like diamond mining, gold mining, and these rare earth minerals that go into the phones and

the electronics and the, and the, and you know, you see that. You see that they have guns. These people are just working to the bone. They're in horrible conditions. Probably don't get lunch breaks, basically. That's probably not. I should laugh at. But, you know, they don't have an HR department, evidently. And, you know, for a long time, they went after this stuff with the diamond industry, you know, and they termed them blood diamonds. Remember that? I think it's still interesting, isn't it? And so now it goes, is your diamond a blood diamond? Maybe we need to bring that sort of concept to, you know, electronics and EVs and have more of these discussions about, you know, what are we, what are we really doing, you know? I remember we had the same discussion with phones. You know,

Foxconn in China had people jumping out of buildings to kill themselves so often making iPhones, they had to put up nets. Maybe there's a better way to fix whatever that is than putting up nets. You know, most people don't realize the Earth has 8 billion people. And we populated from 1 to 8 billion in less than 200 years. Wow. And that happened right after the discovery of oil. Oil by itself is useless.

It's black tar. It's crude. And until you can build a multi-billion dollar refinery, and they heat it, they beat it, and they crack it, and they do all these crazy things to it. And you get all these oil derivatives that today we have 6,000 products in the daily lives that are made from fossil fuels. And different fuels for jets and cars and trucks and ships. And the space program is basically petrochemical base. And those 6,000 products, you know, like I say, they didn't exist 200 years ago. And of the 8 billion people, the thing that most people don't recognize is that 80% of them, which is more than 6 billion people, they're living on less than $10 a day.

Yeah. We in the wealthy countries, all the green movement that's going on is only by the wealthy countries. The solar panels, wind turbines, TVs, that's only the wealthy countries. The other 6 billion, they're the one suffering. And that's what the book is about, the clean energy exploitations. Let me ask you this. We talked before the show about green washing. We can get into some of that.

Yeah, I've often wondered, you know, if you see an EV catch on fire, it can burn for days. And the amount of gallons, I don't know if you've ever looked at that, but the amount of gallons of water it takes to put out an EV comparatively to a normal car fire is extraordinary. Have you ever looked at that? Yes. The EVs, when they ignite the EV batteries, it's a chemical fire. They really can't put it out. All they can do is cool it down and it takes a vast amount of water to do that.

And so there's a lot of restrictions on where you can park EVs. We've got some close friends in Calgary, Canada, live in a condo complex with underground parking with all the inclement weather they have. But if you own an EV, you're not a lot of parking underground. Yeah. Because when those things light up, they light up. Yeah. They'll bring the whole complex down.

It says here in 2022, the CTIF, this is from Jalopnik. If anybody wants to pull this article, it requires the U.S. Fire Department to use 24,000 gallons of water just to get, that's a lot of water. I mean, just imagine, you know, your gallon of milk in the fridge, 24,000 of those to put out one single EV fire. That's a lot of water. It's half a lake or something. I don't know if it's half a leg, but I don't know if it's half a leg, but I'm not sure. Yeah, most of the earth is covered with water, but most of it's salt water. We really have the limitation on fresh water to waste them on putting out an EV battery fire.

That's ridiculous. I mean, you really, have you, I don't know if you break this down in the book, but when you really look at all the components that they have to source, make, manufacturer, and I imagine there's, I don't know what you call it in manufacturing, but manufacturing churn or burn, there's got to be stuff that ends up on the, on the cutting room floor, right, in making something that left over parts, left over, you know, things that are jagged, they have to cut off or something. And so there's probably still lots of parts that end up hitting the manufacturing floor that

never making the car that, you know, some one of those families mine for that you mentioned. And I often just wondered, you know, because I've had this argument with friends because they have a lot of my Silicon Valley friends, you know, they love EVs, they loved Elon for a time. And they'll have this conversation. I'm like, you know, but when it comes to not only running that car, but the batteries, the battery acid that's in them is corrosive as hell. You can't just throw it in a landfill. You've got to deal with it all.

And, you know, is the car really, you know, is that really worth the $300 a month that you're saving in gas? Because it seems like, number one, the production of it costs a lot more. And then the disposal. I mean, these cars eventually, you know, don't get driven anymore. So then who's going to break down all the batteries with the battery acid? And, you know, it's one thing that a car is, you know, like my car has one battery, you know, just the thing.

I mean, if you're supposed to it, you take it down the battery shop maybe and give it to them and stuff. But when you got a car that's literally the whole underneath of it is a giant freaking battery, battery acid and all that stuff, I mean, that stacks up after a while. It does. There's really been no really plans for that either. because, you know, if you build a refinery, your plans have to include reclaiming the land back to its original position condition. But there's no such plans for how do you dispose of wind turbines? How do you dispose of solar panels?

How do you dispose of EV batteries? Right now, there's 340,000 wind turbines in the world. And their life expectancy is 20 years. So, you know, we're probably halfway through some of their lifespan. And, yeah, when they conk out, they just dump in an epoxy. waste on. Yeah. I've seen the landfills of the, of the, yeah, the big, I want to call them big fans.

I'm stuck on that. The big fans, the oversized fans, you can get it on at Home Depot. But you're right. I have seen the pile up them. I do know of at least one organization that is trying to figure out ways to recycle that stuff, but even recycling, there's a cost to it. There's probably more oil you're going to use it to break stuff down or shredded or compacted. compacted or, you know, regardless of what you're doing, I've seen people turn different,

I think, plastic or something into tires, but the amount of expense and cost and manufacturing has to go into shred the tire and then and all that stuff, you know, it's really questionable. Do you, we talked before about the show about some of the things that oil does that is kind of, and I'm really vague on remembering this correctly, so I'm just trying to cue you up. about how oil, there are things in products that are oil, but windmills and other sort of clean entries don't serve those sort of components in products. I'm just kind of going from memory. So I don't know if that.

Ironically, Chris, pretty much everything is made from oil. The oil derivatives. Even the fiberglass. The EV vehicles 100% made with oil. The tires, the wires, the insulation, everything. it's not made with oil is the battery, a thousand pound battery, but to get all the minerals and metals, you need all the mining equipment to process it after they've dug it up by hand. So, yeah, oil is everywhere.

So we have, yeah, like you say, in California, we have a mandate to get to EVs, but California is a big state. Let me give you some numbers. California's got 400,000 miles of roadway, and we got 30 million vehicles. Now, the vehicles are providing a lot of fuel tax, like almost $9 billion, which is used to maintain the 400,000 miles of roadway. You know, Governor Newsom wants everybody to drive an EV. So if everybody's driving an EV, there'll be no fuel tax.

Yeah, who's going to pay for the roads then? Now you've got heavier vehicles, paring up 400,000 miles. of roadway with no money to maintain the roadways. You know, what's going to happen? The charging rates are going to be more expensive than the cost of gasoline. Yeah. I think they've talked about that. You know, how do we charge for that? And for a long time, there was a huge discount on taxes to own an EV, which kind of seemed a little duplicitous, maybe, in my mind. I mean, what do you think, do we need to get rid of all these variations we're doing? Or are they okay to stick around?

We just need to be honest with ourselves about what really works and what doesn't maybe. I don't know. The variations, what do you mean? Like wind turbine, the variations of oil, so wind turbine. Wind turbines and solar panels only generate electricity. The politicians refer to them as wind and solar energy, but they're not wind and solar energy. It's just wind and solar electricity. Because, you know, we have six,

ways to generate electricity. We can do it by wind, solar, coal, natural gas, hydro, nuclear, but all ways to generate electricity, all have the same components. They've got wires and insulation and computers, glass, air conditioning, and all those pieces and parts are made from the oil derivatives we get from oil. So if we get rid of oil, Chris, we get rid of electricity. We're going back to the 1800s. Oh, cool. We can get whale oil and whale oil and whatever else they used to do. You know, some people. Lose a couple of billion people. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, Triskey's overrated anyway, folks. I mean, come on, it's 2026. You know, take a look at it. You know, take a look at your house. When you go to the hospital,

go to the airport, go to the shopping center, whatever, try to down it by something. One thing that a solar panel or wind turbine can make. They make absolutely nothing. You make a good point. You know, there's a lot of people that are like, you know, I'm clean energy and I only buy things that are clean energy. And, you know, I bought my Subaru. It's clean energy. No, there's a lot of oil that went into making the seats and the, you know, all the stuff that's in there.

There's a lot of plastics. A lot of it's, you know, I don't know, two of these Subaru's that, you know, are sustainable where you can recycle them into something else. imagine the steel maybe or some of the engine. Yeah, is anybody recycling seats in cars? I don't think so. You just put a seat cover over it if it's an old super. But everything is made from the oil derivatives. Now, when you take a barrel of oil,

probably about 80% of it is used to make fuels. The jet fuel, the gasoline, the diesel, bunker fuel for ships, and special fuels for the space programs. But only about 20% is used for making these oral derivatives. And that makes all the products. I think I'd say there's 6,000 products that are in our daily lives that didn't exist 200 years ago. Yeah. And that's the thing we take for granted.

And fertilizers, you know, it's fertilized without natural gas. You have no fertilizers. Oh, wow. That accounts for feeding half the world. Yeah. If you don't have any fertilizer, too, good luck having some crops. We kind of saw the interruption of fertilizer because Ukraine, back when the Russia war started, And I didn't even know this.

A lot of the fertilizer came from Ukraine that was being shipped around the world for planting and growing. And, you know, you need some fertilizer to get that food. You know, a wind turbine can charge my iPhone, solar panel can charge my iPhone, but they cannot make my iPhone. This is 100% made with oil. Mm-hmm. And that's true of anything. I mean, anything in your, like I say, your house, the hospital airports,

you name it. But, you know, today we're so used to, you know, going to the airport. And, you know, here in California, we're a big state. We got, you know, nine international airports and 45 military airports. And they can't exist without oil because the fuel is needed for the aircraft. And the aircraft is made with the products made from oil. So, yeah, we're a different society than we were 200 years ago. Yeah.

And if you really want to go green, we're going back to the 1800s. And, you know, lifespan back then was like 40 years of age. You know, today it's 75 plus. Yeah. The medical industry didn't exist 200 years ago. Yeah. If you live longer with that internet, if you have that internet, you live longer. Yeah.

And you get all the vitamins and everything. I don't know. But no, you're right. I mean, I've had this argument with, you know, I've been a Democrat. I'm an independent voter now. But I lean Democrat. And I've severely questioned this. I've argued this with my friends who are Democrats, and I've been like, I don't think that's really as clean as you think it is.

I mean, I mean, great. There's alternative energy. There's an analogy I like to give people, you know, if a restaurant opens up and you're serving bad food, no one's going to go and the restaurant's going to close down. It's pretty much the same thing with fossil fuels. Because if you don't use the products, there's no need for fossil fuels. Yeah. If you're not using gasoline and diesel and, you know, bunker fuel for the ships and everything else. And it's, but no one's going to come up and say we're going to close all the airports.

We're going to close to all the airports. We're going to close to shopping centers and stop using the products. You stop using the products. There's no need for the refineries. And the interesting thing about the United States being one of the wealthy countries is we're putting a lot of pressure on refineries and shutting them down. California's got two that are already shut down. But in Asia, in China and India, they've got 180 refineries that are coming online.

Oh, wow. They'll be basically providing the fuels for the United States. I mean, it's becoming a national security risk. Because, you know, here, I look at California. We have, like, the court of L.A., there's 1,800 vessels. that come in every year and Porta Long Beach gets like almost

10 million container units arriving by ships Oakland gets you know cargo ships and merchant ships and cruise ships and they all recraft fuel and that fuel if we don't have refineries here in America

the fuel is going to be coming from China and you know like California is quickly becoming a national security risk for the entire country because California, we have a lot of oil here, but we can't take for it. There was some of your restrictions. You know, about 50 years ago, we were about 95% self-sufficient, and we had 5% of the oil we needed what came from foreign countries. The production of oil for the refineries is on a terminal decline, and today we're

importing more than 70% of our oil. and with refineries closing, the good news is we'll be importing less oil, the bad news is we'll be importing the finished products. Oh, wow. From offshore refineries. Yeah. I guess people really don't think, you know, you go look at Target, and I know I know guys who have wives that go, they go to Target twice a day, not once a day,

twice a day. And, of course, you know, they buy everything on Amazon. There's, you know, I'll hear people say, oh, yeah, if you're clean energy, and then you'll see the shit they buy on Amazon or Target or, you know, and their cars too and in purses and stuff. Oh, this is, you know, whatever free. And you're just like, no, I'm pretty sure there's crap that was in there to make it. Like, you know, and they own a house too.

That's usually, you know, houses are probably filled with all sorts of oil-based products and stuff. And you're just like, no, I think you're just really naive about how much ingredients go into what it takes to make these products. And, you know, if you really want to live off grid and, you know, not have any oil-based products, you're probably going to need to go get a log cabin in the Montana and start running manifest all day long. Just to give you numbers, like in California, you know, jet fuel with all the airports in the military, we're consuming 13 million gallons of aviation fuel a day. Wow.

And that fuel is all made at refineries. And if the refineries aren't here, it's been made at a refinery somewhere. And it could be in China. They might be running our airport. They gasoline. I mentioned we have 30 million vehicles in California. We're consuming 42 million gallons of gasoline a day. Wow.

And, you know, that's got to come from somewhere. He's got to pay for it. Yeah. And so, like you say, we're going green by, you know, stopping oil production and over-regulating refineries to the point that they're shutting down. It's not cost-effective for them to operate. So we'll be importing, not fruit oil. will be importing finished products.

There will be more ships coming in to the ports of Long Beach and Los Angeles and Oakland, up in the Northern California. What about some of the other variations of what people claim on, what people claim on, you know, why clean energy is good. So like the ozone layer, stuff like that. What are some of your arguments in the book about some of these claims that are being made and how effective they are? Or do you make it?

Well, the confusion is the use of the word energy. They keep talking about clean energy. When it's always going to provide clean energy. But no, no, no, no. When the solar can only generate electricity, it can't make anything for society. And so that's the difference. Yeah. What about the ozone layer stuff?

Like a lot of them are like phosphies, burn a hole in the ozone. And I don't know. It could be, it could be just all the farting, really, by me. Probably from the cowl. I just got a puppy and he farts like all the time. He's like nuclear farts because he's eating like God does what. Shoot that dog. Yeah.

He's probably cutting a hole in the. But CO2, you know, people keep talking about that. And yeah, it's like you see, greenhouses, they inflate, you know, CO2 to make plants grow faster. And, you know, the astronauts, their CO2 levels is like five times more dense. than hours that we're breathing. You know, we're a fossil fuel society. And like I say, the one billion people that existed, you know, 200 years ago really weren't too well developed, primitive and horses and that type of thing. And yeah, it's changed everything.

Like you say, we didn't have hospitals 200 years ago. We didn't have airports 200 years ago. We didn't have any telecommunications, any appliances, electronics, sanitation, sanitation, systems, they didn't exist. Heating and ventilating didn't exist. And again, it's all based on oil to make it. Yeah. And then you need electricity to make it operate. Yeah. And yeah. So what are some of the remedies? Go ahead. I think the real method for electricity, if you want electricity, especially with the demand today for data centers, their electrical requirements are huge. And if you want electricity that's clean, emission-free, reliable, continuous, it can be nuclear.

They want to build nuclear here in Utah up in Brigham City. They want to build a nuclear plant, which if you know anything about Utah, I'm not sure the people here are bright enough to pull that one off. But I guess we'll see. Take a look at the Navy. Leave's got a 70-year track record, safety track record. All the submarines are new. nuclear powered. All the aircraft carriers are nuclear powered for 70 years, zero fatalities. Yeah. And I know there's been a lot of talk about how dangerous nuclear is. All the incidents we've had,

there are Chernobyl and that type of thing. There was, nobody was killed from it and it was an abnormal operation. Chernobyl? Yeah. I believe there was people that were killed from Chernobyl. Yeah. I just want to clarify that. I'm pretty sure there were. I can Google. if we need to, but yeah. Okay, do that. Yeah. I think, I mean, but it's not to discern that it's, it wasn't a horrific event. Yeah.

You know, the fact with wind and solar, they only provide intermittent electricity to begin with. Yeah. You have to favorable weather conditions. And, you know, you can't run a hospital on intermittent electricity. The surgeon, which is to check the weather report before he scheduled surgery. Wait, I think my hospital. us to do that.

Yeah, we need continuous and reliable electricity. Solar is intermittent electricity. It's not reliable. And you can't run computers on intermittent electricity. That's true. I've tried that. Keep shutting them down. They always want me to pay my bill every month.

It's really weird. Otherwise, they turn off electricity. And I'm like, my computer won't run. They're like, you got to pay your bill. I'm like, damn it. I knew there was a catch somewhere. But you know, when I think about it, you know, today there's, you know, 50,000 aircrafts on the world that didn't exist 200 years. You know, there's 50,000 merchant ships that didn't exist, you know, 100 years ago.

And besides, we need oil for P. Diddy's Freak Fest. You know, I got a baby off of that. I'm just kidding. When your book, do you talk about steps that we should take to, I don't know, make people smarter and aware of this? Because like I said, I've argued with my friends that have EVs, and I'm just like, I just look at that freaking battery tank. And I just go, that doesn't seem like it's going to melt down well in a landfill. That's just going to dissolve. And, you know, five years, you won't be able to find that EV battery in that landfill.

I don't know. I'm just trying to stimulate conversations. Okay. Because they, you know, and during the conversations, I, in my articles, I very seldom use the word energy. because it's so confusing. Yeah. Because they keep talking about wind and solar energy, but wind and solar is only electricity.

And, you know, when you take a look at fossil fuels, coal is used to burn to make electricity. Natural gas is used to burn to make electricity. But crude oil is virtually never used. Never burned crude oil. Crude oil just goes through refineries. They break it into usable products. But, you know, just...

Do you... feel that we should get rid of the alternative if things we're trying, or maybe we should just keep, you know, trying to use them and maybe innovate them to make them less dirty? Or what do you propose we should do? I'll tell you, the world

movement is toward nuclear. Nuclear power plants and SMRs, which are small modular reactors. Because these these 6 billion people on the planet that don't have electricity, they could benefit from a small modular reactor. They could

you know, the cookie cutter to serve like 100,000 people. Right now there's, they're developing maybe around the world. South Africa is really pursuing it. But right now there's operational in China and Africa. I have a small modular reactor. All the effort has been focused on electricity. There's been no replacement proposed for fossil fuels. Yeah.

And we have a real problem going on with, I don't know if you've studied this or if you've measured it, How much of a problem do we have trying to, it seems like we're trying to suddenly just overnight get all these AI data centers up and running and they're going to suck all this energy. People are complaining about their energy bills. They're wondering. They suck all the electricity, not energy. Yeah, yeah. And they're wondering if, thank you, I'm clearly not the professional here. I'm just seeing you with a mic and a podcast.

So that's why we bring you on the show. So thank you for correcting me. But, you know, suddenly people are seeing their electricity bills go up and they're like, Are we paying for the billionaires to get rich off of AI? And I know we're under-energized maybe for these electrical centers. What do you see? I mean, it sounds like we do to embrace nuclear for them, really. It's out of whack because here in California, we shut down San Nofrey nuclear power plant.

There's a power plant up north that generates about 2,200 megawatts. And right now there's proposed status. centers that will take about seven times as much as that nuclear power plant can generate. Holy crap. And if you hear across the nation, we're developing all these things. That's as California. Every other state has got their plans too. And where's the electricity can come from? No one knows. Another thing to think about is Earth has a lot of natural resources. coal, oil, lithium, cobalt, etc., etc. And how long are those reserves going to be there?

And there's different estimates. I mean, like crude oil, which is what you need to make all the products in their daily lives. But there's estimates that the reserves are 100 years, 200 years. And with technology changing, like fracking, you find out different ways to find oil. but if we can extend and improve our efficiencies and use less of it, just because it's there we don't want to use it. But if the reserves are going out to 500 years, maybe 1,000 years, Chris, this 4 billion year a planet is going to be here with or without us.

Yeah. And our grandkids, you know, if they're accurate about 100 or 200 years, yeah, it could be our grandkids' kids or whatever are going to be experiencing some of the shortages but yeah the reality is we just have to be very conservative i don't want to go back in 1800s that's yeah no oh come on whale oil you know i want to be one of those guys who walks around and down the street and he lights up all the the oil lamps for oil you have to be conservative focus on keep improving efficiencies yeah and if we want to generate electricity we spent a lot of the world's resources to build these 300,000 wind turbines that's just generating electricity.

And we could put that much effort and basically developed nuclear. If you want continuous, uninterruptible electricity, it takes a least amount of land, the least amount of earth resources, and the longevity is much, much longer than wind or solar. So, yeah, we have to take a look at the picture. And politicians, you know, they can baffle you with BS. And, yeah, but I, some of my articles really intended for CBS, NBC, CNN, because this is an election year. A lot of people running for mayor, a lot of people running for governor, the presidential, you know, election will be coming up in a couple years. And I don't want to embarrass these candidates, but what's your plan?

You want to get rid of oil, what's the backup plan? If you have no oil, you have no hospitals, you have no airports, you have no military. You know, what's the backup plant? So there's got to be conversations. And which is the most efficient way to produce the products? What's the most efficient way to produce electricity? Because we've spent a lot of resources just to build wind and solar, which is only temporary electric and weather dependent electricity.

I think you're right. We need to have more of an honest, meaningful conversation about it because I mean, in regards to politics, I mean, I look at it and I've had lots of arguments with people about the CV thing. I don't know that I would ever own one. I think if I think if I reached a point where I would own one, I would be one of the last. And part of it isn't just, you know, part of it is I'm a minimalist, so I try and save money and I try not to buy shit I don't need, you know. And, you know, cars, a car for me is just one of the most worthless investments of all times. Unless you're buying like, I don't know, Ferrarians or Mercedes, you're going to put it in a showroom somewhere or whatever and it's going to appreciate. You know, cars are like the worst investments now.

And, you know, I switched to a minimalist, I don't know, 10, 20 years ago after 3 BMWs. I may still buy a Porsche, but it'll be used Porsche. And I just, you know, you buy new cars and they're just the worst investments ever. And I'm a single guy too. Like, guys who are married, you know, they got to take their kids to school and shopping. The wife's got to take the car to shopping and whatever she does and job and things. I don't have any of that. I just have two dogs at home.

I don't have to leave the house, I have groceries delivered. I have everything delivered pretty much because I'm lazy. You know, I just, if I want to go on a date with a clean, nice car, I just rent a car. And the amount I pay for rental cars is far cheaper than what I pay to own a car between insurance nowadays and the price of stuff. And so it's pretty wild. But, you know, to me, it also seems like a huge waste. I mean, there's so many people that they just buy these cars for $150,000 now trucks are and shit.

And then they drive them for a little while and they throw them away. And maybe we should, I don't know, look at recycling these things more often or something. I don't know. We really got to focus on efficiencies and conservation. For efficiency, I think as an engineer, me being an engineer, the hybrid is probably the most efficient vehicle. Because it doesn't need, quote, electricity charging. You're using the fuel to charge the battery. So you wind up getting, you know, better, quote, mileage.

And, yeah, you're using, you know, less electricity and basically less fuel. Because, you know, if the car runs on the battery, but the battery's low, you know, you've got to, the fuel is on board. It's just charging the battery. Yeah. And, you know, the funny, the other argument I've had with people with EVs is, like, you know, I save $300,500 and $500 a month and gas and stuff. And I'm like, but you still use electricity. and electricity largely, to my understanding, correct me for wrong, you're the expert,

is made with coal. So it's not really clean energy if we're burning coal to fuel the electricity that goes into your EV that's supposed to be clean. And I'm like... We got a comical thing because California, we're so focused on getting rid of coal and that type of thing that we shut down all the coal farm

power plants, but we import more electricity in any other state. Yeah. And we import electricity from other states that are making their electricity with coal-fired power plants. That's on the other side

on the border of California. We're probably paying a lot for it too, usually. I mean, you buy something from somebody else. Yeah, I mean, these are a lot of the discussions I agree we need to have. And, yeah, I mean, it's not a political

thing. This is, you know, there's a logic and reason to what can make sense about these things. And, yeah, I've always, I've never bought the whole especially that argument that it takes coal to make electricity. So electricity is what charged your car. So you're not really saving that much on gas and pollutants or whatever you're called dirty fuel, basically. But just like right now, the regular vehicle has a battery,

but the batteries use to really operate all the electronic stuff in it. And if you had a hybrid, it'd be doing the same thing. It would operate all the computer stuff in the car. It will also provide enough, you know, the fuel. to charge the battery to run the car. Then you don't need charging stations. And you're not really concerned about, you know, going a couple extra hundred miles. Yeah.

There's a charging station. If there's no charging station, then you're really screwed. Ron, as we go out, also give us a plug for the website that you're right for a lot. Tell people how they can get to know your articles over there and find out more about what you're talking about regularly over there. Yeah, America Out Loud News, just, Mirk Out Loud News, and just Google that plus Ronald Stein, and it'll pop up all my books, all the articles I've written every week. The articles I get published every week, and I co-author with people around the world, because, you know, it's not just my opinion.

I'm trying to get an opinion of other people. So I co-author with people in Japan, South Africa, India. And when the articles get published, they get reposted around the world, and probably get exposed to half a million people. It doesn't get exposed to the politicians. I don't think they can read. But if they did, we'd have more conversations. Yeah.

And I think so, too. I mean, it's something that we just need to understand. People need to understand. They can't just buy the BS. It's out there in the marketplace. Thank you very much for coming in the show. We really appreciate it. Chris, you have a fantastic day.

Thank you. Thank you. And thanks for us for tuning in. Order up his book, wherever fine books are sold. And it is an important conversation we need to have. I mean, you see what's going on in China and other developing countries where they're trying to mine for a lot of the, and I think it's worse than gold and diamonds, what they have to mine for, because the stuff is, I don't think it's safe either most times, isn't it, that bring up some of this lithium and crap?

All these, they don't care about fatalities of other people. Yeah, and even the air probably, you know, the contaminants to get in the air and all that. stuff. And it really is kind of an interesting thing that we do in developing countries where we're like, yeah, yeah, we don't, we don't do that dirty stuff. We make you do it. And then we enjoy the benefits and enjoy being

poor still. So, and it's really weird. And then we get after these countries, that's the other hypocrisy. I see as we'll get after countries like South Africa and be like, well, you guys need to be less dirty. You guys are polluting the hell out of everything over there with your industrial thing, just like we did 80 years ago in our industrial revolution. You guys are going

of yours and bad you. And they're like, that help you guys get less poor and we're poor. But everything is oil because everything they make gets on a ship. Yeah. Ships come here. And like you say, you know, just here in California, the west coast, the east coast, I don't know what the numbers are there, but, you know, we had, you know, almost 10 million container units arrived by merchant ship here.

And then merchant ship's got to get fueled up to go get more, you know, from the Bring the EVs over. Exactly, yes. Thank you very much for coming to the show, Ronald. We really appreciate it. Just remember, America Out Loud News and Ronald Stein. And you'll become energy literate and you'll be ready for the quiz. Hey, you'll pass the test.

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