The Chris Voss Show - The Chris Voss Show Podcast – Cleaning House: The Fight to Rid Our Homes of Toxic Chemicals by Lindsay Dahl

Episode Date: July 3, 2025

Cleaning House: The Fight to Rid Our Homes of Toxic Chemicals by Lindsay Dahl Lindsaydahl.com https://www.amazon.com/Cleaning-House-Fight-Homes-Chemicals/dp/0063375591 From the front lines of the movement for safer products, environmental health expert Lindsay Dahl takes us on her journey from skeptic to activist, exposing the secret forces that keep toxic chemicals in our homes, bodies, and environment—showing us how to fight back and keep our families safe. In Cleaning House, Lindsay Dahl shows how seemingly innocuous items—everything from toys to common beauty and cleaning products—can include toxic chemicals, thanks to a consistent failure of regulation in the United States. The scientific research linking toxic chemicals in products to rising rates of cancer and reproductive harms is as strong as the science that led to banning lead from gasoline, PBCs, and DDT. But with varying degrees of protective guardrails in place for the everyday items, consumers are tasked with playing toxic-chemical detective and those unable to afford safer products are left hanging in the balance. Through vivid storytelling and robust scientific evidence, Dahl makes a compelling case that a safer world will only arrive through systemic change. We must turn off the tap of toxic chemicals before they make their way into our homes and bodies—and here she shows you how. Drawing on Dahl’s extensive experience as a lobbyist, product formulator, and a parent, she unravels the shocking web of political and cultural factors that landed us here and are key to solving this massive public health crisis. Dahl takes readers behind the scenes as a young but determined lobbyist fighting powerful chemical industry players, which she discovered are replicating Big Tobacco’s disinformation playbook by downplaying the harms of the toxic chemicals they continue to profit from. And she introduces readers to the brilliant scientists doing ground-breaking research, legislators passing life-saving laws, forward-thinking business leaders, communities facing the highest level of exposure to toxic chemical pollution, and parents from all political stripes who have joined the fight for a safer world. Told through a compelling David and Goliath narrative, Cleaning House dares to take a pragmatic and science-based approach to the concept of clean living, in a time where the wellness movement is threatened by partisan politics and misinformation. It is an essential read for anyone who wants a safer home and a safer future for our children. About the author Lindsay Dahl is a nationally awarded environmental health and consumer safety expert. Over the last twenty years Dahl has helped pass over thirty state and federal laws that remove toxic chemicals from consumer products and our environment. Her activism and writing has been featured in the New York Times, Fast Company, and Vogue, among other publications. Dahl has worked across leadership positions for environmental health nonprofits including Safer Chemicals, Healthy Families, and for leading consumer brands including: Ritual and Beautycounter. She sits on the board of directors for the nonprofits Toxic-Free Future and the Chamber of Mothers.

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the sky. Uh, today we had amazing and lady on the show with us today. Her newest book comes out August 5th, 2025. It is called cleaning house. The first book comes out August 5th, 2025. It is called Cleaning House, The Fight to Rid Our Homes of Toxic Chemicals by Lindsay Dahl. And we're going to be excited to talk about this because I'm always interested in cleaning up my environment because, I don't know, I should probably dust around here or bathe more often. Anyway guys, we have Lindsey Dahl on the show. She is a nationally awarded environmental health and consumer safety expert. Over the last 20 years, Dahl has helped pass over 30

state and federal laws that remove toxic chemicals from consumer products in our environment. She hasn't gotten me yet. Ha ha ha ha. That is still time probably. Her activism and writing has been featured in the New York Times, Fast Company and Vogue, among other publications. And she's worked across leadership positions

for environmental health, nonprofits, including safer chemicals, healthy families, and for leading consumer brands. Welcome to the show, Lindsey, how are you? I'm so glad to be here, thanks for having me. Are you here because you heard I was a toxic chemical from my exes and you're here to clean up? Yeah, that's actually how you were top of the list

because of that. That's what I thought, that's my last eight divorces. So anyway, so Lindsey, give us a third of your.coms, where can people find you on the interwebs? You can find me at lindsaydahl.com and also on Substack. So give us a 30,000 overview. What's inside your new book? I have worked, as you mentioned, for the last 20 years working to get toxic chemicals out

of consumer products in our homes. And I decided to write the book Cleaning House because more and more people, even though there's been a lot of great movement on this topic, more and more people I'm finding still don't know that there are toxic chemicals that are in our homes every single day. And the conversation about this topic on social media has gotten really complicated. So it's hard to suss out fact from fiction. People don't know if it's all fear mongering or if there's any real science behind this. And I kind of wanted to set the record straight and let people know what are things they should be concerned about, which things they shouldn't be, and how they can take action.

Pete And is there some stats on, I don't know, what the average toxic chemicals people have in their home percentage? Or is there some stats you can throw at us on what's going on out there? Yeah. So if you kind of take a walk through your home, they're in every single room, they're kind of top offenders. So think about things like if you have a couch that was made before 2015, which especially couches stay in people's homes for a long time, it is likely made with toxic

clay retardants, which sound like a good thing. These are different chemicals that are used by the pound to treat the polyurethane foam that we all watch movies on. The problem is that these chemicals have been shown to not really slow the spread of fires, and they're also linked to a bunch of different toxic health effects. We're talking of things like cancer, harming our hormone systems and whatnot. Same holds true for our beauty products and the cookware that we have in our kitchens.

This is all a result of a lack of federal laws that really make sure that chemicals are safe long before they get into our consumer products. What I try to do in my book, house is to kind of help people understand. We think that someone has to make sure that this is all safe before it ends up on the shelf. In some industries and instances, that is true. And some it is not. So I try to kind of guide people through, in some cases, where the United States is far behind other countries

and other things where you actually don't need to worry about it and it is just fear mongering and you can scratch that off of your to-do list. Pete I thought it's not toxic if you lobby and bribe a politician to make it so it's allowed in products? Is that, I guess, true? Beth Dombkowski It's funny, Chris. So a lot of this could be a very dry topic, but what I do is I actually told this story firsthand through my career. And I've been lobbying for these bills for decades and I've gone toe to toe with the chemical industry.

And in the early days, this is a reference that people who are maybe over the age of 40 will understand. My mom was like, I don't understand what you do for a job. And I was like, I'm going to give you two for a job. And I was like, I'm gonna give you two movies that are kind of reference points. Thank you for smoking, that's who I'm up against. And if Erin Brockovich was like, you know, someone who's fighting to get toxic chemicals

out of the wells in her backyard, that's what we as a community are trying to do. And so she, oh, I kinda get it. But yeah, I think at the end of the day, look, the chemical industry is making a lot of chemicals that are safe. And they're also making a lot of chemicals like forever chemicals, they're called PFAS, rain jackets in our cars, and the cookware in our homes. And they're profiting, they're making billions of dollars every single year. And they're not going to take those products off the market until they're forced to.

Yeah. Isn't it wild, some of the stuff that we do with products? I mean, you go back and you look at, I remember I was in Chicago one time and I was in an offbeat area of Chicago. So it wasn't in Chicago. I don't want people writing me going, you're in Chicago. It was somewhere, I don't know, an hour out of Chicago. I was going to a friend's wedding to best man for his wedding. And, uh, boy, that worked out. Uh, and, uh, a year later, and there was a factory that had been there that had,

if I recall rightly, it had, it had been the, the, uh, watch factory where the women would paint on the, I forget what it was, but it was nuclear, the atomic. They would paint on the glow in the dark thing, paint for the things. The radium girls. The radium, uranium? Yeah. And then you see the faces of those girls and how it ate their face because they would

lick the brush to make it apply better or something along those lines. And you see stuff like that, the foster grant stuff, the foster grant leftover lesions, the whole area that was out by a foster grant plan, I remember saying years ago, had tons of children that were born with medical issues. And I grew up in the 70s. So, you know, we saw the flames on in rivers and, you know, a bluff canal, the whole thing. I mean, we, I watched Jimmy Carter, you know, create the APA, but it's so funny that we still have this crap going on now while I'm 57. So, you know, I actually like the forever chemicals in the

Teflon pans because if you scrape the pan just right, you get a little bit of that mixed with your eggs, gives that nice spicy flavor. Yeah. You know, I think Chris, you're like all joking aside, you are right. A lot of people thought that, you know, back in the 70s was when things were bad and now everything's been taken care of. And what I think a lot of what I'm trying to do in this book is to say, look, not all chemicals are toxic. Many are they are in our homes and there, it's not, you know, just about polluting and rivers, you know, bursting in flames, but it's about polluting and rivers bursting in flames, but it's about our exposure every single day. And guess what? If those exposures didn't matter and scientists weren't concerned, we

might not have a problem on our hands. But the problem is, is we've got four decades of really strong peer-reviewed research. We've got major organizations like American Academy of Pediatrics, the Enderkin Society, you know, American Nurses Association that have all been really outspoken to say, look, we've got to do something about this. And so we've got a strong body of science, we still have a problem with toxic chemicals in our air, water and our products. And the good news is, is that over the last 20 years in my short career, we've seen a tremendous amount of state and federal laws that have started to turn off the tap

These things out of products and when I was starting in my early days, you know I was working to ban BPA from baby bottles. For example, it was like there's gonna be a shortage of baby bottles No one's gonna be able to feed their children and guess what? There's plenty of other materials Different types of safer plastics glass that are. And the markets have really responded and shifted to those new laws. And now people don't have to think about it when they go to shop for a baby bottle or buy something for someone's nursery

about exposing their child to BPA. Consumer choices matter, but to your point, we've got a long way to go. And I want people to really understand that there's a lot of work left to be done and it is possible. Pete Yeah. You know, I don't know if you get into this in the show or in your book and stuff, but

one of the things we had was an author several years ago come on that talked about parabens and estrogenics and different things being in our soaps and other things. I know that it used to make me sick. It used to bug me the, all my life it's always bugged me if anyone of my girlfriends who uses one of those fabric softeners in the thing. I can't handle that. That fucks with me.

That messes with me somehow. And then I didn't realize with parabens and other things it's basically fricking wax and that's all that thing is, is a piece of wax that just waxes your clothes to make it, make them softer. But it's not the best for you. In fact, a lot of, for a lot of young women, it's been giving them their, it's starting their periods much earlier because there's so much estrogen in our, in our chemical systems

and, you know, soaps and all this kind of crap. Same thing with men where we've seen testosterone dropping precipitously. And then the other thing I found out is lavender is pretty poisonous in the chemical version of what they use in like candles. And my mom would always have these candles on and then she'd have those plug-in things

where you plug it in, it burns the scent and puts it in the air. My mom would always have these candles on and then she'd have those plug-in things where you plug it in, it burns the scent and puts it in the air and it's, you know, it's some pretty, that stuff would screw with me, man. Yeah. I can't have it around me in my house. Yeah. And so, tell me about some of that if you want. Yeah.

So here's what's going on. We'll start with fragrances for the first. Fragrances are made up of not just like lavender, rose, et cetera. There are different chemical compounds that are kept secret from consumers. And by law, companies, whether they are creating that plugin in your home or in personal care

and beauty products, lots of things are fragranced. But if you flip over the label, by law, they don't have to tell you which ingredients are in there. Again, that wouldn't be a problem if there weren't actual problematic chemicals and ingredients that are used in fragrances. So some fragrance blends have up to 300 different ingredients. And the kind of biggest offenders that are commonly found are a class of chemicals called VOC is volatile organic compounds. Those are the ones that often are giving people headaches. There's also a class of chemicals called VOCs, volatile organic compounds. Those are the ones that often are giving people headaches. There's also a class of a bunch of different allergens.

So some people break out in rashes or have dermal reactions. And then the final category are phthalates, which are chemicals that are used to bind the fragrance to our skin. So you gave the example of the fragrance like the softening, you know, dryer sheets that are used, those have phthalates. And the reason you can pull a sweater off the shelf two weeks later and it still smells really strong is because a class of chemicals

called phthalates. Now phthalates are something I cover in my book. I actually interviewed one of the top scientists, Dr. Shauna Swan on phthalates, who found the first connection between increased phthalate levels in pregnant women and deformities of the reproductive tract, especially for boys. So she really looked at how these exposures have real meaningful impacts to our lives. And that's just like one of that's just one category of fragrances. And so I think one of the things is like, there are so many safer alternatives on the market. I give people actionable tips at the end of my book to be able to know how to prioritize what's in your home

because when people learn about this, Chris, they start to freak out and they start to think that they can shop their way to safety. And the reality is, is that we see a lot of researchers like using phthalates where when people stop using these products in their homes, whether it's food packaging or fragrances, we actually see the levels of those phthalates decrease in their bodies is in the shortest three days. So University of Berkeley, Duke, a bunch of different universities have been doing

research to show that removing these toxic chemicals can have a meaningful impact in actually lowering your levels. Is it possible they're making more people stupid? I don't know if you've been on Twitter lately, but... You know, it's... So, one of the things I actually talk about is that one of the most toxic things in our homes are these social media algorithms that are basically pushing alarming content. So if you've got one side that I call the perfectionist, it's people that

on social media are saying things like, you know, I want lead free lipstick, things that are kind of overstating science or things that aren't possible. And then the other side, you've got these dismissors I call who are saying, I don't believe any of this garbage about toxic chemicals, everything's safe, it's fine. And the reality is, is that the truth lives somewhere in between.

And so I think the role that social media plays is actually directly related to, this is a complicated topic. You can't summarize it in 15 second TikToks all the time. And what is happening is people are either getting unnecessarily alarmed by this topic or they're shrugging their shoulders and saying, none of that matters. Pete You know, I kind of, I had the guest on the show who wrote this book, I think it was called estrogenics, if people want to look it up. And he talked about parabens and

how it was affecting, you know, and I'm, I was about probably 44 or 54 at the time. And, and so, you know, I'm older and, but I was kind of noticing a fall off of my testosterone, you know, I'm part of that steel due to age. And so he says, you know, here's the stuff. And I'm like, okay, well, you know, I'll try your little, little thing here, boy, you know, and, uh, I was kind of, you know, just kind of like, yeah, whatever. Okay. Well, we'll see what this does.

So I bought a bunch of non-paraben stuff that he recommended, shampoo soaps. I think there was something else, uh, shaving cream and stuff. And I was kind of like, wow, this stuff's in everything. Okay. And so I used it for about, I don't know, two or three weeks and then I ran out of it. And so I was like, oh crap, I got to order more of the non-paraben stuff. So I ordered off of Amazon and in the day or two, I'm like, oh, I still have that old soap and shampoos underneath the sink. I'll just use those. And so yeah, I bathe daily people, the earlier joke, don't call me. So I used the soap and the shampoo and I came in the shower and my hands felt like I dipped them in paraben wax and then pulled them out. Like it felt like there was

a shell on my hands of wax and I was like, what the hell? And my hair was waxy and I was like, I don't feel clean at all. And it took me six washes, six washes to wash off that crap in my hands off my hands and try and get it off. And that's when I went, holy crap. There is something to this. And the same thing with my hair, like just trying to get rid of it and, and out of it. I'm sure maybe my hair wonderfully shiny, like the lead in lipstick, you know, it gives that beautiful shiny thing. So especially if you add asbestos too,

that makes it shine even more. I learned that from watching popcorn ceilings as a kid. What else should people know that you tease out in your book you talk about your book? I think the biggest thing that I want people to understand is that like everything, things are getting really politicized. And I think there's room and space for everyone, regardless of political party, to support

common sense limits to toxic chemicals or consumer products. I've worked in a bipartisan fashion my whole career, from people from the Deep South to the inner city of San Francisco. And I think there are very few issues that people can really rally behind and kind of agree on. And not wanting to be poisoned in our drinking water, our air and our products is something that most people agree on. And even though things are getting dicey and everything feels politicized, it actually gives me a lot of hope, knowing that we have made so much progress. So for example, I worked for 10 years to help pass the first

federal updates to our cosmetic safety laws, the first that had happened since 1938. FDR at the time had signed into law those. And this happened just a year and a half ago when Congress was still just as kind of, you know, bitterly partisan as it is right now. And I think if we can, as individuals come together, hold our elected officials accountable and show that there is a united movement of people that really want to make sure that they don't have to think about this, like I said earlier, this is of our long to do list, thinking about which pan to cook our eggs on or which

carpet to replace your home or kind of find you shouldn't have to have more money in order to afford a couch that isn't toxic to you and your family. I think there is a lot of power that we have if we roll up our sleeves, put our politics aside and hold our elected officials accountable. And I think there's a community and communities that I talk about in the book that also help connect people to what's in their home, to where those chemicals are made right here in the United States. So a lot of these petrochemical facilities are here in the United States and we've got what are called fence line communities. So communities that live in close proximity. So it's called Cancer Alley in Louisiana, for example.

It's a long string of chemical and plastics manufacturing facilities. And the cancer risk for those communities who are often low income and also communities of color is extraordinary compared to their white counterparts all across the United States. So maybe something like toxic flame returns and a black spatula isn't going to really make that much of a difference for you. But guess what? Communities

here in the United States are really exposed. And so I think of all the noisiness, I really want people to kind of not only connect the dots between what they purchase and what it means for the entire life cycle of a product. What does it mean for people who live next to the incinerators that burn the trash from our homes, including a lot of plastics? And once we start to ask smarter questions, I believe as we have seen, we'll start to be a little bit healthier. Definitely. Now, these forever chemicals, they kind of freaked me out because forever chemicals. And then what is this? Microbeads, micro- Classics. forever chemicals. And then what is this? Micro beads, micro plastics? Yeah, I mean,

they're good on Wheaties, but no, they're not folks. Just teasing. But don't put them on your Wheaties either. I buy a bag of them from Amazon and just, and eat them by the fistful. But no, seriously, I can see myself just anyway. I'd probably do that with popcorn that I shouldn't be eating, too. Caramel popcorn, that is. It stopped me before I segue again. Is there any way for me to get rid of these? I think I've heard of people trying to do blood transfusions to get rid of some forever

chemicals and crap. Dr. Patrick Peltz This is where things get into the anti-science category. There's a lot of detox diets, a lot of stuff. Honestly, Chris, the majority of it's all snake oil and I do not recommend it. The best thing you can do is to avoid exposure where you can up front.

But guess what, here's the deal. If you think about someone who was born in the late 70s, for example, if you look at when we banned DDT, the toxic pesticide that you may remember, for example, if you look at when we banned DDT, the toxic pesticide that you may remember, Agent Orange, people that have been born after a lot of these pollutants have been removed from the market, still have them in their body, right? So that should be alarming to us.

But also, you cannot control your way. You can't live in a bubble. That's not what we're suggesting here, nor is that what I suggest in my book. The reality of the fact is there the best thing you can do for your body is to focus on things like drinking a lot of water, eating healthy fruits and vegetables, getting exercise. Those are like natural detox pathways for your body. We have organs that help us detoxify a lot of these things and trying to prevent as much new exposures in your home. So the simplest tip I have for people is to buy half of the neonote stuff that they currently purchase. If you think about how much we buy so much more stuff than we did 1015

years ago, it is alarming. And a lot of that is because it's easy. You can have a click of a button, something can be on your doorstep a day or two later. So save yourself some money and also reduce your exposure to toxic chemicals by buying less things. Second, you can check out the action section in the back of my book that gives people real consumer tips at varying price points to help them shop the market in a way that will ultimately protect your family. And then the third is make sure you're calling your state and federal elected officials to say, I need you to get serious about microplastics. I need you to help ban

peak FOSSorous chemicals outright because we had the ability to do that for other large classes of chemicals like lead in children's toys. You know, just 15 years ago, there weren't limits on lead in children's toys and now there are. That was because people picked up the phone

because they were pissed off because there was lead in Thomas the Tank Engine toys. So again, we have the ability to be able to move both our elected officials and also the market away from some of these toxic hazards. Good. What would, I don't mean to drag you into the political spectrum because we're trying to get into the too much political here, unless it's a political book. Are we moving forward with this new administration in 2025 with Donald

Trump, second term, but it seems like they're unraveling a lot of environmental protections. One was like black lung environmental protections for coal miners and different things. It seems like we're kind of really, it's just, uh, we're going the wrong way. What, what are your, what are your thoughts on that? Or do you want to comment on it? No, I can speak to that. Um, I think, look, regardless of if someone likes a president or not, you should still be able to

hold that president in their cabinet accountable. And what I see is the facts before us is that major pieces of legislation that I and many organizations that I feature in the book have helped pass are actively being rolled back. So the latest is asbestos. The Asbestos Disease Awareness Organization, the leading advocacy group worked for decades to ban asbestos, which you would think we would have done that in the 70s, 80s, 90s,

even in the early 2000s. And it wasn't until just a few years ago that we banned the use of asbestos in this country. The current administration has actively asked for a 30 month delay to study asbestos more. We've had rollbacks to things like PFAS limits that were really going to help in wastewater, rolling back toxic air pollutants that people breathe and children are exposed to every single day. So I am concerned.

And that's one of the reasons I wrote the book is to say, for all the work that we need to do, we also need to make sure that the laws that we have passed in the last two decades hold firm. And this is where I want people to take a deep breath and again, be willing to pick up the phone call or phone to call our elected officials because the basic protections we do have, it's like, I would have never thought I'd be talking about the asbestos ban being rolled back. It's like, if ever there was a substance that we could connect to harm, asbestos is one of those. We've had super fun sites and EPA things that have made people

clean up their best. This and it led, that's been left over by industrial use. Uh, yeah, I can't believe we're still, you know, 2025, we're arguing about a best this like is it good or bad? Who knew? But yeah, I mean, this is the thing folks, you've gotta be engaged in your democracy and everybody is a steward of that democracy. And yeah, whether you like who's in the White House, still, you know, it just astounds me

because I don't have children and I'd be losing my freaking mind if I had children right now in seeing what's going on because I would, I give a shit about their future. I would. And I also would give a shit about what I'm putting in their bodies. You know, I've had, you know, one of the things that's kind of interesting to me, how much toxins are in like these chemicals that women use? Cause women are putting them all over their bodies. You know, the, I, I've gone into my girlfriends when they're, when they're, uh,

over the years, when they're, you know, doing their makeup, spraying their hair and shit, and I'll start choking up in there, especially like the hairspray and stuff like that. And I'm just like, Holy crap, honey, you're spending two hours in here a day, you know, putting this stuff in your face. I don't even know how safe this is. And then you mentioned something that kind of triggered that, how much of that ends up in the womb with children and stuff. And, you know, we see these higher rates of, of people on the spectrum children and stuff. And, you know, we see these higher rates of people on the spectrum and different things. And, you know, there's always questions whether that's tied together, but are those, you know, whether causation is, correlation is causation or whatever.

But still, I mean, you kind of have to wonder a little bit about some of it, because, you know, I've heard there's some really awful things in women's makeup. Yeah. I think what the peer-reviewed research shows is that there are problematic chemicals that are used in beauty products, especially those that are designed for and targeted to black women. So, when you think about synthetic hair braids, Consumer Reports just did a study of different carcinogenic chemicals that are commonly found in those. Skin lightening creams, for example, have been intentionally, mercury is used again,

a toxic heavy metal is used as the actual lightening agent, hair straightening, different treatments for example. So a lot of these are Eurocentric beauty standards that are placed upon women of color and then products that are highly toxic in order to address those. So there's a lot of different layers to unpack there, which is problematic. But at the end of the day, look, we've got various different toxic chemicals that are still allowed in beauty products. We've got stricter regulations over in the European Union than we currently still do here in the United States. Although we did,

as I mentioned, make some good progress a couple years ago, there's still a lot of work to do, like allowing public transparency around those fragrance ingredients that I mentioned. But the science is pretty clear on a couple things. So like you mentioned autism, for example, there's actually not great peer-reviewed science showing a direct connection between the different chemicals that are used in makeup products and autism. So people kind of talk about that and sometimes like throw it around. And there's not strong science, but that doesn't mean there isn't an opportunity for us to remove these toxic chemicals because we know there's an exploding market of a bunch of different companies that have really found a way to make the same beautiful lipstick, blush, mascara, whatever you want to wear without the toxic chemicals.

So it's really a no-brainer. If I'm going to give you a product A and product B, one that might have a carcinogen, one that might hurt your baby and one that doesn't, you're going to choose the one that doesn't with the more studied ingredients. And so I think at the end of the day, sometimes speculation around different health effects can do harm in this conversation, because what we're really looking at is chronic disease, which things like neurodiversity is not a chronic disease, but we're looking at if there's many different ways you could develop cancer in your lifetime. There's your genetics, there's the food you eat, there's where you live,

and then there's environmental exposures like toxic chemicals in your home. This is one piece of the pie that we can remove from that overall risk than we should. But ultimately, we're not gonna be able to guarantee our health anyway, and we don't have a crystal ball, but it's certainly something that feels very common sense. Yeah, I mean, the less is better. I mean, we're exposed to so much stuff through the air,

through the environment, you know, your skin is like, you know, a living breathing organ. Is it your largest organ in your body, I think? Anna Yeah. Pete I flunked biology, clearly. But, you know, I mean, we're just exposed to all this crap and, and yeah, the less, the more. I learned this with eating the food that I was putting in my body. I lost over 100 pounds changing my diet, but also realizing how much chemicals were in there.

One last question before we move to some of the stuff you do on your website. The segue, and I fucked it. It'll come back to me. Let's talk about what goes on with your website, some of the things you do offer there so if people out in the environment want to hire you for speaking or advice, et cetera, et cetera, they can take a do that. Yeah, absolutely. So, I write weekly on Substack at LindsayDoll and I also have a website, lindsaydoll.com.

I work by day as the Chief Impact Officer at Ritual, a supplement company. And I, yeah, I do everything from writing to speaking, and I give guest lectures. I was just lecturing at a couple of different colleges and conferences. So if anyone's interested in really kind of understanding what the science does and does not say about this toxic chemical problem that we have, I'm here. Pete And so, you do that by day. At night, are you a bat woman? No, I'm just… Julie No, at night is when I was writing this book,

Cleaning House. Pete Oh, that'll do it. You can do that in the spare time there. So, I'm glad you're out there fighting. I'm glad you're out there educating. You know, I think we've had some people on that have cosmetics that are designed to be more natural and more healthy. So if people are searching for that on the show, they can Google that or they can read your book or both. You can do both and all that good stuff. I had a good question and it's woohoo, just hit the farm there. But that's what old age does folks. The dementia is kicking in. Call the funny farm for me. I'm ready to go. Thank

you very much for coming to the show. We really appreciate it. Give us your.coms as we go out and people can look you up on the internet. Yep, lindsaydahl.com and you can find me at instagram at lindsay, lindsay underscore doll. Thank you. Thank you very much, Lindsay. Continue success with what you're doing. Thank you for having me. Thank you. And clearly I'm having a seizure, I guess. Thanks for tuning in. Go to goodrease.com for just Chris Foss, LinkedIn.com for just Chris Foss. Chris Foss won the Tiktokity. Oh, it was a crazy place. Be good to each other.

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