The Chris Voss Show - The Chris Voss Show Podcast – Clubhouse App Discussion with Guests Daniel Robbins & Kate Hancock of Inspired By Her Podcast

Episode Date: February 2, 2021

Clubhouse App Discussion with Guests Daniel Robbins & Kate Hancock of Inspired By Her Podcast IBHmedia.co Inspiredbyher Podcast

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We just had the podcast magazine editor on, the CEO, and we were talking about Clubhouse and some of the different features there. You should see that in the preceding podcast, so if you missed that, be sure to check that out. And Clubhouse just is really turning into a place to meet people, get to know people, network, and everything else, and wonderful serendipity where you meet incredible people like the two folks we have on now. Let's introduce them. We have Kate Hancock and Daniel Robbins. Welcome to the show. Hi, I'm honored to be here. Thank you, Chris, for inviting us. Thank you. We're honored to have you and Daniel. Yeah, thank you, Chris. This is amazing. I've been following you listening to your show for a long time. So I'm honored.

I'm glad to have you. And I'm glad to have a listener. I think you're the only two. No, I'm just kidding. There might be four. So give us your guys' plugs. Tell us where you guys, what you guys do and how you do it. Hi. Yeah. So my name is Kate Hancock. I started my business actually with $20 through e-commerce. I scale it to a million after a year and 15 million after four years. Well, exited that. I am also a founder of a hotel brand in Asia. I really run it remotely, start from scratch, roll and my team built it and well that shut down right now for a year shocking and I am also a founder of an award-winning spa in Orange County that shut down again right for a year so Chris I've been pivoting that's why my handle name in Clubhouse is the Pivot Queen and so now we're

pivoting to creating unique spaces through Airbnb, and that's doing really well. And we launched our Beauty Mastermind. We help beauty business owners to scale their business. Nice. And then you have a podcast too. Yes. Why did I forget that? I host a podcast called Inspired by Her,

and my why is to inspire 100 million million entrepreneurs in the world there you go inspired by her with kate hancock podcast there you can find it i'm sure on the interwebs do you want to give it.com for that so people can look that up yeah it's if you go to kate hancock.com you'll get a link and subscribe to my podcast there you go. Daniel, tell us about yourself and your links. Yeah, I mean, that was pretty much everything. That was the combination of the two of us. So she said it best. But yeah, something that we're working on,

like she said, is the IBH Media, where we do different types of media, like podcasts. We have awards going on and we have other digital assets. But yeah, just check out khancock.com and you can get all the links there you go guys there you go so we met on uh well we met i think originally on linkedin and then i was on clubhouse at the same time you reached out to me and stuff and uh you guys have had an interesting adventure of serendipity and interesting things happen on clubhouse so have i uh let's start out with your

take on clubhouse how would you describe it because there's a lot of people still don't know what it is how would you describe clubhouse i'll let whoever wants to go first to take a swing at that one yes so clubhouse it's kind of it's a niche social app that mimics it is like a podcast slash radio it's slash mastermind live master mastermind for free. Like it's crazy for you not to join. I think I've grown so much the last 30 days I've been in Clubhouse. So it's, people share stories, business strategies, you know, you can have rich conversation, some crazy conversation, depending on which room, rooms are not created equal so you really have to curate it yourself you're responsible for your own learning that's true or just goofing off like we

do in our room of zillionaires we we do a lot of parody and stupid things and sometimes you just talk about nothing it's kind of like the seinfeld show how would you describe it daniel yeah i mean exactly like you said it depends on what room you're in depends on who you're around but i like to tell people if you took two million people i think that's how many users they have and you put them on an island and you just watched from afar how their society would form that's clubhouse there you go i just like the fact that it doesn't turn into lord of flies and everyone kills each other that was, that was a bad movie of people being stuck. Not yet. We'll see. Hopefully that won't happen.

There's still time though. Yeah. Right. But no, it's, it's an interesting community and it's interesting how is taking care of itself. People are being very respectful. I was talking with that with the podcast editor, um, uh, podcast magazine or Steve, um, Steve-O I'll, I'll just say, cause I can't remember his with the podcast editor, podcast magazine, Steve, Steve O. I'll just say because I can't remember his last name. But I was talking with him and I said, you know, it's really great how it places itself.

You go over to Twitter and Twitter has just become synonymous with a cesspool of hate and racism and just just toxic vitriol trolls. It's just, I had one guy write me one time and he said, he said, you know, he said something just hateful and stupid, which I just went, duh, dude. Like, why, why are you bothering? Like, what is this your thing? And he goes, this is what you do on Twitter. You write hateful troll stuff. I'm like, no, that's not, it's not actually what Twitter was created for, man. You guys have bastardized the element of what twitter really should be um but i mean there you go and so i'm really happy with clubhouse and uh i talked with uh in our prior podcast about some of the episodes we had but you guys had some unique experience too what are some of the serendipitous moments

you've experienced on the app yeah you know chris is crazy when i before i started actually i have a very close friend that she's telling me don't join the clubhouse because it has a negative press right but the curious me like my eyes like this is new so i gotta be in there right being an early adapter i'm glad that i'm i'm so open-minded so i actually started what december 12 and. And in the beginning, I would just create the room. I don't know what the heck, I was in a rapper room. So I was like, there was a wave of society coming in, right? It was like the tech and then there is the rapper room and then the marketer, the wave of marketer. That's when I joined. So, but in the beginning, I was like,

man, I feel out of place. It's like the rapper room, like, well, I can jam, but it's not really my jam. Right. And so finally I get into one of the room, the power circle, and I know him spec. He's the one of the club greater. And so I was a little bit getting a little bit of experience what clubhouse is all about and then december 25 christmas day it was a boring i said dan we don't have family what are we gonna do let's open a clubhouse a room man chris that turned into a 20 days 24 hours marathon it took a hit that is crazy what was the room about well i'm really passionate about business so my room room title is what it takes to run a million dollar biz and there's so many like dollar sign i made sure it was seven figure so we talk about how to run a million dollar business and grand cardone was there. He made a deal

live, a movie deal live in my room. Oh, wow. So that was made in your room. Yes, it is. Everyone's been talking about that. Yes, it was in our room and my God, the rest is history. I mean, a lot of people like you and Ty Lopez and Damon John was said,

Kate, I like your room and Grant Cardone was to say would say hey how are you crazy pivot girl like he knows I'm I don't I've heard of Grant Cardone but I never get a chance to talk to him but in a clubhouse it is really a frictionless way of knowing people people are so open yeah I've seen I don't know if it was your room but i saw gail in one room i saw there was like three i think it was one that where they had three mayors talking the miami mayor i think and the texas mayor or maybe it was texas and maybe it was texas miami and san francisco mayors and they were talking and it was kind of interesting the conversation because the part

of it was hey you're stealing all of our tech people and moving them to where you guys are at um but this is really interesting so it ran for 24 or 20 days 24 7 7 days a week yes that's crazy yeah so like she was saying we didn't really find the business entrepreneur community right there wasn't really any rooms doing this when we got there. So we said, let's start this one. As you know, a hundred people came in, in an hour, then a few hours later, there was 200 people, then a few hundred more people. And we're just blown away. Like, why are these people coming in this room, listening to us on Christmas day? So some amazing people came in that helped us moderate and behind the scenes, we connected with them and said, Hey, let's keep this going so we started a chat we created standard operating procedures forms you know what happens when you get some business people together right yeah yeah so that really happened with

collaboration chris um literally launching that room it's like launching a brand new product line so um our topic is all about what it takes to run a million dollar business. So we're very picky about who really will get or give advice. You need to have at least a million dollar company because you have no business of advising people. You have not really run a million dollar revenue company, right? So we have, we have forms, we have SO we have sop i build a super team behind the scene i mean my hands were so tight i'm typing because i have to coach the moderator okay there's dead silence to do this is the format like that's all i've been doing i didn't get a chance to talk i was behind the scene running the whole thing so it literally is live south by southwest and for you

to run a successful room, it takes a lot of effort to run it. Yeah, you got to produce it almost just like you would produce a podcast. Yeah, and this is like last minute. I'm creating SOP as we were happening because we have a thousand people in there and it just went crazy in a good way.

But we have structured, we have a good moderator to run it. And sometimes you get tired and needs energy you're drinking i literally finished the whole coffee from costco because i need that for 24 hours now did you what back channel did you guys use some people use instagram groups some people using slack i use facebook group ah facebook you go. Yeah, so we were chatting behind the scene. And so it's crazy because a lot of people that you're seeing right now with a huge following in Clubhouse actually started in our room. That's awesome.

Yeah, that's great. I'm happy for them. So when you guys did the 20 days straight, and for people that don't know what a room is room is kind of like an event hall uh like if you would go to south by our ces and there's like a panel that sits on the stage or the dais and then they talk to the audience and sometimes they interact with the audience depend upon the room and how it's set up uh did you guys stay up 24 7 do you guys take turns doing it or yeah we took turns so we have people from uk

running it from their time and then we have some from germany people and australian people like so we have a whole sheets of schedule who's doing this in its google docs so it is really fun because someone told me okay the longest room in clubhouse is 12 days it's like oh let's beat it let's make it 13 days so i was up for challenge and i would never be number two it has to be number one that's what happened no that was so much fun and i met a lot of people like you and really build a lot of um friendship and maybe future partnerships so it's it's been really wonderful i mean i'm super humbled by the experience there's a lot of work i have to say though yeah yeah it sounds like it the production of it yeah i've done a little bit of it but we've never really

gotten that serious i like have one collaborator professional comedian that we collaborate when we do the zillionaire thing the rest of it i just kind of do coffee networking with chris voss and we hang out but what's always interesting about is the 24 like you say the nature of it because like you know last night last night things kind of slowed down i think about 1 a.m or 2 a.m and then all of a sudden the australians and the british start showing up and then if i do the coffee in the mornings the chris voss show uh it's usually the british people about four or five and then it's about 6 a.m people start showing up from the u.s and you just you're just going around the globe with uh circling it yeah i think the amazing thing that we're going to start seeing now that i believe is last week they mentioned how many people from

europe joined and it was a ton of people from europe I think what we're going to see is as these phases of different parts of the world come in, but the fact that you're going to be able to connect with people that you would never have been able to connect with from all around the world. I mean, it's opening up so many different things in terms of like business partnerships, like he was saying, information sharing relationships. I mean, I can't wait for a year from now when the whole world can get into this app and i mean i don't think we're ever going to see anything like this uh in our lifetimes around the ability to connect with people from everywhere yeah i don't i i hope they keep this as a standalone if they sell it out it's gonna die uh that's what happened to

linkedin linkedin was ruined by ruined by Microsoft Myspace the same thing Google Plus has never been able to get anything off the ground the closest they got was Google Plus and they ruined it it's just when they're owned by big companies like no one just gives a shit as much as an entrepreneur and it seems like too there's kind of an indication of when you

get bought out they're like nah they're over the hill you know what's next but I love it one of the things that's interesting too and when you get bought out, they're like, ah, they're over the hill. You know, what's next? But I love it. One of the things that's interesting too is, you know, I've run rooms where I just fall asleep. And it's really wild because me and like my professional friend, Dwayne Jackson, will get up and he's a professional comedian.

I'm just some amateur halfwit. And we get up and we kind of do like a little bit for, I don't know, a few minutes or something. And the room just takes it and just like, it's kind of like being a comedian where you stand on stage for five minutes and then all of a sudden the audience is like, yeah, we're going to take all your material and we're just going to sit here and joke about it for the next 12 hours. And you're just like, what the hell?

And there's been times where both of us, we just, we were laying in our bed and we had it playing there and you know we chime in every now and then but uh i think the one room i had for the zillionaires went to like 8 a.m in the morning before they finally all bugged out and go and did something else and of course i got to sleep so it was it was a good number but it's crazy. Well, I'm going to share this story. I mean, when Grant Cardone was there, he was giving away 10 grand and people were offering money to people. And someone even gave an electric scooter to someone that, I mean, she doesn't have a car. She needs to go to work.

So people were donating money, but then people were messaging us. But then all of a sudden, we don't want it to be a room because people need money. I mean, we want to change. Because I built a really good culture. Our goal is to really help entrepreneurs that are stuck right now, don't know what's their next move. So I want to keep it that way. But people were so generous. And a lot of things happened in that room.

I mean, like I said, movie deal. And what are all the things that happened in that room. I mean, like I said, movie deal and it's, what are all things happen in that room? And it was fascinating to me. One of the proponents of social media was the recession of 2008 and depression, basically, or it was, it was borderline depression and people out of work. I was out of work. I, my companies had fallen to the depression. I started a lot of different little projects that try and, you know, make money. And, like, nothing would click. And that's where Twitter came out of it.

And I found going on Twitter, I could get traffic to my websites just by advertising. I'm like, this is pretty cool. You know, and suddenly I've got, you know, thousands and thousands of visitors just tweeting the button. And I'm like, I just hit this tweet button and, and, and visitors come to the site. And so it was quite extraordinary. And so a lot of that stuff grew out of that because people were out of work and they were looking for money and trying to figure out new, what they're going to do. So it opened up this whole new thing and clubhouse probably is that perfect moment. I mean, we've kind of been living with the, uh, zoom. But, you know, the thing is a lot of people don't like being on video.

Sometimes, you know, you don't mind interacting, but you really don't want to be sitting there. You've seen all the jokes about where people make a model of themselves sitting there. They make a facade or, you know, there's other people who get caught doing bad things on video that they shouldn't. And they're lost out of their news job um but the great thing about this is you don't have to have your makeup on like i do you know i don't have to put all my makeup on to make me look good uh do my hair you can just sit and listen and the other thing i love about too and we talked about this in the prior show with the podcast magazine ceo is you you people don't judge you by your looks.

They judge you by the value of what you deliver in, in, in the information that you share. And so they don't look at you and go, Oh, you're not pretty. Or you've got a radio face like me, um, or make judgments about anything really about your looks. They, they might judge your avatar maybe a little bit but that doesn't still really tell you who a person is uh and uh but and so it really comes down to that core information that you give people and i think that's really important as well yeah and i think that sense of community and a sense of voice is truly what we're missing right now especially in

lockdown but what i love about clubhouse is if you're really smart and you know what you're doing, you have so much value to share, that's when you shine, right? You can't fake things. Like it's, you can't script things. Like people are asking you a question and you can tell who's really the real player

and who's just playing it off. And so this is a time where the instagram influencer they can't talk because they have i mean i'm not trying to downplay it but i love how people that has done great things can shine and that's what i love about especially in the in the business category from what i'm seeing you just can't fake things yeah and not to knock people that are pretty and better looking to me but but they certainly excel on like youtube and instagram and tiktok like i have trouble making progress on tiktok unless i do something political but i can't appear on screen uh and uh you know instagram i i can get the podcast going over

there people kind of check it out but you know mean, they're going to the pretty girls and the boobs and everything else. But on Clubhouse, I can really stand out because I've got a lot of business experience and share stuff. I'm kind of funny. People laugh. So I can do stupid stuff like the zillionaire thing. There's been a lot of serendipitous moments that I've seen. One was just the other day. It was my birthday, and I was sitting in a room with strangers kind of hosting a network.

Introduce yourself. Tell us who you are. And it's been kind of really cool. One of my friends who likes having more people on his podcast than I do, he has a wider range of people he likes to have on. He's picked up like five or six guests just being in my rooms. And people don't know. They just come and they introduce themselves, and I go, hey, let's see what sort of serendipity happens and all of a sudden

they're on his podcast they're like wow man i got a podcast in your room and i'm like yeah cool and that's that's how serendipity works but i was in a room with strangers and one of my friends comes in and he goes hey did you guys know it's chris voss's birthday today and i'm like oh man come on and uh they're like oh no and uh he goes uh we should all sing happy birthday to chris and i you know i'm one of those guys who gets hundreds of birthday things between linkedin facebook and everything else so my wonderful friends but you know they write you a little note and this maybe this thing a little cute uh little gif or something and it's wonderful but to have a room of strangers that don't know me just care enough to sing happy birthday it was really touching like brought a tear i'm like oh my gosh this is amazing yeah i have to share this one

lady i'm not gonna mention her name but she, thank you for inviting me. Thank you for making me emcee in your room. And, you know, I just want to let you know in real life, I don't want to be seen because I'm awkward. I'm so tall, but thank you for giving me a platform to speak. And I was like, man, you don't know, you know, what your people are. I mean, it's just, it's just, I think for me, it's so beautiful. That sense of community and really people are so embracing and open. I hope it stays that way.

I really do. I really am hoping it's that way that like people are so generous of their time. I'm praying that it's not going to be a quarter bigger and then it's just going to be not fun as it is now. Yeah. What do you think daniel yeah kate actually did a room for me on my birthday because that was uh 24th so yeah similar birthdays and everyone happy birthday to you too man um i'm gonna go on there next time and see you and i'm gonna sing happy birthday but um you don't have to do that it's over i'm 53 dude i'm trying to bury all the birthdays

hide the birthday so yeah so people pop in and they would pop in and say happy birthday and we just we just met these people recently like you're saying they're i mean a lot of them are strangers some of them you know we've gotten to know over the last few weeks but you just really feel like you really know these people it's crazy how i almost know these people more than i know friends we've had for five years ten years because you're willing, like you said, I think the audio and non-video gives you the opportunity to share. People cry every day in the room because of the vulnerabilities that they share

and things. I don't think they're telling their best friends. Right. But because that audio, yeah, I've never seen anything like it there. They're just so vulnerable and willing to share. And there's just so many kind people, You know, not everyone is a saint, right? Not everyone is great. That's just life. But the majority of people, if you surround yourself with great people, because you're great, you're going to find them here. And I think I was telling everybody, if it's your birthday, let's do a birthday room. And let's, you know, let's do that for everybody. Cause it's to your point, it's a really cool feeling right like that's right well i think dan i think what works is to be really

clear with our purpose and we built that culture in our room that it's a safe space for everyone because you can't do it in other rooms i mean people will throw stone at you if you share your stories you know so like so i'm glad that we were able to do that and open that platform to everyone so we're trying to be the dni warrior the diversity inclusion and i don't want everyone open up and get a chance to talk so yeah i had someone uh in one of the rooms uh she kind of started breaking down she was talking about her problems with her business and uh everyone leaped in to help and uh i had a networking connection that was kind of in the same vein that she was in another city that would probably work together with her.

And so I was able to put that together. One thing that was interesting is we had a whole flash mob, like a room from like 200 people. They decided to flash mob several rooms. It was late at night. We were just bored sitting around doing absolutely nothing. And they rage in the room, filled it up. They all changed their avatar to, I think it was banana milk.

And, uh, they were just funny as hell. They gave us a rap and we went from just kind of sitting around going, well, it was just a few of us sitting here at the, it was like midnight, you know know and all of a sudden they came in uh suddenly i had like 100 to 200 more followers on clubhouse i had like maybe 100 more instagram followers and they were messaging me on instagram they're like hey thanks for being cool and all that stuff and it was fun. And then they went and flash mobbed another group. And I don't think the other group liked that as much.

I think Grant Cardone and people were in there and they're like, this is a serious group, but you know, this is what I saw a lot with the early days of Twitter. And that's, that's really what excites me about clubhouses is this, this fresh sort of experimenting where people are trying everything. They're kicking all the tires. They're trying to figure out what's going on. And that's what really

excites me about the app. Yeah, it's super, super exciting. I wish they would open it up as a user for if they go in public, if we could invest in it, that would be amazing. That would.

That would. Yeah, there's a lot of deals happening behind the scene, which is amazing, fascinating to me. And when it comes to generosity, we have this lady and she said, I couldn't afford to pay my commercial lease this month.

The landlord was really ready to kick her out and people actually donated for her i know everyone crap sarah so her name is sarah so i she was grateful in her room i was like who like you never i mean there's so many amazing soul in in this world and that's really inspiring any other stories you want to share daniel yeah no i mean it's there's so many stories but i think i think there's still some misconceptions around because of what the media is portraying you know every day there's either a positive or a negative article and i think that's everything in life, right? It is what you make it. So find your tribe and then stick to those people. I mean, definitely follow the Chris Voss. I mean, Chris Voss shows everywhere Chris Voss goes. I love your icon in there, but yeah,

it is what you make it. And I think you can make it something amazing. Plus, when is the next time you're going to get in the ground floor of any social media app like you said if you got in on twitter in the beginning the business and the relationships that you can build it's a it's rarely happens so uh yeah i mean get in there and what's funny is now that you mention it i still have like so many of the friends from those early days twitter back then just had a skeleton crew of people ev jack and biz were a bunch of fucking idiots i mean twitter's the clown car that crashed into success they didn't know what they had people like me shaped it people like developers shaped it we showed them how to do it

uh they didn't want to do retweets they didn't want to do hashtags uh they want to do their own way and then they fought amongst each other uh it literally is the clown car that crashed into success and uh so there was a lot of us that were kind of bound together that were doing like twitter customer service and we're helping people that would get suspended because their their code was so jacked up it was constantly suspending or crashing you know fail well you know two or three times a day it was a nightmare and so we were helping people and then teaching people how to use twitter and and basically that community that was doing that and i still have those friends

to this day like you know and what's funny is there were some of the people jumped on clubhouse too immediately and i'm like oh that's my old friend from like 12 13 years ago or how long it is now that's amazing yeah now this is i'm even super excited about it like i said it's cool to be part of the better um stage because you're really helping shape the future of an app and so that's like that got me addicted every day. Cause it's changing now, like the last few days, like it's changing. It's like, you can't keep up. Right. But seeing that transition of a different wave and different experience, it's fascinating to me as a, as a person. Most definitely. Well, as we go out guys, anything more you want to throw out or just give me your

plugs and we'll take it out yeah absolutely if you're in clubhouse you can join our club what it takes to run a million dollar business our goal is to reach 100k members this year there you go i'm goal i'm about goal chris that's why we made it 20 days straight the problem with me is i want to get it done in 90 days instead of 12 months so uh club pod just hit 20 21 000 they said yeah i'm a member in his he's awesome steve yeah yeah it's great so yeah the potential is there especially the growth rate of the app i hopefully they'll get on android soon soon. I can't stand iPhone. But, yeah. And, you know, there's so many different ways people are using it.

That's what I love is it's like a grand experiment right now. You know, Twitter really clamped down. When Twitter came down to the developers and said, no, we don't want you guys to experiment with anything anymore. We're going to do it our way. And thankfully you showed us a way to do it, but now we're going to muscle on. That's when

twitter really lost its creative edge and lost its element i mean you should have owned messaging um in so many different other aspects it should own live video like periscope and stuff it just fumbled the ball in so many ways with poor management and hopefully these guys don't make that mistake i hopefully they don't exit and sell it to somebody. They should keep it as a standalone, in my opinion. And they should also let the community help decide what it's going to be. I mean, sure, they're going to put fucking ads on it. They put ads on everything.

That's the way of the business model. But, you know, you see people using pay apps and different ways to pay people for different things. And the community is just loving it. And I think, I think they just, as long as they keep that good ear to the ground and go, let's let the community develop this and see what works. It should be pretty good. Yeah. I think the, at one point the owner of the app stopped by our room.

Yeah, he did. Yeah. Maybe a few minutes. Yes it was it was crazy that's when people were giving away money and then they do a weekly thing where they talk to the community and listen yeah i think the i think that's why we're gonna see it might be a little bit different than other social media platforms but they have plus they have a lot that they can go off of right um they can see like you're saying, what mistakes did Twitter make? But they genuinely, I heard in the beginning, it was just them in a room,

and they talked to every single person that came in for days upon days. I mean, they're backed by a huge VC firm that doesn't look like they have any time of selling out, and they just made another injection of money. So I think this could be rivaling Facebook and other companies. I think it's a Twitter killer. That's what I think. But Twitter killers, Twitter was dead before Donald Trump's presidency. And now that he's gone, likely it will die off again.

And I think, you know, I'd rather talk to people than type stuff, type out like code. Give us your guys' plugs, your dot coms as we go go out and so people can check you guys out on the interwebs yeah just check out khancock.com uh and then you can get all our links right there we also have a challenge if you are in the uh in the aesthetic world aestheticchallenge.com but uh yeah go to khancock.com send us a message and join our club and plug that podcast one more time i'm a big podcast plugger yes it's inspired by her so uh we're in itunes and spotify and look us up thank you it's been wonderful to have you both on thanks for very much for coming by thank you thanks for having us this is so much. I look forward to the fact that hopefully 13 years from now,

I'll be best friends. And we'll be like, remember that one time we'll be sitting on an old, uh, uh, you know, porch in a rocking chair is going, you remember that one time we started that.

Yeah. Well, let's, I remember like what, December 23rd, their evaluation for clubhouse at 1 billion. So let's see what's going to be next. Yeah.

Hopefully they share the wealth. They won't, but, you know. It's a nice dream. It is nice. Thank you so much. All right. Thank you very much. Thanks to my audience for tuning in.

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