The Chris Voss Show - The Chris Voss Show Podcast – Dare Mighty Things: A Journey from the Potato Fields to a Ph.D by William E Liverman

Episode Date: January 16, 2026

Dare Mighty Things: A Journey from the Potato Fields to a Ph.D by William E Liverman https://www.amazon.com/Dare-Mighty-Things-Journey-Potato/dp/B0FMMWB9Y8 Dr. Liverman’s book, A Journey From the Potato Fields to a PhD, is a story about Dr. William Liverman, who by God’s grace overcame insurmountable odds to achieve outstanding results in his journey to success. Dr. Liverman’s journey began in the Jim Crow South, where he and his seven siblings were miraculously rescued from a devastating fire that reduced their home to ashes on a frigid winter night in Weeksville, North Carolina. All that Dr. Liverman, his mother, and siblings had left were the clothes on their backs. Dr. Liverman has a bachelor’s degree in chemistry from Elizabeth City State University, a master’s in the art of teaching from Marygrove College, and a Doctor of Education, specializing in teacher leadership, from Walden University. Although Dr. Liverman’s mother did not finish high school, she was determined that her eight children would complete college. As a result, all of them have earned graduate and postgraduate degrees. Dr. Liverman retired from teaching in June 2024, concluding a fifty-year career (twenty-five years in sales and marketing, and twenty-five years in teaching). He is an award-winning speaker with Toastmasters International. Dr. Liverman earned the prestigious Distinguished Toastmaster (DTM) award in February 2019, which is the highest honor in public speaking and leadership. Dr. Liverman was elected to serve on the State of Michigan Foster Care Review Board. The mission of the review board is to utilize citizen volunteers to review and evaluate permanency planning outcomes for families in the Michigan foster care system. Dr. Liverman has served in ministry for over fifty years and is presently on the executive board at his local church in Ferndale, Michigan. Dr. Liverman and his wife, Karen, reside in Southfield, Michigan. They are the proud parents of ten children, seven of whom were adopted. Dr. and Mrs. Liverman recently celebrated their forty-ninth wedding anniversary.

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if I can learn to speak, this book entitled, Dare Mighty Things, a Journey from the Potato Fields to a Ph.D. by William E. Liverman. We're going to get into it with him and find out some of his details, et cetera, et cetera. It's a story about him who by God's grace overcame insurmountable odds to achieve outstanding results in his journey to success. He began his life in the Jim Crow South, where he and seven siblings were miraculously rescued from a devastating fire that reduced their home to ashes on a frigid winter night in Weeksville, North Carolina. And all that Dr. Liverman, his mother and siblings had left were the clothes on their backs and he tells the story in his book. Welcome to show, sir. How are you? I'm doing great, Chris.

I'm so excited to be here. I've been thinking about this for the past three months and today has arrived. So I appreciate the invitation. I'm looking forward to sharing my story and thank you very much after this appearance today. Thank you. And give us any dot com's website, social media. Where would you want people to find out more about you on the interwebs? Yes, Chris. In terms of my story, the story, first of all, I'm on all the social media, most at least. We have William Liverman at Facebook.com, William Liverman, and Instagram.com, as well as YouTube. Okay. Is there a dot-com separate on its own by chance?

Yes, that's correct, yes. And what's the address for that, so people can look that up? If they look up William Liverman at YouTube. Okay. And William Liverman at Facebook.com. Okay. And William Liverman at Instagram. Okay.

You'll find that as well, in addition to the, in terms of contact to me, my book is presently on Amazon. In fact, we have a five-star rating on Amazon. Nice. Almost had that from day one. And a book was on in publishing September. Oh, right. And we also have, we're also on Barnes & Noble, also Google Play, as well as iTunes. In short time, we have very excited about the progress of the book at this point.

Awesome, sauce. So, William, give us a 30,000 over-view. What's inside your book? The inside of the book, basically, the life journey. From the time the house burned down in the Jim Crow South to the time, elementary school, middle school, high school, college and advanced education. We basically shares the journey. The journey from the potato fields when I was based in elementary school up to the time, up to now.

So each chapter builds on that journey and it feels like building the house. Each layer of the bricks builds on the top. So the bottom line is that every point is kind of related to in the chapter. Everything is kind of more or less related. Yeah. Now, so you were born in. the Jim Crow South. And now, did you mention that

you were picking potatoes and fields in your elementary school ages, or wasn't sure on that? I wanted to clarify that. I have eight siblings, and we all, except my baby sister, Dora, we basically all worked in the potato

fields. Wow. And during that time, you would, before, when it was dark, and then from sun up to sundown, We were in those potato fields on our knees, picking up those potatoes. Then they would have a truck. We'll come back. We would put the bagers on the truck.

And that was the whole process, hard work. But again, that was the foundation of where I am now. I learned the value of hard work and always moving forward. What did that feel like as a young man having that experience where you're out there, you know, I mean, most people don't start jobs to like, you know, 1620? What did it feel like at that young of an age? Was it overwhelming? What was the experience like, if you could flesh that out?

Thanks, Chris, for the question. I would say, overwhelmant is not a strong enough for, I was really suffering. That's gross. Oh, you're sweating. It's sun. It's sunshine, and the tractors coming and picking up those potatoes, and that gave me an inner desire.

I said, one day I'm going to escape these potato field. One day. But that was my summer. All my siblings, except again, my sister. We're going to help me to escape these potato fields. But that was our during the school year. We worked in the school year. We studied.

We're hard. But in the summer, we hit those potato fields. Oh, wow. Yeah, I mean, that doesn't sound like fun out in the sun and doing the work. And, you know, especially when you're young, you're kind of still growing up and experiencing that. Now, does that lead us into the story of your folks' house catching fire? Yes, basically, yes, it does. One cold night in North Carolina, I was freezing night, Chris, and I felt something

was going to happen. I just, I couldn't sleep. And all of a sudden, three o'clock in the morning, my mother said, children, children, get up, the house is on fire. And I have, okay, eight siblings, and the house was on fire. The house, all I saw was smoke, we ran outside, and as we ran outside, that was it. The house was, we were lined up. up one by one and as my mother lined us up I realized Bertha Bertha my third oldest sister

was still in the house and in that whole process a gentleman a neighbor my mother called him and she ran and hit the door and rescued Bertha and there she was we were always rescued miraculously from that fire it was a situation that happened so quick but I heard the fear I said my mother always, and she would pass away. My mother passed away just a few years ago. She said, I said, Mom, what are we going to do? Mom, what are you going to do? And she said, the Lord would take care of us. And that was, I guess, the beginning of the whole process, life journey. Wow. Was there any, was there any criminal intent to your guys' house catching fire? Was it any sort of thing? I mean, Jim Crow South. I mean, there's a lot of ugliness

that happened down there. No, if through investigation, that whole process, the situation where You know, most homes near brick homes. We had a wood in the house. And it was so cold that night, I could see my mother throwing extra wood in the fire to keep us warm. And basically, the house just kind of overburned with the fire, the flames and everything. It was a wood in the house. And you know, what happens is you put enough heat and that whole process. The house just burned, but there was no permanent intent in that whole experience.

All right. And so is that, where did that force you to go next and was that part of your journey on getting to your PhD and the careers that you had? Yes, it was all part of the journey. Chris, the situation, my whole intent, Lord, one day I'm going to escape these potato fields. But one thing I learned, I learned the value of hard work. Yeah. And that is still me, the value of hard work. And even though, but the good news about school, school was my refuge, Chris, in terms of being in school, the school year during the summer, it was in those potato fields.

And every year was built upon that because it basically led me to high school. When I entered high school at that time, I went to New York during the summer and I live with my father during the summer in British Hampton, New York. The early years, it was those potato fields school during the school year and potato fields during the summer. Wow. That whole process. And you definitely learned the process of working hard there. Yes, it really, it really, a work ethic. Work ethic was so important.

Yes. You know, I did the same thing. I started working when I was like 11. I think for a newspaper, it was like a newspaper coupon thing. It wasn't like the official newspaper was like one of those, back in the day they had these promo newspaper that were just pretty much just like coupon things. Before that, I was selling, there was some magazine. I can't remember those back east.

And everyone's sell it was you'd find in the back of the magazines. And I forget what the name of the magazine was, but a lot of people sold it. And it was, I did that door to door. And then I think I did some other sort of door to door stuff. And then finally I settle on that. And, oh, you know, and as a Boy Scout, I had to do the, you know, you'd sell it. the scotorama tickets and that was kind of hard because this little kid and you're asking for money and they're sometimes mean to you and you're just like I'm just a kid man just out of here,

Oslin. But yeah, where do you go from there? Where does the story go? What makes you interested in the fields that you're, what makes you interest in the fields that you end up getting into? That's a great question, Chris. What happened is that we're doing the summer in Bridge Hampton, New York, I work in the hospital. Now again, if you're looking at the transition from potato fish, you're on your knees, picking up those potatoes, you're sweating, you're hot, going to British Hampton, New York. I got a job at a hospital. South Hampton Hospital, which was right outside of British Hampton.

And a friend of mine told me the other day, well, I never heard of South Hampton, British Hampton. Well, anyone over 70 years old asking one question, have you ever heard of Carl your Stremski? Oh, the baseball player, he won the triple career. for the Boston Red sauce. Well, I share that because he played baseball for the, for the Boston Red sauce. But anyway, working in a hospital, a white outfit, I was a hospital orderly, where I would go and clean the rooms after surgery. And I said, what a great transition.

Escaping the hot potato fields in an air-condition hospital where I had the white outfits on. I just, I felt that I was in heaven. I feel speaking in these parts I feel the same way anytime I live in Vegas and so anytime I come in out of the sun I feel the same

Oh, you're class It's like during the summer It's like five trillion degrees In Las Vegas So do you know what you're going to you want to So what made you What's drawn you to Helping people in that sort of industry

It was a walk of faith In terms of finishing High School finishing college. I taught school, but during that time in this, in the, and during the seven, it's most people finish college, Chris, they're school teachers. And I enjoyed teaching school.

I taught a couple, two years, right out of college. And it was, I said, I enjoyed this for the transition from potato fields, working in a summer in the hospital, air condition. Then when I finished college, that was a great transition because I earned that degree. And I remember my father. told me many times that my parents said they can take anything. You may lose your house. You may lose your clothes, which we did in that experience.

But whatever you put, whatever the good Lord live, you put in your brain, no one can never take that from yet. That's true. So I hear it. Teach a man to fish. Give a man a fish and he'll eat for a day. Give a teacher man to fish and he'll eat for a lifetime. Yes, yes.

That's so true, Chris. And I learned when I finished college, earned my degree. and then of course the taught school a couple years in my hometown North Carolina. But that was that burning desire was not on to make a difference in myself in my life, but to make a difference in terms

of serving other students and teachers and that whole process. So you can say that was the beginning of my journey in terms of potato fields, finishing college, and then becoming a school teacher. And that, of course, led me to my journey as part of that

meeting my wife or really celebrating our 50 year. No, we've already celebrated our 50 year anniversary. It's part of the whole journey. Well, it's quite the thing. Now, you went on for that. You talk about this, of course, people can buy the books so they can get all the good deeds. You went on to a 50-year career in 25 years in sales and marketing, 25 years in teaching, it became an award-winning speaker with Toastmasters International. You were in the distinguished, I'm sorry, you You earned the prestigious Distinguished Toastmaster Award, the DTM Award in February 2019, which is the highest honor in public speaking and leadership.

Congratulations. Thank you, Chris. Thank you. You were elected to serve on the state of Michigan Foster Care Review Board. And, yeah, so you've, it sounds like you've worked a little bit to give back as well. And probably that's what you're doing with the book. Yes. That's correct.

To give back, to serve others and having, we have, we have, we have. 10 children and seven were adopted. Are you morvin? We're putting out over there. Well, obviously, we have three, but three, seven were adopted. Oh, okay. We didn't have, it wasn't a situation where we had, okay, seven at one time we had three, my children, my three biological children.

In fact, we didn't, my wife, we didn't want no designation. We had 10 children, but three were about logic. Seven were adopted. And now they're all in their 40s and 30s they're doing well. Okay. But that was the whole process of serving others. And my wife, Karen, she was, her parents were foster care parents. And so I guess we got married in 1975.

It was a process of serving others, serving humanity. And that was part of our DNA fabric there. From potato fields to a PhD. And, you know, this is a beautiful part about the story of America, you know, being able to rise up and be able to take advantage of opportunities. And, you know, I think, you know, one of the problems is a lot of these Gen Zers and some of millennials, they never leave the house these days with their parents. But my parents were really smart. And most of the parents in my age of being a Gen X were really smart. they made our lives miserable at home so that we wanted to leave home at 18.

Yes, sweet. I'm not saying, Chris, I can really. We were very smart. We're going to make this kid comfortable, so he sticks around after 18. We're getting him on, moving on here. So maybe more Gen Z parents need to do that. Yeah, yes, yes. I know, you're right.

I finish high school, P.W. M. Boer, Haskell. I finished Haskell. Okay, what are you going to do? Get a job, go to go to college. And then we just go to college and, of course, move on. But either way, no, we, we, I appreciate the work ethic, the hard work ethic at my parents and steal into us. Yes. Yeah, my dad said to me, I got fired. I was just on a high school and I got fired for having too long of hair at, at the religious McDonald's near me. It's in my book. And the, I came home with my dad and he said, well, what are you going to do now? Because you're not sitting around my house after 18.

You did it? Stop. And I went off and started my first company. But, yeah. But, you know, it's great that you've given back so much in your life, too. I think that is so exemplary to have charity, to give back, to be grateful for what you have. You know, it's easy to forget when you become successful where, you know, our roots are and where we came from and the things that shaped us. And, you know, those things that kind of gave us that drive to make us.

you know, want to do more. To be able to share your story and your journey is just amazing and definitely inspiring, sir. Thanks, Chris. And it's amazing. I'm thinking about you in terms of your work ethic. You were growing up a little boy, you move on. And, of course, you learn the value of hard work. But if you look at your journey, look at the thousands and thousands of people,

millions that you are through this great podcast, affecting millions of people. So it's amazing how you'll show and see your own. vision given back to society through this great Chris podcast show. So what else should we know about the book and all the other stuff? One thing,

right now I'm working with when I work with different authors, men ask me, William, what would you say was the key to your book? Dr. Livermore, what was your key? And I have, I mentioned this in chapter 30. Can you be, can you

on a life journey, it's not going to happen overnight. It's like what's the old saying? The best way to eat the elephant is one bite at a time. And in the last chapter of the book, in fact it happened, I was read it. I had published my book. I sent it to my publication director

Chris and I knew that the chapter in my book, there are mighty things. I knew that the chapter had ended. In this book, I knew the chapter had ended, but then it's amazing. Something happened during the last over-year.

year ago when I sent my manuscript to my publisher, in a matter of 90 days, one of my daughters who was only five years old, she almost got killed in a car accident. And then shortly after that, in December

2024, my wife, we were out shopping and it was wintertime here in Michigan, ice, snow on the ground, and she slipped, broke a small bone in her foot. And then I had little surgery in my

so there were three things that happened within a four month period of time so I called my publication I read to say shine and shine I said hold it we have to add another chapter we're we voted we write and submit

they've already approved for publication so I'm sorry we have to add another chapter and that's in the last book in the chapter the last is you have to expect in life in your life journey you have to expect the unexpected Oh, yeah. I've seen that movie five billion times. Yes. So we do not expect to have those three incidences, but in life you have to always move forward.

Well, I love your leadership. Leadership is a favorite thing of mine as a topic. Of course, my book Beacon's Leadership. And I love talking about on the show. And you've done an exemplary leadership life. But you know, there's a lot of people that could have gotten buckled down and said, you know, poor is me. I'm a very very. victim. I can't get ahead in life. But you know, you learn like I did. Before starting my own jobs of delivering papers and selling things door to door, my mother would, of course, not want us in the house because that's how things were with Gen X. And we were the, what do they call us, the feral generation or something? You know, our parents kicked, my mom kicked us out of the house and said, come back at dinner time, right? And so we'd just be in whatever trouble we were doing. But during the summer, she would have us go with my father to plaster foundations.

They would do stucco work on the homes. And so I, like you, was out there at, I don't know, 8 to 12 in the sun, in the freezing cold, you know, dealing with cement and putting on these walls. And I'm just like, I hate this. I'm only. Yeah. So I was like you, I had the same drive to like, I don't want to, I don't want to work a blue collar job anymore. Yeah. Yeah.

I that's a great that's yes that's there's nothing wrong with working one if that's your thing if you love it god bless you because we need those people everybody in the in the world but it wasn't for me and boy i remember one time i got sunstroke you may have gotten that in your work oh many times yes oh yeah i got sunstroke and i'll never forget what that was like i think i got it twice it was it was that was not a fun experience at all uh but uh yeah the so you and i yeah we both come from that background and hard work. What's up coming for you in the future? It sounds like you got a lot of great stories that maybe a second book or anything coming up. Yes. In fact, right now, this is 2020. And by the way, I want to say, Happy New Year to you and your team, Chris. You too.

Yes. The what's coming up? I have in six months. I'm looking at my target. I'm looking at a target date is the February, September of 2000, this year. I have another book. It's about 50% finished, and that book will be, will be celebrating a 50 year golden anniversary. And it will be published in 2006. So that is the next book related. And some of the, some of the things of being in the present book here on Derry and Mighty Things, a journey from the potato field to a PhD. however there will be some new things that my wife but it'd be more or less focus on our 50 year gold anniversary and that will be a big projection time about six months from today yeah you should uh you give some advice on how to keep a relationship lasting that long you know that you don't see that anymore

people i think the average marriage now last seven years maybe you should give us give us some advice I'm going to make a 50-year one work. Yes, yes. That'll be good. What else have I asked about that we should, I should probably ask you on the show. Anything I missed? Well, one thing I wanted to mention is that writing a book is a journey. And sometimes, sometimes I call it, we've all heard the statement, you have to learn to turn lemon into lemonade.

And if what happened is that people asked me, what was your key to finish your book? One key was this. During the time that I was writing and my wife 10 years ago, she said, William, you need to write a book. I said, look, I'm too busy. I don't have to write a book. I was teaching. I've always had two jobs. I want to try to write.

But what happened in 2000, 2000, like 19, 20, the pandemic hit. And I was teaching at Davenport University, a great local school. I was teaching as an adjunct professor there. And during that time, when the pandemic hit, many times schools were closed. And I would, during the daytime, I would write this library. And I would just write all day. And on weekends, because my schedule had, had, was so reduced significantly. So a critical time at the office always move forward.

form because you never know when the sun is going to shine. So really, I mean, a lot of people were affected by the pandemic. But again, turning the lemon into lemonade during that time and things shut down, I was able to accelerate my writing to the point that

it really occurred during the time that we had the pandemic. And I also tell authors, another thing I would share is that when you writing a book, it can be labor intensive. And I said, you have to relax. Once you finish that journey, you have to relax. And so what I did when I

finished my book, I joined two non-profit organizations. One, you mentioned Toastmasters International, and the other was the Engineering Society of Detroit. And I said, I'm just going to volunteer and just kind of relax my mind. And I started, I joined those two organizations and the rest is history. I became a distinguished toastmaster which only 1% of public speakers and leaders ever reached that one per- a distinct DTM, but only 1%

ever reached that level. And then of course, it's amazing we had our meetings inside the Engineering Society of Detroit, which is a 100-plus year nonprofit organization. So that way, I was I just relaxed my mind. I said, I'm a volunteer, volunteer. And that was

another key to me continue to move forward. All right. And also give back because you're inspiring other people, motivating them, make them, you know, show them the opportunities that are out there and what they can possibly do with their lives. So, yeah. And then you earn the Distinguished Award over there, et cetera, et cetera. On your book writing, what are some ways that you use to keep yourself writing?

Some authors will write like an hour a day or something. What sort of approach or routine do you use? Great question. Chris, well, every system, every person, if you, if you can line up 100 people who publish books, I guarantee there are probably 100 different systems that they implemented. Because nothing, what works for one person could be disaster for another person. So my suggestion is find the system that works for you. And what worked for me was during the time when I was teaching, I was, you know,

if you're teaching, you're doing lesson plans, and you're attending meetings, of plethora things. But what I did, I shut everything down on Saturdays. I basically wrote all day because I was too busy work to read and do all that doing the school year. But I did

on Saturdays. I just had my cup of coffee and my wife, sometimes they were called my wife and says, where's William? Should I tell you what? He's, try three places. Try the Southfield Library. Try Tim Horton says a famous coffee place in Michigan,

or you can find him at the other avenue. But either way, that's what I did. I wrote, I wrote all day. And then at the end of the day, I submitted my writing, my mainstream to my publisher. And that's what I did for years. And so now hopefully we'll get some more books from me. I'd love to hear more of your stories.

I'm sure you have a lifetime of just great stories, inspiring messages. I mean, adopting seven children, that's probably a book in and of itself. Yes, yes, and I'm thinking,

we're thinking about another book related to adoption, foster parenting and adoption. Because again, I mentioned, I mentioned the terms of sharing, in terms of volunteering. So I work, and that's in a book as a parent advocate

in terms of the foster care system. Yes, children. We've had so many children over the years, during the years in terms of false and adoption in that whole process, yes. Well, more families probably need guidance on that.

You know, I know we've had a few adoption coaches on the show and all that good stuff. I'm still trying to convince my parents that I was switched to birth or adopted, but they won't. Evidently, we took one of those DNA things and yeah, that doesn't work.

Evidently, I am. But I didn't They're wonderful people. I was just trying to be a rebel. That's how I roll. Anything more you want to talk to us about before we go? Well, basically, that's the summation of the whole process in my journey. And I would just say that it's a, you take it one, I tell, let's take it one day at a time. You're not going to write a book overnight, but you take it one day at the time.

And in fact, a friend of my asking me the other day, if I had, if I had, you, could think of a if there was another title of my book, what would it be? I thought about that, Chris, and I said, you know, it's amazing. If you look at my light story, if I could think of another title, I would call it the power of resiliency.

Ah, that's a true. The power of resiliency. And so all the same thing, can the going gets tough, the tough gets going. That was, that's the power of resiliency.

Who knows that may be one of the future books. I love the title. I'm all for it. But I mean, honestly, if you have 10 kids, you've got to have some resiliency. I can barely handle two dogs, so let alone children. So that's a whole new thing. But yeah, I think people love that book and it's a great title. Well, thank you very much for coming on the show. Give us out your dot-coms or any social websites you want to take and promote as well where people will look you up. Yes. At the present time, again, if you're looking at the William Liverman

at YouTube.com number one, number two, William Liverman at Facebook.com and William Liverman at Instagram.com. And as I mentioned earlier, we have

our book, my book, is the book is a five-star rating as of now on Amazon. And by the way, Amazon, you can either person to either type William Liverman and a they can order the book, just type in my name or the title, A Journey from the Potato Fears to a PhD. Either way they can have access to the book. And of course, I mentioned Google Play as well as iTunes, the mediums where the book would be available.

You're figuring where fine books are sold, there'll be a link for it. on the Chris Vos show as well. Thank you very much, sure, for coming on the show. Thanks, for honest for tuning in. Go to goodrease.com, Fortunes Christfoss. LinkedIn.com, Forteouse Christmas. Pick up his book, where our fine books are sold. Dare mighty things.

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