The Chris Voss Show - The Chris Voss Show Podcast – Darlene McDonald, DNC National Committee Woman Elect for Utah

Episode Date: June 14, 2020

Darlene McDonald, DNC National Committee Woman Elect for Utah Darlenemcdonald.com

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You just won't talk to people anymore i suppose there you go you'll be like einstein anyway guys we certainly appreciate you guys tuning in and today i have a most wonderful guest we always have the best guests of course here on the chris voss show darlene mcdonald she's the dnc national committee woman of luck for utah and we're going to talk to you about some of the other issues that are going on in the world today George Floyd protests etc etc but welcome to the show Darlene how you doing ah thank you for having me I am doing okay well I think we all are with the COVID-19 and and the unrest and the crazy uh the crazy old grandpa in the, in the white house. Yeah.

I mean, as long as we can walk ramps better than he can, I think we're doing, we're doing fairly good. I tell you. Yeah. I, I, I hesitate on that one. There you go. So Darlene, give us your www website so people can check out online and give us a rundown about uh you know about a short bio on you if you will okay my www.darlingmcdonald.com i got very lucky to be able to get my name darling mcdonald which i actually got that name i secured my domain name at two o'clock in the morning. Wow.

Yeah. It occurred. Yeah. It occurred to me. I tried to get my maiden name a long time ago and I could not, it was taken. And when you probably bought that, no,

I'm just kidding. Your pending husband. I know. I know. It occurred to me that I wasn't. Wait, did you get married because you couldn't get your maiden is that what you're telling us right now did you i got married so i could get my domain name

that reminds me when i was in school i used to see the girls they would always that any boy that they liked they would be trying to they would be just trying to see how their name would look and i would just be like but you know i know whatever yeah it's good yeah or if you or if you have a last name that you really don't want to have like i've seen some people like it's like you should get married just to get rid of that last name but so darlene um you you do a lot of things i read the bio on your website. Uh, you're into whiskey.

We talked about in the pre-show you're political. Uh, you work with a lot of different groups here in Utah. We've been profiling. Um, uh, you know, I,

I've been up here in Utah writing a book from Las Vegas and my family's up here and making sure they don't get the COVID. Uh, and so I've been kind of interviewing a lot of people. We interviewed Chris Peterson, Karina, who's the Lieutenant Governor candidate. We interviewed the AG. We've interviewed about five or six reps. We have a bunch more people on. In fact, the young lady that we referenced earlier in the pre-show who's on the front page of the Tribune, I just sent her a re-up,

a second invite because she never answered the original one. So hopefully we'll have her on the front page of the Tribune. I just sent her a re-up, a second invite, because she never answered the original one. So hopefully we'll have her on the show. So we have all these great Democrats from Utah on the show. We'll probably have more around the country as we go to the election. But tell us about your job, what you're doing, and what effect it should have on Utah and, of course, the world. Well, I moved to Utah 18 years ago this month actually no I'm just kidding people go did you move to Utah Chris I'm like not voluntary it was like

I did I love the mountains I did not feel like I had a connection to the Midwest. I have a connection to the mountains. And that's why I packed up my kids and we moved out here 18 years ago this month. And Utah is my home. Met my husband here. Raised my husband here raised my kids here found a job here and got into activism here in Utah

yes it is I'm a democrat lifelong democrat doesn't mean I haven't vote republican or independent before in my life I have but I am a lifelong democrat and one thing I have to say that I was not prepared for when I moved to Utah and I grossly underestimated was the impact of my political voice and how that is minimized per se in Utah versus Ohio.

Ohio is a battleground state, a swing state. The citizens and residents of Utah take their vote very seriously. What do you mean by that with Utah? Does Utah not seem to care as much in voting and being political? Yes, that's exactly what I mean. That's exactly what I mean. I was not prepared for that. I found quite disheartening that many Democrats of this state self-disenfranchise, and they do that because they are taught that because this is a perceived red state, that the vote does not count. And I am on a quest to challenge that and to challenge

every Democrat, left-leaning, independent, left-leaning, unaffiliated, or even someone who is straight in the middle, I'm going to challenge that notion that your vote does not count because you're in Utah. So that's my quest. That's going to be my lifelong mission as long as I stay in this state. We spoke in the pre-show that my goal is to turn Utah blue. I think this is a,

a definitely a watershed moment, a watershed year. Um, it, the, the president is, is the part of the, is the referendum really when it comes down to it,

I suppose. Um, and there's a lot of call out for, and I, I've been telling you tons this in our, in our interviews we've been doing that it's going to get really dark and ugly. There's going to be a lot of call out for and i've been telling you tons this in our in our interviews we've been doing that it's going to get really dark and ugly there's going to be a lot of bankruptcies we're still in the honeymoon phase of the coven 19 financial crisis where you know people are still living off their savings there are a lot of people in dire need um and we're seeing the

food bank lines but it's going to get worse um and people are going to run out of savings they're going to run out of stuff i'm're going to run out of stuff. I'm already seeing the homes for sale popping up everywhere. I lived through this in Vegas during the 2008 crisis. I know exactly how this baby goes. And so more and more, it's really important that Utahns or anyone voting around the nation gets involved, gets aware with what's going on, because these are leaders

that are going to have to guide us through a very dark crisis in time. Yes, I agree 100%. I believe the last I read that we are approaching unemployment numbers that resemble the Great Depression of 1929. In some cases, larger in Las Vegas. Exactly, exactly. And for the people that followed the Great Recession of 2007, and you said you had Chris Peterson on.

Yeah. He would have been an expert on that, right? Because he worked with the CFPD. So if you followed the Great Depression, the Great Recession, you saw that many people lost their jobs. And we had to get someone into office who could understand what needed to be done. You needed to understand and know economics, especially Kinesian economics, and monetary policy versus, and also fiscal policy, and the combination of both to get us out of that recession. And luckily, America elected Barack Obama to be president of the United States in 2008, and we went to work. Now, the reason why that is important

and what we are facing right now is because we're going to need a lot of not just fiscal policy, but we're going to need a lot of monetary policy as well in order to get us out of what is going to become another Great Depression if we don't do this right. And we could have had a Great Depression had Barack Obama and his Treasury Department at that time, even Ben Bernanke and Henry Poston, who were Republicans, doing the right thing and injecting the economy with money in order to get people back to work, get businesses back on their feet. And people that were out of work, they had to have food stamps, so that earned Barack Obama the food stamp president at the time. People just don't realize how, you know, I was trained as a stockbroker,

so I understand the market. I understand Federal Reserve. I can talk M1 and M2 policy all day long people want to understand uh what's going on with the fed and most people don't they don't they really don't exactly we came to the brink i mean the brink the standstill brink i mean right now uh yeah i don't know it's worse with the higher thing but the we had big organizations that would fail. And if they failed, it would have been a total collapse. It would have. And that's when I really started paying attention differently to politics because I was taking an economics class.

That was a great time to actually be taking an economics class. It was awesome. I mean, it wasn't awesome what was happening in the economy, but I was taking an economics class at Westminster College at the time and running into the classroom to learn how to apply what we were learning in the classroom in real world examples because it was happening in that moment. So I learned a lot. And I remember becoming very, very, very upset. And I think I can say his name now because he's no longer in office with former Senator Orrin Hatch. Oh, my gosh.

I was so angry. Yeah. Because they were not telling people the truth. And this was another reason why I got into politics. We have to have elected officials who tell the truth. Definitely. This guy was fallen. This guy was fallen.

Yeah. And they were not telling people that the sky was falling. Why we had to pass the TARP at the time and why we had to pass those economic relief packages and why the sky was falling. And if we didn't pass that, there wasn't a tomorrow. The economy was going to collapse. Yeah. It was important.

He was a senator for way too long. Yeah. We lived around the corner in California from his sister. And we used to play with his sister's kids in the pool. They were our age. And so we spent a lot of time over at her house. And every now and then he would show up for dinners and political things that he would do and i was 11 and i remember looking at him and they're like this is senator orne hatch and i was like okay

so that's what a senator looks like and i just you know i'm 11 like what do i care uh but like 40 years later or some bloody thing, you know, he was still in office and I'm just like, this is wrong. But anyway, yeah. Yeah.

So we've seen a lot of different things happen and, and now we're in the midst of it again. And, you know, I think you can, I think this is what, why Biden's doing real for a lot of fronts is because we know that anybody with brain, let's put it that way

knows that uh he worked with obama to get us through that crisis yeah um it's just astounding to me when i see people go uh you know the obama didn't do anything for the economy or i think the big republicans argument was if the growth is too slow they did it they intentionally slowed it we came from zero man like what do you mean you can't just put the economy on and you know we're seeing it again now with donald trump he just thinks oh you just reopen everything oh yeah go back to fine next week um so there's a lot of stuff going on with utah I think I know one of the big problems Utah has is, and you identified one of them, is political activism, but also money. It seems like a lot of Democrats really struggle to fundraise.

Is that true, or is that my misinterpretation? Democrats do struggle to fundraise because we're in Utah, and there's the perception that Utah is deep red. I'm going to challenge that a little bit. This is one thing that I said when I was running for office. I said it to Chris Peterson. Democratic values are Utah values. What we fight for in the Democratic Party is what Utah say is their value system. And respecting people, believing in the family, family first, family values.

That is what we hear all the time with Utah, family values. We are fighting for the family. When your family is out of work, when. When your family is out of work, when someone in your family is out of work, you're going to need some assistance. Yes, everybody wants a job. People don't want a handout. I don't know why that became synonymous

with the Democratic Party and black people. I think it was, I don't know if it was for black people. I know with poor people, it came from Johnson, didn't it? And Johnson was a Democrat when he enacted the Medicare and a lot of the, what they call the safety net for. That was FDR. Was it FDR? Okay.

Yeah. Yeah. The new deal. The new deal. Didn't Johnson do, I got to go. Yeah. I think he did. Johnson, he did. He implemented, and I'm actually studying Lyndon Johnson right now. He did do a lot of around Social Security and the work program.

And I know that he ran FDR's work program out of the New Deal before he became you know, congressman and then later on vice president Johnson and later president Johnson. And Utah and we have some interesting things going in Utah. I've told this, I've talked about this a lot

on the podcast. Utah has one extra kid per family on average than the rest of the nation and you would think that health care education like all these things would be like important right now utah we talked about this with the uh attorney general candidate for the democratic party greg um i forget his last name poor with names can you tell uh but he uh he's on the podcast you can find him there. But he talked about how we're part of this lawsuit that the Republicans are doing,

the AG Republicans are doing. I think it's centered out of Texas where they're trying to overthrow Obamacare in the middle of a pandemic. When people lose their jobs, they can't be their Cobras and everything else. I was trying to find this on the website. Do you know what percentage of the state is registered to vote? and everything else. I was trying to find this on the website, and it does, do you know what percentage of the state is registered to vote compared to the population?

I don't. I don't. We have about, well, I know there's about 700,000 registered Republicans. There are about 400,000 registered Democrats. If you add the number of registered Democrats and people who are unaffiliated, it surpassed the number of registered Republicans.

So we're in the millions. So it has to be at least 2 or 3 million, maybe 2 or 1.7, something like that. And I know there's like about 3.3 or 3.7 million, I think, in Utah. I just saw something on the Wall Street Journal or the thing. So getting these people out to vote it seems like there's there's um one thing that kind of depressed me was it seemed like everybody was focused on um the the debate between the republicans and one of the reasons i started inviting uh democrats from utah on my show was i i looked up you know i came here from vegas so I looked up, you know, I came here from Vegas. So I looked up and in Vegas, we put in a, the largest group of women into office, uh, in the legislature and they are doing amazing

things for women and children and education and just the state itself. And I was a big proponent, uh, six months before that pushing for, I'm just going to vote straight women, straight women ticket. I'm tired of guys tired of the stupid stuff. I'm a guy, I know how dumb we are. I'm just voting straight women because they have empathy. They care about the future children. They care about children. That's what I'm voting for. And I made a big deal of that for several months before the election and voted that way. And we've seen the results in Nevada. And so when I came up here, I looked around. I said, well, who's this? You know, I saw the Republican guys. I'm like, which is one this? You know, I saw the Republican guys. I'm like, which is one of those, like, the Democrat guy?

Because there's a lot of them. And then I found Chris. And then I ended up telling my mom. I go, hey, have you heard of, have you looked at this Chris Hansen guy? And she goes, is he one of those three guys or four guys? And I'm like, no, he's not one of the four. That's the Republican dude. And she goes, well, who's this Chris Hansen guy? And I go, i go well you know here's some data on him and she's like i didn't know

i don't know what this guy's all about and then she started talking to her friends and her friends didn't know about chris hansen either and so it's it seems like the media i don't know this could be me this is my opinion but it feels like the media really has a bias here to talking about the republicans the republican candidates and yeah and the democrats get left out of discussion i agree is there some way to fix that or change that or you know i've even thought about calling up tv stations going hey man when are you going to publicize the you know i want to see i want to see chris hansen talking to you know across the know i want to see i want to see chris hansen talking to you know across the stage i want to see karina talking across the stage as somebody um i don't

see debate um the only way we can change that is well we have to have more more people like you who's giving them a voice and we have to also write letters to the editors, create, you know, call the radio stations, call the television stations and say, hey, we need to hear the other side of this conversation. We must have the other side of this conversation. And most of the media, at least locally, is probably owned by conservatives and conservative outlets. So they're going to suppress those voices, unfortunately. Although it's supposed to be unbiased. That's not necessarily true.

What kills me is most of the people I've interviewed are fairly conservative. A lot of them are Mormon, and they have Mormon values. They're not just crazy liberals like me that are running around and godless and stuff, and I don't know, just horrible people. You have to understand, unfortunately, politics has become very tribal. Yeah. And people are listening to the national voices more so than the local voices, unfortunately. They have probably the loudest platform.

And so they put everybody in the same bucket. And everyone should not be in the same bucket. Chris is amazing. He's very sharp. His resume is astounding. And Katrina, who is running me, running for Lieutenant Governor, is astounding when it comes to healthcare, as well as Greg Skordas, who's running for our Attorney General. And I'm excited to vote for all three of them because if you hit it perfectly, when you talked about healthcare,

Sean Rays has refused to remove Utah from the lawsuit to repeal the ACA, AKA Obamacare in the middle of a pandemic when people are losing their jobs. Now, yes, I agree in universal healthcare. Universal healthcare does not have to mean Medicare for all. Universal healthcare can take the form of many things. So we don't even have to have that conversation right now. But in the middle of a pandemic and people losing their job, when you have 2 million plus people, or I don't even remember how many people are filing for unemployment now that are, that are out of work.

If you're out of work, that means you don't have healthcare and Cobra insurance. While you may have access to it, you may not be able to afford it. Yeah. If you're homeless, it's a little hard to make the payments. It is extremely expensive. So you shouldn't be in a position where you're choosing between whether or not you're going to feed your kids or buy medicine or pay the rent or your mortgage or car insurance or car payment or EEC. You know, those become life choices that people make, unfortunately.

So basically what we need to do is we need to have more Democrats talk, share. This is one of the things I'm imploring everybody to do because we have the COVID-19 virus. Share the videos online. Chris and Karina are doing a great job of, uh, of doing these Facebook live videos. So people can check those out. I've noticed their shares are now jumping. Uh, we've done a lot with our shows. We've put them on multiple shows,

put them on medium.com and use my death star power of all my social media accounts to, to just pile them into Google. Cause what we want is we want people to be, you know, when they go online and they start thinking about who they're going to vote for as a governor, we want them to be like, oh, there's this guy. And what is he doing? But Utah has been, to my understanding, 40 years of the same party owning the governorship.

It's time for change. It's time for change. It really, truly is. And's time for change. It really truly is. And here's the thing, Chris. You do yourself, or people in Utah do themselves a disservice when they have a one-party rule. Why is that? Look and see what happens around the Prop 2, Prop 3, Prop 4 issue.

Utah voted for every single one of them, and then the legislation got up there and overturned the people's vote. That's what happens when you have legislators who are picking their voters, rather the voters picking their legislators, and they have a super majority, and they overturn the voice of the people. If you live in a district and you voted for Prop 2, Prop 3, Prop 4, and your legislator overturned your vote, you need to vote them out. Period. Vote them out. They're not listening to you. That was astounding to me. I was down in Vegas when they pulled that stunt and uh you know in vegas

we legalized marijuana it brought a record number of of uh revenue to the state um it hasn't made any sort of problems other than just making everyone a lot of money and people that really need it for uh old age pain and medication like myself uh can get it um and and uh to see the utah legislature going no we're not doing that and they still haven't even done the will of the people that's just extraordinary to me that seems so against what the founders of this constitution want and everything else so well they they do it because they can yeah they do it because they can there's no checks and balances exactly yeah so we need to turn the state at least very least purple. So there can be checks and balances.

I believe Karina and Chris Peterson spoke with us about this and Greg, uh, the, um, uh, attorney general, uh, candidate.

And most everyone I talked to, uh, you know, I wanted a state to go blue, but most of them I talked to said, Chris, we're happy if it just goes purple, if we just get a balance.

And that's, that's really what people want to have representation in their government to said, Chris, we're happy if it just goes purple, if we just get a balance. And that's really what people want, to have representation in their government. And I just wish there was more money we could somehow get into the hands of Democrats. Maybe it's because people perceive them as, well, like you said, it's a red state, so why try? I know there used to be, when I left Utah about 20 years ago, there used to be a joke that the Utah County office was always closed. You couldn't just walk into it. And it was like open on by appointment only.

And I was hoping stuff would change since I had left, but I guess it hasn't. So you're helping oversee the campaigns of what's going on and everyone running for office. Hopefully we'll have more of those people on. In fact, I had invited – I've lost the page here. I have invited Sandra Hollins for a second time on the show. She had a great article about herself, the Utah's first female black legislature,

and her voice to the fight against systematic racism. It's a front page on the, on the Salt Lake Tribune. If you guys get a chance to get it today. But I'd love to see Chris Peterson and them get a, get a saying, get a motto, like bring change to Utah, turn Utah blue. I don't know, bring balance, I don't know, health care, some sort of saying. They need something like that. They need a vibe. But that's just my opinion.

You guys are the pros up there. That's more than your opinion. Thank you. It really, truly is. It's a strategy. It's a strategy that works. And it started with Richard Nixonesson and Roger Ailes. There you go.

I mean, I just watch what Brad Pascal does, man. I mean, those guys really are controlling social media and the airwaves. They have less power now than they had in 2016, but they're still able to micro-target and do stuff that's just insane. And the power of social media, I mean, that's my background. So I know how powerful it is. I mean, that's my background. Um, so I know how powerful

it is. So, uh, a lot of support to that. So if you're out there in the, in the marketplace, you want something different or you just want to educate yourself on what's available. You know, you can Google all the folks that are running for the democratic party. You reach out to them. I'm sure they've been really great at talking to me. Um, if you're, if you really feel strongly about it, you should be voting. You should be talking to your neighbors and relatives, letting people know. Because even though I think a lot of my mom's friends were kind of, you know, they're kind of a little red, they were still willing to listen. Okay, so who's this guy? What is he?

You know, they were still willing to shop around. So I think it's good, but we need to help raise the level of the voices and get the message out there and get people aware of what's going on. And I think more businesses will be pressurized to get more balance in the government and everything else. I agree. I agree. Yeah, I agree 100%. I'm here to say that Utah voters are allowed to vote for a Democrat. And not only that, so the legislature repealed the straight party box. So you can no longer, yeah, you can no longer vote just straight Democrat or just straight Republican anymore. And that's good. And it's bad in some cases,

because there were, I mean, there were quite a few Democrats who took advantage of that. It's good because you can say, okay, I want this person. I want this person. I want this person. I may not want this person, I want this person. And that's okay because we need some balance. But right now we need all Democrats because if you want to keep your health care because you just lost your job because of COVID-19, you need to vote for Greg Skordas.

End of discussion. You need to vote for Greg Skordas. And everybody, to get everybody in so you can have a balance because honestly if chris if chris has if chris and karina get in and greg doesn't get in which i guess is how your guys's state works then he's going to be fighting with whoever that republican is it's not going to want to pull out of that, that lawsuit. And some of the other dirty things, Greg was great at giving us a whole lot of dirty stuff that was going on in Utah. So,

and it's interesting because I had a lot of these discussions talking about what was going on with COVID-19, but now we're starting to enter a different phase of, of, of a crisis, I guess you would call it. Yes. Where we're seeing systematic racism,

where we're dealing with the police and the George Floyd killing and many other recent killings that have really shined a light, thank God, to video phones, but have shined a light. And we've kind of reached this moment. I've been sitting around for a long time going why is it taking this long you know i remember watching the rodney king and

we thought that was a very seminal moment uh but nothing seemed to happen much after that uh and then just more and more eric gardner i think uh from five years ago you saw that went okay maybe now things will change but i think now there's so many people out of work there's so many people like covet 19 has has shown all of the the the cracks in our society all the cracks in in everything that we're failing at it's literally revealed a broken nation i mean we i think we kind of knew we were broken after 2016 when we were like holy shit our friends are closet racists. Who knew? You said you liked Obama, but you lied.

But I lost so many friends. I was like, what? I didn't know you were hiding this shit. I know, right? I was like, you were all kumbaya with Obama, and now you're like, you got the Confederate flag flying there, buddy. I had no idea. You just walked right out of the closet on me.

You know you're in there. I'm just watching you slam around. So let's talk about some of your thoughts on what's going on with our current crisis. We're going with relations and police brutality, et cetera, et cetera? You asked me how am I doing, right? We have been asking each other, a lot of us have been asking each other that question a lot, and no one quite knows how to answer it yet because nothing seems

sufficient really to describe how we really feel in this moment we feel tired but it's not a tired from, I just ran a three minute mile, although I won't be running a three minute mile. But it's, this is an important moment. And, you know, when 2008 happened, and then 2012 happened, and we elected, we meaning the United States electorate, elected Barack Obama president. There were people who believed falsely that we had entered this post-racial America. Most Black people did not believe that at all. Because what we saw, well, we were very proud and that was also a time when

we saw an increase in African Americans that were being published and an increase in the number of African American and black people that were shown on television and in positive ways, not the stereotypical ways, that increased during that time. And that was good. But what also increased during that time was hate crimes and the number of hate groups also increased. Barack Obama had more death threats against him, exactly, than any of his predecessors. So we were not in a post-racial America. And another thing that happened,

and I think this was testing the waters to see how far they could go. Well, we saw the the lights of the limbaugh's and company that pushed the envelope envelope of what they could get away with saying on the air we saw what happened to don imus when he said the nappy headed blah blah blah about the women's basketball team. And he was kicked off the air. Well, he landed back in the media, but on a far-right wing, I forget, show. And then when Barack Obama happened and you saw, okay, so we're going to push this again, because they felt like they were allowed, I should be able to, and if I'm not, it's because you're being politically correct.

And we need to do away with political correctness. That's the way that became, political correctness became the code word for being overtly racist. So let's do away with political correctness because we should be allowed to be racist if we want to. And that's what happened.

That's exactly what happened. So then Donald Trump happened. And the birth of movement happened. And no one checked him. And no one checked him because of political correctness and we should be allowed to be racist because we want to. And that's why we're here. And so Donald Trump, let's face it,

Donald Trump is a racist, period, end of discussion. He is a racist. If you support Donald Trump, a racist, period. End of discussion. He is a racist. If you support Donald Trump, you support racism. If you're not a racist or you don't call yourself a racist or you don't consider yourself a racist, you are okay with racism.

End of discussion. And doesn't that make you a racist, though, if you support it? Yes. I mean, that's my opinion, opinion i keep getting told wrong but yes yes no one likes to be called a racist but you know what if it walks like a duck well i hope you'll excuse the reference but i I believe, I can't remember who said this, but they said during Donald Trump, they said, look, if you're the one giving or selling or supporting the lynch mob with rope, just because you're not at the lynching doesn't mean that you're part of the crime.

You're an accessory to the crime. You're part of the crime. And if you're supporting them, you and and and and if you're supporting them you're giving them money you're giving them votes you know they have a racist agenda i mean it's you gotta be a real idiot i mean i could i could kind of go with a lot of people were kind of like maybe they weren't in touch with their cause of racism or or maybe they were you know they really hated hillary or whatever and but i still think borderline there was some, cause anytime I've seen interviews with, uh,

the 2016 electorate that voted for Donald Trump, you talk to them and you know, they have issues at first and it's her emails. It's Hillary. But then once you start getting into it, then you start seeing the code words of racism, those people, culture,

uh, our culture, you know, you start hearing the, the words that even Donald Trump uses to code words, you know, well, this, our culture. You know, you start hearing the words that even Donald Trump uses, the code words, you know, well, this is our America. And people hear that and they go, oh, he's just talking about us as America. No, he's meaning the white. He's basically running for Confederate president at this point.

He's going. So that's always been my thing. I mean, but now, four years later, after Charlottesville, there are very funny people on both sides. I mean, he came out and said he was a nationalist, which was code for white nationalism. He's done everything he can to support them and everything else. At this point, if you're still voting for him, sorry.

In my opinion, you're a racist because you're supporting racism. Yes, you are. And you're supporting even worse, to be honest about it. And that's what got us to this moment. Because Black America knows this. We know this. We know the dog whistles that are being blown. And it's at us, at the expense of. We hear how he speaks to mostly

the women of color, the reporters, during the White House press briefings, if they have one. And he targets them. You have members of his administration who does the same, and there's no reprimand. In fact, they may get a promotion if they target a person of color. If you look at his cabinet, if you look at the staff pictures, if you look at even with the COVID-19 task force, they had a conference room table. And I get really emotional. You know, I'm a Quaker. I embraced Quakerism as my adulthood, and I grew up as Pentecostal. And my husband, when I give a talk sometimes, the Pentecostal comes out.

Preach, preach. Yeah, he calls me the Pentecostal comes out. Preach, preach. Yeah, he calls me the Pentecostal Quaker. I'll leave that to you and your marriage psychologist. I know. My father loves it. But I get really passionate about this because it is so serious. And we have to pay attention at what's happening and what's right in front of us and what we are seeing with our own eyes. And yes, it goes back to George Orwell in 1984.

What we are seeing with our own eyes, we cannot deny it. And at his table, at the conference table of his COVID-19 task force that is predominantly killing people of color, there was no people of color at that table. None, none, none. You're not at that table. That is by design. That is by design. And if you don't recognize what is happening in the message that is being sent to his supporters and the people who want to vote for him, they want to return to what the Confederederacy represented which was white supremacy in white america that is what that's all about yeah and yeah and we have to recognize that if you do not want to align yourself with that if you say that is not me then you have to and i'm going to say it you have to vote for joe biden in a discussion i see these idiots

that are online going yeah i've always voted republican and i'm not going to vote for donald trump this year but i don't know that i can vote for joe biden i'm like do you understand that you're basically still voting for donald trump if you don't go vote for biden i mean it's it's just astounding to me the more i looked into this car I thought I was just the only lazy one who didn't vote every few years um but it was astounding to me that over half this country does not vote doesn't register to vote doesn't I mean basically there's two 25 percent in this country the the vote for either party and there's like a bunch of idiots in the middle who can't figure out which side they're on because they're like they're those people that you're like do you want

to go to mcdonald's you want to go to wendy's and like i don't know and you're like when are you gonna know i don't know i have a hard time you know it's like is is i don't understand that i don't understand how anybody could be undecided right now there's some people i meet that they have trouble like they're the person who's that who they spend an hour making the life choice whether they're gonna have the burger or the quarter pounder mcdonald's and you're like you're like it's fucking mcdonald's like you know it's on the fucking menu like you should have known like a year before you got here what you're gonna order and they're like well what do you have on the menu and you know they're making like a life choice like they put more time into choosing between Big Mac and Quarter Pounder

and the extra fries than they do in their marriage and, I don't know, whatever else they got going on in their life. I don't know, kid. Yeah. You know, Joe Biden say, we're fighting for the soul of America. We really are. We really are. And that's true.

We really are. Yeah. I know that Eric Holder in the Obama administration and Obama pushed for police reforms. They had all sorts of agreements with the states to try and get police unions to reform. Ferguson was a big proponent for that because it was so awful there. And they started going after these police departments and precincts that had issues um i've known my share of bad cops i mean not all cops are bad uh but one of the problems is good cops can't turn in bad cops and there's that blue line you know i've seen serpico

um you know if you're a cop who calls shit out you're not you're not gonna you gotta watch your back from there on out and these are people licensed to kill so they can misfire a gun or whatever but um so do you see george floyd's um killing and everything that's gone thereafter in fact we have the new upswell in atlanta from that young man who was uh who uh way too much use of force uh for dui you know i mean that you watch the videos and you're just like why does this have to why does this have to keep happening and i mean it's even more amazing because we're in this crisis stage and we're three weeks in and we still have cops that just feel like they can pop off their gun anytime they want. And do you really feel like this is a seminal moment that's going to change the world?

Or is this going to die out in three or four weeks and people are just going to be like, yeah, whatever the next crisis is? No, this is a moment that's going to change the world. And I really believe that because the world has seen the effect of Donald Trump and what he represents. What happens in America does not stay in America. We are leaders around the world and people do look to us and look up to us. And white supremacy is on the rise around the world. And when we elected Donald Trump, it did give voice to white supremacy. It gave voice to white supremacy around the world, not just here in the United States. And that fight is happening around the world. And I think that's the reason why you see protests happening around the world. There are people who are fighting back. And I say, America, the United States, Utah, voters around this country, we cannot mess this up.

We cannot screw this up. We have to look to history when we got it wrong. And yes, the 1930s, the 1929 post-Great Depression Germany got it wrong. They did not stop the rise of Hitler. They did not stop the rise of Nazi Germany. And Germany was hurting after the Great Depression. We could think about that, what's happening right now with COVID, right? And we're entering Great Depression numbers and people are losing their jobs.

We cannot give in to fear. We cannot give in to hopelessness to allow someone like Donald Trump and William Barr, who Donald Trump cannot be Donald Trump without William Barr. That's the truth. And we cannot allow them to take us to a point of no return that can ricochet around the world if we don't get this right. Yeah. Do you do you feel I one of the biggest problems with the 2000 election was there was a lot of voter suppression in the black community in the south. There was the usual games with the polls. But a lot of black people didn't show up because they were disenfranchised.

They felt they didn't have leadership. A lot of them were just so disgusted by it. I wasn't happy to vote for Mrs. Clinton. I respect her. I'm not a big Hillary Clinton fan because I lived through the 90s with the two of them and wasn't a fan of them then. I think she's a good person, and I voted for her. But I didn't want to vote for her. But I know a lot of people felt surprised.

It's just she had a lot of baggage. Let's put it that way. She had a lot of baggage. And you have to remember, this was a 25-year-old. And I was all for women. Yeah. I was all for women. Yeah. I was all for women. I'm fine with that. You know, I lived through the 90s with the Quintins.

I actually voted for Ross Perot the first time. I was one of those people. There you go. I really did. Yeah, I was one of those people. That dude was crazy, man. I know. When I think about that now, I'll be like, dude was crazy, man. I know. When I think about that now, I'm like, what in the world was I thinking?

He seemed really sane until he quit. It started getting weird. It's like, oh, shit, we dodged a bullet there. I know. Yeah, we really did. We didn't learn anything. You have to remember, the country did great. The country did great under Bill Clinton.

The country did great under Bill Clinton. Balance the budget? The country does great under a Democratic president. It does. I mean, the problem with Democrats, and I'm going to criticize this a little bit, and I'm a Democrat at heart, is we allow the Republican Party to shape our messaging. And we allow them to portray us in the way that we are not, that we are constantly playing defense rather than offense. Always, constantly. We can run on a democratic platform and democratic message and a democratic record.

It's a good record. Yeah. We have, under democratic presidents, the deficit have gone down. And most people didn't even know what deficit was until Barack Obama was president. And all of a sudden, deficit! And you can think a lot of what George Bush did. The D, what do they call it? They deregulated the banks and the Barney Dodd-Frank thing.

They let just these guys go crazy with mortgages. I owned a mortgage business back then, so I saw all the stupid idiot stuff that went on. Yeah, a lot, a lot of it. And we have to be the leaders of our message. We have to have a message. But along with Hillary Clinton, I voted for Hillary Clinton. I had no problems voting for Hillary Clinton. If you understand, most of the baggage that she brought with her had been dumped on her for over 25, 30 years, starting as first lady of Arkansas, when she made the mistake of really pissing off a lot of conservative women,

especially of Southern women being from Arkansas, that she was not going to stay home and bake cookies. Remember that? And they have been at her ever since she said that. Ever since. Yeah. Ever since. She had a good heart.

She wanted to do health care. She was smart. She wanted to do health care. She was smart. She was a smart woman with a voice and that pisses a lot of people off. It pisses a lot of Republicans off, I know. Male chauvinism. I mean, we have so many

problems in this fucking country. It's not even funny. So do you feel that so I hit on a lot of african-american people didn't show up for the vote um in 2016 because they were just you know they just hated the whole thing of it um do you feel that especially with eric gardner's uh the protests that are going on that those folks are going to show up and vote for biden this oh yeah and we're going to already have i mean the most beautiful thing we can do is we can bury the needle on Donald Trump so hard at so many people that come out to vote and so many people

to vote against him. Like there's no way he's going to be able to pull one of those Bush gore things on us where like, well, it was kind of a margin. Like we need to like send him and his racism and his confederacy shit packing full bore to where all of his followers all those people and i'm not talking just i'm not talking just trump followers because there's some people out there gop and maybe they're not just in touch with

their closet racism um but all of his white nationalist people like i i i i like i i recently posted about how somebody was saying they're trying i think one of the centers is trying to get uh uh well it was the recent thing with lynching where we couldn't get lynching like fully outlawed in the nation you're like why is that not a fucking thing i know why did it take 2002 i mean 2020 i mean it's like 2002, I mean, 2020. I mean, it's like 2002, 2020. This is 2020. Everyone should be forced to go down to, I think it's in Georgia, but that new-

It's in Alabama. It is in Alabama. That new lynching museum that's down there, that will break your heart, wreck your soul. And if you can walk through there without not breaking a tear, I've watched the videos on it and realized the horrificness. I think they did a beautiful job of it. It's sad that they had to build it,

but I think it really brings home the thing. And then recently, you know, we want KKK to be on the terrorist list. It's like, why is that still a thing? Like, why is it not? You know, so they want to designate Antifa as a terrorist organization. Look, trying to find the newsletter for Antifa. I mean, when you think about it, right?

I mean, who wouldn't want to punch a Nazi? With bad people, you know. So you think they're going to come out for the vote? It's not what I think. It's what I know they already have. That makes me sleep better. Yeah, look at the numbers. Joe Biden, and I like Joe.

I like Joe. That's great. Joe Biden has been in the community for a long time. People know Joe Biden. People know Joe. And they know him. They know his heart. They know his history. He has shown up even when the cameras were not rolling.

That is the reason why South Carolina showed up in force to vote for Joe Biden. That's the reason. Now, voter suppression is real. That's real. And right now with COVID-19 and the push to not have mail-in ballots, that's voter suppression. Because they know, especially in the Black and brown folks who overwhelmingly vote Democratic, older Black Americans overwhelmingly vote Democratic. Well, Black Americans overwhelmingly vote Democratic anyway, but so does older people overwhelmingly vote Democratic. It's voter suppression, and they're trying to get people, especially in the middle of a pandemic, too afraid to show up and vote because they don't want to get COVID, obviously.

But also, look what happened in Georgia two weeks ago. Standing in line for five hours to vote. Yeah. That's voter suppression. That's voter suppression. We saw it in Minnesota, I believe. Yes. Michigan.

Wisconsin. That's it yeah yes and uh so i'm hoping that this is going to happen i like i like how things are going unfortunately uh and we talked about this in the chris fosh show what what defund the police means unfortunately that's a horrible uh model logo that you know that should have been i don't know who can't you don't, you don't really have a choice. It's like the mob that comes up with this. But I love, I love what we're talking about now because we need to, we need to put more money that's going to these police unions that, you know, there needs to be a way to get bad cops out of the system and if good cops can't turn in bad cops i was watching some of the articles in conversation with camden new jersey who uh threw out their police union threw out their police department refired everybody restarted there's lots of companies that have done this like i've worked for companies i haven't worked for companies but i've known of companies that they they they start over they fire everybody and, you got to rehire for your job back. Tell us why you want it.

You got to restart over. And I think we're here now. I think we're here now. I'm tired of seeing the videos of abuse, of police brutality. In fact, it became even more ironic when the protests and the riots were about police brutality and how horrific they'd been, um, with George Floyd. And then you just see more of it and you're just like, Holy shit, you guys still aren't getting the message. Like the world's burning.

You guys still aren't fucking getting it. Cops, like not all cops, but you know, you, you see these heinous things and you, you start to realize that there needs to be more power over these folks. I think Ilhan Omar, the representative said it today. Ilhan Omar. She said she was a Minnesota. Yeah.

And, and she said, you know, these, a lot of cops are judged, judged jury and, and an executioner. And this has got to stop.

I mean, there's the guy was drunk in his car from uh two nights ago in atlanta and and he um he maybe he was over the limit or something but and he resisted arrest but is that a murder offense if he would have gotten away they would have gotten him tomorrow they got his car they got his address where he lives yeah he wasn't gonna get he's not a serial killer he's not gonna go kill other people and and have that now but uh but i'm glad i i think it's something needs to happen i think people are sick of everything with these protests and they're seeing the

failures of the government they're seeing the failures of the financials and to and i love seeing these confederate statues go down. I love it. I love it. Me too. Even worldwide. They've got Slade Trader things that were, I think, in London or the UK that they pushed into the thing. And we had this argument a few years back with the rebel flag.

I grew up having the rebel flag as a teenager because I was a rebel teenager. And I didn't understand the context of it it to me it was just the rebel flag you're like what is it this is the rebel flag this is what you have your rebels and you know i was you know a rebelling teenager i had no idea the context i knew that uh it did some stuff in the confederacy but i i think we've really reached a great moment now where we've all kind of woken up to like hey the confederacy was a bunch of losers they were traitors to america they fought the u.s army so you know if you're a republican you're like i support the u.s army and the military but i'm also a confederate flag flyer and i support

a white nationalist president you're like wait no they killed u.s soldiers when you really fucking think about it and then uh fortunately when the i I think it came up after Charlottesville, where there started to be discussions about how many of these Confederate statues, and they were put up by the, I believe, the daughters of the Confederacy. The daughters of the Confederacy. And it was put up during Jim Crow years. These weren't put up right after the Civil War. We're like, we should put these up because we really like Robert E. Lee.

They were put up as these symbols of domination to go. You may have more rights with voting rights and everything else that's been given to you, but we're still in control. We still run the city. And for a lot of people, and listening to a lot of African-American friends of mine, you know, they still, they always hold disdain. I think one of them said to me the other day, or I watched an interview the other day, and he said, my father would never drive down those roads that were named after Confederates in the city. And predominantly, they did that, too, to keep those areas white. You look at the redlining of what that what that is um and so

i'm glad we're finally um we're finally taking these things down i would love to see all the military bases i had no idea that for brag and these other i didn't i didn't know what they're named after but uh i came to a lot of awareness of it in uh after charlottesville and one of the papers or one of the online papers posted all of the named elementary schools and schools and buildings that were named after confederate generals and you just looked at it through the south and it was like holy shit i know they're really proud of that losing and surrendering in the south being traitors like and so uh it really gave awakening so i'm glad we're tearing these monuments down i'm glad we're renaming stuff i think you know you can read it i i learned about history in the in the history

books i didn't need to see a statue of george washington you know i read about him in a book it's fine uh if you want to put all those things in a racist uh uh warehouse and whatever and i don't know what they do with that but you know just put them in there and and i don't know i guess if anyone wants pictures or something they can go in there and then and then we can all write their name down and keep track of who they are um but uh uh i'm glad it's happening i i I, I'm hoping that this is a seminal moment in history. I hope this is, um, maybe it's a, you know, I, Biden said it's bigger than MLK. I think from a numbers game it is because the population of the world is much larger. MLK had a huge impact. His death was, um, was, had a huge impact. His death was, um, was, had a huge impact, his martyrdom for America. One of my favorite speeches to watch sometimes when I get really dark and depressed is Bobby Kennedy and his speech, I believe that was on Philadelphia the night that MLK was murdered and that he gives this beautiful speech, uh, and they didn't want him to because they were worried that he would get attacked or assassinated.

But he gives beautiful speech. And, you know, he, of course, had lost his brother to being assassinated as well. So it just it was even more powerful. But he gives this beautiful speech. And that was the one city in America where he gave that speech that did not riot that night. And it's too bad that, you know, today we'd have that broadcast. So the thing, but I'm hoping that this is a seminal moment. That's just like MLK that brings us to a new realization.

I remember an African-American, I think it was Van, Van Jones for fun with him from CNN. It was him or one of his friends that wrote back when we started to see the first emergence of Stephen Miller's racist agenda, that we started seeing the hints that Donald Trump was really a racist. And he said, you know, what's great about this moment is we're peeling back the curtain. Now we know who the racists are we have to see it we have to see it it's in our face no we're not hiding it anymore like one of the one of the things i started noticing i never believe fox news i've always thought fox news is bullshit

clean back to when geraldo pulled that stunt in in desert storm and he gave away the position. And Arlo has always been an idiot in my mind, so there's that. But I started having these friends once Donald Trump started giving rise in 2015, and I started having these friends start bashing Obama. And you would hear you'd be like, you're what?

I know which channel you're watching. And it started coming out and it started to become apparent to me. I'm like, you guys are fucking closet racist. And, you know, I started learning the code words and the stuff. And I'm like, even I had to kind of look at, okay, so do I have some closet racism going on? Do I have some issues?

Or, you know, I started learning about words that you can use that that if you're not really in tuned in or aware of what's going on they're they're they show a bias and they show discrimination uh culture is one and like i didn't realize until donald trump really started using the word culture and i'm like okay what is what the fuck does he mean by culture and then you're like oh he means white nationalists. Okay, our white culture, you know? And I started seeing the signs in Alabama about white genocide. And I was like, my friends who lived in Alabama, they would see these billboards of white genocide.

And I'm like, what the fuck is white genocide? Like, is there something going on I don't know about? I know about Jewishish genocide and you know different things that have gone on around the world with genocide but what's this white genocide what's going on and they start reading about you're like holy fucking shit like i don't know you start you kind of always know that you have a white privilege but when you really start sitting down and thinking about it and measuring it and then measuring what other people don't have and what they're living with

and discussions they have to have with their children. And, um, you know, the moment that they have to wake up one day when, when, uh, I read a lot of different articles of when, uh, I can't remember who published it, but they publish it, uh, in about 2016, they talked about the first moment they got called the N-word. And when they, as a child, they lived in this wonderful bliss of innocence that we all do as children. And then all of a sudden they had to realize that there were people who were prejudiced against them because of their skin color. And then that's when it like hit in and their parents had

to sit down with them. You know, one of the pictures that always touches me the most um is martin luther king standing on his front lawn with his young son and there's a burnt cross that was in his front lawn and he's standing with his son and i and i look at his son just from a human aspect and i go my god what did that have to be like as a a father to have to either explain that to his son or just for his son to see that? Like, I have no idea what I would have done if people were burning crosses in the front yard as a child. I mean, Medgar Evers was shot and killed in his front yard. Yeah. And it's just a tragedy at every level.

And we used to be this America that we were like, Hey, do you have a problem? Okay, well let's lift you up. And we, we do have the darkness of racism, but, but I, you know, I'd hope we'd become America where we've risen up, but now we've become America that's so fractured and so financially desperate and broke the elimination of the middle class with, with the trickle down economics and everything else, what Republicans have done and and and so now we're turning on each other going fuck you i need mine and and i don't care

about yours but we're we forget that the rising tide lifts all boats if i help you up then then you help someone else up or i'm gonna fall down down and you're going to help me back up. Cause I helped you. I mean, this is, this is what America used to be about. And so I'm really, uh, it's sad that we have to lose so many people and the tragedy has to happen, but I'm really, um, I'm hopeful in what's going on with these riots that, and, and what's really nice is they've, there was kind of the riot period. And now they've just really turned in these really peaceful process, make it even harder for fox news and donald trump to be

like oh look at those rioters they're bad you know well as long as they're allowed to call them rioters and looters the conversation shifts and because those are criminals protesters are protected by the first amendment riot Rioters and looters are not. Yeah. So that's the difference. So I'm hoping, I'm hoping it's going to be a major change. And I,

and I hope the message we send to Donald Trump is, is so powerful that, that, uh, like there's no, I mean, cause you know, if it's,

if it's close, he's going to be like having a lawyer is going, you know, we need to recount that vote and all that BS. But I hope it's so overwhelming. And I hope he's still not in deep stages of dementia because he's showing that now in many strokes. I just want him to be conscious of when America rejected him and rejected his confederacy, his white nationalism, his racism.

And, you know, we need Utah. We need Utah to reject it. We need Utah to vote against Donald Trump and to vote for Joe Biden. That that would be astounding and wonderful and totally send a message when Utah voters say, this is not who we are. This is not who we are. Yeah. It's not who we are and who we want better. We need to love everybody. We need to love Americans. And, and I've said this before, hopefully COVID-19 brings us closer together.

Cause we realized that if my neighbor isn't healthy, I'm not healthy. We could all die. There might be another pandemic coming. So I appreciate you coming on the show, Darlene. I know I've taken a lot of your time, and you're welcome to come on anytime you want. I'd love to have you back again. We could probably talk forever about politics. I know.

We could. You know, if someone, the, the final thing I want to bring up, what, what's the best thing someone can do if they're concerned, if they have racist tendencies, maybe they feel they're a closet racist or the things that I do as a white person that are racist, how can, how can someone like that get educated on how maybe to clear out some of their, their issues?

That's a good question. And it's a question that's being asked to black people a lot. And I see this on social media posted by black people. It's like, how are we supposed to answer this question? Maybe Google closet racism and figure it out. But, you know, here's what you can do. Look in your immediate circle and see how much diversity you have in your immediate circle. Look at your church.

Look at your grocery store. Look in your family. Does everyone look alike? Look at the things that you read. Look at the television shows that you watch. Look at the news that you listen to. Look at all of that because you can answer that question quite easily. One of the challenges with Utah is it has a predominantly high white

state. I mean it's a 90 or 93 percent. I just looked at it no it's less than that it's um i i gosh what you know i'm thinking about something else i'm yeah it could be it could be between in the 80s i think it might be 87 yeah i looked it up and had it in the chris peterson i came from california so i grew up in the melting pot so I came from California and I and then my parents moved us here in the teens and I was shocked I was like where's everybody else I think there's a lot of white people and like my favorite one of my favorite stories is we went to the Mexican restaurant that was here in Utah uh this is like you know 40 years ago and I go you know can I get

some hot sauce and they brought us ketchup and I'm like this isn't this isn't a hot sauce and I'm like and it took me six months to see a Hispanic man here and when I went up to him I shook his hand I'm like oh cool everyone else is here there are other people here fucking white people um don't even get me started on white people cooking in Utah oh my god um you know I grew up in California. You have these boroughs where you can go to. You can go to Little Vietnam, Chinatown. You can go to all these little boroughs and all these little delis back then.

You know, you had all the small Italian delis and stuff. And so you can go to these places and get authentic food, meet authentic stuff. There's still places in California you can go down there and just you can meet these people from another country that still don't speak a link to english but they'll make you the best damn whatever nationality of food there is it will be the best thing you ever had they'll come out they'll be the nicest folks to you can't understand you and you're like i don't i don't care what language you speak man do you serve this kind of food baby i love you um we all connect over food we all connect

bourdain but maybe i could be the fat anthony bourdain someday but no i i i would implore every people everyone and i think i'd add to the great advice that you had if if you want to understand what's going on listen listen to what black people are saying. Listen to what people of color are saying. Listen to what people that are, uh, are, are suffering from job loss, suffering from COVID-19 more, uh, realize that we're, we're, you know, I got thinking about it. We're really not that far from equal rights. Uh, the 1960s were not that far. Uh, we had 400 years going before that of slavery and repression

and the ugly stuff we did. I mean, we're just finally getting around to tearing down the Confederacy. I mean, we're still in a place of rebuilding and regrouping and realignment. And one of the things that gave me hope was that I've been holding on to for dear life was when Obama said, you know, sometimes America zigs and it zags and where it zags back to is the most important. And I forget who wrote the book, our better angels. He's a famous historian, but you know, hopefully that's what we get back to is our better angels.

So I think the important thing is to listen and wonder okay you know and and if people are hurting we shouldn't kick them we should lift them up and go let me how can i help you how can how can we do better and uh i think if you're a white person there google google uh closeted racism and see if you have any of the they're like little words that people use and they don't realize that that that implies a sense of bias and i fortunately i grew up in a very diverse thing but i think it's harder in utah because i mean try and find you know other than the metro area of any it's it's hard to find we. We are here. Believe it or not, we are here.

And we are even in Utah County. Yeah. We are up north. We are here. And you can diversify your circle. You can become involved in organizations that seek diversity and inclusion. You can seek it out. You don't have to believe everything that you thought,

every stereotype that you hear on Fox News about black people, mostly about black liberals. Get to know who we are. Listen to what we are saying. Trust us. You don't have to speak for us. Trust us. We can speak for ourselves.

Yeah. And we're all human beings. We all have kids. We all want the best for our families. We all want the best for America. We want, you know, everybody have a fair shake.

We want people to, you know, be, be, be hired and be judged on their merits of just being good human beings. I mean, I live with a song, Imagine. Anytime I, anytime I lose my way, I go back to Imagine by John Lennon and where everyone's, you know, we're all human beings. That should be the flag we're under technically. I mean, I'm American, but I believe in being a citizen of the world. But anyway, it's been wonderful to have you on, Darlene. Give us your website so people can look you up while you get to know you better.

It is DarleneMcDonald.com. There you go. There you go. And I implore all my audience to get registered to vote. I mean, I don't care if you're going to vote for Trump. Just register to vote, man. Get involved with politics. Get involved. Do the thing. Just remember

he's against absentee ballots and you can get COVID-19 if you come vote. I just saw the Republicans are burning the absentee ballots. It turns out a lot of their stuff comes from the absentee ballots. This is hilarious. I mean, it's Darwin. That's right.

Yes, I saw that. We're okay with that. They can bone a Bellas if they want. Sure, burn your Bellas. Go ahead. Don't show up. It's COVID-19. It's on the handle of the door. I'll be there coughing.

No, I'm just kidding. I wouldn't do that. But no, it's vote for, this is what my big vote for was in 2018. Vote for empathy. Vote for people who care about everybody big vote for was in 2018. Vote for empathy. Vote for people who care about everybody because if they care about you, they care about me. They care about your kids.

They care about your future. Vote for people who care. Vote for people that have empathy. So thanks, my audience, for tuning in. We have the show on both resistanceradio.com and the chrisvossshow.com, probably chrisvosspodcast.com. So go to those websites, check them out, subscribe to the show, go to thecbpn.com and the Chris Vosha.com probably Chris Vos podcast.com. So go to those websites, check them out, subscribe to the show, go to the CBPN.com or Chris Vos podcast networks.com nine podcasts there.

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