The Chris Voss Show - The Chris Voss Show Podcast – Empowerment and AI: Navigating Layoffs with Layoff Ready’s Founder

Episode Date: August 3, 2025

Layoffready.com About the Guest(s): Pav Lert: Pav Lert is the founder of Layoff Ready, an innovative platform dedicated to empowering professionals, particularly ambitious women, to prepare for potential career disruptions. With a focus on leveraging AI and existing skills, Pav helps individuals build financial and career resilience, offering them the tools to navigate job insecurity and life transformations. Her motivation stems from personal experience, as she found the strength to establish financial independence post-divorce and now dedicates herself to aiding others facing similar uncertainties in their careers. Episode Summary: Welcome to an enlightening episode of The Chris Voss Show featuring Pav Lert, the founder of Layoff Ready. This episode dives deep into the intersection of technology and career resilience, highlighting how AI can be a game changer for professionals fearing potential layoffs. Pav shares her personal journey from corporate burnout to founding a platform that empowers individuals to secure their career futures and cultivate life balance. Through her program, she outlines how AI tools can support individuals in navigating uncertainties and building a robust financial foundation. In this episode, Pav shares strategies that have proven effective in helping high achievers transition from corporate settings to financially independent roles. She discusses the importance of being "layoff ready," a state of preparedness where professionals can confidently manage job loss or life changes without fear. With insightful discussions around using AI to enhance productivity and the value of building an emergency financial plan, Pav presents actionable steps to future-proof careers. Tune in to discover how to maintain work-life balance and achieve peace of mind in today's ever-evolving job market. Key Takeaways: Layoff Ready offers strategies for professionals to leverage their existing skills and networks for career security and resilience. Integrating AI into workflows can drastically improve productivity, offering significant time and cost savings for businesses and individuals. Pav's personal journey underscores the critical need for a backup plan in both career and financial aspects, emphasizing independence and self-reliance. The importance of understanding personal finances is highlighted, particularly for high-achievers who may overlook foundational financial literacy. Building a support network and having accountability partners are essential components for success and personal growth during career transitions. Notable Quotes: "Layoff Ready means the freedom or of options, you know, that you can walk away from any situation, jobs or relationships that no longer are serving your highest good on your own terms." "No backup plan, no peace. When you have no backup plan, you have no peace, no leverage, no freedom." "Trust yourself and stop playing small, especially for women." "Loyalty is not always rewarded, and burnout tends to be normalized in today's world." "Resilience is very important and it's rooted from the self-belief that you can do be anything."

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reflect the opinions of the host or the Chris Foss show. Some guests to the show may be advertising on the podcast, but it is not an endorsement or review of any kind. We have an amazing young lady on the show, Pavlergic Benjong, the founder of Layoff Ready, joins us on the show today. We're going to be talking to her about her experience. And she's going to be telling us a lot of cool stuff. I've been talking in the pre-show about how she utilizes AI, not only for business, but she gets stuff done.

I think I'm finding some new ways that I need to utilize AI. And, you know, I think I'm going to just have AI do the show from here on out. Anyway, welcome to the show, Pav, how are you? Hi, Chris. Thank you so much for having me here. I'm great. Thank you for having us as well, me and the AI bot, evidently that I made and just invented. So give us your.coms, where can people find you on the interwebs? Yes, so I'm Pav, I'm the founder of Layoff Ready, a platform that helps ambitious women who are, you know, go from like quietly burnout or already got laid off, a little bit panicking and wondering what's next, right, to be able to fund their

freedom and make work optional before life forces you to. Is it just targets for women or can men get in on this deal? We don't discriminate, but majority of my audience, if you want to come hang with us, be my guest. Well, you know, it's a women juggle a lot nowadays. A lot of single moms out there have a big dating group. So I know a lot of single moms are trying to make everything work. And then, you know, everybody is and then a lot of layoffs Are coming. I mean we're kind of in a downturn right now. There's a lot of people here in America. They're looking for jobs

So it sounds like from what I understand with what you do You kind of help people prepare themselves for some of those things. Tell us about how that works Yes, so Basically, I help high achievers turn their smart, what I call smart, lazy genius, which basically are their existing skills or network or even existing money, that they already have to be able to build their financial security, but not just financial security, but also career security and life security. Because, you know, Chris, most high achievers are secretly exhausted. And I remember those days really vividly from my corporate days.

You know, they feel very trapped in this golden handcuffs. And just what you talked about earlier before on, you know, layoffs are coming. It's not just a matter of if it's coming, but when with AI advancement and all that. So lots of people are stuck in the jobs that they no longer love or feel like they already are outgrowing them, but still a little bit afraid to walk away because, oh, the benefits are so good, the stocks are not fully wasted yet, you know? So don't know if they are financially ready.

So the problem is no one ever taught us how to prepare for the job loss or life reset before things happen. And don't get me wrong, like if you go on, you know, the internet, there are so many experts or gurus are teaching you how to do that after things already break. But why do we have to wait that long to actually fix things that we know that is inevitably

are coming? Pete So, tell us about, more about Layoff, the company. You've got Layoff ready. How did you develop this? What was the proponent of it? And how did you get the idea that you're like, you know what, this is what I need to do. So okay, first of all, let me maybe just briefly walk you through what layoff ready is actually all about.

For me, layoff ready means that the freedom of options, that you can walk away from any situation, any people, boss, jobs or relationships that no longer are serving your highest good on your own terms. So being layoff ready doesn't mean that you are expecting like disaster to happen, but you are basically building your unshakable financial and career resilience foundation. So you never have to feel trapped again. Because to be honest with you, Chris, my first layoff was, and we did touch on this a little bit offline. My first layoff was during my divorce, when I walked away from my divorce with barely anything but my two pet rabbits.

Wow. Yes. And, you know, at the time, I didn't really prepare because, you see, like, I got married to a rich man. I thought I was set for life, you know, and things were great and everything. But, you know, life happened, right? So I never really had to be financially prepared. Luckily, I still had my job and you're gonna laugh.

I couldn't laugh at the time, but what really got me out of that was one day, I was talking to my lawyer and she's like, Pav, in order for you to get a divorce, the first step is to do budgeting. And it took me like six months, Chris, finished the whole budgeting. It was just more about the mindset. So to my surprise, I found, saved through like all my accounts and found a hidden 401k that I said it and forget it invested

for years and I was like oh crap I didn't even know that I was a millionaire in a making you know at the time when I was like sitting you know like in a how do I say that a true box apartment in New York City you know crying on the floor with my two pet rabbits. And ever since then, that was like my starting point at, okay, nobody's going to come to save you. I have to be my I need to be my own rich man. I need to save myself. So that was like the spark of okay, like I need to do something to help not just me, but like women in so many, you know, that there are so many women in, in my situation that didn't feel that they are, you know, that there are so many women in, in my situation that didn't feel that they are, you know, preparing their career financially prepare to like really

be able to get that unshakable resilience. And that was like the starting point of layoff ready more, more so in my thoughts, up until recently that I actually left my corporate job. That's when, you know, it came to fruition. Well, you fired yourself basically from someone else's job and made your own. I love it. I love it. And so how do you do this? I see on the website, there's have AI, your AI powered financial reset companion.

your AI powered financial reset companion. So my understanding is you've utilized AI to help automate maybe stuff with your life and business. So Path AI is more so like a interface that I use for the members in my community to like basically in there, I put in, I don't even know how many pages long of like all the knowledge from not just from mine, but also the research that I've learned from talking to so many people. And before that though, Chris, I've actually spent over, I would say like 1000 hour plus to try and fail different side hustles to really found out that, oh my gosh,

you know, the only side hustle that is actually working is the one that is aligned with your God given purpose and is something that you already have within you. Or, you know, think about like how, you know, people incorporate. We already have within you, or think about how people in corporate, we already have our existing skills that the companies already pay us big bucks for. We just don't know how to translate that, the corporate skills into the non-corporate setting and make the money from there.

So basically that's kind of like all the knowledge that I put in there and then you know the members can go in and ask different questions. So you got a membership community people can join and get involved with then? Yes. Fun is fun. So you build this out and how much time do you think And how much time do you think utilizing AI or maybe how much money savings or utilization you've gotten from AI is like, we just had a show where they were talking about pre-show where he talks about AI and how much time it saved me so far in my life.

I think you've taken it definitely to the steroids level and maybe I need to do the same thing too. But the amount of time you can save and everything else and just automating your life, how has that really done for you and some of the things that you can, that might do for people that wanna consume your product? Yeah, so Chris, that's a great question.

I would say, okay, first of all, tremendously and without AI, I don't think that I could get where I am today, because I left my job in a few months ago. And that's when I first started Layoff Ready and Make. This is my full-time official job. But basically, AI is integrated into every workflow that I'm doing, starting from helping me brainstorming ideas,

building content. And by the way, for content, this is something that a lot of people are already doing by automating your content everywhere, and then creating the content. So I already have that process automated there. And I would say in terms of the clients or members interaction, this helps tremendously

because obviously that's only one path, but right now we have 200 women in our membership. So I can't just be everywhere and be everything for everyone at the same time. So this really helps offload a lot of burden. And by the way, so like say every Friday, we have our Q&A session. By maybe like Thursday, I already have

AI analyze, OK, like these are the top questions, the top questions a lot of members are asking and Already given me the guideline not tell me what how to answer but give me the guideline on okay Like this is the direction, you know or the sentiment of the members that You know how we can lead the conversation into the next day Yeah, so it does help tremendously and by the the way, Chris, you asked about like, how did AI save in terms of the money, right? So I think like at this point, since since layoff ready is still a startup, I, you know, basically, I don't need to raise the money, I am not digging into my savings to build a company, basically, are running everything organically and also like the ads right

now, um, we are not doing any ads, but we get people from like the words of mouth and also AI is helping me finding leads. So, you know, I don't know how to quantify that in, in, in terms of the number yet, but it does save a lot. Sounds like it does save a lot. I need to automate some of this stuff. I mean, I don't talk to clients much. There's a bit of emails that go back and forth,

but I can see if you're running, I used to have hundreds of employees or up to a hundred employees that worked for me. Boy, I would have loved AI to try and run some of those folks and get them. So the main focus that you're talking about is having people learn to be layoff ready. What do most high achieving professionals get wrong when it comes to success and financial freedom? Oh my gosh. I think there are lots of things. Let me think, I think that the top things though is that in

today's world, loyalty is not always rewarded. And burnout tend to be normalized as, oh, if XYZ person is working hard, burning the midnight oil. So that means that, oh, he's busy climbing the ladder, doing good things, so he get promotion and all that. But life doesn't have to be this way. There are so many different segments in life. But yeah, I would say in today's world, it's more about loyalty is not always rewarded,

whereas it's like in the past, in our parents' era, where people have pensions. So right now, yes, we have 401k, but you know, most people don't really have a lot of money there. So, so yeah, that's like one of the, you know, my sets that are sentiment that people are talking about. Yeah, it's, it's, you know, people always have this job mentality. I've worked for myself all my life and, uh, I love it because the only person who can really fire me is myself. And, uh, I've done that a couple of times. Um, the, uh, thanks to the 2008, uh, housing crisis, but, uh, you know, I, uh, it's nice because, you know, I'll hear of like, uh, Facebook laid off 50,000 people today and you're like, do I hope they kept some smart people?

I don't know. They just, that's the only way they just lopped off a bunch of heads and it didn't matter how hard you worked or how good you worked. You know, when I was young, I did work for companies and sometimes I wonder how hard I worked, you know, the layoffs came, the recession came, and I was like, what about that loyalty, eh? And they were like, here's a pizza in your pink slip. It's a LinkedIn joke about the pizza and you know, all of a sudden. What are the practical steps the audience could take today to become

layoff ready without quitting their job first? Yeah. And Chris, just one thing, like to your point about like, you know, the big tech or a big firms layoff, like if you notice the trend though, you tend to see their stocks go up after the mass layoff and that's because the cost, right? Because you are the cause and they are eliminating you, so hence more profit for the company. So like when people think that job security and loyalty is equal, loyalty and performance, like that's not true. The layoffs are about profits, the bottom line, not loyalty.

Oh yeah, they're making their money. Yes. So yeah, totally. I think that's what it comes down to. And, you know, we've also seen, like, even with AI advancement sometimes, and I'm not going to name the companies, but I'm sure that you can research and find that, but they are using AI advancement as an excuse, at least for now, to outsource, you know? And we talk about, like, outsource, like, tens least for now, to outsource. And we talk about outsource tens of years ago,

but now the outsourcing to India, for example, is still happening and is facade under the name of layoff because of AI efficiency and so on. So a little bit of tricky dicky there. Are you sure that the Corporate Valley, Silicon Valley would actually do that to us? That seems. Oh no, never. Oh no, never. I'm sure Mark Zuckerberg has got the best of integrity because he has such a great

track record. At least that's what I'm saying. Oh yes. We love Facebook. We love the tool. And please, Mark Zuckerberg, please keep the Facebook group. This is like gold. it's free community for everyone. Um, okay. So go ahead, Chris. Uh, the other question I had for you, you, so you walked away from a 300 K job at 43 to retire from corporate. What was the pivotal moment that made you decide to say, eh, I'm not working here

anymore. Did they offer you pizza and a pink slip? No, I'm just kidding. That's it. I'm not working here anymore. Did they offer you pizza and a pink slip? No, I'm just kidding. Honestly, I didn't just burn out, but I completely broke down. But when I say that though, it's not like, you know, broke down in a sense of like being like dramatic exit or anything like that in a public way. No, that's too bad. Those make great TikToks. Right. Yeah. Yeah. You're not seeing me on TikTok doing that. But so that was like no

screaming, no meltdown, but it was like I broke in silence. And I think a lot of women can relate or pretty much people in corporate can relate to this, you know, like in between zoom calls, sometimes I would just mute myself and cry, because it was just like so hard, you know, with all the things that you have to deal with. And, you know, you still are functioning, right? So like, I still hit all the deadlines, make six figures. But deep inside, I felt like all the success in the world couldn't really trade the piece or the lack of it that I didn't have inside. I felt like I was so empty inside. But the moment that was, okay, I really need to pull the plug Chris was when Wind I was missing my grandmother's last breath Yeah, cuz I was just too busy working on a PowerPoint presentation for a meeting that I don't remember anymore And I kept making excuse and by the way, she was hundred years old

So definitely she lived a full life, but you know, you know, yeah But I'm sure like you cannot you can relate to the story as in like, you know, you can, yeah, but I'm sure like you can, you can relate to the story as in like, you know, sometimes you you feel like, okay, I'm due to meet this person to like, go visit them or your family member. And then you wait, you wait, and you wait. And that was just the same story because I go, you know, too busy doing x, y, Z. So, you know, like for me, that slight number, that 37 was kind I call that my pivotal point. It's not because it matter, but it's because it caused me the goodbye that I will never get back. Basically, my, you know, the whole time that I was in corporate, I was just literally living my life through FaceTime, watching people

that I love grow old and not really being the participant in that life. So I thought to myself, okay, I need to really chip something and that's what I did. Yeah. You bring up a good point. No one's ever going to remember that PowerPoint. We're always putting stuff off. There's that old, what is that? Cat Stevenson, the cats in the cradle and silver spoon.

You guys like, yeah, I'll play with you son. When I get some more work done, because he's trying to pay the bills and stuff. The time goes by and I think I can think of moments of my life where I wish I'd spent more time with people or the dogs that I loved And you know, I was running around just trying to you know, be take care of everybody and make the money and and you're just like Okay, well do that tomorrow. I'll spend time, you know, I even do that now with my puppy, with my dog. We've lost the, last year I lost my other dog. And so for a year she's been really depressed.

And so I try and go out two or three times a day and play with her. And this is hard. It's, you know, sometimes you're just like, I gotta do this thing and it's important to her and, and, you know, I've got to make her feel good. And a lot of times, you know, we just put these things off. I'll talk to grandma tomorrow. You know, I'll talk to mom tomorrow. And some, and sometimes people disappear from our life and you know, if you just kill for five minutes back. So it's great

that you build this program and gave people the ability to have more freedom. Now you call it no backup plan, no piece. That sounds like my life since 18, starting my first company. What does that mean to someone who's stuck burnout or feeling layoffs right now? Yeah. And first of all, Chris, I'm so sorry about the loss of your dog because I totally can relate. Losing pets is like losing your family members, even though sometimes people say, oh, it's just a dog, it's just a rabbit, but they're your family. So no backup plan, no piece. So basically, most people don't realize until it's too late. So when you have no backup plan, you have no peace, no leverage, no freedom. And when I when I talk about freedom, I'm talking about freedom of options because,

you know, ultimately like what does freedom actually like freedom is very subjective words. Some people can say, oh, financial freedom. But when you actually drill down into like, what does financial freedom actually means to you, right, to people, it comes down to not just having, you know, a few money, but it's more so on freedom to do, be, or be with people that, you know, your heart decides. So by being layoff ready, you are giving yourself the freedom. By having a backup plan, you're giving yourself that freedom of options.

And by the way, I will even stretch to say this, and some people are gonna hate me when I say this, when you have no backup plan, you have a self-respect issue. And I was one of them. When before my layoff, sorry, yeah, the first layoff as in my getting divorced, I did not- First layoff. Yes. That was like my very first and only layoff in life was the divorce. I didn't really have much self-respect,

as in I thought, okay, I got married to a rich man, I'm set for life. I didn't really feel that I was enough to be my own rich man. I didn't feel that I was enough to be able to build my own financial security. So because, say when you are waiting for a layoff or waiting for life to happen to you, no backup plan, you are just neglecting

yourself or like what your soul is really desire. So it was more exciting. Yeah. I mean, when you, you know, I've always, I've, fortunately I am my own backup plan and you know, I've gone through the cathartic moments. Like I mentioned before 2008 where one of our biggest jewels in our empire of companies at the time with me and my partner at the time was a mortgage company. Then we had a bunch of other stuff that made money as well. We loaned out money and did different investments and yeah, that iceberg came and whatever.

So I fortunately know how to create businesses, know how to create money and earnings. And once the economy finally stabilized, for all there, you couldn't move anything. And once the economy finally stabilized, I was able to rebuild and do stuff. I hit some skids when COVID came and had to change my business dynamics and watched a lot of money burn for the first year. So your own backup plan, but having that, like you say, having that knowledge, having that skill and that ability where if you do get laid off from, I guess, a job and stuff

like that, or maybe laid off from marriage. I'm going to start using that. You sleep a little bit better at night. Like recently, I was kind of concerned about some of the things that are going on with these tariffs and what's going on with our politics and economy here. I'm kind of concerned about the economy because I like money. I was like, well, you know, you know how to survive and make this work and just work harder, work smarter and do more stuff. And from the sounds of it, you need to adopt more AI from what you're doing. How do you stay motivated when everything

feels uncertain? What keeps you going when you're facing setbacks in your life? Tiana So, I say two things. Like, one thing, the first one actually is God. I always believe in God and, you know, everything happens for a reason. So there are certain things that is within your power that you can solve, right? But there are also like things beyond my control, your control, our control. So I surrender that fully to God. And then I think the outer thing is trust yourself and stop playing small, especially for women. We were kind of wired to not own the room for the most part of my life, I was born and raised in Thai culture, you know, to like, okay,

I was taught to stay obedient, to not make a noise, to like, you know, kind of be a good girl and make it get good grades and don't really like don't bring troubles. Right. But I think more, how do I say that? But more and more you were told that, you started feeling like you don't really have a voice. And then it becomes that you don't really have that confidence within yourself that you can do, be anything that you want. So I think when things happen, resilience is very important and it's rooted from the self-belief that you can do be anything and

you can pull yourself from any situation that, you know, that presents. Pete And you know, I believe in, you know, the things that help you with your purpose and help you achieve them. So, I'm looking on your website, let's talk about a few things that you have here as your offer. You've got PAV AI, and then you've got Bold Rise Circle, and then some workshops and an emergency kit. Tell us about some of these resources. You got a bunch of other resources too. I think Purge Yourself Book,

Divorce Coaches Guidebook, et cetera, et cetera. Yeah, so Pave AI is basically a free tool that I think we touched about earlier on, this is where I put all my knowledge and also what I've learned from people. And by the way, before I've started all this, I probably spend like $20,000 in all the training and coaching. So that's, it's not the material that is like IP from the teacher, but it's what I actually learn and, you know, absorb and kind of like interpret on my own from there. So it's a lot of knowledge in

there. And by the way, so when you talk about like, how do we, you know, like start to like get layoff ready, right? So like number one is to know your baseline. And this is like part of my what I'm teaching, which I call the bold method, like B stand for baseline, your safety net, and then O is on your story. L is leverage your smart lazy genius and D is design your own your exit. So when we talk about like the financial baseline, for me, even though I got an MBA in finance, Chris, I'll tell you this like up until 38, that's when I actually truly learned financial literacy. And when I talk to women in my community, you know, on like, hey, do you know, like a very simple thing, like say, for example, your net worth, they don't know. It's not that they don't know the

formula right or if I ask them oh do you know what is your monthly runways in like your monthly expenses how much you typically spend. They don't know. It's because you know especially the higher you are in your career the lesser you know about the person like the very personal intimate things, because you trust the experts to help manage that side of your finances. So Path AI can help you, not only just walk you through, step by step on how to calculate your net worth, how you calculate your monthly expenses, but also where are the leakage in your expenses?

Say for example, for me, I have, especially with AI tools, there's so many subscriptions, but there are a lot that I just subscribe and I didn't use. So that also help you see where the leakages actually are. So people find that helpful in terms of kind of like the starting point from there. Oh, starting points, getting them done. Now, uh, so the people have, you've got the group for people can join. So the bold rise circle, um, that's a group's a group that people can join or how does that work? Yeah.

So we are rebranding this to the Bold Escape Lab. And the reason I say that is because we already have a course that teach people the bold method and that's a five-day boot camp. However, what I found was from the first cohort was that people wanted to have more like a continuity to really build their leverage or to really... So like say from the course, you already know what your financial baselines are. You already know on your story. Who are you or who is Chris or Puff outside of corporate identity? You already know that. And then you know what are your existing skills from corporate or that you already have that can be transferable

to make money outside. So you already have the core thing, but the lab itself is the continuation of that, you know, to help you build your your side business from there to, you know, like, and basically, once you go, you go into the into the lab, we pair you with a call accountability, accountability buddy. And this is like what I wish I had Chris when you know, things happen to me like during divorce, for example, that I wish I had somebody not just to talk to her give me advice, but also like hold me accountable that like, Hey, path, you have x y z gold. Did you do it? Or why didn't you do it to like really be that, you know, not just the guide, but like someone to walk with you

who are in similar situation to you that you can actually talk to. That should be good. That should be good. The yeah, it's support that people need, I think, and also a guide thing. I mean, you give people a lot of guidance on how to do all this. Now, I noticed you also have workshops. There's a couple of workshops you have listed here, the No Backup Plan, Smart Lazy Budgeting, and Wealth Organizer. Do you want to tease out maybe a little bit of that? So, right now, we are putting on hold the Smart Lazy Budgeting

We are putting on hold the smart lazy budgeting and no backup plan because we are like, I'm opening another a new cohort because we are finishing up the old one actually tomorrow. So yeah, we are pausing, you know, what I have existing right now, just to focus on the bold method to help people leverage their existing skills and network. So I cooperate. Pete And so people can stay in touch with you on the website and all that good stuff. As we go out, give people your final pitch out. Tell them, you know, how they can find out more, how they can reach out to you, how they can onboard, etc. etc. Yes, so you know if you fear layoff, you secretly are burnout, I know you know I've been there before, come hang out with us on the lab or just you know keep in

touch on TikTok or LinkedIn. My TikTok is at moments of reset and LinkedIn is path and then L-E-R-T, my last name. I'd love to check it out. I don't know. Am I welcome over there? Is it mostly just women? If you like a lot of ladies. I love women, but I'm trying to figure out how to use this AI to do better. Like I said, we had the AI guy on earlier and I was in Vegas this last weekend and I spent the drive back. I was starting to get bored. I was listening to Sam Harris. He had an AI guy on. They were talking about all sorts of different things of AI and what's kind of interesting

how people are integrating AI into their lives. I have a friend who's older and he's kind of shut in because he had some brain damage, so he has a brain injury. And you know, noises and people and complex things can really overwhelm him and It was just typical for that injury and so he spends a lot of time but as a conversing companion and studying and learning things Can't GPT and it works for him and it's healthy I think for him because it gives him somebody in his life and but it's interesting how we can adopt it and it becomes

Somebody so anyway, I was, I was talking, I got bored, uh, in the last couple of hours of the show. And I'm like, uh, let's see if I can get hooked on talking to chat GPT. So I turned on the live mode and started, I didn't even know there was live mode. I started talking back and forth with her. And I guess for some reason I have a female voice. I was like, who picked that? Anyway, um, I always, I dunno, for some reason I think of an old computer is Hal from 2001 Space Odyssey or something. It's always that robotic male voice. But I started asking stuff and learning stuff and I'm like, I asked it how to do my task

list better. I'm like, how can I achieve things better and run a better task list and stuff on? And so I've been kind of really thinking about some of the different ways to utilize it in the way you're utilizing it. So I love checking on some of that too. All right. Well, Bev, give us the dot coms one last time as we go out. Yes. It's layoffready.com. L-A-Y-O-F-F-R-E-A-D-Y.com. Pat Larkin Maybe you can get me to get laid off from my job. I love it. Pat Larkin You need to teach me how to do your job. Pat Larkin I'm still learning to do it now.

Sixteen years and 2400 episodes and I still come off some shows and I'm like, you're an idiot. What are you doing? You're a no talent hack. Anyway, thank you very much, Pat, for coming to the show. I think we'll get it done by year 30. We'll finally get the old master of this whole podcasting thing by year 30. So we'll just stick with it. Thank you, Pat, for coming to the show. We really appreciate it. Thank you, Chris. Thank you. And thanks a lot for tuning in. Go to

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