The Chris Voss Show - The Chris Voss Show Podcast eSports Amateur Competitors’ League CEO Michael Reddick

Episode Date: April 30, 2019

eSports Amateur Competitors' League

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So we appreciate you guys sharing the show and doing all that stuff. Today we have a most excellent, interesting guest. I think you're going to love him. It's Michael Reddick of the EACL, and that stands for the uh let me see if i can pull this up here michael i'll just let you tell us what it stands for absolutely stands for esports amateur competitive league and esports amateur competitive league i'm just waiting for this to be in the olympics so uh tell us a little bit about yourself michael how you got into this and your background absolutely man i really appreciate you having me on, Chris. You know, this came through with my daughter. This was a college

project for my daughter, and we wanted to figure out some type of business for me and her to do together. And at the time, she was a 15-year-old college student. She didn't go to high school. She's an applied mathematics major with a concentration in quantitative finance. And so we came up with, as a professional athlete, we were talking about competition. And I was telling her, you know, it would be cool for everybody to be able to experience what it's like to compete with the pressure of like, you know, having a chance of winning a big prize. And we wanted to figure out how can we accommodate the everyday gamer? How can we make it where, because right now, you know, if you go on and you play on these sites, man, these guys are like,

you may think you're good, man, but when you get on those sites, those guys will hand you your lunch. You have to go back and rethink your values. Right. So what the thought was, how do you make it where the everyday guy who doesn't have time to spend 12 hours practicing, but you like to compete? You're playing all the time for a high score anyway, right? So you obviously like to compete. And so the idea was, how do we create a league that had enough competition and we can actually judge the competition by your skill level

and create tournaments that you will be able to compete the competition by your skill level and create tournaments that you will be able to compete against people at your skill level, right? That makes it fun, right? You go out there, you go to a basketball court. I always tell people, you go to a basketball court, you got 10 guys that can't dribble, right? But if you get out there, they're having a great time and they really want to win, right? No matter how much they travel, double dribble, foul, it's still, I mean, they will be pissed off if they don't win. Right. So that was the ideal is like, look, let's bring down the competition so that everybody can enjoy it. It's video games like girls, guys, grandmothers, grandpa, you know, everybody can play video games.

And I'm a competition junkie. Right. So I love the adrenaline of playing. Right. You know, now I have to play old man basketball. I never thought I'd have to do that. But man, I got out there with them kids one day, all my muscles, everything for the next two weeks were completely sore. And this was just a three-on-three half court game. I can't imagine trying to run full court at this point. Oh my goodness, LeBron. Oh my goodness. And listen, I was a quick guy, right? I actually was a professional athlete. I had signed with the Reddies and played in Canada for a little bit. I ran fast. I was like a low 4'3", 40 guy, right? Man, I got out there and these kids were so fast. I don't know what happened to my speed and quickness, though. But I understand now. And that's along the lines of what I'm saying. It's just like the seniors for the PGA golf. They're still very skilled athletes, but they can't compete with those younger guys, right? But you see an enjoyable

thing. That's our concept. Let's give the everyday guy a chance to have a league that they can play in and they can get competitive and they can actually win some prize money as well. That's awesome, man. I got into gaming late in my life. I was busy building businesses and doing stuff. And then, I don't know, I got bored. I go through these cycles about every five to ten years where I go do something new. And, you know, we review a lot of products, our gaming products in the Chris Foss Show. We have great relationships with gaming companies, HyperX, Kingston.

Um, and so I'm, you know, I'm kind of in the gaming world enough to be whatever. I don't know. Um, we even had gaming podcasts now. And so we still review a lot of games.

Like we recently reviewed Metro Exodus, uh, division two. They wouldn't give me, but we're playing division two today. Um, and, uh, you know, we, we have a lot of people that are game developers on the gaming podcast.

I'm plugging the gaming podcast, can you tell? And so, but when I got into gaming about three, four years ago, really hardcore, bought consoles, all that stuff, and just really started being like i'm i will master this stuff i really realized very quickly on that i i am too old to have those flippy little fingers and the and the perfect eyesight you know i'm at the point now where every time i want to read my phone i'm like what's that say like i went to an event recently and they're like hey can you read me the confirmation code?

And I had to show the girl the email. I'm like, can you see what that number is? I have my driving contact lenses in. So definitely, but, you know, everyone on my clan is, like, young because I get those young people in there. And they're like, we'll carry you through the raid, Chris. I'm like, oh, cool. Thanks for helping me, old man. I've been having tennis elbow lately

from my gaming. My nephew, every now and then, he says to me, he goes, Chris, I understand why you just don't play better, man. I'm like, son, you got them teenage eyes, man. Those things are push and regening, man. Those things are fresh and regenerating, man. And I got like old bones

and body parts and stuff falling off. And I just don't the brain doesn't work anymore. So it sounds like you guys kind of have like a way where even like someone like me can compete with some sort of handicap or something. Absolutely, man. Thanks for bringing that up.

You guys probably doesn't describe my game. Here's how we do. We actually take it to where if you're going to play against someone that's better than you, we actually give you points to show that you're playing against a higher skill level guy. We rate everybody from skill 1 to 10. In ours, it's a league and not just a tournament site. You can actually lose all your rounds, but you're playing someone better than you and still have enough points

to advance to the next rounds. Well, that's awesome. I like that. Yes. Now we also took the concept from DraftKings. Like we took a million dollars and then we broke it up to a thousand micro tournaments.

Oh, wow. As a casual player, you always see people saying it's an amateur tournament, but it's like basketball. If you put up a $50,000 prize, you're going to get everybody that went to the Final Four that didn't go pro. So us street guys really don't have a chance. I need some lunch money.

I showed up. That's right. You see these guys in video games, right? It's like a $10,000 amateur only tournament. Like, I mean, anybody who didn't sign the professional contract. It's like so what we wanted to do is have a lot of tournaments so that everyday gamer can understand that. Look, no, no. We have a lot of tournaments. So it's not like it's only going to be eight guys winning every time or you always going to run into that. When we actually get to our advanced rounds in our first we have a first two weeks like round robin. It's a 30 day tournament each month. The first week is like round robin so that we can do a skill assessment and figure out where you're at each month.

Right. And then it goes into a 16 person single elimination term. Now, again, every round you play, you get points, right? So even if you got put out in the very first round of the single elimination, our second, our advanced bracket of 16 are only for skill level people, right? So we're only going to make a tournament with skill level one people. If I'm creating a tournament of skill level one, they're not always going to win so we go through the system actually goes through and find all skill level one people and find them by points and the top you know 16 people on each bracket or 15 people on each bracket point wise will get

placed in these advanced rounds so that's why we made it more like a league than just a tournament site it's probably a great community too. I mean, you can, one thing I've really gotten out of gaming is I've gotten tons of great friends, at least online in the gaming community. People that will help me, I've helped them. There's just a lot of community that comes out of it and making these friends. And I've had some great friendships come out of it.

You know what? That's what we're trying to capitalize on is just everyday clans that are out and they're competing and stuff, you know, and again, you know, those clans are created so that those who don't have the best skills can find a niche. We all have like a group that we hang out with. One of our buddies is ready to go pro. He comes down, he plays with us, laughs at us, and moves on, right? But the real competitive one is when you play your buddy whose high score is about the same, you want to beat his ass.

Oh, excuse me. I'm not. You want to beat him every time. You can use whatever language you want here. You know, that's where I found my true power. My true power is in building communities and running and managing stuff so with uh destiny and bungie i built 16 clans across pc and xbox and ps4 and so i'm good at running the clans good at being a i try to be good as a good judge um and so what's kind of nice is i can i can build a community and foment the community part of it. And then hopefully they carry the clan leader.

I kind of figured out my little, my little niche in the world, but, but no, it's good. I'll give you an example. I, and I don't really, I'll give the audience the example of how this community works today. Like three or four days a week ago, we bought division two and i started playing it and i've been kind of just kind of going through it kind of taking my time but just kind of going through it learning it and today me and my buddy we got stuck on a level that we should have like two more people and it's just two of us we're just getting killed we're not even

fully up to par yet and stuff and so i'm going online looking through my ps4 stuff and i'm like inviting anybody and so one of the guys comes on and he goes hey chris and i go yeah man what's up dude he goes see what's going on i go hey man we're jammed up here man can you just give us five minutes seven minutes help us through this we've bit off more than we can chew and he goes hey he, man, I remember you from Destiny 1, like four years ago. You helped me through a raid. You taught me how to raid and stuff. He goes, I'll definitely help you, man.

He goes, he pulls another guy. Hey, this is Chris Voss. He helped teach us the first raid. And I was just like blown away by the community of that. This guy remembered like three, four years ago. And I helped him through a raid, and he came through in a moment i needed to and you know it's much more than gaming like when parents hear you know kids gaming you know there's a lot of stuff you learned about community social a lot of great skills in that and and that's what i normally see in these e-gaming environments

it's not just about the competition, although that's fun. There's the camaraderie. I've always been amazed at the gaming community, how you can just have a stranger who will help you because you're a gamer, they're a gamer, and we're going to get through this mission together. And it's just really great. That's right. You're absolutely right.

I tell parents this all the time, like, you know, some kids are introverts, not everybody's out there. And gaming has been able to pull that out of people. And they're talking to people and, you know, they're all going for a common goal and they have the same, they have this like interest and they get that satisfaction when they help each other over that hump, right? And that's a part of what we want to do about. And that's why we wanted to create a league, kind of like the bowling leagues, right? You have guys that are good and bad and stuff and have handicaps, but everybody enjoys their stuff, right? And that's what we want to do with gaming, is create that ecosystem. I mean,

our system will interject roughly about 1.2 million tournaments every month to the ecosystem, 12,000 paying tournaments. You guys have income opportunities for gamers, no-cost fundraising for nonprofits, college scholarships. That's good. Life-changing prizes like an Audi 5. I'll take that. Experience that helps gamers turn their

hobbies and careers. And they can go to theeacl.com. So this is pretty cool. I like this. And to me, I've been telling people for years, it's just a matter of time until esports gaming is part of the Olympics. That's right. It is. You know, and that's funny because one of my business partners used to be the CEO of the Rothschilds North America, right? That was just kind of like a quick name drop type of deal. Mr. Michael Woods there. It's funny because, you know, when we're talking to him and stuff like that, he has people in the Olympic committee, right? And he goes, man, he goes, Mike, I really want to do this e-sports thing because my buddies are saying that it's going to be in the Olympics soon. And he goes, and I he goes, Mike, I really want to do this e-sports thing because my buddies are saying that it's going to be in the Olympics soon. And he goes and I said, well, that's our whole ideal is we would like to be the AAU of video games.

Yeah. We want to create that ecosystem that whereas, you know, you look at the international amateurs. That's what we look at EACL as being is that body that you can come and choose from and prepare to go to the Olympics. Whether you're in college or high school or in the pros, you would have EACL to help you be prepared to move on to that level. We were talking in the pre-show about how, about earlier, about how Twitch, you know, has gotten so huge and so amazing. And it's people watching other people play video games. And sometimes they do it to learn. Sometimes they do it just as a matter of, you know, that's these kids' TV at this age, YouTube and Twitch. And that's how they learn.

That's how they make connections. That's how they network. That's how they teamwork. You know, there's a lot of things. And you know this being an athlete. There's a lot of great things you learn at being a good human being. Games, sportsmanship. You know, there's so many great great things you learn at being a good human being uh games sportsmanship uh you know there's there's so many great things that kids learn and nowadays you know it's not so much that when you're a kid you go out and you go learn uh some of the hardcore outdoor games you're

learning indoor games you know because you go outside because it's dangerous out there you're absolutely right you know one of the things that most people don't talk about or accentuate when they're talking about being competitive is goal setting and the ability to be rewarded from setting a goal. Like every day in life, you know, you say, hey, I want to get a down payment for a car. That may take a year or so. Right. But like sports and competition, you can say, you know, I want to get to level two right in the next two weeks. And you can see where you're at and you get that satisfaction of I set a goal. I did what it takes to get there and to make it to that point. And I always tell people those are the things that when you transition, you've acquired traits that you have to understand and setting goals and being able to get that immediate satisfaction out of it.

Like Chase, like you're saying, hey, we got to get past this level. That becomes, you know, just all embodied in everything that you have to do to get past that level. And that's what we try to accentuate to parents is that, you know, there's a lot more than just, you know, them playing video games. You know, there's, they do more traits that will be beneficial in life. It's just knowing how to tap into them. Leadership is big as well. I lead my clan. When we do raids or something like that, there's always a leader, a guy does the call outs, who leads the team. You know, there's a lot of management traits that you learn in learning to work with different people at

different skill levels. And of course, sometimes, you know, their communication level is a little bit different. You've got to try and get, you know, a whole command team onto a thing. And these are all elements that you're going to use in business. They're elements you're going to use in life. And, you know, a lot of parents, you know, they just they see it from the old world of video games and stuff. So you guys do a lot of cool things. You guys do some charity work stuff. People can get paid from playing with you guys. There's a prize pot.

Looks like a prize pot of twenty five hundred bucks. Well, how it is is actually we have like a million dollar prize pool and we break that up into a thousand dollars. But what happens is if 75 percent of our tournament seats get filled, we add an additional fifteen hundred to it. So we'll pay out the top eight instead of just a single single. Wow. So, again, that whole idea of having a lot of tournaments versus, you know, just one. Right. If you're a casual gamer, you're not, you know, you've already realized that your skill level isn't up to par to be saying that you're going to get on a tournament platform, right? We want those casual gamers to understand that you can

come on because we're going to group you with guys that, if you got a 500 high score, we're going to group you with a guy that has no more than a thousand, like, right? We're not going to someone who has like a 2,500 or a 5,000, where you just have no chance of actually winning. You're right. The part of this that my daughter, what we created was, this is a social enterprise. Our goal was to become the number one social enterprise in the world. So the system is set up to manage 1.2 million micro tournaments a month here in the United States. It could actually help 50,000 nonprofits raise up to $38,000 a year at no cost to them. All we ask them to do is promote it. It's more different than joining a basketball tournament. You know, you get to stay right at home and help out your nonprofits.

We give 50 percent of our entry fees and our registration fees go to the nonprofit. So we probably only have about 5,000. I know I'm saying only because the plan was to be nationwide. We probably have just under 5,000 nonprofits that we can help right now that we're associated with. So in each one of them, they simply sign up for free. We give them a URL and a back office so that they can track the gamers that are coming in and they can use their own URL for gamers to sign up. And that's it. You know, we handle the rest. You know, we just want them to promote it. And we wanted to be able to give to those nonprofits that are given services, but they have a really hard time of raising money. And that was the idea behind how my daughter, this became a college project was creating a social enterprise element of it.

And you guys have, you guys have a lot of games. You guys take and feature these thousands of micro games. You guys have Dragon Balls, Fortnite, iRacing, League of Legends, NBA 18, PUBG, which is pretty interesting. There's a lot of this Battle Royale stuff, Clash Royale. It's crazy how hot that sort of game mode has become. Madden 17. Of course, I love Madden.

Yes. Hearthstone. For us, Chris, it's all one-on-one stuff. We don't really do team stuff because we want to help people get their skills up. The whole idea is we can teach you and be able to hone in and say, hey, a pro shoots 32 shots every five seconds. You're shooting 10. So you kind of know that you need to get up to 20, anywhere between 10, 22 more shots to get where he's at, right? And you kind of can understand why this, and what that does is like in baseball or football,

you start to, you don't get mad at each level that you can't make it at. You just appreciate like, oh, I played varsity high school. You know, I didn't get a scholarship to move on and go play, but I still enjoy the game. It's the same thing with video games. It's like, once you recognize where your ceiling is, you start to recognize and start to appreciate those guys that are pro in your title. Right. Man, that guy just did a hell of a move. Right. And that's the kind of thing that we want to bring to the ecosystem is that you can enjoy it at your skill level. But we can always appreciate. I don't want to compete with the varsity high school guys or the guys who are in college getting scholarships. We are there to help their teams raise money, not to be a competing league with them.

Like I said, more like AAU, like, you know, where you would play summer ball at. You know, that's where we see ourselves at more along the outside ecosystem than the organized high school, college and pro system. That's awesome, man. And there's so much people learn from doing it and watching other people play. I've gotten better watching YouTube, watching Twitch to see how people do different things, to see how people play raids, the variations they use.

And the creativity sometimes that goes into gaming too, where people figure out, I mean, it's just amazing how gamers can go into a game and they can figure out stuff. And even the developers are like, well, we never thought of using it that way, but we figured out how to do that rate a different way than what we designed. You know, I mean, I've got my cheating, you know, I got my scuff controller. That's about

probably as good as the cheating gets. The, you know, I, I'm an old man, man. I got to have heritage again. But what's great is you work with these people, you play with them, and you learn stuff from them because they're like, hey, man, don't do that game that way. Do it this way. And you're like, oh, well, geez, wow. Okay, now I'm a better player.

It's funny you say that. I was telling you earlier how the realization of people watching people play video games came to me. I was talking to a very well-skilled athlete and I was like, man, what do people get out of watching video games? Just like in 2011 or 12, 13 when it first came out. And he goes, what do you get out of watching football or basketball? And I was like, look, I learned. I look at their moves, and he goes to me, he says, exactly. And again, I told you earlier, he had me stuck on that exactly,

like what does that mean? They watch our moves. They watch what we do to get past a level. And he goes, and so they learn, and so we get a whole community, and then we start figuring out together what can be done to get past, like you're saying, now we start to figure out, hey, well, no, you need to do this to get past it. And it becomes a community effort of getting to that next level. And I really appreciated that when he told me, he's like, yeah, you know how you learn how to do a crossover? Because you saw someone do it first.

And I was like, yeah, you're right. That's so cool. I was like, so now I use that all the time when I talk to adults who be saying, watching video games. I said, the same way you watch basketball and learn a crossover. I have a lot of people worrying all the time. The one reason I watch football is to realize that I never play in football because I'll see them hits and be like, no, no, it ain't no. No, I'll keep watching it. I ain't playing that.

If anybody besides Warren Sapp comes barreling at me, I ain't taking that hit. I'm running off the field like a little girl, like, yeah, you're out of the way. You know, it's funny. I did get to experience playing in the NFL and the CFL a little bit, you know, as a practice roster guy. And we were practicing against the Dallas Cowboys. And I was out and I was doing a great job. And man, I was cocky as all outdoors, man. And I remember I stretched out and I got hit by Bill

Bates. And I realized like, yeah, you know what? I am playing pro. Yeah, a lot of college people, they think they're the shit in college and they go pro in the NFL and they're just like, wow, this is like a whole new level. It is. You know, I always tell people like in high school, you may have like three or four athletes on both sides of the ball at all times. Right. You know, just three or four. In college, you'll have 11, five on this side, six on this side. But when you get to the pros, it is 22 athletes on that field.

Please believe me when I tell you it is 22 athletes on that field and their reactions and how they do things is so much more advanced. People can't imagine. Everybody thinks that you can get there and just make it, but they're right. It is a greater skill level once you move up that people deny and not really understand how much of a jump it is. It's not the same comparison like people compare going from high school to D1. No, it's not. It is not the same type of comparison.

I can guarantee you that. And the funny thing is, it's not even like the old days. Like I was telling you before, I've been a Raider fan, you know, since back in the day with Ken Stabler. And, you know, I've watched the Holy Roller film about a million times. And back in those days, I mean, they played to hurt you, man. They didn't. There weren't many rules about rubbing the passer.

It was like, kill the passer. Yeah, we laugh all the time now. He's like, our concussion protocol was how many fingers I got up, get the smelling sock, get back in there. You know, it didn't matter. All of this cute stuff about sitting out of play, that didn't happen. We probably had three concussions a game. Oh, yeah.

Who's the Steelers, Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback, one for – Often – oh, God. I forget his name right now. I love him. He's the greatest guy. But, I mean, he's just like – he's like, we're not supposed to get concussions? We got those like every game.

It's like we just thought that was the normal part of the game, and it was any given Sunday. That's right. That's right. I remember getting hit. I played at UNLV, and we were playing against Utah. part of the game and it was any given sunday that's right that's right i remember uh getting hit on we i played at unlv and we were playing against utah and they may not have been the fastest guys but those guys are very disciplined and they love to hit they didn't give a damn about their bodies right and this guy hit me so hard one time i started walking to the other

huddle and when i realized that i looked up and i kind of started talking junk to him like yeah like like i meant to go over there to tell him, you ain't doing nothing to me. I started talking junk right away to get back to where I needed to be, but boy, I will tell you, he hit me something vicious. I do realize about getting hit and playing at those different levels. The cool part about it is like falling off a horse. Are you willing to get back out there? Get back on and learn. That's right. You got to compete.

And competition is a great thing for people to learn, too. Kids can learn with eSports and stuff. And what's nice is they hopefully won't get a concussion from eSports. That's right. They won't get a concussion from eSports. I don't know. I've been known to want to hit myself in the head with my controller from time to time. Yeah, I used to be banned for every arcade when i was young so i was a guy who was banned because you know you put that quarter in and you don't get that extra man that machine was going to catch it i could tell you

right now i gotta tell you i've been through a lot of scuff controllers this is like there's one there's been a lot of them that have gone through uh the damage control and they're like what'd'd you do to this thing? I fell off the desk. Look, I realized that video games that passed me up, my daughter, she was the co-founder. She was about seven or eight years old. And I used to work construction, cable construction. I had a cable construction company. I would leave for like three weeks to, you know, four weeks. And, and there was this little video game we were playing together. And I used to beat her and just kind of be like, oh, and keep it close for her. So I leave and I go away for about three weeks and I come back and she goes, daddy, you want to play? And I was like, yeah, absolutely. She says, no, go ahead and eat. And she's setting me up, wanting me to just do this blog. I'm going to do this blog.

Afterwards, right? And so I sit down. When I left her, let's say the high score of whatever this game was, was like maybe 4,000. When I left her, she was struggling to get to 1,000. So I would kind of like try to teach her stuff. And when I came back, she was up to like 80,000. She just got out of control.

That's why she was like, no, go ahead and eat. Once I crashed, it was all over. I never got to control her back. You could see this little smile on her face like, yeah, you thought you... I couldn't believe in three weeks just how much she practiced to just kill that.

She did not take kind that I was beating her, even that little bit. In three weeks, man, she just handed me my lunch like nobody's business. And these kids, man, they learn to master stuff nowadays. They're really good at assimilating stuff. Yes. I'm an old joystick guy, so it's hard. I had to learn when Tekken started coming out and all that.

You start doing all the different moves and things like that. But it's old joystick, guys, man. We had to learn to, you know, use all those different buttons and make those moves, man. So, you know, that's natural for them because they just come up and they just do that, right? You know, Asteroid, Centipede, Pac-Man, these are all

joystick type things with one button, man. So, nowadays you got 15 buttons, 22 moves to do it. Oh, yeah, yeah man we've got gaming Mouse mice that have been sent to us To have 20 buttons on the side I'm like there's not everyone That mouse for 20 buttons and

Who can remember where all but they Got the crazy foot and fingers man they got Them young brains young Young tendons and stuff Me I'm like my elbow hurts You know it's funny, though? When you hear them tell each other how to do a move and they talk and they say it

like a professional dance instructor, like professional dance people, they'll say, okay, this is what I want you to do. And if you don't get it, you're not a professional, right? They go over it twice for you. It's the same when you hear these kids talking about what move to do. They'll say, yeah,

just do A and B, D, C, back to X. You'd be like, what? It's kind of like when my mom calls me for tech help on a computer and I go, mom, okay, let's start by hitting the power button. She's like, which one's the power button? And I'm like, oh God, this is going to be a long day she's great um but no so people can uh they can sign up on your guys's website for free um there's power rankings match skill levels um and so it gives everybody a chance they can move the food chain to more exclusive tournaments and they can climb up the ladder as they as you will you guys got overwatch too there you go overwatch is really popular right now for this 2019 everybody can come on right now

for free we want to get their skill level all right we're going to start our inaugural season in the united states in 2020 but we'll still have some like super great prizes that we're going to give away in 2019 right everybody can come in and sign up for free right now because we want to get your skill level so that we can show you that this is why this is fun, right? Because if we get you on there, the more you play, the more we can say, okay, this is why you're a skill level one or two. And the prizes get bigger as your skills go up. So, you know, we have more for a skill level one prizes for them to compete for but the size of the prize gets better as your skills go up oh yeah oh yeah it's kind of like i don't know i don't have a joke for that um so they can sign up they can create a account

of your guys's thing is there community that's part of it online like do you guys have chat rooms or discussion areas or anything like that the community community part of it, yeah, because it took like, man, listen, Chris, when I first got started, I think I had $75,000 to $100,000. I went to a coder and I said, this is what I want to do. Can you have this done in 30 days? Well, about $800,000 to $900,000 later and two years later, I finally got what I thought I was going to get in 30 days for 100,000. So all of the nuances of rankings and grouping people into tournaments that are their skill level took much longer than I thought. I thought when I saw, you know, Arnest Horsenegger on TV, that computers can just, you know, drop down, talk, make your food, the whole nine. But I didn't realize you had to code it for all

that to happen. I'm coding it so that we can say these things that we're saying. It's prepared for international play. We'll be in eight or nine different regions. Actually, you could be a skill level one guy, win,

and move on to go play internationally against other skill level one people so yes it is that's what we say it's like we have the only league where you officially don't have to be the best at that title and you can still compete internationally awesome can i uh when the kids when the when the little what we we call little squeakers when little squeakers are like hey girls i beat you you. I'm like, guys, I'm dating your mom. I'm going to end up giving you a sister.

Exactly. That's okay. You beat me, kid, at the game. I'm going to date your mom and give you a sister. What do you think of that? You like that? You'll have babysitting duties for the next 18 years. I should be charging

for our clans because we had like with Destiny and Bungie you can only have 100 people per clan and so we built 16 clans with all these people across PC, Xbox, and PS4 and you know,

I like playing with what we call squeakers the young kids because those kids can read you through a raid you go into battle with those kids and they can carry you through the most epic war and but you know sometimes they're a little there's a little you know there's they're called squeakers for a reason because they got the squeaky voices and they fight a lot like rat like little mice um and they're always likeakers for a reason because they got the squeaky voices and they fight a lot like rat, like little mice. And they're always like, you know, talking about each other's mama. And you're just like, you don't even know what you're talking about. But.

Wait, how do they get like they'll say so about you never even seen. Right. You don't even know what you're talking about. Right. You do with someone's mama. Shut up. But, you know, I mean, whatever. They're competitive.

They're good kids. But, you know, that's another thing about gaming. The reason why we do one-on-one is you really do need to get your skill set together because some of these teams, man, they will let you understand that you are the broken chain in their whole system. And they are vicious. I've been on there and I've been listening to a nice – they say, how old are these kids? Like 13.

Did he cuss you out better than I can? I'm 50 years old. Yeah, man. 13 to 35, evidently. So I was like, you know, this is why we want to kind of help develop it so that you can have some confidence of your skills before you join one of those teams because they are very serious about it. And there's nothing on the line for it. Right. Other than a win. Right.

It's not like money or anything on the line. But man, it is a vicious way to go out there. That gaming world, man, they say some of the craziest things. Oh, especially the kids, man. When they get older, they're a little bit more respectful, but those kids, man, they go out. And then one of the rules in our clan, when we're on the party chats, on the Discord and stuff, is there's no singing. I don't know what it is

with squeakers, but they like to sing. Right. I'm like, unless you're singing, Dion, there's no singing. Right. And they'll be like, why can't we sing, Chris? I'm like, because you're squeakers. You there's no singing. And they'll be like, why can't we sing, Chris? I'm like, because you're squeakers. You just don't squeak. You're good people, but no, there's no singing.

And Chris bosses around. Like, okay, Chris. But they're pretty funny. Every now and then I'll get after them and be like, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. You don't have to say everything that comes to your stream of consciousness through your mouth. You can just kind of think about stuff without saying it out loud and you know children were meant to be seen and not heard and they'll be like they'll be like uh i'm like didn't your parents ever tell you and they go no and i'm like that's why your generation is a failure oh no

you know it's funny the different cultures of gaming because gaming is a worldwide deal, right? How serious, like if you go to South Korea, they take pride that the, I don't want to say the lowest level. I don't want to call them. Sorry. But the lowest level skilled guy can probably beat some of the pros over here. You just don't have enough room for the pros. Like they'll say it all the time. They'll say, yeah, when you get over here, Mike, your guys are going to love it because we could teach the Americans a lot. They are so serious. There's no smiling or anything. Gaming is as serious as going to work. It's funny because, again, we're in Indonesia. We'll be

opening up there in June. Just the level of seriousness that here, it's something we do. And, you know, you have a few people that are going to reach that level. But, you know, everybody else can, like, work it into life. Over there, it is life, right? It is absolute. Like, and they want to master it. And it's really cool to see them, you know, their whole ecosystem and how they take gaming.

And they are really serious about it. And I played with gamers like all over the world. I keep kind of weird hours cause I'm single and you know, I have businesses and we have clients all over the world. And so I keep weird hours. And so I game with, I'm gaming with kids in Dubai who are Muslim. I've played with kids in India. In fact, we've got a few great India players

in our clans. Those guys can really game well. And I play with people all over the world. I mean, just before I got on with you, we were playing The Division with one of my friends in Britain. And it's just, it's so amazing how much it becomes on a

world of gaming where you literally feel like you're on the couch with everybody and you get to know people and you kind of get to know a little bit about their lives and and stuff but there's this camaraderie that's there i remember years ago i was gaming with some young kids in dubai and and they're um and they were muslim arabic uh, and there had been a terrorist attack. It was, you know, I think it was ISIS. It was some ISIS crap. And I remember they came on, and they go, you know, Chris,

we want to tell you we love America. We're Arabs. We're Islamic. But we love America, and we think you guys are the greatest, and we hate these Islam people, or not Islam, ISIS, excuse me, the ISIS people, and they were, you know, and they were just the warmest, and it just makes the world a smaller place where you learn about other cultures, learn about other people.

So I took some time here to pound out, join the website at theeacl.com. You can find me under Chris Voss 1 on this site there. And yeah, it looks pretty cool. You get signed up. You're now part of the EACL.com. You can find me under ChrisVoss1 on this site there. And, yeah, it looks pretty cool. You get signed up. You're now part of the EACL community. And you're going to be running tournaments. You're going to be part of the tournament. And this is why my eyes are bad.

I need to have my phone here on the website. There we go. I have food on my phone. All my letters are bold. Oh, dude. It's like I had to put my phone like five feet away from me when I read it. And, you know, a couple years ago, my doctor gave me the news. They're like, you just need bifocal contacts, Chris.

And I'm like, I need trifocal contacts. Exactly. When you talk about gaming and how it really does bring the world as a smaller place, man, you do get to talk to people in the same drive that you have, they have. And then you start sharing experiences, right?

And it really does. This whole gaming community really does take you into a whole bunch of different cultures. And now you want to be a part of it. Right. As you're dealing with someone, he's a great teammate. And, you know, you hear about things and you miss them when they don't, when they miss something. Like, man, what happened? Like, just like your work comrades at work or something. Right. You're like, oh, man, I didn't see you Saturday, or you've been gone for the last couple of weekends and you get caught up, man. So you're absolutely right about how it does make the world a smaller place because you now are

talking to people in Russia and Japan and Korea and Indonesia. It's like, it is super cool because like for me, I do keep the same weird hours because in indonesia the business day is night for us so for them to download to me is usually probably about three o'clock between one o'clock in the morning three o'clock right it's like five o'clock there that's the end of their business day so i get that late night download and dealing with coders coders for some reason have a thing against sun i don't know if they're like the next vampire set or something like they can only work from like 11 to 5 in the morning you know so they'll send me all these emails and i'm like man do you understand it's like 4 30 you just now

like this afternoon so yeah i do get to keep the crazy crazy everywhere i go now the younger generation recognizes esports, it's crazy. So people check it out. Everywhere I go now, the younger generation recognizes eSports, right? It's so cool. It looks like it's from some type of league that they've seen, right? So I'm always looking at people

and they're always looking at my logo, E-A-C-L. As soon as I say eSports, anybody 35 and under automatically understands. Like, you know, it's cool. And you know what's funny is my nephew, he's a really

great player on a couple games. He's a teenager. He's got them whipping little fingers and perfect eyes and perfect tendons and muscles. He can sit there and run circles around me with a controller. He

is graduating high school. He just told me that his local college, I'm not sure what type of college it is, but they actually have courses now for eSports. I don't know how that works, but, you know, the colleges now are coming around to realize that there are careers these people can have. If you've ever looked at an eSports team, I mean, there's people that are kind of starting to approach a sort of pro level of income that these guys can take and make playing video games. They're signing contracts now. You know, you probably have a good thousand people that's under contract right now.

And these contracts are at least 60 to a quarter of a million dollars for a year. But there's their program. You know, you got to be ready. It's like any other pro thing when these guys are practicing 10 or 12 hours. You know, it's like anything else being pro. I remember, you know, when I first started doing this, like in 2013, 14, the pushback from parents. Right. Oh, I want my kids to get out. And I said, let me tell you something. In order for a kid to be able to have his fingers and stuff moving at the rate these kids doing for 30 minutes or 40, they have to be in some kind of shape. I always tell these kids, man, go out, practice just like you're a professional athlete, exercise, eat right,

because you're going to ask your fingers and your arms to be doing things for a long period of time at a high level right i always tell them they go ahead and exercise just like a professional athlete so that you can get all that you want from your muscles oh yeah i mean i've been for two months now i've been having some bad uh uh tennis elbow on my left arm and i i and i guess what i've been understanding is it's from my wrist and my palm and stuff. So I've been massaging the palm and my wrist and, of course, trying to not gain quite as much. But, you know, it's still a physical sport. I mean, you know, sitting, focusing, you know, your brain's, you know, whipping around, watching, you know.

And it's strategic too. There's a strategy to gaming and you've got to beat the other person a lot of times in strategy or if it's just a player versus enemy, you've got to figure out how to beat the AI. And there's a lot that goes into it. And, yeah, I think more and more it will probably be – we probably may come to a day in the future where when you go to the Olympics, it's all e-sports.

And then there's like a running thing and people are like, people still do that. Right, right. Exactly. But I always tell them, you know, it's like being a professional driver. I mean, they don't do all the physical things that other athletes do. But man, to be able to get in four or 500 laps, right, you got to be in some kind of shape, and you've got to stay alert.

I mean, it's not like you're just driving. I mean, you could fall asleep. Hell, I fall asleep driving in L.A. traffic, so I can't imagine doing five hundred laps, right? Because you're going to be in traffic for five hours at a time. That's right. I lived in L.A. for three years. I recently...

No, man. In fact, when I came back from L.A. to Vegas, I I came back from LA to Vegas I remember Anytime I wanted to go anywhere, I'd be like What time of day is it? What's the 110 doing? I'm like, wait, I live in Vegas I can go anywhere anytime I want And Vegas is now getting all these new freeways

Themselves, so even when I go out there It's big now We've been building expand freeways I've been on and off here since 1998 It's Oh man, we've been building expand freeways. Like I've been on and off here since 1998. It's just like, we're always building like new free. I don't even know where we, well, we get the money from the casinos. So there's that.

Yeah. Yeah. The whole East side now is, was just barely something. And now Henderson is a whole new world from when I was out there, you know, we saw the plans of what was going to happen. And now the reality is happening. And it's so cool when you go out there, what it looks like now.

They always are reinventing themselves. It is a super cool place to go down because there's always something new that you can check out when you go down. You know what's funny is people still think that everyone in Vegas lives in the hotels on the Strip. They still think that. You're like, didn't you see the subdivisions? We have normal subdivisions. Half the time, I don't even remember that I live in Las Vegas. I'll come out my door and be like, there's Vegas.

I live in Vegas. I should go down there and party. Absolutely. They're starting to support esports really big in Vegas as well. And HyperX has got a new esports thing at the Pyramid Place. Is that it? Yeah. Yes. I know the actual esports arena, they started out here in Santa Ana County.

So they're the same ones that helped put put that together out there in the lecture. So it's cool to see the growth. Right. When everybody said like that was like one of the only first arenas in America. Right. The first Eastward arena in America. So we're out here by a lot of history. I'm out here by Blizzard and all these guys. So, you know, it's kind of cool being out here and Riot and all those guys, man, and just seeing how these companies are just kids that came up with ideas and things, and now they've got multi-billion dollar entities, man. Just like Fortnite, over in a year, it becomes a billion dollar. Fortnite is just crazy huge. I mean, is Fortnite still having their own Super Bowl sort of thing going on?

Yes, man. It's crazy. It it's easy it's insane i love it because you know a lot of the parents are now hearing about it but they're like uh they're still trying to break into it and i'm trying to tell them you know what football it took like 50 to 60 years for it to become the popularity of what you see today. Esports is still like maybe eight, nine years old. Being a structured entity of esports. We know competitive gaming has been around for about 25 years, right? We have our little deal going.

But the industry called esports is only like seven or eight years old. So you can imagine that you still have another 50 years or 42 years where generations are now. Now you as a father, you know, you're going to be telling your grandkids, oh, man, I used to play this game. So that still hasn't happened yet. Right. For football, you know, we like a certain team because either our grandfather like it or, you know, we like a college because our fathers loved that college. We remember watching it with them. That's still that next level of generation building still has to come in esports. And it's already like,

has like hundreds of millions of fans already. And it's just like the thought of where it can go is so, when you talk to numbers in business, everybody thinks that you're like, you know, anytime in business, you're a visionary, your numbers are aggressive, right? Until they actually see like the new zoo reports and all of the things

then i was thinking well no that might be able to happen there you know the crazy thing is too is the um re-gentrification i'm not sure if that's the right word for it but you're seeing these these people now that grew up with ps4 or i'm sorry ps3s um, and, you know, the old games, and they're remastering these games now so you can play them again. Nintendo just came out with, you know, the remade consoles from back in the day. I think a friend of mine posted the other day that he bought the new Commodore 64, and, you know, it still looks like the old Commodore 64 that I had. And they're remastering the games so they can retread them, and what

happens is these kids grow up, they play these games, they grow up, but they still remember those games, so they remaster them, they reissue them, they can still play and compete in those games, and what's even better is it's the same like everything else. Now these parents can really afford to buy these games and pay for the remasters and really fund them. And the life of them just keeps running and going. When they remaster something, you'd be like, now let's see, come on up here now, Junior.

Now you may have me in the new titles. Let me show you how to play Zelda. That's right. Now we're going to be even, baby. Come back home. You have a whole case of stuff. Now let's play. I think I'm probably a pro player at the level of Pong.

I think I'm probably a pro player at Pong. Right. That's right. You get off that Fortnite. You come here and beat me at Pong. Right, that's right. I'll be like, you get off that Fortnite, you come here and beat me at Pong, kid, and then you'll have something to say. That's right, that's right.

I remember when it was Atari, right? When Atari came out, it was only like a few people on the block that would hit Atari, right? So everybody would be at their house, and we were that family that had Atari, so my mom had to set us up in the garage because it was a family house, right? So everybody would be at their house and we were that family that had Atari. So my mom had to set us up in the garage because it was a family house, right? You know, you have to have a bunch of Kool-Aid and chips because you got like 30 kids there and, you know, waiting to play on this one game you have. You only had combat. You're not as slow as combat was. Couldn't get

too many tapes. The fact that you got the game was good enough it's and so i what i see is with esports it's going to go on forever i mean it's like and and these kids even love the new remaster stuff and they master that as well it's kind of like you know like one of my favorite bands is rush and so a lot of people grew up with rush like i did from being a kid and they love it and then they introduce their kids to it and their kids love it. Even my nephew, I game with him a lot online. It's kind of funny. He'll sing 80s songs. Yes.

One of his favorite songs to sing is Queen's We Are The Champions or something. Sometimes he'll sing Bohemian Rhapsody, I think. There's a couple songs he sings. Oh, he sings Queen's Another One Bites the Dust. And I'll be like,

hey man, do you realize that I was your age when that song came out? But there's no perfect song that you love it in someone's face and another one bites the dust. I mean, it's hard to pick one. He's like singing that and I'm just like... When you're feeling yourself that another one bites the dust. I mean, it's hard to pick one. He's like singing that.

I'm just like, no. You're right, man. When you're feeling yourself that another one bites the dust, following the art of champions, you just can't do nothing about that right there. And so I see e-gaming having that longevity where it's got the generational sort of thing, and it gentrifies as things go around and it just cycles. Even I like old games. One of my favorite old games back in the day was Red Alert

and there was a certain version of Red Alert that I liked. A lot of people like that. They like a certain version of the game. They're kind of like Metallica fans with the, you know, well I like Metallica up until the Black Album and then after the Black Album it went to hell. Black Album, it went to hell.

I love Halo. Led Zeppelin, too. I loved Halo 1 and 2 when Bungie did it, when M3 did it. You know, Microsoft ruined it, and Bungie had it, you know, all that stuff. It's like, I have an old car.

I have a 64 Thunderbird, but I get the car because I like it, not because I'm a mechanic. Every time I pull up, these guys are saying, they start talking all this engine stuff to me. I'm just like, I have no idea what you're talking about. It looks good.

That's where I look in this baby. That's a big car. Anything more we need to know about the EACL? You know what chris i appreciate it you know at the eacl.com man come on sign up you know we want to get as many people in this beta phase so that you can experience what we're talking about right we have to we're trying to reach out to the casual gamer who feels their skills aren't ready right we're saying no no this is a league where you can actually get in and participate

and enjoy yourself. You know, it's not – you don't have to wait six months until you feel like you're at level seven or whatever level you feel you're appropriate. Because if it was so big, then we would find enough people at level one for you to play at. I like this guy in there so that I can beat up on – I mean, play really well with people. Go ahead. I like this guy in there so that I can beat up on, I mean, play really well with people. I mean, my gaming is so bad with my skill level that they kicked me off the

gaming team, put me at the Special Olympics. The Special Olympics folks said, no, man, you're not even up to our part, man. Not even up to our part. Well, you know, the good part is our tournaments are every 30 days. And it's only 11 rounds. You win 11 rounds, you can win $1,000. Wow. Yes. So it's only 11 rounds. It's two brackets

of 16 and a final bracket of 8. Wow. So you never go past that. You're always in a bracket of 16. And then your final round is a bracket of 8. Can I bribe the kids? Can I be like, hey man, I'll get you a Snickers bar if you go your final round it's a bracket of eight can i bribe the kids can i be like hey man i'll get your snickers bar if you just lose this round for me yeah hey you would love the experience like i was talking to some kids the other day and i was

trying to figure i remember when we were starting like it was like saying how much money and like these kids would rather you fly them to a tournament than give them money. Like they're really big on experiences. Right. Yeah. We started, you know, starting to figure out, OK, what else can we do to help them have an experience? You know, so we learned that about this next generation is they're going to enjoy their time here on Earth. I could tell you that many experiences possible they do not get themselves working 60 hours a week for 40 years and retiring these kids are going to go ahead and get their experience on and i love that attitude about it and sponsorships is great for companies

as well i mean we give a lot of stuff away in our clan we give away controllers we give away keyboards like we recently reviewed i think a specialized gaming keyboard from games or uh where it's just kind of like a half of a keyboard but it's designed for gaming gaming mice uh you know and there's so many different platforms now what's really amazing about gaming there's steam there's ubisoft there's the guys from Metro and then of course in the gaming podcast we have so many independent games it's really

become democratized where a lot of people even small guys like 10 or 15 crews can build a really cool game and sell it well on platforms like Steam I mean I'm just blown away at what goes on on Steam it's just crazy and it's cool that like Steam. I mean, I'm just blown away at what goes on on Steam. It's just crazy.

And it's cool that, like you're saying, with all the equipment and the merchandise that these sponsors are making available, because a lot of kids, like, you know, when I was growing up, it was like BMX and motocross, right? Or even skateboarding, right? But you could never get that, like, really expensive skateboard, right?

You know, BMX, you couldn't get the Mongoose with the mag wheels and all that on there, you know. It took me four years to save up for that. Right, then they came out with alloyed rims that are lighter. You can jump on a roof with them. Like you could do a bunny hop and end up on a roof with the alloyed rims, right?

So, you know, now with these sponsors and today's communication, like these kids have access to getting some high powered equipment to just play on. And that's really cool that they've made it accessible for everybody to be able to make sure that you get the most experience out of the game. And so, like you're saying, I really do dig those sponsors and all that they're doing to, you know, get it introduced

and make it where it's available to people. And I think with the sponsors behind it. I mean, the money's there. I saw Kingston paying out up to $50,000 for gaming. This was years ago. It might pay out more, but the purses they would pay out, which is crazy. And the stuff they can

do with podcasting, Twitch, Twitch, you know, they can get paid from their things. There's a lot of people making money on YouTube. Sponsorships, it's just it's just crazy and the money's there and so when parents look at this thing there's there there is a lot of opportunities and you're right the skill level it's more about the skill level so like you know clearly i wasn't ever going to make it as a basketball person because i'm like I'm not a great basketball player. Although it kind of was

when I was a kid. I was pretty good because I was nice, thin, and young, and I was tall. But I'm just not built as an athlete. That's just it. I'm probably built for video games. And then football. I tried football a couple times. It got

hit and went, no, this is not what, you know, no. This is not what it's at right now. They're like, okay, so you get up to the line and then, you know, the guy snaps the ball and everybody hits the crap out of each other. I'm like, no, I don't know.

I'm going to run the other way. I'm not going to run that way. I'm running this way. I want to go hang with the cheerleaders. When you're in college, though, like all the fraternity inaugural football games and basketball games, they're super competitive. I mean, those guys, they would all get like one athlete for whatever, you know, if it's basketball season, they get one athlete on the team.

They'd all recruit, right? But it was so important. It was probably the funnest, most uncoordinated bunch of sports you'd ever played. But like I said, look, the flag, the softball, the basketball, I don't care if it was Frisbee, it was super fun to play it all the time. I mean, because even us that played organized sports on college campus, we still love the inaugural events. Like, you know, we joined the basketball team if we were football players, you know, the softball team, and so on. So, I mean, it does – that's what I mean by that skill level.

Like, even though if it's not your sport, if you get a bunch of people who all are around the same skill level, the competitiveness is there and it's fun. Awesome sauce. All right, guys, so be sure to check it out. Go to TheEACL be sure to check it out go to the e-a-c-l.com check it out we certainly appreciate michael spending some time with us today i signed up on a christmas one and i'll suggest this to our uh big discord clan and all that sort of good stuff

uh discord is just i've been really amazed at the community you can build on a discord uh it's just really cool and course, it's multifunctional and it's got the voiceover IP and stuff. It's just crazy. Just all these dynamic things that people can have in the world of gaming and just blows my mind. And of course, it builds community

and community is such just wonderful thing in bringing people together and making the world a much better, nicer place. I think it's better that we play online and we shoot each other and battle each other online and then after that we can go, we're still friends. I beat you at Fortnite. Instead of shooting each other with real guns.

Right, exactly. It wouldn't be cool to go to war like that just through video games. Yeah, we don't need wars anymore. We're just going to Fortnite. We got a set. You're set to go get to our set. We're just going. Best video game guy gets our best. We got a set. So, you know, you're set to go get to our set. Whoever wins, wins.

Yeah. Don't be mad and come flying over here for real now. Once we beat you, don't come flying over here for real or pushing no buttons. There you go. There you go. All right. Well, we certainly appreciate our audience for tuning in. Be sure to go to TheEACL.com.

Be sure to check it out. Sign up. Suggest to your kids and bring your friends into it and all that good stuff. They got all theacl.com. Be sure to check it out. Sign up. Suggest to your kids and bring your friends into it and all that good stuff. They got all the cool games. They're looking at a whole bunch of games. They even have Mario Brothers, Super Smash Brothers.

How about them apples? And you can go be competitive, take your teams in, build your clans, all that sort of good stuff. Have fun and maybe make some good money and worst case scenario, you get some great,

you learn a lot, get some good teamwork and create some good competition and you get some great. You learn a lot, get some good teamwork, and create some good competition. And you have fun. I mean, you're playing video games. If you're not having fun, you're doing it wrong. Absolutely. Definitely. All right, guys.

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