The Chris Voss Show - The Chris Voss Show Podcast – Estrogeneration: How Estrogenics Are Making You Fat, Sick, and Infertile by Anthony G Jay

Episode Date: February 10, 2022

Estrogeneration: How Estrogenics Are Making You Fat, Sick, and Infertile by Anthony G Jay The devastating truth about a class of chemicals called "estrogenics" and how your daily exposures can cause weight-gains, depression, infertility and many other exploding health problems. In this book, Dr. Anthony G. Jay offers a clear and honest look at: THE Top 10 List of Everyday Estrogenics Cutting-Edge Weight-Loss Strategies New Muscle-Mass Building Discoveries How Estrogenics "Feminize" Males How Estrogenics Harm Children 3 Detailed Estrogenic Avoidance Plans Specific Food/Water Estrogenic Numbers Simple Clear Language and Definitions The US and EU Legal Status of Estrogenics A Direct Exposé on Scientific Bias Brand New Epigenetics Discoveries Amazing Fishing "Tail" Chapter Openers An Actionable Summary Appendix And much, much MORE...

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in january 26 my birthday in 2017 and i saw him on a couple other shows and was really interested in what he's doing. The book is called Estrogeneration, How Estrogenics Are Making You Fat, Sick, and Infertile. Dr. Anthony G.J. is on the show with us today. He's going to be talking about it. And I just wanted to get him on the show for this book so I can blame estrogen or estrogenation on or estrogenics, I guess, on all my fatness and not all the food that I ate, which I did eat, which is the reason I'm fat. But he is on the show today going, what the hell did I get myself into? He is the president and CEO of AJ Consulting Company.

He earned, he's a real doctor, by the way. I want to make that clear in the world of all sorts of conspiracy stuff and everything else. Dr. J earned a BA with a double major in biology and theology from Ave of Marie University in Naples, Florida, where he researched HIV human, well, we all know what that HIV is, inhibitors. After college, he continued to work with the virus and, or with virus, lent virus, I guess that is, in the context of Alzheimer's disease for the U.S. Department of VA, the Veterans Affairs. Next, he earned his PhD in biochemistry from Boston University School of Medicine, researching

fats, hormones, and cholesterol. He could have just come to my house and done work on me. I've got enough of that stuff going on. He has worked for three years as a scientific researcher at Mayo Clinic. We all know where that is, in Rochester, Minnesota, researching stem cells, epigenetics, and infrared light. Clearly, I didn't go to enough college. Welcome to the show, Dr. J. How are you?

Yeah, good, Chris. Thanks for having me. I'm trying to make up for that non-funny part at the beginning, but we'll see how it goes. My Yannis, they love it. Sometimes when you bomb, it makes people laugh. So welcome to the show. Give us your plugs so people can find you on the interwebs. Yeah, I mean, I have a really clunky website name. It's called ajconsultingcompany.com.

And I had to actually create it way back on my bio you were reading. It mentions designing viruses. I was actually a virus designer, which sounds terrible these days, right? But I actually made viruses. And the intent was to cure Alzheimer's. We were injecting viruses into mice and things, and mice that had Alzheimer's and trying to cure the Alzheimer's from them. So we were manipulating the DNA and creating virus.

But obviously now there's been some issues with manipulated viruses. There's been some issues with that Wuhan lab. That's a rumor, guys. Don't go off the deep end with that one. Anyway, guys, so I got a chance to see you, Dr. J, on the show. There were a few different shows that I watched on YouTube. And I was really interested because at 54, I started going to the gym about, I think, six months now. I started going to the gym and working out. And I've never gone to the gym for a week of my life.

And you can tell. I mean, look at me. I'm about half the size I used to be. And I've never gone to the gym for a week of my life. Like, and you can tell. I mean, look at me. I'm about half the size I used to be. And so what I started being concerned about was my sort of end-life run that I'm on. The last quarter, last, I don't know, third, whatever you want to call it, where I'm in the game at 54. And I started thinking about my testosterone. Do I need testosterone supplementation? When I work out, my muscles, I don't retain as much.

It's harder to build muscle being as the old grandpa that I am. And so I've really been kind of, I started taking lots of supplements that are supposed to be health supplements for your testosterone. I'm like, God, do I want to get the shots and all that stuff? And then I saw your show, and I was really interested because I'm like, oh wow there's there's there's more to this estrogen thing than i know about so uh talk to me about what motivated you want to write this book and let's get into details yeah right on so i mean i've got kids and of course i'm interested in my own testosterone and i basically was studying at like at boston university med school i was studying hormones And it was pretty clear

that BPA altered your hormones, like bisphenol A, the plastic ingredient. And a lot of people were talking, like a few people were talking about it in the scientific community at the time. Not a lot of public knowledge there, but a lot of people were talking about it. A lot of the nerds were talking about it. And then as I i started researching that because that's a problem right i don't want to be ingesting a bunch of chemicals that are acting like estrogen i started researching that and it kind of snowballed into a book because i realized well there's not just bpa there's other chemicals that act like estrogen in our bodies and we're being exposed to them literally every day and scientists oftentimes

are undermining these things they're saying oh they're not really toxic so they're okay and then but there's a reason they've removed some of these things from some of our different products like bpa and then and i think i saw on another show you were talking about how some states and some countries ban some of these things because they know how bad they are. Oh, yeah. In my book, I do a compare and contrast between Europe and the United States, and it's astonishing how many of these things are illegal in Europe, legal in the U.S., illegal in Europe, legal in the U.S., just on and on with the different chemicals. Yeah, I mean, over here in America, they just go,

can we make money off of poisoning people? Sure, do that. I mean, a couple years ago, they legalized putting lead in the water again or something like that. So give us an overall reaching, sort of overall aspect of the book, if you would, please. Yeah, so the book is in three parts. The idea is what are artificial estrogens? What are these chemicals? Let's identify them. What do they do to your health?

And then number three, how do we avoid these things? I mean, it's that simple. It's just basically identifying the chemicals. And then, like I say, I'm looking at the ones that we're exposed to every day. I mean, Agent Orange, for example, disrupts your hormones. But we're not exposed to Agent Orange every day, thank goodness. Yeah. And so I'm not really interested in writing about it in my book.

It's kind of an academic exercise, hopefully, because I don't want – hopefully there's nobody exposed to Agent Orange daily. I'm having a cup of it right now. Every morning, Agent Orange, you can order this from the Chris Walsh show, coffee merch site. I got to tell you, it does mess with your hormones, but it will wake you up in the morning. Smells like victory. See how I tied that one together? Anyway, right now, right now, Gen Z's going, what the hell is he talking about? We never saw apocalypse now. So what is this and why is it bad?

I heard you talk about different things about women reaching, having their going into puberty earlier. There's this overload of estrogenics in our, in, in everything really. Yeah. Well, and for men, it disrupts your testosterone. Actually women too,, it lowers testosterone. That alone should make headlines, and it should be talked about, and it should be, you know, considered and recognized as a huge problem because it is. Just since the 1980s, our testosterone has just declined and declined and declined. And it was already a little bit low to begin with compared to the paleo ancestors that we have, and we have records from those people and their testosterone. So just testosterone alone is a big one, but it also causes infertility, and there's a ton of people struggling. Wow. I know that's a big thing for women too. They want to have a baby, they

can't. Yeah, it's just breaking new records every year. Really? Infertility. I've heard this for a long time that the men have lower testosterone, and I think we kind of see it in the recent the recent generations i mean we've had different people who've talked over what's going on with men i mean we have the lowest amount of men dating and marrying now there's a few different reasons for that well but but also the largest group of incels and virgins and i mean some of the people in the gen z community i just look at them i'm like why are you not chasing girls like i was chasing i mean as soon as i was like i I don't know, about 11 or something, I was like, there's something about these women thing that I'm kind of, I don't know why, but they seem interesting. And I want to know more, but I just don't get it. And I think, like you

mentioned, wasn't it like a hundred years ago or something we we almost have like half or a third or something of the amount of testosterone that that they have exactly oh yeah i mean compared to our paleo like the numbers the average or the normal range in american blood tests for testosterone generally total testosterone is like 250 to 1000 or something like that depends on the blood test company but sometimes they say it's 250 to 1,000 or something like that. It depends on the blood test company, but sometimes they say it's 250 to 1,500. But what's crazy about that is just like in the 1980s, it was 500 to 1,500. Holy crap.

Well, and the average male was 500 in the 1980s. In the 90s, the average male was 400, so dropped 100 points. And then in the 2000s, the average male was 300. It's the Massachusetts Institute Aging or the Massachusetts Aging Study. So it's been just dropping. And of course, at some point, it's just kind of plateaued around 250, 300. But I think it's literally an emergency if your testosterone is below 500. You've got to get it up if you want to be optimized. that's my goal for people optimization not just like i don't want you having just zero energy just dragging through life zero muscle mass zero sex

drive really slow healing if you get injured you know what i mean like yeah i started noticing in my 50s i started noticing everything going down i mean it was kind of nice to have the sex drive lay off a little bit you don't have that teenage thing where you're like yeah, it was kind of nice to have the sex drive lay off a little bit. You don't have that teenage thing where you're like, yeah, but that was kind of nice. Yeah. But it's back. I mean, yeah. Yeah. Testosterone is, I mean, it's a massive influencer on your body and, and the other aspect of aging, like you're mentioning, it doesn't just go down with age a little bit, but more importantly, your sensitivity to it goes down with age. So you actually need higher levels as you age, not lower levels. And most of our culture has the opposite. And I, I, I, I talked to a bunch of my friends. I had friends that they have to inject it or do all the different, whatever the

supplements. And I started researching. It's like, when you start it, you can't get off it. You're done. And that's what they say. It's a myth actually. Oh really? Oh yeah, for sure. They say that because bodybuilders, right?

Bodybuilders use it. They abuse it. They go way, way, way above the normal limits. And then when they get off, in fact, their body will never produce it again.

They have to keep taking it at some level. But if you're a normal person and you jump on it, like here's the problem, right? And by the way, I personally have a prescription for it because if I get injured, I boost my levels up nice and high and I heal super fast. Oh, yeah, and I'm young, right? But I've taken it for an entire year just as an experiment,

literally a full year a couple of years ago. And I got off it, no problem. I mean, it took me about two weeks. I adapted to getting off of it. My levels are right back where they were. Here's the problem. When people take it, let's say your levels are two 50, right? Which is again, super common. I mean, 19 year olds are coming in that, that level. It's terrible. That's really shitty sex drive. That's really poor energy, all kinds of problems, right? Often brain problems too, like brain fog or even just apathy, sexual apathy, right? You're not interested in women like you're talking about. So let's say you're at 250 and you get some cream and you

start rubbing on the testosterone cream and you get your levels up to 800, right? Which is kind of where I'm at naturally, 700, 800 800 and then let's say you get off of that cream a year later you're gonna feel like garbage and you're gonna have no sex drive and you're gonna have no energy but guess what your level is 250 it just goes back to kind of where it was yeah unless you've done something different in terms of getting rid of these fake estrogen chemicals and whatnot so yeah you feel like garbage and you feel like you're addicted to it, but you're not really. Yeah.

How much testosterone do you need to take so I can get me a unibrow? Because that's really what I want, the Crohn-Bagnum thing going on there. With the forehead. Let's try rubbing it right up here. Yeah, I want that elevated forehead that gives me that whole. Yeah, there's a real Neanderthal. Remember that basketball player? He tried to patent that or trademark it or something.

Is there a way to grow that? No, he has this crazy unibrow, and I can't remember, but he applied for a trademark for it. Let's go to the Middle East. I mean, it sucks when I see girls have it because, I mean, girls are so beautiful. And I'm like, yeah, you really need to. I think there was a famous movie with a beautiful Mexican actress,

and she had the unibrow thing going on. I forget what it was. But yeah, any time I see that, my maleness goes, run away. But if I want to see that, I go on a grinder. So let's talk about some of these chemicals are in the thing. Because I went through, you have a list on your site, and of course you give, I i think coaching and consulting to people you have a list on your site about different products that you use and what's in these products like what's screwing us up in some of our soaps and

shampoos and crap yeah it's mostly the parabens and the phthalates in the personal it's always those parabens damn it yeah right well and the personal. It's always those parabens. Damn it. Yeah. Right. Well, and the sad thing about both of those is their categories of chemicals. So those aren't just one chemical pair. There's like methyl paraben and propyl paraben,

butyl, butyl, excuse me, butyl paraben. There's like an entire category of these goofy words and that nobody can pronounce. And so nobody talks about them, but they're real. I mean, they a real problem because they act like estrogen.

And not only that, so basically people are rubbing estrogen on their skin with their soap. It loves to go through your skin. It doesn't want to wash out in the water. It wants to stay on your skin. I mean, the fragrance stays on, right? So basically you can rub up against things that get estrogen on you, and you absorb them in your skin. Oh, yeah. Note to self, quit spooning with the girlfriend.

All the perfume. Oh, that's true. There's perfume in makeup too as well. But yeah, honey, I don't want you to get your estrogen on me. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. All right. I just got a text. She's leaving me. That's okay. She's going to leave next week anyway. She got a new guy on Instagram. So a lot of these stuff, a lot of the stuff that's in our things, and I've had problems where I'm not asthmatic. I don't have, like, allergy sort of problems.

But I've had problems with, like, dryer sheets and stuff and different, like, really high perfumed detergents and stuff like that they'll screw with me in my lungs like i can just kind of feel it like if i go down the detergent aisle i start feeling really weird man like what the hell it's like an over it's like i don't know it's like the worst thing ever and so i've always had to be careful like i can't use dryer sheets that that it's like i don't know i can just smell it and it seems like overwhelming and i even know until recently that it puts like a wax on your stuff that's what makes it softer it just puts a nasty wax on all your stuff and you're just

you're just wearing wax all day long which is gross yeah they've even i mean it's funny to say that because it sounds over the top, right? But scientists have literally done studies. They call them dermal uptake studies, which means skin uptake, meaning like how much your skin is absorbing just from laundry detergent. And they find like these laundry detergents, all these fragrances, they spike your blood levels. Like your blood levels of these chemicals go up. Again, these are estrogen chemicals.

It's even worse when you drink it, but don't do that. That's a joke. No, people drink it, right? Do you drink detergent? Well, in the form of water. They're not filtering their drinking water. A lot of these chemicals don't get filtered out. People assume their drinking water is good. They open up the tap. They put it

right in their cup. Think about all the plastic pipes that stuff has gone through and how much fragrance chemicals and all that has not gotten filtered out. A lot of these chemicals are so small they don't get filtered out. They're in there. I think one thing I heard you talk about the show and I'm

going to paraphrase it as best I can remember it so correct me if I'm wrong. We have a lot of stuff being dumped in our water between us peeing in it and then a lot of the antidepressants, I think, are coming through. Even the fish now are getting their own versions of antidepressants in the oceans. Well, they need it. I mean, some are depressed.

I mean, you'd be depressed, too, if you had to swim around in basically your own toilet bowl. But that's their problem. Never mind. There's not a joke there. So talk to us about the water and stuff i i've always had my water ever since i lived in las vegas i've always bought or had a machine that will do reverse osmosis at one point i had a really high end machine that we reviewed on the show that does like i think it had like 12 different filters in it i had for a few

years until it finally conked out um what what in our water? What's going on with that? Yeah, well, birth control, for one. A lot of people don't realize they're literally drinking birth control. Now, what flavor is that? Can I get that in cherry or sugar? It's funny. You know that new car smell? Yeah.

That's actually estrogen, too. That's plastic, but the chemical is called phthalates and those they're actually a little bit attractive to us right like we like that new car smell because it it tricks our body we think that's estrogen is that is that why we sometimes like some of this stuff maybe that's why women really like all that smelly stuff because they're like more of me yeah oh yeah yeah i think it's i mean it's it's attractive and so they're trying to put out signals of attraction but maybe that's why men are attracted to estrogen smelling perfume because you know so i mean what do we need to do with our water to to get some of this crap out

because i haven't gotten pregnant yet but that water probably explains why. Yeah, well, you're on birth control and plastic chemicals. And a vasectomy, so there's that. And you're a man. Oh, wait, what? A misinformation. The feminists told me we're all equal, damn it. Women and men work the same. Yeah, we are.

We're getting there with these chemicals. Actually, scientists call it male feminization. I mean, it's literally termed male feminization. If you expose animals to enough of these chemicals, you can turn a male frog into a female or a male animal into a female and all this kind of thing.

That explains all my married friends. Anyway, I'm just kidding on the married friends. But no, there's a lot of guys that act like girls. There's lots of crying going on. A lot of them addicted. I would doubt this victim mentality. And then, like I said, I don't even understand this generation that doesn't chase girls and, you know, want to date them and stuff. They're just like, I'm just going to stand over here and be angry.

So what's the best way to clean your water? Am I doing good with reverse osmosis and all that filtration system that i usually buy at the store yeah yeah anything with activated charcoal so if you've got an activated charcoal filter also called carbon filter or something like that that pulls out all the fake estrogens and reverse osmosis kicks it up a notch and takes everything out and that's what i use too i have a remineralizer on the end of that too. So it puts minerals back into it. You don't need that, but you know, it's all, that's phenomenal. So yes, that works. Even like a regular Brita filter works. Although I don't like it when

people filter out the plastic and then they put it back in plastic, right? Yeah. Let's talk about that a little bit. Yeah. Plastics are notorious. The problem is even if it's BPA free, it's still full of estrogens. It's still full of these estrogen chemicals because companies aren't particularly honest. What they do is they say, oh, it's BPA free. And then they put BPS, which is just as estrogenic. It acts like estrogen just as much in your body. Or they put BPF or they put BPAF. There's literally all these different BP versions that you can put in, and they're all just as bad. So what do we need to do? Do we need to move from plastic and go to glass and water and stuff like that?

Oh, yeah. With liquids, yes, yeah. Wow. See, that's one of my problems. I go buy all my – since we lost the machine, the machine was great because from end to end, and like you said, it had the 12 different filters. I think it was three UVs, and then it had the minerals out, minerals in after the reverse osmosis. It had a bunch of different things in it.

Unfortunately, the company went out of business. But it was great because it was a stainless steel or whatever sort of steel they use for water where it doesn't rust. And from beginning to end, the point I would put my cup in, it wouldn't be touching any plastic. Well, I guess there was plastic lines in it, come to think of it, but plastic water lines. But yeah, this is kind of interesting. I mean, the amount compared to filtering.

I actually found a company, it's called Purified Guru. And I list that one on my website, that AJ Consulting Company website I was telling you about. That's reverse osmosis. It's all stainless steel and they don't even have a plastic tank under your sink. It's literally just a pump, and it has a stainless steel hose that attaches to your faucet. So it's literally 100% plastic-free in terms of where the water is in contact,

which is the only unit that I know of that's reverse osmosis that's like that. I actually reached out to them to see if they'll send us a review unit for the Chris Voss show. We reviewed a lot of products over there. And so I reached out to them. I haven't heard back from them, but we'll follow up with them. I was kind of interested in maybe buying their machines because I used to really love the water. They come out was like really nice. But when I lived in Vegas, the story was kind of interesting but when i lived in this story that's kind of interesting when i lived in vegas i had a friend who was who's a wife of a cop and i was talking to her one time and she goes she goes yeah my husband he won't drink the tap water in vegas

why not she goes he's a cop they go see what they're pulling out of Lake straws for the water supply for Vegas, go into Lake Mead. And he, he's like, he's like, they pull bodies out. And ever since Lake Mead started dropping, they're like finding people that got sunk with the cement,

cement stuff from the mob. And he's like, he's like, after he seen what's in Lake Mead, he won't, he won't drink the water. And I'm like, that's probably a good reason for me not to drink the water either.

But yeah, a lot of people don't realize all this crap is going around. I did take your list of stuff. I started using the bar soap from Kirk's. And I believe the shampoo, the Jason shampoo. And one thing I did run into is the laundry detergent. Oh, I'm using the laundry detergent. That seems to be working fine.

I need to go by the deodorant. I only bathe once a week, so I don't have to worry too much about it. I did try the seventh generation for the dishwasher, and boy, that stuff isn't working on my dishwasher well. It all backed up, left the thing. I couldn't get the dishes clean after about two or three things of that, the grease. I don't wash my dishes. I'm really bad that way. You don't wash my dishes i'm really bad that way you don't rinse them pre-rinse them no i don't pre-rinse it very well so that might be my

bad i mean that's the dishwasher's problem i don't care as much about the dishwasher okay detergent as guys i would like the soap you're rubbing directly on your skin you know yeah because that gets absorbed and i guess what people don't realize is your skin's your largest membrane or organ, isn't it? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Unless you're morbidly obese, and then your fat cells are your largest organ, because fat cells are technically classified as an organ. I have both.

You might have some competition there for some people, but that's all right. I mean, again, your skin, you don't want to be rubbing stuff on your skin that you're not willing to eat. So can you eat any of this stuff? Well, you wouldn't want to, but yeah. I mean, soap. When I was growing up, my mom made me eat plenty of soap. Yeah, right. Make sure it's really good quality.

Well, I mean, that's what you do. You always make sure that dove's out there when you start swearing around mom. You can't have that zest soap. That does not go down well. I actually have a review site where we taste zest a lot of soaps from my childhood. But, yeah, a lot of people don't realize, like you say, that you can get testosterone cream. You rub it onto your skin and it absorbs in your skin. I'm taking from a private doctor that we had on the show who's a pharmacist. And he's really

big into glutathione. And taking glutathione, it's a big thing, I guess, thing for getting rid of toxins. And Tony Robbins is one of his clients. And he works a lot of pharmacists to, I guess, a lot of rich people. Yeah, it's expensive stuff. Yeah, and so he sent us a glutathione sample that he uses, and I have to rub it on my skin. But, yeah, people don't realize if you're rubbing these harmful chemicals on your skin, yeah, it's going to end up in your blood and your system, right? Oh, yeah. In fact, sunscreen, too.

Like a lot of people overlook sunscreen. And I talk about it a lot in my book, Estratergeneration, but after I published my book they finally came out with a study on this chemical that's commonly found in sunscreen it's called oxybenzone yeah and it's i mean you go to walmart and it's like hard to find a sunscreen that doesn't have oxybenzone even today yeah and the study showed that with one application of sunscreen and they had like a dozen people or whatever, one application of sunscreen, seven days later, people's blood levels of oxybenzone were still above the government's own safety limits. Holy crap.

And then now they're panicking over that, right, and saying, well, we didn't – they've never done that simple study. So it's been legal for like 40 years, and it's been all the the sunscreens and they're telling dermatologists and stuff are recommending it professionally and then they find obviously it's terrible because it's acting like estrogen and has other problems too but these are problematic doses they've never done the simple dose study where you just rub the sunscreen on and measure people's blood it's's absurd. And then you recommend, I guess you're a new father somewhat, you recommend a lot of baby stuff. And there's a lot of stuff that's in this baby lotion. Like we recently found out

they're putting, what was it, in the baby powder? It's a big lawsuit. Oh, yeah. Yeah, talcum powder. Yeah, talcum powder. They're just like, yeah, throw some abestus in there. It's prettier with abestas. It gives that shiny color you used to get on your popcorn ceiling.

Yeah. Well, yeah, kids, you got to really protect because they're so hormone sensitive and developing. And yeah, I mean, it's a struggle, right, to be healthy yourself. And then you expand that to your kids. It's even harder. But you have to be very intentional these days. Because, again, like even what's hilarious hilarious and i talk about this in my book too china has stricter regulations on their parabens than we have in america what china yeah so

obviously we have too much money funding these politicians behind the scenes that are influencing the laws on these chemicals, at least presumably. So you basically have to take matters into your own hands. Like people have to independently think for themselves on these chemicals and say, look, I don't want these in my life. I've got to get these products that don't have the chemicals in them. Yeah, baby diaper rash or healing balm for diaper rashes, baby lotion. And then the thing that you got me thinking about that I never thought about is,

yeah, when I wash my clothes, there's probably – I've never used dryer sheets, and I don't know, up until recently, I wasn't using the nice detergent you recommend. But I never thought about it. Whatever that's washing in and the chemicals or detergent, there's still going to be some residuals even on them after the rinse. And then I'm going to go wear those for the week that I don't take a shower. And those are going to go into my skin. And I never thought about it.

I'm like, holy crap, you're like wearing your bottle of Tide, basically. Oh, yeah. Which I don't know. That could be a new fad on tiktok well like i go to my in-laws and they of course use the regular laundry detergents that with all the fragrances and the whole thing and i've got kids and like you said and we we gotta do your laundry once in a while if you stay there for a few days when we come home it literally takes like three different wash cycles to get all that fragrance out of our clothing because i use fragrance free so i really

notice it and it takes a while it's not like even after you do a laundry cycle with fragrance free it still smells like those chemicals it's hard to get that stuff out of there it's so embedded you know that happened to me when i stayed at a friend of mine who had two twin babies i stayed at his house for a week with him and his wife and and i i put a load in their in their uh washing machine and i think my clothes smell like diapers basically for like, I don't know, five loads. I cannot get rid of that smell. And, yeah, after that, I cut off my penis and said, I'm never having kids. I'm not doing that.

I'm going to go full eunuch. So you have a link on your website people can go to on what I use on AJConsultingCompany.com. I advise people to go look at it. But just about anything, perfume, cologne, underarm deodorant, toothpaste. This stuff is insidious. Like even in blankets, there's phthalates in our blankets. Oh, yeah. Yeah, pillowcases.

Yeah, I travel with cotton pillowcases because if your pillowcase is made out of polyester, polyester is technically plastic. Most people don't think about that. Really? Oh, yeah. And it's polyethylene terephthalate. I mean, that's the name of polyester. Polyester is just a shortened way of saying polyethylene terephthalate.

And I've already mentioned phthalates. It's just an estrogenic compound. It's an estrogen chemical. And so if you're breathing it all night, like don't mind if people are wearing some some polyester but if you're literally laying on a polyester pillowcase and breathing it all night there's there's research showing in fact even they've even done studies with baby mattresses like crib mattresses and found that that increases levels to the cancer causing levels in some cases with some crib mattresses that are real plasticky and stuff because people don't want their babies peeing all over the mattress they make them out of

like more plastic and more plastic chemicals so even there you got to be careful there's a lot it's eye-opening once you kind of realize how pervasive these chemicals are and how problematic they are for people's health it's like this giant awakening for a lot of people yeah and like i said i bought a lot of the products. I think I've been using for about a week, week and a half now. And I mean, for me being a guy, of course I sweat, get greasy a lot and stuff like that. And I've always kind of had to kind of have something a little stronger to get me clean because I'm a guy. And hopefully I have a lot of testosterone. I need to get my testosterone checked.

But I've noticed it works just fine for me. My hair feels a little bit cleaner. I don't seem to have that residual sort of, why is my hair kind of still waxy? My hair feels cleaner. I wash my hands with the Kirk soap and everything. Everything comes out feeling clean. I don't feel like there's any residual.

This is kind of interesting. Baby bottles can have some of this stuff in it. So you recommend some baby bottles. Oh, yeah. Yeah. You don't want to use the nipples and stuff. Candles. Plastic liners. Interesting baby bottles can have some of this stuff in it. So you recommend some baby bottles. Oh, yeah, yeah. You don't want the nipples and stuff, yeah. Candles. Plastic liners. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

Soy-based candles. That's the other thing, too, that was interesting. I saw you talk about on the show was soy-based stuff. Yeah. And I went vegan for a while and was doing the vegan thing. Even coffee machines, wow. Let's talk a little bit about that with the soy beans. Well, yeah, coffee machines, obviously you're heating up water and you're putting in plastic, right?

That's genius. Heating up plastic and running water through it. What could go wrong? I mean, what I do is I make cold brew now. I do it at room temperature. So I just grind a pound of coffee, throw it in water room temperature, and then I filter out the grinds the next day and I keep it in the fridge. And I actually like hot coffee, so I just make it in water room temperature and then i filter out the grinds the next day and i keep in the fridge and i actually like hot coffee so i just put i just make it in the microwave every morning just heat it up and it tastes good cold brew is really good and it tastes good cold

too in the summer but but yeah what were you asking about before that uh we're asking about the soy oh yeah soy sorry i got distracted no. A lot of people, they argue with me about soy. And because for some reason, the vegan culture has adopted soy as like the mascot. If you say something bad about soy, you're saying something personally offensive to vegans. Anything personally offensive to vegans. Oh, that's true. It's religion. I'd throw a rock. No, but it's interesting because all scientists agree that soy acts like estrogen

even the vegan scientists like that are defending it and stuff they say of course it acts like estrogen so nobody's in disagreement about that what they disagree with is whether that's a healthy estrogen or whether it's a problematic estrogen and there's a debate on that and that's an okay debate but who wants more estrogen in culture, we've got so much estrogen from the plastics and BPA and the phthalates and all the stuff I was talking about, the sunscreen, the oxytenzones, the parabens. I mean, read my book. If you don't think you're exposed to estrogens, like start paying attention and then you throw soy in there. And the problem with a lot of the studies, think about it. You're studying somebody who's just saturated with these fake estrogens, their body's full of them.

And then you throw soy in the mix and it's like, whether or not you're going to see an impact, whether it's going to raise breast cancer or whatever. Sometimes it does. Sometimes it doesn't. You've already got yourself so saturated with estrogen. It's hard to do that kind of study. In fact, they've studied polar bears in Northern Alaskaaska they had 11 polar bears they put them to sleep and took samples out of their fat cells and all this and they were full of these estrogen chemicals polar bears in northern alaska because it's worked up the food chain it's dumped out into the oceans with our drains and our water and it's worked into the fish and the seals are eating it and then the polar bears are eating the seals and even the polar bears have fake estrogen so of course you do right right? Like we all do.

So you're never going to fully get rid of these things. But you can definitely do a lot to minimize. And I've seen people double their testosterone from like 300 to 600 just in six weeks. Happens all the time. I know I feel 100% better. I've been, there's a couple of days where I take off and sometimes I'll skip leg day

because I'm really, I like my arms and you're not supposed to skip leg day. But man, the testosterone that gets generated during leg day is really important. And if I don't do leg day, the next day I do arm day, I'll crash. Like, I'm like, why can I not hit my peaks and my high points? And sometimes I have to back, I've been known to back up the machine. And so I've noticed there's this pattern about three or four times that I've skipped leg day and gone, ah, screw it. Sometimes I was skipping leg day and then I would just do leg day and then I just leave that space in there. But anytime I've not done leg day, I like crash and I can't, I can't, I can't peek

out like I want. I'm just like almost like struggling. And I need that testosterone. I've been taking a lot of, it kind of what led me down this path is I started looking, okay, well, let's try and get my, let's try and get my testosterone up with supplements before I go do the whole, let's do the doctor thing. And whether it's injections or rubbing cream on me or whatever, that's rubbing cream on me. That's Fridays around here. So I started taking the DIM supplement and I can't pronounce this. Dianylmethane, yeah. Yeah, and that's supposed to help, I guess, lower your estrogen and help compress.

I didn't know that there's a whole fight in your body. I don't know if fight's the right word, but there's a whole thing in your body where it's trying to balance your estrogen and your – because you have natural estrogen, I guess, and testosterone. Is that correct? Oh, yeah. Oh, for sure. The problem with DIMM is sometimes it raises estrogen. If you look at the studies – I know it's hilarious because if you look carefully at the studies, some people respond by taking –

Really? When they take DIMM, their estrogen goes up and their prostate cancer risk goes up. And some people, it's the opposite. So it's a complicated supplement. Great. Great. This explains why i'm growing breasts wait they're muscle building breasts the well i guess i'll i don't know i guess i don't know if i'm winning or losing at this point now plus it comes packaged in a plastic bottle with plastic capsules so i don't know who knows it just occurred to me too that my coffee my k-cups come in plastic too well you can get you can get those mesh ones now those like bio-deregulants those are better yeah or you can you can actually well that's a plastic one too the ones that have the screens

you can buy but yeah and i so i just figured this i'm like hey man it can't hurt it can't hurt to try a bunch of this stuff except for the dishwasher fluid. And like I said, I don't clean. There's probably a lot of people that clean their dishes properly. I'm just like, yeah, there's a bone in there from the steak. Throw that in there too. And I don't know, but it just kind of backed up and built up. I had to throw some vinegar in there. But everything else that I've tried from your product list works well.

I feel clean. Should I notice anything different or is it fairly subtle? There's probably still lots of estrogen in my system. I don't, should I notice anything different or is it fairly subtle? Or, you know, there's probably still lots of estrogen in my system. I don't know. Well, the other thing that helps is a sauna. Do you have access to a sauna at your gym or something? I don't think so. I have two of them.

Oh, yeah? You have two at your house? I have two gyms, sorry. Oh, okay. Gym memberships. Yeah, it seems kind of excessive to have two saunas in your house. Well, I mean, there's still time. leg in each huh well yeah well it's and some people like infrared versus heat saunas or vice versa but they're both really good for clearing estrogen they do these scientific

studies they're called bus studies blood urine and sweat bms and they measure people's urine and they find there's hardly any of these bpas and phthalates and parabens and oxy there's hardly any of these estrogen chemicals in their pee but they have those same people go into a sauna and then they measure their sweat and it's literally full of estrogen chemicals holy crap yeah so you sweat the stuff out so if you have a sauna use it and if you have access to one use it and take a shower right after you use a sauna, use it. And if you have access to one, use it. And take a shower right after you use a sauna because you don't want to just reabsorb because it just reabsorbs. So you can use that. Now, on your website, I saw you guys talk about this, the infrared light and the vitamin D lamp. Will any of that do the same sort of thing? Infrared is beneficial in a lot of different

ways, but not so much. I mean, the infrared sauna is great because it heats your body from the inside out. And anytime you heat anything, it speeds up molecular motion, right? Like heat up water, you start getting steam because the steam is literally just water molecules flying off the top of the surface of the water. And anytime you heat up your fat cells,

they start moving faster and dumping more estrogens into your blood and allows you to piss them out or sweat them out or whatever speeding up like their motion is good so infrared is good uv is also good for people that have tattoos they they've been told and it's correct that if you go in the sunshine all the time with your tattoo it breaks down like it'll fade right so you have to put sunscreen on your tattoo or it'll fade away. The reason for that is tattoos are actually heavy metals. They're like balls of metals

under your skin. Just think of a little tennis ball. When sunshine hits that, it breaks it down to little golf balls. It breaks them down to smaller sized balls. Then those can be cleared out by your system. Your tattoo fades away because those heavy metals are getting cleared out. Sunshine breaks down a lot of toxic crap in your cells and you built up proteins and

things that UV is actually good for you. Now, definitely not good for you if you get burned and you're getting skin cancer and all that. I'm not saying people should go overdo it, but I'm saying like, get out in the sun, get some vitamin D lamps on you. Like UV is another good form of detox. as silly as that sounds. It's actually good for you. And sunscreen being bad for you is kind of an interesting conundrum because a lot of medical professions are telling people the opposite of both of these things. They're saying, don't go out in the sun, use lots of sunscreen, but make up your own mind, right? I mean, do you want more estrogens? And you know what I mean? Like our ancestors were out in the sun all the time, right?

Yeah. I mean, especially in different places where I'm up in Utah, so we have to deal with that. People will ask if they don't get to see the sun much. Yeah, different places around the thing, they live in the sun. One other thing that you have that's part of your service, I guess, or coaching and stuff, you have a thing where people can do, I think it's a 23andMe test or something. Yeah, that's my main focus right now. I do DNA consulting for people. So they do the 23andMe test, they spit in the tube or Ancestry. They're both very good tests actually.

And the health reports that are provided by those companies are really insubstantial, like insignificant. They're not very helpful. They'll tell you you've got blue eyes or something like that. Oh, wow. It's like, well, I already know I have blue eyes. You know what I mean? It's like I'm not learning anything for $100 with that health report.

But it's amazing how much information. Like when you spit in a tube for 23andMe, they give you 650,000 snips of DNA data. Oh, wow. And I have my own software I've created to analyze that because there's a ton of health information in there. So I mine for that health information and I look at your Alzheimer's genes and your heart disease genes and your brain optimization and your gym, like what type of muscle fibers you have, the whole thing, right? Including how does your body

get rid of estrogen? In other words, does your liver handle estrogen really well? Are you really sensitive to gyno and man boobs and estrogenic symptoms? How's your testosterone genes? The whole thing. It's very holistic. I try and look at all kinds of different things. I'm looking for bad genes. I want to find people's worst genes because I want to understand how to fix them at a really specific way.

My expertise is simplifying this really technical information to make it practical for people and say, look, here's the problem. Here's the solution. Here's what we need to do. Instead of just saying, oh, it's genetic, you're screwed, right? Which is kind of what modern medical doctors do. They say, oh, you got these risks, you're screwed. It's just genetic, they'll tell you.

I got some bad genes. They're the ones I don't fit in anymore. Yeah, right. Well, everybody does. And the problem is, again, if the doctor is just saying, oh, it's just genetics, and he's not giving you any actionable steps to do something about that, well, then it's a failure, right? And so that's really an important step for people that want to prevent health issues or they want to optimize their health. I even do consulting for the special forces, right, like the military. Yeah.

And other people that are just interested in optimization. That's my goal. Again, like I said at the beginning, I don't want people walking around with zero energy and just feeling lousy, and the doctors are saying, oh, your blood looks fine. Your blood work looks good. Right. And I'm looking for excellent. I'm looking for optimal.

And that's a big difference because the blood tests are based on normal Americans, like average Americans and look around, right? Like average America is not a healthy America. Yeah. I think they do most of the testing at the line at McDonald's. Yeah.

Walmart. And Walmart. Vitamin D. I mean, you mentioned sunshine and the vitamin D lamp. Let me give you one example. They've done studies on hunter-gathering tribes, and everybody in those tribes is between 70

and 100 on their vitamin D. And the average American is 30. Wow. And if you get a 30 on your blood test, the doctor will tell you that you're fine. And if you get a 30 on your blood test, the doctor will tell you that you're fine. And if you're below 50, there's an increased risk of depression. There's increased risk of gut issues. There's increased risk of brain fog and memory issues and fatigue, just tiredness. And yet they're telling you that you're fine if you're below 50 all the time. This happens all

the time. And so it's just one example of like a really easy thing to optimize because by the way, if your vitamin D is low, that lowers testosterone. Oh, wow. Yeah. I think that's why I take a supplement for vitamin D, but I, I think Rich Cooper was one of the shows you appeared on. He, and I think I heard a few other people after that, he goes out with his morning coffee and sits in the sun and it's better to have it naturally than to take a pill for him i suppose oh yeah well again because it breaks down toxins under your skin breaks down bilirubin so your your gallbladder and your kidneys don't get all clogged up bilirubin and stuff you don't want to get gallstones or kidney stones and stuff like that

right so sunshine has other benefits that nobody talks about everybody talks about vitamin d but nobody talks about bilirubin breakdown. Nobody talks about toxin breakdown. Wow. And it improves your metabolism, ironically. Really? Yeah, something called melanotan. Oh, that's right.

Yeah, melanotan is what makes you tan. It's where we get the word tan. And, of course, if you're out in the sun, your skin makes melanotan, and that literally boosts your metabolism. So you'll be hungrier. You'll burn calories better. Your metabolism boosts when you're out in the sunshine. I'm never coming in from the sun. Unless you're burned. Yeah, unless I'm burned. When I grew up as a kid, that's probably why I was so skinny as a kid. I mean, we went to the beach all the time, living in California and

stuff. This is kind of interesting. I just found this on your website. I guess I didn't page down far enough when I was going through the list of stuff, but there's different, there's different supplements that you recommend. I take a lot of this stuff actually. There's like 20 or 30 things. And then it looks like there's some stuff maybe I haven't delved into. I don't recommend all of those supplements for everybody, obviously. That's so basically what I do is when I do DNA consulting, I look at people's genetics and I say, look, here's the three supplements you absolutely need. Everything else you can tinker with. It's great, whatever. Here's the three you need because you have some genetic weak spots, right? Or whatever. Like if you have some schizophrenia genes, you might need phosphatidyl

choline or phosphatidylserine. But for the most part, I'm not going to recommend that to 99% of people. Yeah, exactly. Lithium can be good for serotonin. I know some people that need lithium. Yeah, very rare though, right? I don't know. Well, there's some sleep genes. Ironically well there's some sleep genes ironically there's some sleep genes they've done clinical trials on lithium it's over-the-counter doses not like crazy high doses that get you nauseous and all this just like five milligram very low dose improves improves people's sleep but again that's a niche group of people everybody's different problem with a lot of these religious zealots with their diets they're saying like oh vegan is for everybody or oh this diet's for everybody or carnivores for everybody but

well everybody's different in terms of those genes so you have to customize it you just have to plus women i've had some guy friends that have gone the vegan route and they played soccer they did some really heavy duty sports and they they couldn't do it. And then their injuries went through the roof. And they really struggled. And, like, one time I took a friend out for lobster. He's like, I'm vegan. I'm vegan. I'm like, we're eating lobster, dude, and I'm buying.

So you should just give that up for today. And he did. I broke his veganism. I converted him like a Mormon. And after that, he switched back to me after i broke his veganism and he yeah he's like chris i was getting all these injuries i couldn't play i didn't have any energy he goes i feel like i'm 100 back now i'm like you're a freaking caveman you're a man you're gladiator you gotta you gotta have this stuff i think women are smaller than us they're

they're kind of more feminine they're not really designed to have upper arm strength like we are. I mean, we're designed that way for genetic reasons and biological reasons maybe is a better word. But, yeah, it's really interesting to me how much of some of this stuff we're missing. And every once in a while, just so you know, every once in a while I recommend somebody goes vegan. Sure. Like it can be a tool in certain situations. But, man, to tell everybody they should be going vegan is absolutely insane. And can be a tool in certain situations, but man, to tell everybody they should be going vegan is absolutely insane.

And there's a lot of politicians that are doing this. And again, it's money. It's just like the plastics being legalized and parabens and all this stuff. At the end of the day, if you dig deep enough, you find money is the root cause of why they're recommending it. And I lose,

I lost 75 pounds going vegan and going intermittent fasting. Yeah, fasting. And I've done it twice now. But, you know, once I kind of bottomed out, I went back to not being vegan. So, yeah, it does have its place. And, yeah, maybe eating more vegetables is good for you. I still take in broccoli and cauliflower. But yeah, I was doing the whole soy thing, making

barbecue ribs out of soy and buying the bricks of whatever. But anything more you want to touch on about your book and some of the things that you do for people? No, I think that's good. I mean, it's an infinite amount of information, your genetics. So that we could talk about

literally all day long, but I don't want to bore people too much i mean by the book yeah by the book i appreciate you you promoting it and i appreciate people that buy it even even though i published it a while ago it's still very relevant it's it's it's still a problem and you still need to have self-knowledge right like the more you know about yourself i say knowledge is power right like if you know something you can take action if you don't know these chemicals are bad well of course you're just going to keep using them the more you're better yeah i mean a couple of my friends on facebook were like what are you doing chris you're changing on you what kind of what are you you're gonna be giving a full q and on next or something? What's going on there, buddy? And you got a new cult you're joining?

What's going on? And I'm like, look at it this way, man. I mean, I use soaps and shampoos and underarm deodorant and detergent and stuff to clean my stuff. As long as I'm not walking around smelling like, I don't know, Bill What's-His-Face from Caddyshack. Sasquatch. I got the whole Sasquatch thing going. As long as I'm not smelling like that, chicks are like, ew, I already got enough of that problem going on with my looks.

And maybe I can put some of this on my Tinder profile and I'll get more babes or something. But, no, as long as I'm still getting clean and I don't stink and I actually, honestly, I actually feel better. I feel like there's less residual. My hair feels softer and cleaner and kind of like more natural because I've always hated those shampoos that like, Oh, we make it so that you feel your hair feels more silky.

And that's really just like a wax or some crap. Oh, it's usually sunscreen. It's funny because they'll advertise it. Yeah. They'll say like, like a lot of these companies that put pictures of hair molecules and then they'll show like with, with the sunscreen or with the, with their shampoo or without, and it's all like frayed up.

But that's the sunscreen molecules they're putting in there, which again are just as estrogenic as could be. Yeah, there's some that I bought, some shampoos that I bought. I'm like, what the hell is in my hair? It feels like I haven't shampooed for like a week, and it's all rusty. And I'm getting that from the shampoo. So this has been a great discussion. We certainly appreciate you having us on the, having you on the show,

having both of us on the show, I guess we appreciate it. I don't know what the hell I'm talking about. Give us the plug. So if you're going to find you on the interwebs, reach out to you more and maybe get involved with your testing that you do and whatever sort of consulting they want. Yeah.

Like I say, the website's clunky. It came about because I was doing this government contract and I just had to come up with something quick. But it's asiaconsultingcompany.com. That's where it's all at. I mean, the DNA Consulting. And Astro Generation is the name of the book, the name of this podcast.

So pretty straightforward there. There you go. And check out what I use list that's on there. You can find it's one of the tabs. Like I said, I went and bought a bunch of stuff that I use on a daily basis. I'm probably going to look at some more, like blankets and stuff like that, pillowcases, the toothbrush, I think stuff I got to order. But, yeah, I mean, what can it hurt? Like, it can't hurt you.

I mean, in fact, if anything, just having less of these chemicals in your system, I mean, the less of this crap you need for all the stuff they put in our food and everything else, the better off you can be. I think you mentioned, this is probably a late thing to throw in, but I think milk was a big estrogen thing for you. What about raw milk? I had a question about that. Yeah, raw milk can be good. It depends on the person and the genetics, right?

Oh, really? Oh, yeah. Like I had a client earlier today. He's very dairy sensitive. I had multiple clients. I had a guy from Berlin I talked to earlier this morning. He was great with dairy. But am I going to get a lot of estrogen from raw milk?

No, not usually. No. Wow. I just tried some the other day because you got me thinking about this stuff. And there was a food truck that they have a farm and they make raw milk. And I bought some. And it was really good. But I'm like, I don't want more estrogen for milk.

Well, some of these giant factories, they get the cow pregnant and then they continue milking the cow. And so there's a lot of cow, because when a cow is pregnant, their estrogen goes sky high and then that ends up in the milk and they just mix it in with all the other milk. But that's mass production farming. That's not like raw milk, that's mass production farming that's not like raw milk small farms and stuff like that as much i think these guys are a small farm here locally here in utah exactly so i'll check out more of that raw milk stuff well it's wonderful

to have you on the show go over the book guys you can take and get it let me pull it up because i have a few different underarm deodorants here from a site up. The book is called Estrogeneration, How Estrogenics Are Making You Fat, Sick, and Infertile. Maybe Cry More, too, by Dr. Anthony C.J. Cry less, people, especially you men these days. So guys, be sure to check that out. You can go see the video version of this on youtube.com, 4Chest Chris Voss. Hit the bell notification button. Go to goodreads.com, 4Chest Chris Voss. You can see my books and everything we're reading and reviewing over there, as well as I'm sure Dr. J's book. You can go to all of our groups, Facebook, LinkedIn, Twitter, Instagram, all those different places Chris Voss shows at.

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