The Chris Voss Show - The Chris Voss Show Podcast – Every Last Secret by A. R. Torre

Episode Date: December 2, 2020

Every Last Secret by A. R. Torre Welcome to the neighborhood. Watch your husband, watch your friends, and watch your back. Cat Winthorpe has worked hard to get what she has: a gorgeous home; social standing; and William, her successful, handsome husband. Then a friendly new couple moves into the estate next door. While cautious, a good neighbor like Cat greets them with open arms and warm hospitality. Neena Ryder isn’t a fellow lady of leisure. A life coach with off-the-rack dresses, personal issues, and a husband who hasn’t delivered, she’s anxious to move up in the world. This beautiful new town is a step in the right direction. It’s also making Neena aware of what she doesn’t have. Namely, William. When Neena’s infatuation escalates into obsession, it’s just a matter of eliminating a few obstacles to get the life she wants. The life next door. As Neena’s secret fixation grows, so does her friendship with Cat. But beneath their cordial interactions is a wealth of temptations, secrets, and toxic jealousy. For both women, the desire for a perfect life can turn perfectly dangerous. About A. R. Torre A.R. Torre is a pseudonym for New York Times Bestselling Author Alessandra Torre. You can view Alessandra's list of books through her Amazon Author page or by visiting AlessandraTorre.com.

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last secret i'll hold it up for those of you watching on the YouTube channels on the video things. Her name is Alessandra Torrey. She's an award-winning New York Times bestselling author of more than 20, count them, count them all, 20 novels. She's been featured in such publications as Elle and L.U.K, as well as guest blog for the Huffington Post and RT book reviews. She is also the bedroom blogger for cosmopolitan.com. Welcome to the show, Alessandra. How are you? I'm fantastic. Couldn't be better. Thank you for having me. Awesome sauce. So you've written a ton of novels and uh we should i should probably clarify because i introduced you as your name that you use in your romance novels

but in this this this rendition it's a little different the a.r tori so uh give us your plugs so people can find you on the webs and maybe explain what's going on with your namesake here i guess maybe i don't know. Absolutely. Absolutely. So online, you can find me as Alessandra. And I'm pretty much everywhere you could be. I'm really active on Goodreads, and binge books. And, and Instagram is my favorite social media platform of the hour. But this book is under AR Tori. And if A.R. Torrey, you aren't going to find a whole lot because she's a quiet pen name. But most of my novels are romance novels. But I've been moving more and more into suspense.

And Every Last Secret is a psychological and domestic thriller. So that's what it's classified as. So what's great. Do you want me to go into what it's about or no? Go ahead. I'll let you just it just a quick elevator pitch on every last secret. It's about, um, two neighboring couples. And what happens is their lives get more and more intertwined and the relationship between the two wives becomes more and more toxic. This one woman turns, um, darker and darker. It opens with a

murder investigation and then um bounces back and forth from you know three months earlier to all the events leading up to that investigation so it is a suspense novel murder murder you say i don't know what movie that's done i should have like a thing for that um so you're you're like the best of both worlds you got romance you got the big romance collection and then you've got the murder suspense collection you've been doing the romance for quite a long time much longer than the uh suspense novels is that correct that's correct yeah so i started um publishing and writing eight years ago and I was always a reader.

That was all I never thought about being a writer. It wasn't like a lifelong dream or something I went to school for, but I kind of fell into it and I wrote my first novel and I really expected to write a suspense novel because that's what I read. I had never ever read a romance novel. It wasn't anything that interested me. But when I sat down to write my first book, this romance novel comes out. And at the time, Fifty Shades of Grey was just like popping and E.L. James was making a million dollars a day. And I suddenly had this romance novel on my hands. So I self-published it and it ended up just absolutely taken off and got me an agent

and a publisher. And then I had this audience that wanted another romance novel. So before I knew it, now eight years later, I have 20 romance novels. And but suspense is really my love. It's really where my heart is. So I've been wanting to move my career in that direction. And this is my first, well, it's not really my first big book, but I think this will be my breakout book for suspense. Awesome. So it's been getting great reviews. Are you, are you just basically moving from a genre of like romance and then you want to kill them or something like that? I don't know. Well, in romance, I have very specific rules i have to go by right so i can't like halfway through the book kill the heroine and i can't you know make her bad and i you know i can't i can't have her

kill her husband i have i have to have certain guidelines right and at the end it has to be happy ending and that makes it really hard to be unpredictable. And that's, as a reader, I hate predictable books like that. That's the one thing I never want as a reader. So it's hard. It's a challenge to keep readers on their toes in romance. With suspense, I can do anything I want. It's like, I suddenly have this open field with no rules. And, um, if I want everyone to die at the end, I can, you know, or if I want everyone to live. So I love that. I love that arena and I'll still write romance novels. I'm not going to leave romance novels, but, um, but I will hopefully be more 50, 50. Sounds good. I mean, I was going to say,

that's the story of every one of my relationships where one of my exes just wanted to you know they love me and then they want to kill me at the end so let's get into this book some of the details I mean this is this is kind of interesting stuff so where did you get the story from that motivated you want to tell this story yeah the story ideas come from everywhere this one was easy and fresh because I was basically living through it. Not as one of the main characters, but if this was a book, I would have been the side friend, you know, who chimed in helpful information whenever the reader wanted to know it. That's what I would have been. I had a very close friend whose husband started to become involved with a woman who really turned kind of psychotic and became obsessed with her and him and stalking them. And it was a married woman.

So I lived kind of through that roller coaster of emotions. And it was just one of those like it was heartbreaking for me to participate in for my friend but at the same time I was like oh my gosh like this needs to be a book because there's so many emotions here and really I understand why in the heat of passion people kill people right because um there's just what's more I mean you're protecting the life that you want and the life that you have. And so, so it was a great setting for a book. And I took that framework and those emotions, and then I just let my imagination run wild. And it was great. It was it was almost, it was therapeutic. I mean, I wasn't the one going through that. But, but I worked a lot with my

friend on drafts and going through things. um but I worked a lot with my friend on drafts and going through things and um I think it was great for us both there you go I mean what sometimes truth is stranger than fiction right yeah a lot of times yeah I've never had anybody obsessed with me where where they they uh I don't know they want to take over and dominate my life and and then maybe maybe want to kill me if that's I don't know they want to take over and dominate my life and and then maybe maybe you want to kill me if that's i don't know if it's in the book but we'll you have to read it i guess um but this is really interesting so they just they start out as like uh friendly neighbors or good friends and then things kind of take that dark turn yeah they start out as

friendly neighbors um we have like the golden couple that has everything. They're fabulously wealthy. You know, they have this huge mansion and estate and house staff and Ferraris in the garage. And a couple moves in next door into the like tear down property next door and start renovating it. And the wife of that couple works for the husband of the golden couple. And so as she's a new hire, so as she starts getting closer to him at work, she starts inserting herself more and more in their lives. And she really sees the life that she wants, you know, and it's almost the man is there. I mean, and she does is going after the man, but it's really more her wanting to take everything from the other wife. And it's this like competitive, toxic relationship that grows as she

becomes more and more obsessed with the other couple um and then but there's a twist there's a lot going on that you aren't aware of as a reader um until until it all unfolds so it gives you that summation that sort of experience with who's that guy racer used to write all those wonderful films we had a gal's writing for him right now on on the thing uh m night charlemagne yeah and uh i haven't heard his name in a while i don't know why he's working on something we had one of uh writers who's working with him on a project on the show she did a comic series but uh uh so this is pretty cool uh and uh it sounds like a lot of fun too because uh number one it goes down some twists but it it's uh the new york times

bestseller author taryn fisher if i say this right i devoured every seductive word exceptional do you find like a lot of your uh romance novel readers your audience crossover to your suspense novels they do a lot of them do um i published a book the ghost a few years ago, and that was my first strictly no romance whatsoever. And when I was writing it and pre-promoting it and letting them know, I was getting so many questions like, is there a romance? And I'd say no. And they're like, just a little romance? I said, no romance at all.

There's not a single. There's no kiss. There's no romance at all. And they're all kind of like, ah. But then they all bought it when it came out. And that ended up being for many of them, their favorite book of mine. So, um, yeah, so it's a pretty loyal community and they'll, they'll wander outside the genre a lot of times because so many romance readers read an enormous amount. I mean, they really do. And sometimes they get burnout and sometimes they want to change. So it's nice that, and Taryn Fisher is another author. She really came into prominence

with her book, The Wives in the last year. And she kind of like me gotten that romance rut because there was an audience and there was a thing, but this is suspense is where she belongs too. So I'm really excited to see her books take off.'s pretty cool you're just gonna have like two two huge things it'd be like if that that that uh that gal who wrote uh what was that uh well jd rob and nora roberts those are both they're the same person and she and a lot of readers don't even know that the publishers don't share that which i think they should because i think readers would follow her there you go well that's really cool that you have that um so uh any uh anything you want to divulge about the book to tease us to tease the reader to want to go out and buy it

is there any good teases you want to throw out oh good teases let's see i don't know it's been really well received because those might give it away right i know i'm trying not to give it away but it's a domestic suspense it's good for i mean i have a lot of males um it's live now already has 4 000 reviews um and we're in day two but it um a lot of the reviews i read every review that i can find amazon hides a lot of them but i read every review that i can find and a lot of the reviews, I read every review that I can find. Amazon hides a lot of them, but I read every review that I can find. And a lot of reviews are from men, which I always love to see. And one made me laugh the other day. He said, I never read books by women because I don't like them.

But I thought A.R. Torrey was a guy, and I read the book, and I ended up really liking it. So my pen name helped me out with that one. That's interesting. But I think it'll appeal to anybody who likes a great story and a good dynamic. And if you don't read cheating books, because a lot of romance readers don't read books that have cheating. Yeah, everybody pays for their sins in the end. So it's a great, those are always the, those are the good ones. Whereas there's the, uh, you know,

karma comes around or whatever. Um, do, so this is pretty awesome. Men like the book. I was going to ask you, you know, how much, how much, uh, do, do, do you find that men consume a lot of romance novels or no i mean four percent of my audience is men um and i don't and there aren't it's not a big audience um for for romance uh and suspense i believe suspense is also a lot of female i think readers in general there are more female readers than men. Um, because, um, my publicist has told me the other day that, um, not my publicist, one of the marketing systems was telling me that, um, in the mystery and suspense field, it's mostly women readers too, but it's not like romance where it's 97%. Um, so women are smart male readers, but women are smarter than men. You guys read, we just look at

pictures in the centerfold oh that's what that is um the uh so uh you started out self-publishing you've become a successful author um there's some other projects you're working on too i think we talked pre-show about your ai project do i tell us a little bit about that. Absolutely. So Authors AI is the tech startup that I'm CEO of and co-founder. And we got together with a group of data scientists and 120 bestselling authors and created a company. And it's doing really exciting things in the world in the field of AI, specifically AI and fiction. So AI has been wandering closer and closer to our industry in recent years. And it goes in a few different ways.

Some companies are using artificial intelligence to actually write articles and stories. We are not in that camp. That's not what we are interested in or support. We use artificial intelligence to read novels and to point out different things about them. So one side of our business helps authors improve their novels by comparing, you know, showing them their plot arc and their pacing and different elements of the story in a different way. So it's not, it's the type of view and opinion you would get from a developmental editor versus something like grammarly, it's like a line editor. So it takes a much deeper dive and it can actually read your story and understand it like a reader would tell you if you're, if your villain is too friendly or,

you know, if your plot twists are too close together or too spread out or things like that and what your pacing is like and at what point in your book, the reader's probably going to set it down and walk away. So it's really fascinating. The technology is over a decade in the making. And one of our co-founders is Dr. Matt Jockers, who is co-author of The Bestseller Code. So if you're a novelist or a reader, either way, it's a fascinating book if you haven't read The

Bestseller Code. But back then, that book was published four years ago. There was a technology that identified commonalities in bestselling novels, and really what is the code to a bestseller? And is there a magic equation, you know, so it's a really interesting book. And so that's, that's part of the business. The other half is we've built a reader community called binge books that just launched a week and a half ago. And we've already got thousands of readers who have signed up and are finding books. So it's a book discovery site. So if you're looking for, you know, an epic fantasy novel or any fiction genre, we have all fiction genres.

We have hundreds of thousands of books and over 45,000 authors on the platform. And so we're going to ask. Is that bingebook.com? Bingebooks.com. Books. Yeah. Okay. Bingebooks.com.

Yeah. And we support binging, like you binge on Netflix or you binge on something else. We want you to binge on books. So you can easily read opening chapters of books and just jump from opening chapter to opening chapter until you to binge on books. So you can easily read the opening chapters of books and just jump from opening chapter to opening chapter until you find one you like. And then we're not a retailer. We're not, you know, you can then click on whatever your favorite retailer is and buy it directly from them. Is the artificial intelligence going to like, you know, take a look at what I'm constantly reading and give me suggestions and stuff like

that? Yeah. So right now this is our MVP product. So we're launching binge books. This is version 1.0, but Marlo, who is our artificial intelligence. So she currently reads a book and knows everything there is to know about it. So she will become a super book recommendation engine and come over on the binge book side. And so it won't be so much that she'll be like, Oh, Chris, I've noticed you're reading whatever. It'll be more like you can be like, Hey, I really love this book. I really love the Da Vinci code. What's a book that's similar to it. And she can tell you not based on metadata or sales activities. She can look through all of the books that she's read in a millisecond and say, this book is 92% or 98% similar to Da Vinci Code

in terms of story arc and pacing and violence level or content. This is pretty cool. Yeah, that's going to be the future of book discovery, and we're really excited to be at the forefront of it. Maybe you can get Amazon to buy you out or something i don't know amazon bought goodreads and i don't i'm not sure that was the best for their for the user experience so yeah well they tend to do that uh that's kind of how they tend to buy the good stuff yeah yeah the um we'll say that uh but no this is really exciting you know it's it's funny because i have grammarly whenever i type something no one yells at me you type like a fourth grader

and i'm like yeah i i would you know yeah me too you're in good company you're a prolific writer no way the uh yeah it's and it swears at me it's like you know are you an idiot and do you go to public school or something i'm like uh yeah i did and it swears at me it's like you know are you an idiot and public school or something i'm like uh yeah i did and then it's like yeah we can tell i'm like geez i pay for this i pay for this i pay for these insults yeah you know what you know what you should do is get that ai instead of you know measuring the arc of an author's arc of the book and the and their plot line you should get it for people in real life. You can measure the arc of their life, you know, whether it's sadness or like, like it looks at your credit score and your tragedy.

Yeah. Because, because Chris Voss is a Greek tragedy. Yeah. He's about to be filled any moment by, I don't know, whatever. His pacing is way too slow. So there you go. So do you see your next book as being in the same suspense genre? Are you going to go back to romance?

My next book is done. It's already delivered to the publishers. So I can answer that. It's about a serial killer in Beverly Hills. So it's definitely a suspense. It's a psychological suspense that'll come in the summer. So one good lie is what it's called. So yeah. Does it kill any of the Kardashians? It doesn't kill any of the Kardashians. Sorry. But between now and then I'll publish a romance novel in the meantime.

So let me ask you this. How often do you write books? I mean, you're doing a lot of writing, I guess. I do a lot of writing. Not as much as I used to, though, because we are doing so much with the company. But I used to write three to four books a year. Now I'm down to one to two. And I normally, in a normal world, yeah, I'm almost

continually, it's so funny, because like you meet people out and they're like, Oh, what do you do? I'm writing? They're like, Oh, are you going to write another book? And I'm thinking, yeah, because I need to pay my mortgage. So yes. But we I'm'm almost, I'm continually in some sort of book development process. So I'm either editing or writing. Um, so right now I'm in post edits, um, and I'm thinking I've got to start writing soon. So yeah, I'll be in, um, I'm going through all of my ideas now to figure out what I'm going to write next. Are you like a, like, I know George Car carlin uh comedian and a couple different comedians they

take they keep notes they like have just files and files with notes is that usually the way you approach it where you have multiple things cooking or do you try and focus on one thing or uh how do you go about your your wares so i have pieces of paper scraps paper, backs of cardboard boxes. I mean, a lot of times you get an idea at like a really weird time. And a lot of my ideas I get at night, right? Like I'll wake up in the middle of the night because I've had a dream and you know how you're, you want to get back to that world because it was so vivid and interesting. And a funny story, one time I woke up and I was like, oh my gosh, like the dream I just had is going to be like the next great Pulitzer Prize winning novel, right?

Like I must write this down, right? And I like, I keep a pad of paper and a pen beside my bed just for this. So I wrote down, you know, my idea and I went to bed like, man, nailed it. Like, you know, future fame and fortune coming in the morning. And it's in the morning when I woke up, I was laying there for a minute. I was like, oh, I had like a great idea last night, you know? So I reached over and I got my pad of paper and it was like one sentence that I'd written. And it was like, um, she, uh, like her car breaks down um on the side of the road with brian and i was like um with brian her dog and then i wrote brian is a veterinarian and i underlined veterinarian like

four times like that was the crowning idea that would break through everything it doesn't make any sense like her dog's a veterinarian and i don't know what breaking down the side of the road had to do with anything. But that at the middle of the night, I thought was like, wow, you know, I don't know where I was going with that. But normally my very best ideas come when I'm in the middle of another book. Of course, it's like this siren call that tries to distract you and pull you away from the book.

And that is like the kiss of death for authors. Like we have to stick to what we're doing. So normally when I get some great idea, I give myself one afternoon, I'll say, you know, Alessandra, you have three or four hours that you can, you know, play with this new idea. And I'll write down a few scenes and have some plot ideas. And then I stick it in a drawer and I don't look at it again until I'm in a position like now. And now's the funnest time because I can go through all those ideas and say, oh, this is what I should do. Or this would be, you know, this is trending in the market right now. This would be a great time for me to write this book or, or that. So it's fun. It's pretty

interesting. Does your family see much of you? No, my family's been so great man i don't this really came out nowhere like my husband wasn't expecting to marry an author right we were married for um four or five years before i started writing and um this is now my life is completely different you know than it was when we met but um but they're sort of you know now they're used to like we'll be in the middle of conversation and i'll like sprint away and they won't see me. And they're like, oh, okay. She must've gotten an idea or something like that. And there's support systems.

Cause a lot of times I'll lock myself away. I'm like, I have four days till this deadline. So we're talking, you know, 16 hour days and I cannot do anything. So they bring me food and they leave me alone and they make sure that I'm still alive every couple of hours. And then but they they leave me be and they answer. They take my phone and they answer my calls and and they're great. Yeah, they're great. But you need that support system. You know, it's a it's a lonely it's a lonely business.

You know, it sounds like some of the covid in-house cases that I've had with friends have gotten COVID and they have family and they have to isolate in a room. Yeah. You slide the food under the door. You're just like, Hey, can you, we just get some confirmation of life. Yeah. Are you okay? Is this I, ever since I've gotten older, I start taking more naps. And so every time someone calls me they're like hey are you are you still alive man it's the middle of the day and i'm like yeah i just took a nap i'm old man come on man and then covid's made it worse because you you have the covid sleep yeah i don't know if you have the covid insomnia but sometimes sometimes i think subconsciously you're worrying about crap but you feel kind of you're like i'm fine but i can't figure out why i sleep and of course one

of my recent things is i get on tiktok and start watching videos and then five minutes turns into four hours that's really cool that you've you've got this down um what do you uh what do you have any goals long term as an author like to get the 50 novels or a hundred or, um, my goal is just to get to a point where I can write right now. I write typically three books for my audience and then one passion book for me and that passion book, I have zero expectations. I don't care if I sell a single copy, it's just a book that I need to write and I want to write and I, and I write it for me. So I want to get to a point where I, all of my books can be like that, where I can just write books, you know, um, and write, you know, one to two books or two to three books a year and just write the stories that I really want to tell. Um, so, so that's my goal, but honestly,

I've hit so many of my, my, you know, I wanted to hit the New York times list and I hit that and I wanted to be in certain countries and I've had that and I've had a movie. So I've really been really blessed and which is why I've been able to really kind of step away from books a little bit to focus on this, you know, this other business, which it, but it reminded me, I was, it was two o'clock in the morning, I was going through books, fantasy books, which is a genre I read to find different things to spotlight on bingebooks.com. And, and I was just like, man, I love books. Like, it just reminded me, like, I love looking at covers, I love reading descriptions.

I like, you know like diving into excerpts. And it's just such a great industry and it's full of such great people that I'm just lucky. I feel lucky to be a part of it. I hope you like books because you've written 20 plus of them. So there you go. We're going to be tagging you in a lot of different media that we put out across Twitter, Facebook, and LinkedIn. We're pretty prolific on multiple accounts. What's one thing that, and I'm sure your readers will see it and they'll be like, Hey, I want to find out what's going on with my favorite author today. What's

one thing that maybe you wish more of your readers knew about you? Well, most of the readers don't know anything about what I do outside of writing so they don't know that I teach online courses and they don't know about the author community and they don't know about binge books and authors they are so but um but from a a more personal side of things um I'd say um a lot of what a lot of what I do is, is pretty, um, I'm self-taught. So I'm not, um, I feel like I'm a reader. That's, that's really how I feel like I am. So a lot of, um, a lot of my day-to-day is just around books and reading. And, um, I live in, I'm lucky enough to live in Key West. I love, I love this city and I love this town.

And I have a lot of readers that reach out if they're coming here and they're looking for recommendations and food. But I try, we try to get out on the water and I have chickens and three dogs and we just have a very busy and crazy life, but I wouldn't take it. You know, I wouldn't have it any other way. That's awesome. How do you keep the chickens, the dogs from eating the chickens that's what i was wondering let me tell you what it was when we have two we had three small dogs and then we um had a rottweiler that we adopted and it was a bad like we just had to take it it wasn't you know an option and i was

like what am i going to do with these chickens because at the time they were babies and i'm like that raw i could eat those chickens um and he she she i always call her he um she now is so good that chicken will she'll be gnawing on a bone and the chicken comes over and pecks at the bone and tries to take it and she'll growl, but that dog will not touch that chicken. Um, so it took some time. It took a lot of us having her on a leash and telling her no, and you know, whatever, but we actually hired a pet communicator, which is like, she can talk to animals. Um, thanks to, thanks to the internet, anybody you can find online and they can call you and skype and you can meet with them and uh and she talked to all of our dogs and our chickens and uh we said

to her because at the time one of our chickens was having babies and was sitting on the eggs and it was like any day we're gonna have baby chicks and i thought oh no whiskey's gonna go after these chicks you know she's fine with our hens now because they're big and fat and whatever and uh so the psychic said to whiskey i said please tell whiskey you know she can't mess with the babies and so the psychic said whiskey said i'm not gonna mess with the chickens they have little personalities and she's like i don't i don't eat things that have personalities that's what our rottweiler said to the psychic so um and she never did from the day those babies were born um she just stayed she came over and sniffed one time and the hen flew up and pecked her in the nose and at that point she was like okay i'll stay away from you

do you put these videos on your instagram account this is killer content this is killer content anytime you see like an animal you know different animal interacting with another animal it should probably be eating it in the natural world order um the key west is supposed to be really beautiful i've never been out there but i've always wanted to go out there i think there's still that bogey museum i'm a big bogey fan what's bogey uh uh humphrey bogart i think there's a hotel or something out there. I don't know. I haven't, I haven't heard of that, but somewhere down there. Yeah, it really is. Yeah. It's a group of sailors and treasure hunters and drunks basically, but it's an eclectic. Yeah. A lot of authors, a lot of, it's funny.

Everyone I meet, they're like, what do you do? I'm like, Oh, I write books. Oh, me too. You know? So, yeah. So there are a lot of, a lot of it's funny everyone i meet they're like what do you do i'm like oh i write books oh me too you know so oh wow yeah so there are a lot of a lot of authors in this community well this will be cool yeah i mean you're just doing so many wonderful things between the authors ai the binge books i'm gonna go check out binge books again on there you set up a profile and everything on there just like a social thing this would be pretty awesome and uh automated intelligence ai is pretty pretty astounding all the different things that it does so uh before we go anything more do you want to tell us who dies at the end of your book every last secret or i'll tell you that during it i

tried to sneak it in there readers have tried to get it but yeah it's it's available now audiobook ebook paperback and i think the audiobook's only like two dollars if Audiobook, ebook, paperback. And I think the audiobook's only like $2 if you buy the ebook or something crazy. Really? Wow. Yeah, I haven't listened to it yet. That's a confession. If you author confession, nothing's more painful than listening to your own audiobook. So especially if you're a romance author, that's like you might as well just bury yourself in a hole. But yeah, I hope anyone listening checks it out. you're a romance author that's like you might as well just bury yourself in a hole but um but yeah

i hope i hope anyone listening checks it out it's every last secret and it's a like you said a r tory there you go dude do we get a dot com in there so people can look you up on interwebs a r tory dot com there you go uh well everyone check it out you know one of the things biggest complaints i've had on the show is we've had too many political books on the show and politics. So check out the book because you can read something that isn't about Washington, D.C. and politics and crap. I get that complaint all the time. People are like, have more novelists on. I'm like, I'm trying.

I'm trying. But so wonderful book. And this is, of course, a great time where politics are kind of waning off and you know people can read we can finally focus on other stuff yeah man killing other people or whatever happens in the book uh uh you know uh the backstabbing the backstabbing the backstabbing is always the best anyway guys check out the book i certainly appreciate you for being on with us and sharing the wonderful stuff today. Thank you for being on.

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