The Chris Voss Show - The Chris Voss Show Podcast – Experienced Personal Injury Atorney Shares Advice on Accidents and Insurance

Episode Date: December 12, 2023

Experienced Personal Injury Atorney Shares Advice on Accidents and Insurance Karnsandkarns.com Show Notes About The Guest(s): ​ Bill Karns is an attorney and the co-founder of Karns and Karns Personal Injury and Accident Attorneys. With offices in California, Nevada, and Texas, Bill specializes in litigating major personal injury cases involving car accidents, motorcycle accidents, train accidents, wrongful death, premises accidents, slip and fall accidents, unsafe products, unsafe medical devices, bad drugs, construction site accidents, pedestrian accidents, boat accidents, insurance bad faith, and traumatic brain injury. With over 100 five-star reviews and an award-winning service, Bill and his team provide personalized attention and fight for their clients' rights. ​ Summary: ​ In this episode of The Chris Voss Show, host Chris Voss interviews Bill Karns, an attorney and co-founder of Karns and Karns Personal Injury and Accident Attorneys. Bill shares his journey into law and discusses the importance of having a personal injury lawyer in case of accidents or injuries. He highlights the need to seek medical attention after an accident, avoid talking to insurance companies without legal representation, and the deceptive tactics used by insurance companies to minimize claims. Bill also emphasizes the importance of choosing a law firm that has trial experience and provides personal attention to clients. He concludes by discussing the impact of social media on young people and the firm's support for the Wounded Warrior Project and Four Paws for Patriots. ​ Key Takeaways: ​ - Seek medical attention after an accident, even if you don't feel immediate pain or injuries. - Avoid talking to insurance companies without legal representation to protect your rights. - Choose a law firm that has trial experience and provides personal attention to clients. - Social media has a detrimental effect on young people's mental health and self-esteem. - Karns and Karns supports the Wounded Warrior Project and Four Paws for Patriots. ​ Quotes: ​ - "No one likes attorneys or thinks they need an attorney until they need one." - Bill Karns - "Insurance companies are so cheap, which is why there are so many personal injury lawyers." - Bill Karns - "We're not a huge behemoth law firm. We have the time and resources to care for our clients." - Bill Karns - "My cousin Vinny is hands down the greatest, most accurate legal movie of all time." - Bill Karns

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Yeah, that's her over and over and over again. How are you, Chris? I am excellent. Welcome to the show. Bill Carnes is going to be joining us on the show. You can hear him chiving in the background. And we'll be talking to him about his company, Carnes & Carnes, personal injury and accident attorneys.

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I gave up pretty easy. I don't want to go to jail. So Bill Carnes, as you can hear, specializes in litigating major personal injury cases involving car accidents, motorcycle accidents, train accidents, wrongful death, premises accidents, slip and fall accidents, unsafe products, unsafe medical devices, bad drugs. Wow, I could have called him for some of that when I was younger. Construction site accidents, pedestrian accidents, boat accidents, insurance, bad faith, traumatic brain injury. He's also litigated cases involving breach of

contract, fraud, and business torts. I wonder if he also litigates birth accidents. Welcome to the show, Bill. How are you? I'm good'm good i'm good and the answer to that last question is yes i have done plenty of birth injury cases oh birth injury cases i'm i'm talking about the ones where you know you end up on maury yeah yeah wait i am the father what's going on there i thought i thought that vasectomy is working every once in a while i go and i do a deep dive on like mori reactions just to laugh best mori you are the father reactions yeah i do that with cops if i ever get depressed and i'm like god my life sucks i'll sit and watch cops for two hours and by the time after two hours you're

like my life is awesome compared to these people yeah that is hands down one of the greatest reality TV shows to this day is Cops. I mean, I haven't watched Cops in a long time, but gosh, it is. When I was a kid, it was the first reality show. It was the best. Oh, yeah.

I wish there was just a segment where it was just tasers 24-7. That's my favorite part, the tasers. See, I'm too young. I mean, I haven't watched Cops in, heck, 20 years or something, so I part, the tasers. See, I'm too young. I mean, I haven't watched cops in heck 20 years or something. So I missed all the tasers. There were no tasers back then. There's cops. By the way, we also sue. We sue cops. So now they, I mean, back then they just shoot you. They still do that now. Every once in a while you get a tase. Yeah. Especially when the guy

doesn't have a shirt on. It's always the guy who doesn't have a shirt on in the mobile home when they show up. That's why if the cops ever show up at my house, I make doesn't have a shirt on. It's always the guy who doesn't have a shirt on in the mobile home when they show up. That's why if the cops ever show up at my house, I make sure I put a shirt on and make sure I'm not wearing a wife beater too. Because that's the guy who always goes. So, giveusher.com, where can people find you on the interwebs? KarnsandKarns.com. There you go. Give us a 30,000 overview of what you guys do and your words and how you do it. And I know you have a lot of locations as well.

Yeah, we're in California, Nevada, and Texas, offices throughout. And basically, you know, primarily what we do are auto accidents, slip and falls, but major catastrophic personal injury cases. And a 30,000-foot overview is, you know, we sue people, we sue insurance companies. That's a 30,000-foot.

We're attorneys who sue people. We're attorneys, God forbid, who sue people. I tell you, we like to categorize ourselves a little differently than the personal injury firms that you see on the billboards or radio or TV because we kind of, although we do a lot of marketing, we started off totally different than those kind of heavy marketing firms. It's definitely a little different. Yeah. So what got you into law? What made you want to become an attorney? What was your journey growing up and who hurt you? Yeah, right. My dad was a heavy influence on both my brother and I. My brother's my partner at Carnes and Carnes. We both started the firm together.

And our dad, we asked him the same question growing up, because we didn't, neither of us knew what we wanted to do growing up high school or anything like that. So dad, what do we, you know, how did you become a lawyer? He goes, well, because medical school was too long. And, and I was too dumb for medical school. And, but I wanted to be in school. And that's what he said. So that was kind of influential. And so growing up in school, we always kind of tried to keep our options open. And then we both went to law school. We both started liking it.

And the rest is history. There you go. Law is an amazing field. If I could go back, I started my first company at 18. If I could go back, I'd tell people I'd get a law degree. Because it's so pliable in so many different fields that you can use it in. Yeah. You know what people are doing a lot is that JD MBA.

That's not a bad move. A JD MBA? Yeah. They do a joint master's in business school, basically. Oh, really? And you do it at the same time. It's four years instead of three. And a lot of people do that.

I hear that from a lot of lawyers that they wish they did a JD MBA. Yeah, because they don't teach business to lawyers, right? No. Yeah. Not at all. They don't teach you how to do law. They don't teach you what to do inside a courtroom. They just teach you Latin?

Yeah, right. And then if you mispronounce the Latin, they say, oh, you mispronounced that. It's like, how do you know? It's a dead language. And then you're labeled a smart ass, know you just got to get out of there take the bar exam establish yourself in the practice at that point there you go i think kim kardashian is still trying to pass it i don't know she did yeah the baby bar like 20 20 times or something but i i've loved i loved i well i had to fall in love with the law because once you

become you have a lot of companies and stuff you get a lot of shakedown lawsuits and then you're suing people and they're suing you. And I've learned that it's how the rich do war. Like in the old days, you know, kings would just do war and battles and you'd send people over to kill each other and murder each other. And now in a modern society, the war is done through courts and attorneys. It's the modern day sword for the rich. Those types of cases, things like that certainly dominate the headlines, but they don't dominate the courthouses. I can tell you that. And they don't, I mean, you know, we represent regular people, people that need us too. They really need lawyers. What you're talking about, people need to screw over other people or want to do that. Yeah. I don't, I don't do that. And the beauty of the law too is, you know,

you look at our constitution, you look at our nation of laws and, and it's really interesting to me how all of it evolved from it. So, you know, there's a, what's the old saying? No one thinks they need an attorney. No one likes attorneys or thinks they need an attorney until they need one. Yeah. Yeah. It's a good one. There you go. And the last kind of lawyer you ever are going to want is a lawyer like me.

You never want a personal injury lawyer. If you go your whole life without ever knowing a personal injury lawyer, that's a good, that's a good life. That means that something hasn't befallen you that has equated you to an industry, an injury. So how do you, tell us what sort of clients you help and and some of the things that you do and and you know why is it necessary for to have a personal injury injury lawyer what do we need to look out for what sort of things are

we getting into that we need one for interesting you know there's a couple ways to attack that question the reality of just life you know people get hurt and other people are responsible for it. There's medical bills, there's issues, there's how, you know, people wonder why there's a bunch of, oh, there's PI lawyers everywhere. There's TV commercials everywhere. And the reason is, is because insurance companies are so cheap. Yeah. So if insurance companies treated people fairly, then there would probably be a lot less personal injury lawyers. So, you know, cause and effect. We are a little bit of the product of what's going on in the insurance industry. They're exceedingly cheap, always have been. I think they've gotten a lot worse during tort reform in the 90s, early 2000s. And

the billboards you see driving down the road, you're in Vegas. Forget about it. Every time I go to Vegas, I just went to a game at Allegiant. You can't go five feet without seeing a PI injury billboard, you know? Yeah. Just knock on the cars in traffic. Yeah, a decent gust of wind blows that billboard right over on you. Yeah, so I mean, I think a little bit of that's what you're seeing. In terms of what we do, we're not a huge marketing type firm. We don't have thousands and thousands and thousands of cases. We try to help people and try to kind of give a personal attention to them. We're a family law firm and we try to treat our clients like family as well.

Do you treat your brother as well as the rest of your clients? You're joking about your brother. I love my brother so much. People ask me, what's it like practicing with your brother? I'm just like, no, it's great. Mike and I definitely see eye to eye on virtually every single issue. And whenever we do disagree, it never gets heated or anything like that. We just start laughing about something. See, my, me and my brother, we, we fought a lot as kids,

so I don't think we ever worked together. So I'm glad you have a better relationship than we do. How many, how many, how many siblings do you have? I had three and, but we're just one brother and two sisters, you know?

And so the brothers, you know, I don't think, I don't think it's ever left the two of us of being, I don't know, at each other, but that's another story. We still, we still do that too. I don't think it's ever left the two of us of being, I don't know, at each other. But that's another story. We still do that, too.

I mean, and that's healthy because it drives both of us. It's competitive. There you go. There you go. But you do. You know, Arnold and Danny DeVito in twins just hugs and kisses. It can't be. I mean, come on.

The problem is if you get in a fist fight, who sues who for damages? Well, he kicks i'll say he kicks my ass because he's tough oh there you go yeah he's strong and tough i'm kind of a wuss in that regard there you go yeah hence the practice of law yeah just hire attorneys and have them working out don't don't be fist fighting so you guys have an award-winning service no fees until you win yeah experience you can trust and over 1,000 five-star reviews that's pretty awesome i noticed you guys also cover uh bad drug lawyers so i can call you if i get a bad bag of meth and yeah it's not not those types of drugs if you're getting a bad you

know dime bag or bag of you know blue ice that's probably going to be on you. If Pfizer gives you a bad drug, you might want to give us a call. Oh, it's that kind of bad drug. That kind of bad drug. Tell the voicemail I left at Kearns and Kearns that I forget about it. Disregard. Speaking of cops, as we were joking about earlier in the show, I don't know

if you've ever seen, there were different episodes on cops where people actually did that. They flagged down a cop car and they're like, Hey, I bought some crack at that crack house in the corner and they gave me like, like on a baking soda and I want you to go get my money back. Yeah. I got ripped off by that drug dealer. You know, they're like, are you for real?

Yeah. My brother and I were once talking about what's the dumbest thing you can do and you know, or say to a cop and that that's gotta be right right up there is, hey, you know, I got ripped off by this drug dealer. Yeah. Or, I can't get this knife out of this guy I murdered. Can you guys help me? I got to, you know, a good place to bury a body at all. I got a couple extra bags here.

I don't know. I know you guys see a lot of murders, so you guys should know. Yeah, I need some good advice. How to bury the body. So what do you think sets you guys apart as personal injury and accident attorneys than other firms? One, we actually litigate cases. Oh. So there's a couple things I talk to our clients about when they're trying to select a law firm.

And I'm saying, hey, you've heard of those big time lawyers. Ask them if they've ever tried a case. Every lawyer in our office, every single lawyer in our office has tried multiple cases to jury verdict. And not many law firms can say that because, you know, the guys that you see on the billboard, all those guys on TV, et cetera, they're marketers. They're business guys. They're not actual lawyers. So when I started off, I mean, I carried another guy's briefcase, another lawyer's briefcase, who was a really good trial lawyer, and I tried his worst cases and then became a partner at that firm and then started this firm with my brother. And so we try cases so we know what the defense argues at trial.

We know how to counter those arguments. We just kind of know more about what happens when you finally get to that ultimate stage of a jury trial. And remember, when you get to it, people are like, oh, you're a lawyer. They think all you do is what they see on TV, which is try cases. I mean, that in the life of a case, that's the last 5% time-wise of case or less, far less potentially. But when you are experienced in that, the area of trial and you see what the defense does and what insurance companies do, it helps you kind of prepare for that. So it sets us apart from those other law firms is we're actually in, we're in the trenches. We're fighting the fight. We don't take cases and send them to other plaintiff's law firms. We don't do any of that.

We take our cases ourselves. We hold them ourselves and we take it all the way to trial if need be. There you go. I know those other firms, those other firms that you see on the side of it. I don't know. You ask, Hey man, that name on the billboard, if they are still, you know, part of your firm, can I talk to them do they track cases yeah i remember there was an there was an attorney firm i won't say what city it was in but let's say it's close to where i live and they were one of these attorney firms who i guess what they do is they do massive marketing and they just recruit a bunch of attorneys and spin out cases to them like a referral service oh yeah but but they're an attorney firm themselves but the head lead guy that people saw on tv like all the time to a point you almost knew him and

every fall on his head and he would do the you know those funny weird commercials but i guess one time he was just partying too hard and enjoying his life he didn't show up for a murder case which was kind of a big deal because the guy was up for murder. And yeah, that wasn't a good time for him. So it's probably good to have, you know, people that aren't just marketing guys. I've heard of this guy. Yeah. I think I know who you're talking about.

I think you do. Yeah. But so that's why you want good trial. Trial. And then like the other thing too, it's like we care. We care because we're not a huge behemoth law firm. So we have the time, we have the resources to care. I mean, the business model that we have,

and every law firm has a business model, whether they like it or not, whether they anticipated it to be that various model or not, or that particular model or not. But business model that we have allows us to give our clients personal attention. So, I mean, it's, you know, no one's, you know, we are overstaffed. No one's overworked over here. We try to maximize value on every case. We're not, you know, hoarders of a whole bunch of cases. I mean, there's some law firms out there. They treat their clients, you know, it's like widgets.

Oh, we have 10,000 cases. Like, you got 9,999 pissed off clients, my man. You're actually going to show up for my… Yeah, you're going to be there for murder one or not, right? That was… That's kind of, you know, the judge was like, this is a guy who has his life on his line. He could be on death row.

And you just, where were you? You were off on a sabbatical smoking, I don't know, ketamine. I don't know what he was doing. It sounded like he was in one of those sweat huts or something. Yeah, stick to the commercial. Yeah, stick to being in the TV. So any advice for people out there that should be calling you when they get in an accident some sort of injury you know there's all sorts of sometimes the insurance company will run out

try and get you to sign something really quick or yeah you know uh etc etc the the classic things that we say are if you get into a crash check in with your body make sure you're okay make sure your car is in a reasonably safe spot exchange information and then go to the er and urgent care to get checked out even if you're not feeling all you know that banged up and then call a lawyer don't be chatting with your insurance company don't be chatting with the other guy's insurance company don't be in a situation where you're going crazy yelling and and screaming at the guy. Can you believe what you, you know what I mean? You know, don't turn into a road rage incident and then, you know, really try to calm down, check in with, you know, check in with yourself, especially once that

adrenaline dies down and you start feeling the effects of, of an actual accident. I mean, much of the, much of the conversations I have with clients that have just been in an accident is talking about injury potential, brain injury, you know, what happens in the spine, et cetera. And I can have long, distinct conversations with people. And, you know, during the course of that conversation, you get the client say, oh yeah, you know, I do feel that actually. I thought that was, you know, something else or whatever. It was like, no, that tingling in your foot could be from your low back. It could be a disc, you know, a lot of things like that happen. So I tell people get to the ER, tell them every kind of symptom

that you have and then call the Lord. There you go. And that's really important. I mean, I've been rear-ended before. A lot of times you don't feel, you know, the real impact of it till two days later. And then you're like, oh, wow, holy crap. It takes kind of a while to kick in. I think sometimes you're in a little bit of shock. Yeah, it's that adrenaline. That adrenaline goes and, you know, you get your fight or flight type stuff and you get all pumped up.

And once that subsides and also inflammation builds up from injury, it doesn't happen like that. I mean, if you bang your knee uh that swelling doesn't happen immediately it can happen over time a little bit and that's the same thing that happens internally in the structures in your spine brain injury etc so yeah you got to really you know check in with yourself don't just brush it off thinking that you're fine there can be a lot of kind of hidden things and i got rear-endedended by, we were kind of in traffic, so we weren't moving that fast.

But the gal had turned to, her baby was in the backseat. She turned around to play with her baby. And, you know, we were doing that start and stop traffic stuff. And she hit me pretty hard. And I remember the, I was kind of surprised because the insurance company was like out, like right away. Hey, we'll come out. We'll help. We'll get you taken care of. And then when she showed up. Was it your insurance company was like out like right away hey we'll come out you know

we'll help we'll get you taken care of and then when she showed up was it your insurance company or her her insurance company yeah sign here there's 200 bucks sign the bodily injury they wanted me to and they wanted to take a statement from me they wanted to do a recording and sit down with me and take like a full accountability and i remember saying saying to her, I'm like, would my attorney recommend that we have this conversation right now? And she's like, I gotta be honest with you, probably not. And I was like, well, then you can go. Yeah. They're always trying to minimize cases. I mean, even your own insurance company, like, well, I gave a statement to my own insurance company and they'll like, once you have a statement, an insurance company will share

with the other insurance company, or you might have an uninsured motorist coverage where your insurance will pay you if the other guy doesn't have insurance or not enough insurance and they'll use what you say to your own insurance company against you wow evaluating that claim yeah yeah they do clever things too that you know so did you get that heard just kind of minor kind of bumps and bruises you know they'll lead you to what they want to hear you know so did you get that hurt just kind of minor kind of bumps and bruises you know they'll lead you to what they want to hear you know what the insurance company wants to you know will basically devalue your claim so they all those little tricks and it's just you know they're they are not your good neighbor they're not your friend you're not in good hands you know you know what the interesting thing though don't don't

people know this kind of i feel like people you would think but i think a lot of times you're you're kind of in shock i mean yeah you know yeah i've i've i've had little car accidents i'm like what am i supposed to do i'm supposed to call the cops or what's the procedure and you know it's a minor but how much is it when the cut we really got to call the cops and like you know, it's a minor, but how much is it when we really got to call the cops? And like, you know, you just kind of, you go scramble head. Cause you just, you just don't, you know, we, we had that happen a lot with our commercial vehicles. So, you know, another thing that I see a lot is like the crash that you were in, you might have, if I asked you a couple of questions. Sure. So was it, it was like, I wouldn't buy attorney recommend that I answer.

Yeah. Right. You're not on the record. You're okay. Was there a lot of damage to the back of your car and it was stop and go traffic? No, it was, it pushed the bumper and wrecked the bumper. It was a BMW. So it was a nice car. How did it feel? How did it feel though for you? Were you surprised to see the amount of damage or lack thereof? She hit me pretty hard. It slammed my head back, and I got a little bit of whiplash because I was sitting forward, and I really didn't expect it. Normally, I'm kind of keeping track of what's going on, but when you're in start and stop traffic,

you're not expecting to get hit with a light. Yeah, you're not prepared for it. My head did pop back, my neck right away i i knew to put ice on my neck and i started icing it and by the second day i was like it's a good thing i ice the fuck out of that yeah by the second day you can change that testimony in the future if you need to you know yeah yeah yeah i get it we get clients all the time they get banged you know pretty hard and then they look at their bumper and there's not that much damage and there's bumper rebound and people think well bumpers are soft it's a soft

component of the vehicle it's not it's the exact opposite you know i mean it's so yeah we see a lot of situations where clients are shocked about the small amount of property damage to their vehicle and then when you take when when you actually know, the state farm or whoever will come out and, you know, take a look at the car, oh, some scratches on the bumper. And then if you do a breakdown investigation of that car, you'll, you know, the bumper gets pushed in and rebounds back. But then you take it off and you look and there's damages. There's damage to the internal structures and even frame damage

that is just totally ignored by the adjuster. And parts are like so crazy expensive nowadays i gotta i remember i remember one time i my bmw we had a whiteout i was in park city with it and we had a whiteout and the they hadn't come done the road and i we totally got lost as we were driving and basically drove off the road. Thankfully, you know, I just slid through a pile of snow to a stop, but it did enough damage to the bumper. The bumper looked fine. Yeah. But, and so when they towed it out, I was like, okay, well, shit, I guess, you know, the snow did everything. But then when we took it in the shop, there was all this honeycomb that's under there and all this structure and it was all wrecked. It looked

fine from the outside. I had a couple scratches. You just never know with cars and parts of stuff. Then your body. I've had friends that have had accidents where they've had damage to their spine and they'll settle and then years later, they'll start having the degenerative nature

of once you destroy one vertebrae and it starts riding and sitting wrong, then, you know, then you're fusing everything. And then that makes it worse. And I'm like, dude, you shouldn't have settled that lawsuit, dude. That was crazy, man. Yeah. Adjacent level syndrome or junction syndrome is what you're talking about. Yeah. Look, the spine, I mean, the human body is very, very fragile.

And like you say, if you injure one part and there's an acute injury, I mean, the surrounding structures can basically erode, degenerate faster. It gets nasty. It's sad. And it's getting worse. There's more car accidents now. People are dinking around on their stupid phones all the time. And then pedestrians are getting hit more.

There's more death cases. There was a little bit of a law with COVID, but it's, it's, you know, it's still trending in the wrong direction. I have a, I have a close friend who's an attorney and he does a lot of wrongful death suits from people who are on their phone and, you know, drove through somebody and you know people just they're they're i don't know they're just on their own private idaho

we had we work with at&t a lot and review a lot of their phones over the last years and yeah i've seen that on your yeah it is yeah and they there was a movie they did with one of the famous hollywood producers like five six seven eight years ago and and they had done a documentary where they went on interview people who ended up killing people and accidentally because they were on their phone yeah and you know they did this big pr put the phone away campaign and and they probably need more of that because literally i i'm at the point now from what i've seen and heard enough of that like before i cross into a, an intersection, I'm looking both ways to make sure the cars are stopping and someone is on

their phone. I wouldn't call myself paranoid about it. I'm just kind of aware. Like I just look and I go, is everyone coming to stop? And we're going to blow through this light right into me. You know, I'm paranoid.

I'm paranoid at this stage. I mean, when you stop, when you stop at a stoplight and you just look to your left or right. I mean, like everyone. I mean, what? Everyone's on their phone. Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, I did. I started deleting. You know, I got into the habit a little bit of probably checking my phone too much. And I deleted. This is years ago before it became cool. Deleted Facebook. And I don't have instagram or anything like that or

tiktok but you're living i probably shouldn't be saying this on a podcast but whatever i mean no it's fine you're living the life man you're free yeah it's nice in my i have a five-year-old girl five and a half and i've always said to my wife look dude this this broad she's gonna have a flip phone she doesn't even know she's gonna hate she is gonna hate me she's gonna be like a pager what so this was just last night she goes daddy i want a phone at five and a half i said oh man this is it this is how it starts you go what are you what are you talking about daddy because this is how it starts you are you and i we're gonna be at each other's throats oh wow until it's you throats until the end on this.

You're going to be the last person with the phone. And she goes, oh, I love you, Daddy. And she gave me a hug and kiss, and that was it. So she already knows what she's doing, buttering me up. All changes when they become teenagers. I know, buttering me up. She's working. She's going to talk to Mom about a phone now.

But, you know, I mean, social media has really been destructive to young people. And I think there's a lot of states suing Facebook and other places. And it really has become just the Pandora's box that we've opened. It's the most culturally destroying, mentally destroying people with depression. It really affects young girls a lot too. And just the delusion that's out there i mean down to your place in la you know you can pay 60 bucks to go have pictures taken in a studio that look like you're in a right in a private plane and you're living the life and so

all these young kids are growing up like why can't it be like him how cool yeah that's cool that's cool it's a joke it's really bad it's really joke. It's really bad. It's really sad, too. I kind of weep for the future. But you know what? Every single generation has said that about the, you know, since the dawn. You know, I mean, you know, when we were apes, you know, barely off the tree, they were saying that. So I think it's hard. I just think you just got to, I don't know.

I just try to hug my kids as much as I possibly can and say don't worry about it. Do you use that line, weep for the future from the Ferris Bueller movie? Does that reference that? Yeah, that's the principle, right? You know, I was that principle for Halloween one year. Were you?

Yeah, and I was with, you know, the cool guys of the group were, of course, Ferris Bueller and Cameron Frye. Yeah. That's one of my favorite lines to do when the Gen Zers are acting up. I'm like, I weep for the future. I weep for the future. We haven't even talked about legal movies at all.

What's your favorite law movie? I would say it comes to mind. I would say, is it My Cousin Vinny? No. Is it My Cousin Vinny? If you talk to any lawyer, yeah, it is, that actually tries cases. My Cousin Vinny is hands down the greatest, most accurate legal movie of all time. It's accurate.

Wow. There you go. It's accurate. Wow. There you go. When you're comparing it against other movies where there's courtrooms, it's as good as it gets. What about Perry Mason? My mom loves Perry Mason. To this day, she

watches it like five hours a day. Do they remake Perry Mason? I don't know what she's watching, but I'll go in and she's watching Perry Mason when I visit her. Is it the old school Perry Mason? I think she's watching But I'll go in and she's watching Perry Mason When I visit her And is it the old school Perry Mason? I think she's got both Because I've seen it in black and white

And in color But she loves Perry Mason What about Ben Matlock? Don't forget about Matlock I don't know if she's into Matlock I'll have to ask her next time I see her But I remember I watched Matlock when I was a kid. I was a big Andy Griffin, right?

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I grew up watching. What was the Andy Griffin show? Yeah, there you go. The Andy Griffin show. Yeah. But that's interesting.

And then, of course, there's the famous lines from the movie with Tom Cruise. And you can't handle the truth. You can't handle the truth. That's probably a big lawyer movie. I don't know. Yeah. A Few Good Men. Wait. A Few Good Men. few good men wait yeah yeah that's a good one yeah they're good on the my cousin vinny we at my office pay a little homage to it are and this will mean nothing unless you really know the movie but

our wi-fi is jerry gallo and our wi-fi password is jerry callow and if you're wondering what the hell that means go watch that movie and you know it's at the end okay there you go when when she gets on the stand and she starts popping off in her jersey accent like all the car parts it's so it's like the best it's so good marissa tomei she won an oscar for that yeah she was just so great she just starts popping off and yeah and it was great to see wasn't he one of the monsters the judge yeah he was the you know lurch but you know the monsters they were named i forget what his name was yeah he just died he just passed away too he was a great judge in that too yeah he was he was a great i wish i would i remember watching the movie think god he should be in more movies yeah but i I remember watching the movie and thinking, God, he should be in more movies.

But I grew up watching the Munsters and all that sort of stuff in the early 70s. So anything we haven't touched on, I should ask you about or we should talk about? Oh, man, whatever. Tons of stuff, but no, it's all good. We've had a good chat. There you go.

So give us your final pitch out to people and how they can onboard with you guys, reach out to you guys, do a free consult. Yeah, I mean, anytime that you call us, you're not, you don't have to pay a dime. You won't get a bill from us or charge from us ever. We work on contingency. So,

if you've got any kind of legal issue, even a car accident, anything like that, give Carnes and Carnes a call. I like to say sometimes on our videos, hey, call K&K. Call K&K. I notice you guys are a proud sponsor of the Wounded Warrior project too. Yeah. We do

Wounded Warrior. That project is kind of interesting because we partner up with Four Paws for Patriots and Wounded Warriors. So when a service dog is needed by a vet, Wounded Warriors doesn't necessarily just give them a service dog. That has to come. They're specially trained. That comes from other organizations like

Four Paws for Patriots. So we try to connect the two together to provide service dogs. So we support Four Paws for Patriots, Wounded Warriors so they can get good service dogs to vets who need them. There you go. We've had veteran congressmen on the

show. We've talked about the high suicide rate of vets who need them. There you go. We've had, we've had a veteran congressman on the show. We've talked about the, you know, the high suicide rate of vets and, and, and joblessness of vets and, and, and dogs are such a great way to resolve a lot of that. I mean, I was depressed all my life before I got dogs. They kind of saved me and they're just, they're just so great. So truly, truly man's best friend. They are because they don't divorce you in Divorce Corp. They don't. They take half your shit. My dogs might eat half my shit. I think my younger Siberians did

that, but that's another thing. That's being a good dog. That's pretty much what it's supposed to do. It's par for the course, right? Yeah. So, Bill, thank you for coming on the show. We really appreciate you. Go to karnswithak.com one more time as we go out yeah it's cards and cards.com cards with a k there you go thanks for tuning in everyone we certainly appreciate with with everyone go to goodreads.com fortress chris voss linkedin.com fortress chris voss chris voss one the tickety-tockety and chris voss facebook.com thanks

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