The Chris Voss Show - The Chris Voss Show Podcast – Fifty Shades of True Crime: Sex, Drugs, and Killer Kink by Douglas Fifer

Episode Date: October 5, 2024

Fifty Shades of True Crime: Sex, Drugs, and Killer Kink by Douglas Fifer Amazon.com Dougfifer.com The primary sex organ is the brain, an unrelenting and powerful receptor of aphrodisiacs, hardwired to get down and dirty and capable of imagining anything. You might think doggy style or downloading porn is getting your freak on, but you are about to indulge in a different realm of freakish sexual behavior. It is impossible to properly prepare you for what is contained within this book. What you are about to read and see, you'll never be able to unread or unsee. Cops witness it all, and as a seasoned twenty-five-year law enforcement officer, I will lead you through some of the strangest and darkest moments of humanity. Buckle up for the ride of your life as Fifty Shades of True Crime sets into motion a bizarre trajectory of next-level carnal knowledge. You'll never look at your neighbor the same way, you'll wonder about your best friend, and you'll imagine what your coworker does behind closed doors. Deviant sexual behavior is part of our human psyche, and as offensive as it may seem to some people, it happens in your community. Usually, the private world of people's lives remains undisclosed, but those secrets will come alive as you explore these real-life events. You'll get the opportunity to play "Name That Crime," a soul-searching experience that lets the reader pick a perp's perversion. "The Last Climax" will uncover what happens when we exceed the human limits of hypersexuality. And finally, if you want to spice up your love life, "Teachable Tidbits" is a step-by-step tutorial filled with naughty nuggets. Proceed with caution as you discover that your sexual desires might not be so freaky after all . . . or maybe they are?About the author Doug Fifer is a retired Alaskan police officer who specialized in crime scene analysis, deviant sexual crimes, hostage negotiations, and various special assignments throughout his twenty-five-year career. He started in law enforcement with the Anchorage Police Department in 1996 and retired in 2021. Born in the small town of Homer, Alaska, Doug and his wife, Kim, raised their children in the Anchorage area. His family originates from southeast Alaska, mainly around the Ketchikan area. He is Tlingit Indian and heavily connected to his Alaska Native culture and heritage. Doug and Kim are also avid oenophiles who started a wine business in Anchorage in 2007. Alaskans have a passionate love for the outdoors, and the Fifer family is no exception. Fishing, hiking, snowboarding, and extreme sports top their list. Their family dog, Malbec, is considered one of the kids and snowboards a bit too. As the author of Fifty Shades of True Crime, Doug brings to life stories so bizarre, so intense, and so twisted that the reader will be left speechless. This is not your run-of-the-mill true crime; it's straight from the source, an author-led journey into how far some will go to achieve their sexually freakish desires. You’ve never read a book quite like this one; it’s a cringeworthy reality check on humanity. You might think you can handle the truth, but this cop’s truth is as savage as it gets. When asked about the stressors of being a cop, Doug replied, “Humor plays a key role in keeping your sanity, not just in law enforcement but life in general.” His writing certainly reflects this philosophy, as Doug believes in taking life seriously—just not too seriously.

You wanted the best. You've got the best podcast. The hottest podcast in the world. The Chris Voss Show. The preeminent podcast with guests so smart you may experience serious brain bleed. The CEOs, authors, thought leaders, visionaries, and motivators. Get ready. Get ready. Strap yourself in. Keep your hands, arms, and legs inside the vehicle at all times, because you're about to go on a monster education rollercoaster with your brain. Now, here's your host, Chris Voss. Hi, folks. It's Voss here from thechrisvossshow.com. Ladies, don't look at the big show. When the Our Lady sings, that makes it official. Welcome, We will turn the clock new hot author coming off the shelves 50 shades of true crime sex drugs and killer kink just came out july 16 2024 douglas pfeiffer is on the show with us today douglas did i get your last name

correct yep pfeiffer you got it perfect 50 shades of true crime sex drugs and killer kink and no it is not a documentary of p diddy's freak Freak Fest, which is going on right now. But there's still time. You know, maybe that's book two. Anyway, pass the baby oil. So we'll be talking with Doug as he's on the show. The P. Diddy baby oil jokes. There's just no end to them at this point. It's just, it's going to go on forever.

Doug is a retired Alaskan police officer who specializes in crime scene analysis, deviant sexual crimes, hostage negotiations, and various special assignments throughout his 25-year career. He's a highly decorated investigator, and he's negotiated with serial killers, solved homicides, and worked real-life cases that will shock you to the core. He started in law enforcement with the Anchorage Police Department in 1996 and retired in 2021. I just like to, for the record, say it wasn't me, whatever happened. Anyway, welcome to the show. How are you, Doug? I'm fantastic. I know it wasn't you, but I can still pin it on you, Chris. Shit. Wow. That got dark quick. Wow. Check, please. So, Doug, give us your dot coms.

Where can people find you on the interwebs? Yeah, real simple. It's dougpfeiffer. Check, please. So, Doug, give us your dot coms. Where can people find you on the interwebs? Yeah, real simple. It's DougFiverr.com and that's just D-O-U-G-F-I-F-E-R dot com. You can watch the book trail or find all out about me. Everything's there. Yeah, and please don't pin anything on me. I had enough of that at the Freakfest PDD

parties. Anyway, yeah, there's lots of pinning going on, I guess. Pegging? Pinning? What? Anyway, give us a 30,000 overview of, yeah, there's lots of pinning going on, I guess. Pegging, pinning, what? Anyway, give us a 30,000 overview of, boy, this is one hell of an episode. Give us a 30,000 overview. What's in your new book, Fifty Shades of True Crime? Yeah, the title, as you can tell, it's based off Fifty Shades of Grey. And what I did is my 25-year career, I took the most sexually deviant cases I ever worked

and took them all, put them together into a book. It's similar to the 50 shades of gray style, but these are all true crime cases. They actually happened. Criminal charges or, you know, sex, drugs, and killer kink either lived or possibly you died in some of this. So I really put it all together and it's a play on words, but the book is is is really key on those deviant sexual aspects of human psyche drugs sex and what was it kink sexual killer kink that's just fridays around here at the chris voss show and you you wrote this book and evidently it's doing really well who likes it most the men or the ladies not even close it's going to be the ladies and i'd say the that 40 to 60 year old is the

sweet spot and as far as the website goes they're the most interactive on the website meaning they ask some really intricate and detailed questions about these crimes so they read the book and it's it's not surprising but overwhelmingly it's the women you need to have a private patreon or something a group where you talk about the stuff that you have that much interest. That is pretty wild, dude. Yeah. The big thing is the book clubs contact me. And the new thing is have the author with the book club. So you'll go on Zoom or in person with a group of 15 women and they'll really dig deep into the book and you kind of talk through it. But they love doing that now. Does the camera lenses ever fog up anyway i don't know i've been married a bit can't get divorced so i'm gonna stay that way that's true but you're talking about these hot

scenes in the book so now when you say 50 shades of true crime is this an assemblage of different stories from your career or is it all kind of one character and and plot line yeah no it's gonna it's gonna be all over the spectrum of my career so there's probably about 18 to 20 cases featured in the book but we're gonna go from everything from fetishes to paraphilias to bestiality to necrophilia to the to killer kink and that's the type of kink that you engage in that you don't survive. Obviously, you die under killer kink. So it's the whole gamut of sexual acts. And what I like to tell people is these are your next door neighbors, these are your co-workers, these are your best friends. You never know what happens behind closed doors. As an investigator, I got to see firsthand. And 25 years later, some of the stuff still shocked me. So I put it all

in a book for people to read, and it's pretty interesting. You probably have plenty of books in you over 25 years, too. Got a few for sure. Yeah. Killer kink. I imagine that's something people don't go into willingly, or are there some people that are like, I really want to be in a snuff film? I don't know. Sounds like a movie I saw.

Yeah, killer k kinks mainly the auto erotic asphyxiation so most of most of that is accidental yeah uh where and for your listeners that don't know that's where you restrict the oxygen flow to have a better orgasm yeah in essence choking yourself but some people do it so well that they don't recover from that and law enforcement finds them dead in that position. And that's autoerotic. There's a lot of different ones. There's total enclosure fetishism.

That's where you put yourself in extremely tight spaces for sexual gratification. And sometimes you don't make it out of those tight spaces. So anything. That's what I'm saying. So it's all over the spectrum on those type of acts. Only though there was no sex. Anyway, I don't know what that means. So,'s all over the spectrum on those type of acts. Only there was no sex. Anyway, I don't know what that means. So, you know, guys, what was it?

The INXS, INXS singer, you know, he was found hanging from a doorknob. And I don't think it was an intention to die. Maybe there was the karate guy. Baradun, yep. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, I love watching him in Kung Fu growing up and stuff. But I think that happened to him. I think Robin Williams really wanted to go.

I don't know. I mean, I guess nobody knows really when it comes down to it. But, yeah, there's a lot that goes on. And, yeah, stuff goes wrong. So what do you find people gravitate the most or is the most, I don't know, the most salacious stories that people tend to gravitate in most through is the most i don't know the most salacious stories that people tend to gravitate in the book too i think they're fascinated that some some of the suspects or the actors in the book are everyday people in the community you know in alaska we're big in the

oil industry so you might have oil executives businessmen and women so people that are just mainstream society that then are discovered in these, let's just face it, awkward positions or deceased or caught in these acts. I think that's the most shocking to the community, meaning that people knew them very well and never had an inkling that they had these fetishes on the side. That's what I always, you know, I get as a law enforcement officer, I always get kind of a smile because they would say that that individual, there's no way they could be involved in this. And I must have got it wrong. And trust me, we rarely got it wrong. I suppose they try and present themselves as morally above the rest of us. Like anytime you have a preacher who's talking about gay guys are bad and doing things is bad, he seems to be the one that gets caught.

You know what I mean? It's always the people trying to portray themselves as the moral high ground. Do you find that's consistent or is that just a perception of some of these people? No, that's almost spot on. And actually, yeah, those individuals that, you know, when we investigate a criminal complaint or a crime that would profess that over and over again, my spidey sense as a cop would go up even more. And I would, I would focus more on that individual.

And nine times out of 10, they had some part in it. So when they overdo it in that, in that nine times out of 10, they had some part in it. So when they overdo it in that avenue, investigators key on it and they're likely involved. Not always, but I think you're pretty close on your thinking. Yeah. I mean, it just always seems that way. I mean, anytime I see someone denouncing something, you're like, they'll be in the news next week, I'm sure, involved in whatever know i think there was a famous there was a famous pastor who was like he gave stuff is bad blah blah blah and you know he just wouldn't shut up about it and then they finally caught him with meth and you know in a gay massage

parlor multiple times and you're like you know it could be you yep no that doesn't surprise me what's that online thou dost protest too much my dear from shakespeare so tell us a little about yourself i mean did you were you always writing did you maybe have a penchant for writing in your youth did you discover this as you got older imagine you wrote a lot of reports as a police officer what did you see this in your future tell us kind of about your journey through life what made you want to become a police officer and stay a police officer, maybe down that road and how you got here? Sure. Yeah. First of all, cops hate writing. So we'll get that out up front. Writing reports is the worst thing, obviously necessary to document, you know, the crimes and get to a jury and all that kind of good stuff. But I was born in Homer,

Alaska, which is a really small town of about 5,000 people. I always wanted to do a job that had some action, some adrenaline part of it. And Alaskans are really outdoors. You know, we hunt, we fish, we hike. So I wanted something where I could be out in the community. So I moved to Anchorage, had applied with the Anchorage Police Department in 1996

and the Alaska State Troopers. Those are two big law enforcement entities. Both have had little shows on TV time to time. The Anchorage Police Department hired me first and the troopers offered me a job a week later, but I'd already accepted the first job. And so I started my career then I did. I finished my 25 years. But what I found most exciting is the job always changes. You work in different units. You have different specialties. Every four to five years, I would change to something else to kind of cross train myself as a cop and become a better investigator. So I really worked the gamut in 25 years.

The way the book came about is, you know, about halfway into my career, you go to cocktail parties or friends' houses, and non-law enforcement would ask you, what's the strangest, freakiest case you had? And so you tell them about a cool robbery, maybe a homicide, and they'd be like, no, no, what's something sexual that happened that's weird? And then you get into it, and that's all they cared about. They didn't care about the robberies. They didn't care about the homicides. They would just ask you multiple questions on these really deviant sexual cases.

And they would start an only fans channel and just read the book. I'm telling you, you might. And to see, they would, they would want more questions and, and would tell me you should write a book someday. At first I thought,

who's going to read this book. I mean, this is really dark and dirty. I don't know if I'll read it. And then as I got more and more years into it, I was like, you know what? When I retire, I'm going to write a book. Long story short, the interesting thing about this book is I wrote it in about three months post-retirement. I went to the six major publishers in the US. They all loved the book, but they all wanted a timeout to review it because the material is so raw. And one by one, they rejected me as an

author in the book. They just couldn't publish it. But Fifty Shades of Grey is fine and your book's not? That's what I mean. It's real. It's true crime. So it's not fictional. So they didn't quite get there. Finally, I found a publisher that grabbed it and it's just exploded in popularity to date, which I'm very happy for. But I'm a little biased as an author. I think it's a good read, but I think it shocks people knowing what happens in every day in every town USA. This stuff happens everywhere. And so the book kind of details that out mainly in Alaska, but I do reference some cases throughout the U.S. Wow. That's really wild because we book a lot of Simon Schuster, Penguin Random House, all the variations that are out there.

And, you know, we've had a lot of these types of books on the show. They're usually written by women. Oh, there's some discrimination going on there. 50's Years of Grey was written by a woman, wasn't it? I on there was 50 50 degrees written by a woman wasn't it i think so i think you're right yeah what the fuck dude i've had some romance novels on that have those covers that are just are just soft core porn on the covers and they're wonderful people but you know you look at the cover and of course we have discussions of what's a little bit in the book and you know there's a lot of naughtiness going on in there that's kind of wild man that's

kind of yeah there's there's a lot of naughtiness going into my book and it's all it's all real life naughtiness and i think that's where the publishers these are actual cases so they got a little bit freaked out but again i think i think this is something yeah the second round i think they'd be fine now because they see the audience likes the book and that's how it always works yeah you're gonna build a hell of an audience man just get a facebook group and i was even joking recently because so many women love the sound of my voice when i not post covid i'm still recovering my voice from covid last two weeks but i was joking about how i should just go on tiktok and just read romance novels you know i'm happily married but you got one hell of a sexy voice chris

i'm not your no homo that's anyway that's the only joke i can come up with there folks let me ask you this you know in alaska you guys have that thing where one part of the year like it's just the sun's up all the time and the next part of the year i think the the sun's down all the time if i understand correctly does that does that make some more weirdness stuff go on there up in alaska than maybe other cities i think it does yeah there's no doubt about it even the lack of light or too much light, I think we can put that aside. Think of it at eight months of solid winter, a lot of darkness. Yeah, you can't, a lot of activities you can't do it.

I mean, it's extremely cold out. So you get into drugs, alcohol, family members, couples are closed in houses and apartments together. So you get, you know, tempers flare. So I think Alaska has a unique flavor of crime because of that, just because of the weather conditions. You're talking about the pure daylight and the darkness. Anchorage gets about 22 hours of sunlight on summer solstice during the summer,

which is cool. But we have a town called Ukiahabek, which is the farthest north you can go in Alaska. The sun sets in November. It doesn't rise again until the end of January. So imagine those residents you're in pitch black for several months. That's kind of hard to deal with. So I think it certainly affects the crime in Alaska. Wow. That is crazy. Um, that is crazy, man. And it's crazy. and i imagine i would imagine that's just you know just leaves room for some sexual you know if you're in darkness and all the time you know i mean it's a depression i mean i i've i live in utah and and just being in the winter sometimes you get cabin fever you know you get a little weird where you're just like i gotta get out and do something you know

nothing that i want to kill people not yet at least when there's still time but you know trying trying i try and avoid anything that gets me arrested i'm kind of i really don't want to be in a cell with pd and and r kelly because that just does not sound like a fun place to be for me well i don't think i do well in prison, Chris. I'm with you on that. You and I, man. The closest I ever got to prison one time was decades ago. I went to a Raiders game as a Raiders fan. It was the Raiders versus San Francisco 49ers.

It was literally just fights. We had 10 fights within 20 feet of us. People flying down. It was like living on a prison yard that was unregulated. And I've never been so scared in my life. And I'm a Raiders fan. Still a Raiders fan.

All right. I think you're 500 this year. You're 2-2, so maybe there's a chance. Yeah, there's never a chance. It's tough being a Raiders fan. Could be a Browns fan, so that's fine. Or the Bills. That's true.

Anyway, at least we got a super bowl what else haven't we talked about your book what's the future bring is there any plans to put out a second book i mean imagine you some limited stories yeah the first book again is going to cover the real deviant sexual stuff and there's a lot of interesting cases in there the second books i or subsequent books i think will focus more. I've had some interrogations, hostage negotiations with serial killers. So I think I'll focus the second book on some more traditional true crime. What I wanted to do in this initial book is kind of break out of the box a little bit. There's 10,000 true crime books written by cops out there.

There is no true crime book written in the shades of true crime focusing on sexual deviancy. So I wanted to break out of the mold a little bit establish an audience i will certainly bring some more traditional true crime serial killers interrogations fascinating cases that i worked long term in future books but this is really one to get out of the box separate myself as a true crime author former law enforcement and then go from there all right it sounds like you could build a really great community of followers from what you're doing with women, interacting with them, start a Facebook group, Patreon. I know that the people that come on the show that are novels, romance novels, and just normal novels like stories and

stuff, it's just amazing how rabid their followings are and how much they really love that stuff. I mean, I've often sat and thought, why am I writing business books? I should write novels. Because people love it. And they love the escapism of it, the entertainment of it. It's probably the same reason a lot of women watch those murder shows. What are they called? True crime documentaries.

True crime documentaries yeah and you're just like you're just like some you know anytime i see some some people that are like really into it you're just like i don't i don't know how you affect i think i've asked some some of the true crime novelists on the show i'm like does your husband not sleep with his eye open watching you at night keep an eye on on you. Cause I would. I think that's true. Crime's a hot category now. There's no doubt about it. So lucky to be in that genre writing books,

but some of the questions and feedback I get on my website, you know, for a long time, it even shocks me. Some of the things women ask you just point blank on your website. So it is interesting, but it's a hot topic. I get it.

It's a good, good place to be at right now. If you want to sell books and talk about real-life cases. Wow. That is wild, man. That is wild. But, you know, I guess, what are you going to do? Anything more we want to tease out on the book before we go, what you're doing there?

And I don't know if you want to tease out any stories maybe that were salacious or you know salacious enough we can put it on youtube yeah the the book's going to talk a lot about fetishes and paraphilias and it it has the gap the spectrum of all of it you know i have some feel you if you don't mind me interrupting i'm sorry yeah the paraphilia is so fetish is is like a sexual gratification where it's strongly linked to an activity that's quasi normal-normal, depending what it is. A paraphilia is persistent and intense and to where it probably inflicts harm on yourself or somebody else. So let's take something like sexual sadism. That's the act of inflicting pain on somebody for your own sexual gratification.

That's a paraphilia. If you like autoerotic, like breath play, that may be a fetish, not as serious as other, but I talk about those throughout my book. But interesting cases is I had a, this was one of my best and my most memorable is as a hostage negotiator, I was sent to a call and the female in the house had sent out a message to the hospitals, her doctors, that she was going to come there and kill everybody in the hospital. Obviously, police respond. She had a loaded firearm. We make contact with her and talk her out to keep her safe, why she wants to kill people, all this.

She had a fetish for lust murder, meaning that the thought of killing somebody actually sexually aroused her. But during the conversation as negotiators, you want to find out everything about the individual. I don't care what it is, sexual preferences, political preferences, what jobs you work. In the course of this conversation with her, and she knew I was a negotiator from the police department. She told me that she was a Hollywood celebrity and actually was in a Playboy centerfold. Now, as a negotiator, I paused the phone because I was communicating. And with my other negotiator, we kind of laughed out loud because there's no chance in hell that she was a Playboy bunny. Long story short, after about two hours of negotiation, we got her to come out safely. She had a loader firearm.

She gave up. And then we typically negotiators leave, but our SWAT team said, hey, you might want to come in and look at this. So he came in the house and lo and behold, she was an actual Playboy bunny, pictures with Hugh Hefner and her centerfold above her bed. Her kink was the thought of murdering somebody sexually aroused her. Now this was many years past her centerfold, let's keep in mind. But it always fascinated me that you never know. It's like the Playboy interview, huh? Yeah, it didn't make that. But you never know who you're going to negotiate with. So that kind of taught me a great lesson as a cop because I didn't believe her.

You never know. You never know with people. I guess Hugh Hefner dodged a bullet there, as it were, literally. That is weird. And maybe, you know, you've seen some of these women that have i don't know about guys but there's some of these i i i think it's surprised it's still surprising me to see women do it i still have kind of a a a blind spot for the women have really changed and become masculine last in a lot of years but you see a couple of these women that there's there's recent women that have

killed the guy there's one there's one guy she locked her guy up in a piece of luggage because i guess it was her kink or something and then she died in the luggage and she just laughed and took pictures the whole time i guess that's part of that geez okay note to self don't date anyone with the kill person fetish that's not what i need that was my first five marriages it's crazy man you give me stuff to think about but yeah i don't know i guess i guess note to self if you find a gal who's got 50 shades of true crime on her on her desk pull up your pants and run. Be careful. I tell in the book and I tell people that I talk to that sex is biological. It's a physical feeling, there's no doubt. But sex really isn't about sex. It's about power. So I detail that in my book. I really focus on the human

psyche because these are some wicked, wicked individuals. So it's a power play for them. It is the act, of course, like it is for anybody. But it's really that power play in the sexual domination or the deviant behavior. So it's very extreme. I mentioned in this, if you think that missionary style or downloading porn is outrageous, it's probably not the book for you. It's probably the most famous thing ever. Yeah, if you can handle that, you're going to be okay with the book but again it's extreme but what's going to be shocking these are 100 true documented cases

yeah most of which that i work personally so i kind of lead you through from start to finish it's the real deal do you do you when you talk about the cases you talk about what just happened or do you get into whether they were convicted and and the you know the the court sort of timeline of it so it's the full the full gamut of that what i do the first chapter it's going to be name that crime that's an interesting chapter what i do these are all sexual crimes but i show you a booking photo or a crime scene photo and i give you three criminal statutes that that individual or crime scene could have committed, you kind of guess which one, then you're going to read the story and find out

which really happened. So it's interactive to start. And then I go into more traditional storylines and cases. You're always going to find out what happened to the perpetrator, suspect or victim in there. But again, it's not traditional where we're going to go through court documents, all of that. It's pretty matter of fact. And we get to the end points on each cases pretty quickly, but fascinating set of circumstances on each one that get you there. Wow. All right, folks, if you love that sort of stuff, order up the book or find books are sold. Thank you very much for coming to the show. We really appreciate it. DougGibster.com as we go out. Yep. Thanks, Chris. It's DougPfeiffer.com. D-O-U-G-F-I-F-E-R.com.

You can watch the book trailer. The book's available everywhere. Books are sold at Amazon, Barnes & Noble, bookstores, so wherever you want to get it, audio, e-book. So check it out. I hope the listeners and the readers like it. And they can interact with you on the website. So if you like hearing from readers, that sounds great.

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