The Chris Voss Show - The Chris Voss Show Podcast – Five Birdies by Rosie Bumgardner, Warner McGee

Episode Date: February 19, 2026

Five Birdies by Rosie Bumgardner, Warner McGee https://www.amazon.com/Five-Birdies-Rosie-Bumgardner/dp/148973600X One sunny day, five colorful birdies set out on a bright adventure. Carl is a red cardinal, Oscar is an orange oriole, Connie is a yellow canary, Patsy is a green parrot, and Buster is a blue bluejay. Join the five birdies on their colorful trip to the park and help them explore their surroundings. Do you see something else on the page that is red like Carl or blue like Buster? This beautifully illustrated book will delight children by making learning fun and engaging. Interactive questions will encourage children to be curious, to search and find and to explore the world around them as they learn about colors and numbers.

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Opinions expressed by guests on the podcast are solely their own and do not necessarily reflect the opinions of the host or the Chris Foss show. Some guests of the show may be advertising on the podcast, but it's not an endorsement or review of any kind. Today's featured author comes to us from Books to Lifemarketing.co.com. dot UK. With expert publishing to strategic marketing, they help authors reach their audience and maximize their book's success. She is the author of the book to come out, August 10th, 2021, called Five Birdies by Dr. Rosie Bumgardner. We're going to get into with her and find out some of the deeds and

some of her experience, some of the ways she helps make people's lives better, and she can help you make yours better too. I've seen some of your guys is live. You need some help out there. I need some help out there. I think we all need help, really, at this point. Dr. Rosie Bumgarner is a former schoolteacher with 35 years, wow, of dedicated service to the field of education. She must really enjoy educating, because I've seen some of those kids. No, I'm just kidding. She holds a bachelor's degree in English, a master's degree in school administration, a doctor degree in organizational leadership. As a child, Rosie did what was available in the house with plenty of books. Her Parents made sure there were always books in the house as they emphasized the importance of education.

Additionally, growing up in South Texas, where the temperature in the summer can raise well about 100 degrees, she and her brother would walk to the library to stay cool in the air-conditioned building. These two combined helped nurture a love of reading, hence her desire to become a teacher, understanding the importance of early literacy and keeping children engaged and interested in reading through fun and interactive stories. Her children's book, Five Birdies, is inspired by a bedside. time game. She played with her daughter, Jenny, when she was little. Welcome the show. Doctor, how are you? I'm doing

well. Thank you. And Rosie, do you want me to call you a doctor or Rosie through the show? Doctors always... Oh, Rosie. Rosie's fine. Okay, because if I call you a doctor, then I have to ask you if this thing on my arm is infected. No, I'm just... You can't help you there. I'm sorry.

You know, it's turning green and pushing. I'm sure it'll be fine. I'll put a little the sporm on it. So, gillus.com's website, social media. Where do you want people to find out more about you on the interwebs. First of all, Instagram, rosy. com, bumgarner. You can find me there.

Facebook, same name, Rosie, bumgarner. I'm in the process of launching a website that will be titled inspiring optimism.com where I hope to engage with audiences in regards to speaking and author visits. So that's coming soon. So again, inspiring optimism. And I do run a home bakery also. So harvestsflipa bakery. dot org is another thing I do.

So a couple different ways that you can you can find me. And LinkedIn, definitely LinkedIn. Rosie.com Gardiner you can find me there as well. What kind of bakery goods to you? Please. What kind of bakery goods do you make? I'm kind of hungry right now, I think.

They're delicious. They're seasonal. Whatever's in season at the time. Right now, it's all Valentine's for the most part. So, yeah. Anything with sugar and it usually is good for me. Let's get into your book. Give us a 3,000 overview.

What's inside it? It's an adorable, adorable children's picture book called Five Birdies. And the history behind the making of the book is my daughter and I used to play a game when she was little. As a school teacher, I was predominantly a middle school teacher. And unfortunately, it always broke my heart when I would, you know, come across children who at middle school were still not able to read well or comprehend what they're reading. And so I was literally reading to my daughter when I was carrying her in the wound. And as soon as she was born, we were all reading to her because I was determined that she was going to be a reader when she started school.

And she was. And so like parents typically will read a story to their child when they're going to bed. We would do that, of course. But other times instead of reading a story, I tell her, okay, sweetie, tonight we're going to make up a story and she'd get all excited. And I'd ask her, okay, who do you want the characters to be? because I wanted her to know what the word characters meant. So I'm teaching her literary elements as a toddler. And so I'd explain what I meant by that.

And I'd say, okay, who are the characters? Who's in the story? And she said, five birdies. Okay. So then I'd ask her, what's this setting of the story? And again, I wanted her to know what the word setting meant. So then I'd ask, where are they? And she said, here's the park.

Okay. So therein began the beginnings of the story of these five birds and go on an adventure to the park and encounter all kinds of wonderful things. So that is how the story came to life. Five birdies. Yes. And they're all different colors. What is the setting behind that? The thing is, because I moved so much in my life, due to military, my husband's military obligations, I always, you know, I tend to grow where I'm planning.

So I go to a new school. They needed an English teacher. I was an English teacher. They needed a gifted ed teacher. I became a gifted ed teacher. And so having that experience as a gifted ed teacher, you know, where we work with children, I mean, all children are extremely bright. And with gifted children, you know, it's extremely important that we keep them engaged,

not just gifted children, all children for that matter. And so I wanted to create a story that children are not just sitting down listening. That's beautiful. Yes, you're exposing them to literature. you're exposing them to reading. That being said, when you can make the story interactive and actively engage them, it becomes a game. It becomes joyful. It becomes happy.

And that's what we want children to experience when they read, so they develop a love of reading. So I wanted to make a story, create a story where each little bird arrives to the park. And yes, there's five birdies. She chose the color. She wanted a red birdie, a green birdie, a blue birdie. And so I had to then do some research. Okay, what's the blue bird? a blue jay.

It's a green bird. There's a parrot. And what's a yellow bird? There's a canary. So that's how those colors came to be. And so there's five little birds of those five different colors. And the interactive component of that is when one little bird gets to the park, you know, let's say Carl the cardinal, the red cardinal gets to the park.

He sees something that's the same color that he is. And he'll say, in the story, he'll ask, hey, that swing is red just like me. do you see something else that's red just like me? And so my daughter would be searching, and there's a red ladybug. But it doesn't end there. After she would find that other thing that was the same color as the bird and the swing, in this case, she'd run around all over the house looking for things that were red. She'd go into her drawers and pick out a red sock.

She'd go in the kitchen and pick up a red plate. She'd go into the living room and get a red ball. So every little bird is like that. You have Carl the red cardinal, Connie. the yellow canary, Patsy the Green period, Buster the Blue Jay, and then Oscar the orange Oriole. So they each get to the park, they see something that's the same color they are, and they'll ask you, you know, what else do you see that's orange, that's red, that's blue, and there's something hidden in that.

It's not really hidden, but it's there, and you have to play that game of Seek and fine, and that in itself brings tremendous joy for a child. Yay, they found the hidden thing. And then the part of playing, you know, what else do you? find that's the same color. So the story, if just read, will last all of five, eight minutes. But if you make it this fun, interactive game that you play with children, it keeps them engage. It becomes a game. They love the interaction. You're building strong relationships with your children. And so it's just an amazingly engaging fun story to read and for the children to listen to and then run around all over the house looking for things.

Ah, so you have them run around the house and look for other things in the house that aren't in the book, and then they can see the colors and identify what they are. That's pretty brilliant. You know, being able to explore your surroundings and see your surroundings, you know, a lot of, we always encourage children reading on the show. We have lots of children's book like yours. And it's so important in their brain development. Because I've been on Twitter and seen people that weren't read to as children,

Twitter callback, Joe. And, you know, it's so, it's so critical for them to be able to learn things. You know, I used to drive down the road with my buddies in the car when we were teenagers, you know, how you'd kind of cruise around, at least in my day you cruised around, you cruise them down to stay street. And I would see everything on the street. I would, oh, this person's walking over there, oh, that person's falling down, or this person's drinking something. And I would see stuff. And I would tell my friends, hey, did you see that?

You know, sometimes it was a girl. You know, hey, you see that girl? We just passed. Oh, no, we did. We were looking on. And I'd be like, did you see the car accident in over there? No. And I was, I would kind of learn very early on that I would have this way of seeing things. And in, in the end, it really turned out great for business because I could see outside of a box. Yes. And a lot of people get this close-minded, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those, those horses have, have to, they can't see too far outside. And they have to just face forward. And I found that a lot of people have that kind of a tunnel vision at life. They can always kind of see, you know, very select things. But, you know, learning to see outside of the box of that tunnel vision or just you're, be aware of your surroundings. It really helps you learn. I think it helps you grow. It's made me a better business person. It's made me innovate because I can, you know, if I'm trying to innovate something for my companies or trying to develop something, I can see outside of the box.

I can try and see things that I can't see and look outside of my scotomas of blind spots. And so I love that. I love that. I love that. And thank you for saying that and for pointing that out, Chris, because you're absolutely right. You are absolutely right, especially, you know, in where we're at with technology and so much screen time that, you know, going outside and playing and interacting with your environment and all of that, unfortunately,

you know, is much less than it used to be. So that was one of the intents behind this book because it inspires you to go out and wonder. And unfortunately, you know, the sense of awe, the sense of wonder, the sense of creativity, those are some of the most intellectual skills that a child can have that just continues to develop if you continue to learn to that over time. And like you just said, it helps you mentally because, you know, you're able to think outside the box. You're a divergent thinker where you're looking for, you know, other things other than what's obviously in front of you. And I love that you have those observation skills and you were able to detect those things that nobody else was able to.

that's a critical skill. And so that's one of the things that this book also does. It helps to inspire that awe, that sense of wonder, that sense of adventure, that sense of creativity, that we don't never want to lose. Because as children, we're born curious. Some of our first words are, why is the sky blue? Why does the bird say, why, you know, we want to know, we want to know, we want to know. And so we're naturally inquisitive. But unfortunately, over time and, you know, through life and schooling,

and what have you, we tend to lose that. And now with so much technology, even more, and we don't ever want to lose that sense of wonder and joy and curiosity. Because as you just said, it helps in so many facets of life. And I love that you're able to bring that back to your business because it allows you to think outside the box, which for some of us it comes naturally, but for a lot of us it doesn't.

And so when we expose children to literature that is interactive in that way and brings you into the story, in order to make the story come alive, you have to participate in it. And it's a fun thing they're doing. One, it motivates them to love reading. You know, my daughter, even when technology was becoming such a mainstay, you know, she still had books in her hand. She always had a book in her hand because I wanted her to love holding a book in her

hand and not ever lose that feeling. And so to this day, she reads, she reads, she still holds books in her hands. And so that is what I wanted to instill in her. and thank the Lord. She absolutely loves reading. And I remember a parent one time asked me, you know, Dr. Baumgartner, what, you know, my daughter just does not like reading. She has all these reading assignments and she just doesn't enjoy it.

I said, tell me about it. How does she do her reading assignments? She goes in her room, she closes a door and tells me she's reading. I said, there's a problem. And she's, what do you mean? I hope there's a problem and say, that's boring. I said, you know, take her out to a fun place and go to, go to Barnes and Noble, go to a cafe, buy her a little muffin, buy her a tea or a soda,

and have her do her reading later. That's because reading, she'd be enjoyable. The way you're presenting it or having her do it, I wouldn't want to do it that way. So that's what I did with my daughter. We would go out to eat. I would take her to a cafe while I was working on my dissertation. She'd bring her books with her and we're enjoying brunch while I'm writing and researching. She's reading and doing her homework.

But we're enjoying brunch at the same time. So again, read should be fun. And that was the whole intent behind this book, is to create something that was going to be fun and enjoyable, to motivate children to stay curious, stay adventurous, love reading, and continue to enjoy books. So definitely what you just said was spot on. We want to make sure we think outside the box. Encourage that and encourage that and encourage that divergent thinking that, you know, sees beyond the obvious. And yeah, and to look around and question your surroundings, you made a great point earlier

where you said that, you know, children are naturally curious. We seem to lose that when we become adults. You know, I'm always, I always think of the, there was the Pink Floyd video. We don't need no education. There's a, there's a, there's a, there's a shot from it where they're, you know, these, these children are walking as bots out of manufacturing assembly lines machines. And, you know, I see. so many people and I saw so many people growing up that, you know, they just became, they went from

these questioning, you know, curious children to these just lockstep adults. We do whatever the social tells us to do, you know, and there's kind of a, I mean, there's kind of a form to it. It's not fun to go to work, pay taxes and do all the stuff, but you got to do it. But, you know, still, you know, they seem to ditch the creativity and, you know, maybe it's because we become teenagers when we think we know everything. Maybe that's what starts it. Again, you know, you, again, you had a parent who was, who was a school teacher. That's amazing. And, you know, as parents, again, it's part of engaging with our children, you know, that being present, being present, giving full attention, full time, and interacting with whatever you're doing.

And so, again, you know, just to kind of show the book real quickly, five birdies, each page is like this. You'll have a little bird. This is Connie the Canary. gets to the park, sees that yellow tunnel. What else do you see that's yellow? And there's that little bumblebee. Every page will be this way. You turn, there's Patsy the Parrot.

See the merry-go-round, the green merry-gown. What else do you see that's green? And there's a little green worm. And every page is like that. And I do, it's also in Spanish. So we do have it in Spanish. So yes, absolutely. We want to keep that curiosity alive in our children

and continue to encourage that because that then just continues to evolve as they grow. And as we know, you know, creativity is just such an immensely beautiful trait. We want to nurture that and not let it go by the wayside. Yeah, and technology, again, there's so many ways to be created with technology. Yes, absolutely. However, we want to make sure that when we're exposed to print to, to, you know, books especially, that they're engaging in our children approach literature. with a love and not, oh, I got to read.

You know, the other point you brought up that made me kind of have an epiphany is the fact that you and your, I believe your brother would go to the library when you were kids for the air conditioning. Yes. And there's, and I realized me and my brother did that too. Sometimes I went alone. And being in that environment of a, of a, you mentioned, you know, going to Barnes and Noble bookstore or something like that with your child is a good idea too. Being around all those books really inspired.

curiosity because I would wander and be like, hey, what's in this section over here? What is this dewey decimal crap? I keep hearing about it. And so I would look for books and I'd find short stories and, you know, it's interesting how our generation grew up with that. We had to go to the library to get media. In fact, I remember when VCR tapes first came out, we couldn't afford, you know, my parents couldn't afford the VCRs because they were, you know, super expensive. So you could rent the tapes from the library of the like latest films that come out. And then we could watch him in a library room. But, you know, nowadays I see so many kids from a very young age, they're just handing an iPad or a phone. And they're just sitting there going,

walking the thing. I do that too, folks, on TikTok. I'm a huge fan. I'm a huge fan of libraries. I have moved so much in my life. First thing I do when I get to a new location is get a library card. I'm huge about supporting our local libraries. We don't ever want those to go away. So go get your library card, support your local library. And yes, you know, we grew up in South Texas, where, again, temperatures were, you know, up in the hundreds and, you know, grew up very humble, so we didn't have air condition. So my brother and I would walk two miles to the local library because it was air conditioned in there. What do you do in the library? You read. And so, and that was our initial exposure or, you know, how we spent a lot of our summertime times in the

library, but not only that, I have to give a tremendous tribute to my mom and my dad. You know, They were added readers. You know, we didn't have a lot growing up at all. We didn't have a lot of toys. The outdoors were, you know, our play with that we climbed the generation that climbed trees and played war and made mud pies and, you know, all that sort of stuff. That being said, you know, where our parents would not necessarily, could not afford to buy us toys. What they did spend their money on, though, were books. You couldn't find toys in our house per se, although we, you know, we did have a Barbie doll here and there.

But a tremendous amount of books. My mom had a full set of encyclopedias. We had the full set of the Animal Kingdom books from A to Z. My dad was an avid reader set the dinner table, always reading the newspaper, always, and then talking to us about what's going on, you know, locally. And so we were exposed to reading from the get-go because our mom wanted to make sure, you know, we did well in school, that we were readers and we enjoyed reading. So, again, you know, that is a tremendous tribute to my mom and my dad. I know there's five children were all highly educated.

And again, it was that initial love and exposure to literature and reading. And then, yes, my brother and I going to the library. In fact, you know, it's kind of funny now that,

you know, I just lost my mom a couple months ago. And, you know, I started this bakery shortly after she passed away. And I thought, you know, it's so funny.

One of the very first books that I ever checked out, my brother and I was just Christmas baking book. And it was, you know, had all these amazing recipes related to the holidays.

And there was this amazing recipe of a cinnamon reed, cinnamon roll Christmas reek. We loved it so much. We checked out the book, went home, showed it to our mom. She went out and bought the ingredients and she left us to the kitchen and my brother or not. It was the first thing we ever made this Christmas reek. But again, it was from this cookbook that we checked out. And there we go interacting with the books. And so again, we just fell in love with reading and all there is to books. So again, a big tribute to my mom and dad and those visits that we would take to the library because, you know, she would bring me into the kitchen and she'd help me make, help her make cupcakes and send

me around walking the neighborhood, you know, selling these cupcakes. Here I am, you know, much older now selling cupcakes again. It's kind of fun how it's kind of comes full circle. But yes, we didn't have a lot of toys, but we had a lot of books in the house for sure. And that just, you know, the ability to create that imagination or feed on that animation imagination that young children have. And they like animation, too. The great comics. What was the things we watched during the Sunday?

I don't remember it. The comics. The comics. What were the Sunday? Cartoons, yes. I'm old. I forgot what cartoons were evidently. Anyway, I can still remember Peppa of the Pew,

because girls creep me the same when I asked them out. Anyway, ew, gross. Anyway, with the books, I mean, just the insight of developing children's imagination. important and feeding that. And, you know, I mean, I'm as guilty as anyone at watching YouTube or TikTok. You know, you can throw rocks to me for being a hypocrite. But I think it's so important for children not to have that delusus, delulu moment where they're just watching whatever's being fed to them on YouTube or the image of the phone. The other thing is, is, you know, we've had scientists on the

show that talked about how the two-dimensional format of the phone, screens, social media, really mucks with our brain, really designed to get three-dimensional information. When I'm sitting across from you in person, I can, you know, I get all these different signals from you or information from you. You're smiling, how you're sitting, your posture, your eyes, and if you're looking at me, you're looking away. You know, there's a million things, and our brains are so used to compiling that data and using it. But with two-dimension, we don't have that because we lose that third dimension. And so it really mucks with our brains. With books like yours where you're encouraging them not only to read, but to get outside of the book and to look around their world, that just helps develop that imagination so much more, I think.

Absolutely. Absolutely. That could not agree with you even more. That is so true. And you're right. There's something about your hands, doing things with your hands, creating with your hands, that kinesthetic learning. I used to teach study skills also once upon a time. And I taught children to discover what their strength was,

whether they're auditory learners, visual learners, kinesthetic learners. And honestly, the best exposure, the best way to learn is all the above. And so with this book, again, I wanted you to be kinesthetic about it, hold it, run around, point, you know, and then the visual, the amazing colors of these five little birds, and the auditory, obviously listening to the story, be read to you, so it touches upon everything. I remember, again, another parent telling me, Dr. Bongarner, my child knows he needs to study,

but he just doesn't know how to study. I said, okay, let's talk about this. And so then I'd go into, you know, making those index cards, that repetition, that's saying it out loud, and a touch on the auditory, the visual, the kinesthetic. And so this book does that. It touches on all of those things. We want to make sure, as you just mentioned, some of the guests that you've had, nothing can take away from that interactive experience. We're a touchy-feely people.

You know, we have those five senses and you want to appeal to that versus just the visual. So that is ultimately, I think, the most enjoyable experience is when you can engage all of your senses and something. So let's talk about some of the offerings you're going to have on your website, some of the things you're going to do there and tease those out. Yeah. Go ahead. Absolutely. Like I said, it's going to be inspiring optimism.com as someone who, again, bachelors in the language arts, a master's in educational administration, and then the PhD in educational, or in organizational leadership, I feel, you know, there's still so much that I want to say. Retire doesn't necessarily mean we stop.

Again, I'm so anti-doing that. I want to share all of those experiences and what I've learned about keeping children resilient One of the things I'm the most proud of as an educator is, you know, in 35 years of being in education, I've sent three students to the office, only three in 35 years. When I was a vice principal, I remember sometimes I get, you know, a teacher send me three a day or 10 a week. And I have three and 35 years. And granted, you know, children are different these days. I understand that. But it's about building that relationship with that child and engaging in helping them feel, you know, noticed.

and worthy and valued. And I'm happy that you're here, even the most challenging of children. And so I want to be able to share some of what I've learned through my research working on my dissertation. My whole dissertation is about, you know, overcoming challenge. You know, I interviewed Hispanic women who achieved degrees because at the time Hispanics were the least educated.

I remember sitting in one of my initial doctorate level classes. And the professor outright saying, you know, at this level, you won't find Hispanics. I'm like, what? But I'm Hispanics. I raised my hand. I'm here. And he's really the only one. And I'm like, surely you can't be, you know, that can't be right. And sadly, unfortunately, when I did the research, he was at the time. At the time, less than 1% of Hispanics were achieving doctorate degrees. And so that pain to me. So I said out to research, you know, I want to interview people who have achieved degrees, you know, Hispanics who have achieved degrees. And I want to know what helped them get there. And so that's what my study is based on. So I put all that together,

created a framework where I hope to engage educators, leaders, organizations, and helping you help others feel inspired, feel engaged, feel, you know, that they can achieve. And I do that with all my children, all of my students. And so I want to be able to offer that as, you know, as a keynote speaker, as a speaker. So that's what will be showcased on the website. is, you know, speaking engagements that I come in, share my experiences, make it interactive. It's always about being interactive. I've been to many professional developments where we're just sitting there. And granted, I always take something away, but the more interactive you can make it, obviously, the better. And so that is what will be found on there, as well as, again,

author visits. It's always available to come and read a story and to children, to audiences, and definitely, definitely engage in that way, too. And they can reach out to you. What's the name of the website, what it would be called? It's going to be inspiringoptimism.com. That will be the website. But again, anybody can reach out to me on LinkedIn, rosy.com or just rosy bumgarner. And, you know, they can send me a message there.

But yes, the website will be inspiring optimism.com. Please reach out to me. I've got a lot to share as far as, you know, how to inspire people to be better and do better, quite frankly. The world needs more of that. We need to lift each other and inspire each other. or more. Definitely. What's what I'm trying to do on this show.

And you're doing your book. Any future series coming out for any future books or any maybe a series? Yes. I hope to have a couple more books. Ironically, they seem to be centered around birds. I don't know why. The next book that I hope to publish will also be about a bird, one bird in particular. So look forward to that, Dr. Rosie Bumgarner.

And I do have to give credit here to the illustrator, Warren McGee. He is an amazing friend, an amazing. illustrator did an amazing work with this with this story and still you know did it the old fashion way drawing it out and painting things out which to me again you know there's something that no way i can do i mean i can do amazing things but i still believe in you know doing things the old fashion way and so he did an amazing job creating these illustrations the book is as good as it is because of his work so again kudos to warner micky the illustrator of the book and i'm hoping to have him, you know, do the same artwork for my next book, which again will be about a little

owl. Look for that in the near future. And so, yeah, that'll be awesome. That'll be awesome. As we go out, give people your final pitch out for them to order the book, where five books are sold and all that good stuff. Absolutely. Amazon, book can be ordered through Amazon, book can be ordered through Barnes & Noble as well.

Those are the two main ways to get the book. So obviously, yes, please reach out and purchase the book. And I hope your children enjoy it as well as you do. I know when I used to have it displayed in my classrooms, I'd have my middle school students pick it up and they'd read it. And when they'd find the, you know, the worm or the butterfly, they're like, oh, I get it, Dr. Baumgart. I said, yes, very good.

And so that's the best feedback I've ever gotten. I get it. That's, that's it. Opening more minds and education. We need more of that. more critical thinking skills taught to kids. So thank you very much, Rosie, for coming the show. We really appreciate it.

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