The Chris Voss Show - The Chris Voss Show Podcast – From Kingpin to Kingdom by Andrew Kirkland

Episode Date: May 31, 2025

From Kingpin to Kingdom by Andrew Kirkland Fromkingpintokingdom.com Amazon.com He built an empire on power, pride, and profit—until it all came crashing down. This is the story of what God rebuilt in its place. From the outside, Andrew Kirkland had it all: money, influence, and the respect that comes with ruling the streets. But behind the first-class flights, fast cars, and criminal enterprise was a soul on the run—haunted by shame, driven by fear, and suffocating under the weight of control. From Kingpin to Kingdom is the raw, unfiltered story of a man who lost everything—and found something far greater. When prison bars, addiction, and betrayal left Drew at rock bottom, he cried out in desperation. That’s when God showed up. Not with condemnation, but with redemption. This isn't a polished tale of overnight change. It's a gritty, real-life journey of surrender, restoration, and a radical new identity in Christ. If you've ever wondered whether someone can truly change, this book is your answer. Inside you’ll find: The highs and horrors of street power and criminal life The breaking point that led to total surrender The slow, holy process of transformation A call to purpose for anyone who feels too far gone For fans of real redemption, deep faith, and unflinching honesty—this is your next must-read.Andrew Kirkland is a former drug kingpin radically transformed by the grace of God. Today, he's a speaker, mentor, and prison ministry leader passionate about helping men walk in freedom from addiction, incarceration, and shame. Through his debut memoir From Kingpin to Kingdom, Andrew shares his true story of destruction, redemption, and the relentless mercy of Jesus. He serves with Men of Valor, disciples men in recovery and reentry, and offers speaking and teaching through his website

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Some guests of the show may be advertising on the podcast, but it is not an endorsement or review of any kind. Today we have an amazing story of a young man. Andrew Kirkland joins us on the show may be advertising on the podcast, but it is not an endorsement or review of any kind. Today we have an amazing story of a young man. Andrew Kirkland joins us on the show. He's the author of his book that came out May 10th, 2025, From Kingpin to Kingdom. We're going to get into his story, what happened to him, his journey, and how he found redemption and is making the world a better place now. Andrew Kirkland is a former drug kingpin, radically transformed by the grace of God. Once driven by power, pride, and the illusion of control, he now serves as a speaker, author,

and prison ministry leader. His debut book tells the raw and redemptive story of how God rewrote his life. Today, he disciples men and boys walking on addiction and identity crises and shares a message of hope for those who feel far too gone. He is the founder of Redemption Road Press and regularly teaches in jails and recovery programs across Tennessee. He volunteers with Men of Valor, a nonprofit that equips inmates to connect with God, study scripture, and walk in full recovery through an after care program, boasting a recidivization rate of under 10%. That's pretty amazing. When you know, you know, recidivism rates for prison. One of the best in the nation. Through his book and mission, he aims to take

his testimony across the country and bring real hope to the helpless Welcome to show Andrew. How are you? I'm doing great. Best day yet Chris. Thanks for having me on these for coming. I love your attitude best yet I should say that every morning, huh? Exactly there's only one day that you got you don't have one day that you got, you don't have tomorrow, you only got today. That's true. You know, the present is the only time you couldn't really control right now. You can't fix the past. Whatever's in the past is the past.

And the only way to do adjust the trajectory of the future is this moment right now, what you do now. So give us any dot coms. Where do you want people to find you on the interwebs? Yeah, I have my own website. It's the same title as the book from Kingpin to kingdom.com. I offer services on there and a link to my book. So give us a detailed 30,000 over you.

What's inside your new book? Yeah, that's my debut debut book and it's it's my story a conglomeration I'd say anthology is not an autobiography from start to finish but it's Stories crazy stories how I became a drug dealer the different methods that I used Hopefully it's not a blueprint or a template for people. Also, crazier stories that go back about sex addiction, pornography, materialism, the disillusionment of it mean, it sounds like you've had quite the journey through life and now you're helping others by sharing it, talking about it, et cetera, et cetera. Tell us, tell us about this journey, about how, how did you end up being a drug kingpin? What was it that shaped your life maybe from youth, maybe had an influence on you

that kind of led you down some of these dark pathways? That's a great question. It started with just wanting to fit in and be accepted and approved by people. I had a big gap with my father being mostly out of my life and that basically led me into marijuana and that became an addiction. That addiction led into, you know, feeding that desire to want to be approved by people and being in drug circles. And, you know, you can fast forward that with the business degree. I became basically the Walmart of marijuana in the Nashville area. The Walmart of marijuana.

It's. It's not, did you have an addictive personality? There are people that have an addictive personality and they get addicted to everything and anything. Is that kind of something you, you had growing up? Absolutely. Both my mother and my father had alcoholism and I believe that is genetic and I, I've been an addict of everything. Thankfully, I'm hypoglycemic. Even being a veteran of the Navy, I can't drink very much at all. It's just like Nyquil to me.

If it weren't for that, I'd have been an alcoholic on top of a drug addict. Wow. Wow. Yeah, I was lucky enough that I have a very high tolerance for everything. I don't know why, except for penicillin. Like I could be dead and you can give me one pill of penicillin and I'm alive again. But everything else, you got to drink a lot, which means during alcohol, I drank a lot, but at night, but any of the drugs that kept me out of any of the drugs, cause they just weren't interesting at all because they just want to work. So really, really, that was kind of helpful. Yeah. Yeah. Cocaine.

Cocaine. I tried it once. It was like, it made me, it made me feel like I was sick with a, with a, with the post nasal drip and, and gave me about the same rush to get from coffee. Like it just every, I haven't tried a lot, but a lot of stuff they've tried. It's just like even aspirin, I have to say three or four Tylenol just to get it to work. So that kind of helped keep me out of some trouble. I feel you on that.

But it sounds like you still found trouble and got into it. And so was your dad in your life or not in your life? Was he, did you have a contentious relationship with him or just the non-existent one? My parents were married till I was 13. My father was 40. And I am his, I was his third marriage and his fourth child. My father lived a life of adultery and he was a womanizer. And that became the prime source of his acceptance and approval.

It was his relationships. And even though my mom and dad were married, he wasn't there when I was born. He was with other women the entire time. He would spend a week at home, a month with a woman. So that made the dynamic at home very confusing, very confusing. And I got to spend very little time with my dad. Wow. And a young man needs his father in his life, that's for sure.

Men need men to raise men. So in essence, how do you get involved in drugs and dealing drugs and building this kingpin kingdom. You have to start off small and you have to find sources that you can rely upon to get drugs from. Marijuana has always been very, very prevalent and almost every drug user uses that. So that's a good baseline and a good business model

if you're trying to make money. So I first started with one ounce at a time and it was basically to fuel my own addiction. If you buy an ounce of marijuana and break it into four pieces, you can sell three of them at street value and have yours for free. So that was my primary motivation in the beginning because as a marijuana

addict, you can spend $400 a month in personal use, which can pay a car note. And I just got tired of that. That was my initial start of wanting to do that. Now, getting the funds to get more and more and more as I was using it, that's when I found a good source that had I basically found the guy who was dealing and the guy above him and I made contacts with that guy. It was all on credit. It was basically all on credit. Wow.

Wow. And so were you, some people will get into drug dealing to fund their own habit. I've had friends that did that in their youth. Was that your case or were you just trying to make money and maybe prove yourself to your father? Was maybe some of that in there or make something yourself? You had a mission maybe to say, hey, I'm going to prove myself that I can be somebody and maybe get recognition from my father or maybe just get recognition for myself.

I always wanted my father to be proud of me. But the reason why I got into it to begin with was to fund my own addiction. But once that once I started to feel the nurturing of being approved of by my peers, that's what fueled what was missing from my childhood. I was able to feed into that acceptance of other people wanting attention from me. And that's what I nurtured the most through the drug dealing was being being the man that everybody wanted to talk to. Being the guy gives you lots of attention, gives you validation, makes you know, you

gives you self worth, people need you, etc, etc. And so you go through that, how many years did it take to get set up or did it take a lot of time or tell us about what that journey was like and then how did you maintain it? I mean, sometimes there's violence and other things that are maintained and keeping a territory on this sort of thing. Oh, I operated in the shadows mostly. And I basically started off with small time deals with just peers. And that led me into my first network of growing marijuana in the Nashville area. The one gentleman he had, he had some rental properties and it was a double wide trailer. Me and these other two gentlemen, we started to grow marijuana for several crops.

I was the chief laborer because I didn't have much money. And when that kind of piddled out, we ended up, one of the guys got busted and I ended up having to burn everything that was in the house. Didn't burn the house down, but I took everything outside, burned it all, then formulated a new plan with the other partner. We cut the other guy out, they got busted. And then we just started growing from that point on, growing, I mean, the business. Colorado and California were both legalized.

So that's when we started doing some transportation between those states. I took on the customers of the one partner and that's when my business started to just explode. Wow, there you go. And so how many years did that go and then what happened? What changed your life? What gave you that moment, that cathartic moment that made you go, I don't know about all this and maybe I should go someplace else. Yeah, from being an average smoker to running 50 pounds a week, that was about a four or five year span. I mean, I smoked so much marijuana at that time.

It's a surprise I remember anything. But I would say four or five years from making nothing to 60,000 a month. Wow. It was having everything that made me want to stop. Mm hmm. Yeah. Now, when you say having everything because you had everything or you were addicted to all this stuff and things are going on.

Just want to clarify that. Oh, it wasn't about the addiction. I mean, I was maintaining just a heavy marijuana addiction, but it was what I call the disillusionment of having everything. Oh, okay. Yeah. When you make $60,000 a month for years and years, you have the keys to the city. You can go anywhere and do anything and Every celebrity every millionaire if you look at their bios, they all say the same thing It's when you reach the top of the ladder you realize that the ladder is leaning on the wrong wall and

It's just it's not It's not what the world says that if you if you make all the money in the world that you're going to be happy. I wasn't happy once I got that point. It takes about three years. I give you about three years. If you won the lottery, Chris, if you won $100 million, three years, you'd say, I've had enough Mai Tai's time on the beach.

I've had enough vacations. There's nothing new under the sun. Pete Slauson Yeah, that's, you know, some people, they bask in the glory of it all. And then you kind of start maybe to feel like you're living in a golden cage where you're living in this place and you kind of have this great life. But you also, you know, you, you're brand new to the threat of prosecution. If you're, if you run up against the law and different things like that.

So those are all, those are all issues that can take and happen. I mean, some definite downsides there. So was there any crazy real life moment that made you walk away? Was there a cathartic event or just wake up one day and go, I don't really want to do this anymore. All right. It's kind of a long story, but it's, it's, it's, no, please don't. All right. All right. So the first prong was I would regularly do deals at Panera

bread. I would use it as a cover. So I'd have people just go into the back of my car and get a pound or five pounds of marijuana at a time. There's a gentleman that sits out selling those newspapers. You know, you see homeless people doing that, and he's got cerebral palsy really bad. He was in the Panera Bread one day, and I walked over to him boldly,

like I always speak to people, and I said, what are you doing selling papers? You need to be collecting disability. And what he told me was the first thing that shook me. He said, God gave me this body and I'm going to glorify him with it. And in that moment, it was like I knew what I was doing wrong. The psychopathy going inside my brain, I had a breakthrough, and it just made me feel like even I'm making all this money, it doesn't mean anything. I'm not giving anything back. All I'm doing is taking.

Second prong was the materialism. I had everything that I wanted. One time I was taking my son who was in my custody, I was taking him to one of the largest malls in the Nashville area. We had handful of bags and we were going to take them back to the car and unload them and go back inside the shop. And usually for people, that's a fun moment. You get to think about what you're gonna do when you get home with the stuff, unboxing the shoes,

how are you gonna wear the shirt, blah, blah, blah. For me, it felt like I could have just thrown it in a dumpster and it wouldn't have mattered at all. I just became blank to that feeling of materialism. And the third one was I met a beautiful woman. And it was the first woman that I had dated throughout this process who while we were dating, I found she didn't she didn't want any material possession. She didn't anything about money. It didn't it didn't impress her. It didn't impress her the power that I had. And finally, somebody wanted to be with me for who

I was. And that was, it took three major things for me to wake up and say, I need a change. Yeah. And what were those three things? It was the, it was the man with cerebral palsy, it was the materialism and it was a beautiful woman who's now my wife. Pete Slauson Well, definitely. Now, did she know about some of the other things you were up to and your extracurricular activities there or sort of thing? Chris Yeah, yeah, yeah. She didn't know when I asked for her number, but when I picked her up for my first date, and this is a story in the book, turns out my finance guy, one of my partners, he came in from Colorado out of town

as I was going to pick her up on our first date. My son called me and said, hey, so-and-so is here and he's here to collect money, which was a regular occurrence, but it was unscheduled. So in this business, you can't just say, you know, we needed to schedule a meeting. I'm sorry, this isn't good for me. It doesn't work like that. I had, I picked her up and I said, Hey, we're going to have to go back to my house. I have to take care of some business.

She said, okay. And we got there. She met my son who was 15 for the first time. And she met this Scallywag guy, my partner, who looked kind of like a mental patient who'd been released. And yeah, I said, we just need to count some money really quick and then we'll be on our date. And I came out with a stack about that high and her eyes, she's, and I said, we're just

going to count them out in stacks a thousand make sure you count them correctly and soon as we're done we'll leave now I thought that would be our last date but we're married yeah I mean you bring stacks like that of money to date you got a good chance it's kind of the way it works nowadays so you have this experience, you decide, you know, you find a woman, you want to change your life. And, and did you ever, did you ever think of just kind of maintaining the lifestyle instead of fully giving it up or, you know, maybe hide it or keep it on the side, maybe

do it a little bit. Cause I mean, at this point you're making most of your money doing drugs. I mean, if at this point is your intent to go legit, as they would say in Godfather 2? Well, you know, now if the laws were different in Tennessee, that may have been one of the things I was being interested in. I was planning on buying a machine that would have taken raw material and turned it into the high concentrates, the things that people are using today in pens and things of that nature.

But I'm removed from that lifestyle for 11 years. So the legal changes, the states that have legalized it weren't like that then. So it was black or white for me. It was walk away or continue. And it just wasn't worth it anymore. I had come to what they call the end of myself where I realized that this lifestyle, I didn't want to live it anymore. It wasn't going to work out.

Wasn't going to work out. At this point, you've got to go find a job or a career or some sort of income replacement, correct? Yeah. Yeah. When I quit the business, I had $30,000 and I buried that in my mom's yard for a little while. Yeah.

I was- Mob style. Yeah. Yeah, I did. But because of how it ended, and I can tell you if you're interested in how it ended, I thought that the feds were going to come and arrest me. So I needed that for bail money. But yeah, I didn't have another job lined up.

And basically me and that girlfriend, we decided to take that money and turn it into furniture. We started painting old, ugly furniture and selling it at the flea market. So I went from making 60,000 a month to about 4,000 a month. Did that for an entire summer. And then I got a retail job making $14 an hour. It was a humbling experience. I'll tell you. I'll bet it was.

I mean, it's hard for anyone to go to work for someone else after you've been an entrepreneur, legitimate or, you know, doing some other things. And it can be challenging because you've got, you know, like you say, you go from 60, what was it, 60,000 a month, you said to 14 an hour, that's a bit of a shot kit coming in there and rebuilding life. Yeah. Shotkick coming in there and rebuilding life. Now, how do you go from that to high level street life to volunteering in jail ministry? So, I grew up as a Christian, as I even went to Christian school from K to fifth grade. So I had a foundation and a knowledge of God through Jesus Christ. When my parents divorced, I

basically divorced God at the same time. As a lot of kids do, the foundation of their home has a lot to do with their foundation with God. And so when that crumbled, I walked away from that relationship. And I knew through all these disillusionments, like I was telling you with materialism and pleasure and all that just escaping me, I knew that there was something more to life. I knew that it, because if life is all about what you can get, then I should have been completely happy, but I found myself completely empty. So I basically, on one of those roadside events, I pulled over on the side of the road and I just cried out to God. I said a prayer like, God, it's been a very long time since we've talked and I'm an evil

guy. I think nothing about just myself. And I kind of made a plea deal with God. I said, if you can get me out of this lifestyle, then I will give you the rest of my life. And two weeks later, through an event of my driver getting busted in Nebraska with $115,000 of my money,

it was the pen that let the trailer go from the truck. It was the end of the business, as you could say it. Yeah. Because you're starting to see that it's just a matter of time, right? It's odds. I mean, I remember the famous, what's the famous line from Heat, you know, there's only so many times, you know, the police are always on I can't remember the line from the heat But the police are always on call 24-7 monitoring you all they do is have to catch you

You only have to fuck up once right? You can only take it up one time man one time takes all it takes is one time The you can the cops can fuck up all the times they want and but all it takes is one time for a criminal to fuck up and you're caught. And, bro, I had cops sitting outside my house on shit. Really? I had, yeah. And I had to move everything, you know, reverse a little bit.

I had to move everything to a stash house across the city because the cops were so hot, you know, they were making an indictment case against me. Oh wow. And I had a lawyer. I had my own Sal. You ever watch Breaking Bad? Yes. Yeah.

I learned a lot of tips from that show and I got my own Sal, a top attorney downtown. And he said, I advise you that you should stop doing this. I said, bro, I'm not here to talk about that. I said, help me, give me some pro tips to keep me from getting busted. And I found out, I told him all the crimes I was doing, multi-state trafficking, child endangerment, prostitution, tax evasion, all that. He said, you're looking at 25 to life federal prison. And it felt like I had one of those dentist led vests on me.

It was a lot of pressure I was under, I'm gonna tell you. Pete Slauson Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that is. I mean, you've got the Johnny Law sitting out front and all that good stuff and all you go. So, how do you get involved with the jail ministry? How do you get to where…

We talked a little bit about you did that. So, what did you start doing from there after you kind of reached that point of no return or it looks like, you know, the walls are closing in, it's time to change my life. Well, how do you build what you have going on now? You've got the redemption press, you've written your book, you've been, I believe visiting people in jail and running a ministry. Tell us how you developed all that.

That's a great question. So after my driver was busted, I called all the clients. I told them that the business was over. I'm shutting down. Wow. My main customer who was buying roughly half of my inventory on a weekly basis, I called him, personally told him what was going on. And I called my finance guy in Colorado, told him what was going on.

Now, I still owed him money two days later. And this is the point where this is the foundation of why I do what I do. A couple of days later, the guy from Colorado and my main customer, they both come to my house in the middle of the day. And I was the boss. They knocked on my door and walked in, sat down on my living room, they both come to my house in the middle of the day. And I was the boss. They knocked on my door and walked in, sat down in my living room, told me to sit down. And they said, they looked me dead in the eye

and they said, you're gonna continue to do this. You're the only way we can continue to do this. And you've made sure that we don't have any of your contacts. The finance guy, he said, I've got another $100,000 loan I'll give you, just get the driver, just get another load and let's keep this going. Right? So I had a moment where I thought about it and time just stopped. And I remembered that roadside prayer that I had. And God spoke to me in this very audible way. And he said to me, what are you going to do? Are you going to serve man or are you going to serve me?

I didn't know what to do to get those men out of my living room to convince them. They're atheists. And I dropped to my knees, Chris. I closed my eyes. I threw my arms in the air and I cried out to God. I just kept saying, God help me. God help me. God help me. They got up, man.

They dropped some bombs on me. They put their finger in my face and they walked out of my house. Well, I never see from them again. Wow, that's powerful, my friend. That's the foundation where I lay my faith on. He saved me that day. I left myself completely open to that. And it's, you know, they say God is real, but he was, he's been real for me.

And so that's the foundation. And I take that faith and I bring it to the people in jails and I bring it to young men as he's as real to me as you are, as you and I bring it to the people in jails, and I bring it to young men as he's as real to me as you and I are right now. How many years have you been doing this now? Have you been running the whole thing, the operation, and everything you've been doing? Oh, I've been doing the jails ministry for the last 18 months. And I tried to start off in prisons, but it's pretty hard to get in there into prisons, getting background checks and so on and so forth. But I got in

with a ministry called Men of Valor, and they do the prison reform program. So before I did the prison stuff, I started working with young adults, young boys, teenagers in high school, and some kids that get out of high school, leading them away from the direction that I took. So, all I've been working in the industry for about eight years now. Pete Slauson Nice. Congratulations, man. You're changing not only your own life and ensuring you're, you know, you're going forward with something that isn't going to put you in prison for a million years and you're helping, and on top of that, you're helping other people. Now I'm looking at the website, I'm seeing that you have several offerings there. Speaking

requests, discipleship inquiry, prison visit form, group teaching and prayer requests. Tell us about some of the offerings you have there and maybe how some people can utilize them or maybe if they know someone, they can hand that on to needs that help. Dr. Michael O'Neill Yeah, oftentimes churches have programs like celebrate recovery for people with addictions, people with problems with pornography, people with drug addictions. And I like to go in and speak to those groups. So churches can go on my website and look up the form and it goes directly to an email

to me. And I also want to go into more and more prisons as that's the most enjoyable time I have. When I go to the prisons, that's, that's, it's like my birthday when I go there. It's for them, but I get so much joy out of it. And I also offer one-on-ones with video teleconferencing. And so if anybody needs some discipleship or to basically, I want to be a yield sign to help people. I want to use my life to show people that the fast life is not going to make them happy and use my life as an example of that. And anytime I can have a speaking engagement, because I've, Chris, I've lived three or four lives in my 45 years. And through that time,

I've got a lot of action steps that I can help people take to avoid those pitfalls. Yeah, most definitely. So if someone's out there listening, you've got several ways that they can reach out to you on the website. I was thinking of other audience members, maybe they have a family member or someone they love in jail. They can take it. And with the prison visit form, that's maybe where you can request to have you come by

and help whoever needs help there. David Knotts Yeah, that's exactly right. So if you're a prison chaplain or you're a captain at a prison and you'd like me to come speak at your prison, especially if it's regional to the southeast is where I live in Tennessee, I'd be glad to make the drive. You can go on the website and click on that. I'll, I'm never too busy to get right back to you. Pete Now, you have a discipleship request, and that's where you, do you only work with men?

Because I notice it says here, for men seeking direction, healing and deeper intimacy with Christ. Is it only for men or is it available for women too? Jared Women can certainly get a hold of me. Yeah, that'd be just fine. I mean, everybody has addictions and everybody has hangups and hurts. And I've certainly have talked in discipled women in one-on-one in person. I don't really encourage that. I'm not a certified counselor. So specializing in men and men and young men, that's my specialty, but it's not off

limits. So, ladies, if you'd like to reach out to me, I'd be glad to talk to you. If it's about your young man that you have, a lot of mothers reach out to me about their young boys. I've counseled countless number of troubled teens and I love it because at the age 13, that's when they just stop listening to their parents. It's just built into them. So you get you get me the cool uncle and I'll tell them all about how to be a man.

The cool uncle. Yeah. Yeah. I call myself Uncle Drew. I'm the cool uncle, but I teach them how to go to spirit. Right. I'm not sure what that is, but don't them how to go to Spirit Rhino. I'm not sure what that is, but don't go there folks. I know what that is. Spirit Rhino jokes always pay off to those who know. And so people can do reach out to you, they can do like a web call, get inspiration, you

know, help them get connected with God. Why do you feel it's important for people to connect with God? I mean, there's lots of talk with, you know, in AAA, or not AAA, in AA services, AAA services. Pete Slauson Yeah, if you need a partner. Pete Slauson Roadside assistance. Pete Slauson But I mean, technically, I guess it could be a metaphor. You need some roadside assistance in your life, find God. What is it about finding God that makes it so important, you hear like in AA, you know, that's that first step that you've got to do is realize,

you know, that there's something bigger yourself you need to take care of or believe in because you're having trouble with your, you know, doing your life personally. Yeah, a simple answer is we were created by God for God. There is no other purpose in life except for to grow in character to become like Him. If you really want the peace and contentment that you were meant for, there's really no other way than through God. And by God, I mean through Jesus because he said, I am the way, the truth and the life, no one comes to me except no one comes to the Father except through me. So there, there, I have found no other contentment other than through God. And that's

why I know that I was created for him. Pete As we go out, give people your final pitch out to reach out to you, get to know you, order up your book and all that good stuff in 80.com. Yeah, please go to my website from kingpinthekingdom.com. I have my social media links there. I've got my email address there, all my services from the personal one-on-one discipleship to speaking group engagements, prison forum engagements, and group settings offer offer group teaching settings and also have a link to my new debut book from

Kingpin to Kingdom. You can get it on Amazon and I am currently working on getting it in all the bookstores like Target, Barnes and Noble and Walmart. If you go onto Amazon, please, please leave me a review. That helps the sales. Promotions are difficult. As you both know, you have to dump a lot of money into promotions. So getting this off the ground is the toughest part.

Writing the book, that was one thing, but being on the business side, it's a whole different other. So please go to my website, let's connect. I'd love to help you personally. Pete Great job there. And it's glad that you've changed your life, but you've also changed others and shown what a wonderful impact that can have and an example of redemption as it were. Thank you very much for coming to the show. We really appreciate it, man. It's thanks for sharing your journey, Andrew. Andrew Boudreau It's my pleasure, Chris. And thank you for your great questions. Thank you for the time you've given me. Thank you for this platform. It's a pleasure.

Chris Boudreau And thank you. It's hard to tell stories and there's bravery to it. It's hard to write books and put this down to paper. But serving other people and helping other people and lifting this down to paper, but you know, serving other people and helping other people and lifting the world to be a better place, you know, to make all the difference in the world. I think when we're kind of young, we kind of take this world for granted and we run around and do some funky things, but you know, we find redemption or find a way to be better and then we help the world be better.

So I'm very thankful for what you're doing and sharing. Folks, order the book wherever fine books are sold out May 10th, 2025. It's called From Kingpin to Kingdom by Andrew Kirkland. Check out his website. If you know somebody who's struggling or having issues or maybe a loved one or a friend, or maybe you're in that position, he's definitely got some interesting offerings on his website that you can get help there. And you know, I mean, people need to find help where they can. And sometimes you, you need to find that right voice that attunes with you. I know a lot of people, there's just sometimes that moment that comes to them. So anyway, check that out as well. As, as always, we appreciate our audience. Go to goodreads.com, Fortress,

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