The Chris Voss Show - The Chris Voss Show Podcast – From Out of the Sand by Steve Sieting

Episode Date: July 20, 2026

From Out of the Sand by Steve Sieting https://www.amazon.com/Out-Sand-Steve-Sieting/dp/1972299816/ Authorstevensieting.com Having isolated myself from the Lord, I was spiritually drowning, tired and worn from life’s pressures. I was finished. No longer willing to go through the motions, I was ready to turn my back, walk away from God, and never look back. And yet I said one last prayer, hoping to receive something to grab me up out of my despair. Alone, depressed, and silent in my chair, the Holy Spirit simply said, “I hear your cry.” He rescued me from self-destruction, and placed my feet on solid ground. My journey back into His presence has been a long but rewarding trek. He revealed my heart, and I had to confess, repent, and return for more instruction because it was true and done with love. I am humbled that He took so much time with me. He is my great I Am! My chronicled inspirational and poetic journey back into His presence was my revelation, and I now know that I was not alone in my drowning. So many people feel unworthy, lost, pressured, or isolated, and want to be comforted by personally knowing that God hears their cry as well. God wants to free you from feeling unworthy. He wants to tell you exactly where you are in Him and lead you into a closer relationship with Him. This book encourages you to listen, obey, and be responsible to the Holy Spirit. You are not alone! “I hear your cry” ushered me into His peace. It is more than enough. About the author Steve Sieting born to depression era parents in Michigan,1956. His mother almost died giving birth to him and was told not to hold him because he weighed 11/11lbs. He grew up very shy in school and church, yet loved sports and could be aggressive in sport activities. He entered the navy in 1976 for six years and served on board the nuclear submarine USS Snook. Some of his poetry has been influenced by his naval experience. Steve has lived in Georgia since he left the navy in 1982 where he and his wife,Lynn, raised their three children. He still works in electronics and also runs his own part time business. Steve has been nominated for Author of the Year by Georgia Writers Association Inspirational-Religious category to be announced June 7, 2014.

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Today's featured author comes to us from Books to Lifemarketing.co.com. With expert publishing to strategic marketing, they help authors reach their audience and maximize their book's success. Today, we're going to be amazing young man on the show with us today. We're going to be talking about his book called From Out of the Sand. Stephen Seating joins us on the show. He's going to be talking about his book that's inspirational poetry that came out in 2024, and we're going to be talking about all that good stuff.

Much like a short-order cook, Stephen confesses his thoughts, views, and personal experiences along with biblical scriptures to convey a picture of his life. in snippets in time. Even though Stephen was not held as a child and fell behind others in school, he does not allow himself to make excuses for their problems. Each snippet is meant to prompt the reader to take the moment for self-reflection using the Holy Spirit and Bible to improve and grow in the Lord. He volunteered for the Navy in subservice where he assigned to the electronic text division, and he qualified for many watch stations, including the most senior underway watch station for enlisted personnel, chief of staff. After the Navy, Steve was very involved in the manufacturing

processing controls. Welcome to show, Stephen. How are you? Good. New. I am excellent. Give us your dot-coms. Where can people find you on the interwebs website, social media? I don't have a website, really, other than there's slash authors, authors stevesheeding.com. And but part of that is, I was published in the city of books, and I just quit them, and I went to self-published. I just got on Amazon as a self-published book. All right. Give me $30,000 over you. What's inside this new book?

The book is about, I was, first of all, I was raised by Depression-era parents, and they, it was just, everything was done. of necessity. I weighed 11 pounds, 11 ounces, and I was, they were told not to hold me when I was a child. Because you were too large or something? My mom almost died having me. Oh, okay. And then so they didn't hold me. They didn't even hold me when they fed. Really? I stayed on the floor. I didn't cry. I did not, I didn't make emotion. I could stay there for hours, and that's where they left me. Wow. And so I grew up very inward, very shy. And so when I got in school and I got around other kids that knew their colors and knew how to count and knew all this other, I just shut down because I felt so stupid. And I hid.

And I always hide my head behind the kid in front of me or whatever. Just tried to stay low profile. I went to school for the majority that way. And until I, towards the end of high school, I started realizing life was passed me by. Yeah. I needed to change. There was no excuse. I don't like excuses.

I don't like it when people make it. And I don't, I really try not to let myself make an excuse. And so I realized I needed to change and I needed to find some place to get an education. And I could just barely read coming out of high school. school so I knew college was not my forte. And so I felt led to go into the Navy. And I prayed about it. And anyhow, I went to, took the test and the recruiter said, oh, you're from a good school. You'll have no problems passing. And so when I went back to him, he goes, you didn't do as good as I thought you would. Wow. But he goes, he signed me up anyhow. It turns out, I did not.

passed the course. So I went into the Navy thinking everything's hunky dory. I got into boot camp, got my head shaved, and they, in process and the whole company, then they, I heard them, they put me off the side

and they said, he don't belong here. And so they didn't give me a choice. And I really believe that was the Holy Spirit that was saying, I'm going to make away for you. You felt led by me to go in the Navy and you were right. And so

even though that was the hardest year in my life. Yeah. Because I had to study and I was in over my head and I made it. I made it through school. In fact, the first set of schooling, I just barely made it. They'd come up to me and say, Steve, you got to get 90% on this test to go on. And somehow, by the grace of God, I made the test. And so towards the end of the school, the very last class, they start putting problems into equipment. And you got so much time to find the problems. And then you get scored on that time. And to get an A, you've got to find it less than 90% of the time.

Oh, wow. And I was doing that. But the last teacher during the course, during the test, it said, seating what are you doing here i said i'm taking the test he goes no what are you doing here he goes you're not supposed to be here he goes everybody wrote in my records he says he tries hard but he's not gonna make it oh wow and right then the lord the holy spirit let me know that he's the one that got me through he is the one that made away for me and did you work harder because if Let me give you an example. When I was 20, I grew up poor too. And I'm assuming you grew poor. I may jump to that assumption. And so I was on a bright kid. I kind of knew I knew some things and I could see outside of the box because the way I was raised. But I didn't do well in school. And I was a kid who was going to Harvard or Ivy League school and something. I was a poor kid who was going to get a Pell Grant at best or like yourself going to the military. And a lot of people go in the military from backgrounds like yours.

because it gives them the structure they never had. You growing up in the environment you did, they've actually shown that if there's not touch going on with children between parents or anyone, just to get in touch, they'll develop rickets, they'll develop other issues. It's really important bonding process in our development. And so were you able to recognize consciously,

hey, it looks like I'm kind of behind and I'm not kind of matching up to everybody, so I'm going to work harder. I'm going to study more. I'm going to try and work at this so I can overcome it. It sounds like the path you went down. After I went through high school, when I was about ready to finish up, and I realized life was passing me by.

I knew I was in trouble. Yeah. But I went through grade school just hiding and just doing enough to get by. And I knew my parents, they loved me. I knew they, but they did not. they didn't seem to have the time to invest in me specifically. Now, one summer, my mom did say, I'll pay you to read a book. Trying to get me to read.

And I did read a Reader's Digest, condensed version of the Flight of the Phoenix. Oh, really? I really enjoyed that book, but it took me forever to get through it. But it helped. Yeah. You let me know if she was interested in me. Yeah. I was when I was about 20 when I graduated high school I said look man I know I'm a dumb kid

I know I don't do well with school because of my ADHD so I've got to self teach myself what I need to do and I subscribe to Harvard Business Review magazine which you get a recorder and I was I started training myself for the job I wanted to be a CEO with many employees and run hopefully big companies or my own company someday. And so I'd literally put myself through what you might call as an assigned MBA where basically I learned the shit I needed to learn. And I ended up backing out of my Pell Grant my first quarter going to school because I started my first company and was doing for as well as I thought at the time. I was only 18. But I knew I was a dumb kid. I don't know how to. And that's not a bad thing. I was aware that I was a dumb kid and I needed work.

the only person who's going to fix that work was me. And so I started reading everything I get my hands on about business success, money, investing, banking, mortgages. I started studying all this stuff. And so I overworked because I knew that I needed that. And sometimes that's the best awareness you can have. Yeah, that's basically my story. I count myself a miracle because I wasn't held. And yet I was able to function as a moment.

normal child. Now, when I got into junior high and high school, I wasn't a superstar in sports, but there was nobody that was going to try harder than me because I wanted to be on the team. There was nothing I wanted more than that beat to be on the team. And I made it most of the time. Look at people that are undervalued or under assessed or underachievers and how they make up the difference in work. Some people do have talent. But most people, they really put in the work, and sometimes you can develop talent, I believe. Some people might disagree with me, but I think you can develop talent because you can get really good at what you do if you work hard enough at it. If you want to, that's the thing.

You've got to want it. Yep. Yep. So how did you get into writing? Let's get into your book. And is this book kind of a memoir of some of your life? It's a partial memoir. I go through and I fell away.

from the Lord for a while because my, I went under attack from this lady that felt like she wanted my job. And she tried to put me in jail. She went and took, I worked for a military contractor, and of course you got to sign your time to a military contract. She was putting down the wrong numbers on the cards on purpose. And then the finance people would say to me at the end of when they were checking the time cards, she was already gone. And they go, this is not right. They had me go back through her desk, find out what she had worked on, and I'd correct her time cards and give them to them, and they'd put in the file.

We did not know that she was going into the file making copies of those corrections, and then she took them to the military investigative service and turned me in for fraudulent time card. Oh, wow. And so she was trying to put me in jail because she hated me. And finally, one day, she started asking me questions about this, that, everything she should have known. She worked there seven, eight years. And I finally got tired of it, and I probably shouldn't have put it this way, but I said, you need to put your head on your shoulders and do your job right.

Otherwise, I'm going to have to write you up. Wow. And she goes, you don't intimidate me. And then she stayed out the next couple of days. And then two days later, we found out we were being sued for giving her hard time and intimidation and stuff like that. She already tried to sue the company for a neurologic disorder because she claimed the Freon messed her up. But she already had history of that, so that case got thrown out. type of person, her father died, and she tried to get her mother put away so that she could get the estate.

Yeah, she sounds pretty toxic. Yeah, she was extremely toxic. And I had one. And so her problems, she caused so much problems. They ended up closed in our facility and moving everything to California. And it costs a lot of people their jobs. Yeah. I had to move on.

and then my kids went off the chain. And so after all these troubles, after being, and then I got clear to the military, I got clear to that, the investigation. And you'd think I'd be happy. But I guess I felt more like the guy that Jez Bell was chasing when he went under a tree and he felt like he was depressing. He just wanted to lay down and die.

Yeah. That's exactly what I felt like. And then my kids got in trouble. And I went through 10 years of depression, basically, through this thing. And finally, I went to a men's conference, and I started getting back to the Lord. And it's hard. Once you get that far away from the Lord, it's hard to get back because you feel dirty. You feel like you're not worthy of his presence.

You just, you automatically condemn yourself. Huh. But at the men's retreat, other people where it had books, and they had classes in New Tampi, and they talked to you. And then there was preaching and so forth and praise and worship. And I was sitting there in the audience, and I felt like I should write a book. So after the retreat, my home started writing poetry. I don't.

I'd never written a thing in my life. Really? This just popped right up, huh? It just popped right up. Wow. I never wrote a thing in my life. And so I kept at it because I felt called until, and then I finally published it because I felt led to do it.

How long did it take you to assemble all the poems? How many are in there, or is it sections, or how does it work? It's sections. I think it's at least 40 poems, something like that. But anyhow, when my mom had already died. and I told my dad that I'd written a book. Oh, wow. And see, he always felt like he was a nobody in the church or whatever.

He felt like the rich people controlled everything. And he just felt like he was a nobody. And I picked up on that. Wow. I picked up on that I was a nobody. And I wouldn't go after girls in high school that I felt like I wanted to date because I felt like I was a nobody. Really?

Yeah. And when I told him I wrote the book, he goes, he didn't say congratulations or what's it about or why'd you write a book. He goes, now you're somebody. It's almost like I left him outside the road by himself. I left them stranded by himself. I tried to explain to him. I felt led to write the book. I told him less than 2% of people in the world never write a book. Yeah, it's pretty rare. And so he didn't buy it. He just, I tried to convince him. Otherwise, anyhow, when he got a copy of the book, then he changed his tune.

Oh, that's nice. And then, but he never told me he was proud. He never. Never? Never. He told people at his church that Donald Florida, where he was, but he never told me about it. Well, he'll be, yeah. He never apologized to me whenever he did me wrong or whatever.

He just was not that way. It's, I don't know, I'll be interested to hear how you square this in your head, but my father was a lot the same way. He was really, which emotionally disconnected most of his life. And I think I built a huge company and somewhere in my mid-30s, and finally he came to me, and I'll never forget the moment he told me, He was proud of me because it was impossible, like you say, to get it out of them. But there's something we have to deal with, especially with people from that generation,

because it was a survival sort of experience going through the depression. And there was a lot of enlightenment back then as to how people believed and felt. It was just survival. And you kind of have to accept that a lot of people are doing the best they can. People always, if I talk about a relationship that didn't work out or something, I always go, hey, it was just two people that were in a certain place in their life that didn't match up. They did the best they could. They tried.

They didn't have all the tools and skills. And the sad part is a lot of that you mirrored as a child that sounds of self-worth, the self-value, maybe that your father had towards himself. And it's good that you've raised yourself up above that level and you've achieved. And really, when it comes down to it, the person that is really listening to, you and being the most proud of you has to be yourself because no one else in this world is going to give that to you and well

on an ideal piece of paper we should expect that from our parents to love us and care us and show us love a lot of times they don't because they weren't shown that either so they're just undeveloped beings they were doing the best they can my father was very supportive

very loving my dad his father died when he was 16 and he ended up knowing into the military early and sending money home to his mother. But his mother didn't care for us. She hardly ever talked to us. She didn't want my dad to marry my mom. This is the generational trauma that gets passed down with poor parenting and poor developed people. And all you can do is save yourself. That's really all it is in that situation. When my dad was, I think in his 70s, he went and saw a psychiatrist or late 60s,

and he realized he'd been an extreme narcissist most of his life, and he had been emotionally disconnected from us. And he cried and he apologized, and he had this clarity of a moment. But patterns are patterns. He just went right back to doing it after that. He kind of would break through every now and then, and you'd see a human being.

But it was how he survived. He kind of mucked up. up a lot of stuff in life so the end wasn't going to be cool. And so, you know, you have to love people sometimes whether or not you have to determine whether they value, you know, you can't give your value of who you are based upon other people because you're always going to be up for disappointment, right? I've had business partners and friends that I loved. I would have helped them bury a body. I love them so much as my business partners and friends, I used to joke. But sometimes, even them after 22 years. Their assessment of me, their understanding of me, and who I am and my

value was incredibly marred. And I found that with most relationships that I've been in with women. Their assessment of me and what I do and how I do it, completely marred. They love the benefits, but their assessment of who I am. And I've just gone through life going, nobody seems to have any good clue as to who the fuck I am, even my own parents. So the person who I need to value. I think what I'm trying to say is people, the person you need to value yourself the most is yourself. Sounds a little narcissistic, but as long as you don't go too crazy with the narcissism, you can have a good healthy self-esteem, you can have a good healthy ego. And you just realize that your body, your brain's always listening. So if you put yourself

down, if you say you're worthless, it listens and it gives you the life that goes, He wants to live a life where he's worthless and unvalued. And so I'll help him achieve that because that seems to be what he wants. He focuses on so much. So it's great that you overcome that. You've learned to develop and you've learned to take on your things. And that's what we really do in life. That's an old statue of the man who's hewing himself from stone, if you remember,

where he's got the chisel and the hammer and easily separating himself from the rock. That's what we all have to do is people. We all have to sit down, look in the mirror, assess our faults, assess our weaknesses, and try and improve ourselves. And that's where greatness comes. A lot of people aren't going to recognize that. I've done a lot of great things in my life. I'm my best year I've ever had in my life right now. I'm happier than I've probably ever been in years.

And I'm just smiling ear to year every day. But it's because I've done the work. Does anyone notice it? No. Do I care? No. I'm not looking for other people's approval. I'm looking for my own.

When you get up to so high up in life, if you're really advancing, you don't get pads on the back anymore. Oh, yeah. Your success is your pat on the back. If anything, you get jealousy and sabotage. People like, oh, I need to bring this guy down a rung or two because he's getting ahead of me. It's really cutthroat these days.

I value people. I love people. But I just realize I don't need to seek other people. people's approval in determining my value. I might seek their approval as being a funny entertainer and being able to bring joy to other people and tell great stories. But my personal value is not determined by that. If you don't laugh at my jokes, that's your problem, not mine. That's what Carlin used to say. To me, it's scriptural that says the Bible says you have to love yourself before you can love or anybody else, really.

Good point. These are why the Bible and other tomes have these eternal rules of life because they're, because they work. Now, you have a future thing coming out, I believe, some works of writing. Is that, do I have that right? I have a book called Shells. Shells. It's a memoir of my life. I go from my youth and I talk about the problem with my father and going through school. problem with my girlfriend's family. I used to live there during the weekend sometimes, but and then problem in the Navy. When I went in the Navy, my first roommates were two of them sold drugs out of the room and one was an alcoholic and I was not used to that at all. Yeah, you're like, this is a bit odd. It was, I was in over my head. That's from out of the sand, that was my comfort zone. I played in that sandbox. My whole child was,

And that's what, that was my comfort zone. And that's where Lord led me out of the sand into the Navy. And that's what that title is. Oh, and the title of your book? The title from out of sand is really, it was my sandbox was my comfort zone. And the Lord wasn't going to leave me. And I'm so thankful that he rescued me from myself. We're talking about miracles, the greatest miracle of God.

I ever did was move the mountain of me. And he changed me and didn't. And he heard my cry about not wanting to learn, but he didn't want to leave me just there. He changed me in the process of taking me through the Navy and changed the way I live and the way I see things. And he helped me. A lot of times it's great to have that structure. That's the great thing why a lot of people enter the military is because,

It gives you structure. If you've been raised in a chaotic environment, chaotic home, the one thing we kind of like having is human beings is a bit of comfort where there's structure. And at least we know what we're working with, even if we're trying to comply or keep up with others. At least we know where we're at, right? And there's kind of some rules that we can lean on and expect. So it's great. I'm glad you're telling your story because there's probably lots of other people that have been through this. For you, it was your sandbox. For me, it was my bicycle. I would race BMX, and I'd literally come home and get on my bicycle and go to the racetrack, the little dirt track that we had with jumps and all that stuff and berms. And I would ride from Lyles. I'd pretty much be riding up until the time it got dark or my mom called us home. But even then, we'd come home for dinner and then we'd go back out again as I would. And I'd lived on that bike. That bike was my refuge through my teenage years until I got a car. But I would ride for, I would go clean across town, like miles. I basically used it like a car. It was crazy. But I lived in that car. That was my refuge because being at home was just complete chaos. And that's how you survive.

But sometimes, I think sometimes starting that way where you're not sucked into the system and the chaos in it. And you can kind of sit and watch things. These days I'm a big mouth because I had to learn to be owning my own companies being a CEO and selling. vision to everybody. But back, back when I was young, I was like you. I was very quiet. I was very introverted. I was watching. But when you're watching, we were learning stuff. That's exactly right. That was my learning. Yeah. And so that creates a foundation where you're not just being a bot or an MPC being sucked into life and its thing. I think like most people do, if they have early popularity or success, they just go, okay, it just works. I'm just going to write it. But for us,

you watch, you learn, you plan, you map, you strategize. I did have a rule for that, though, is really? When I made my rule up that when I was watching people, I was not judging them, I was going to judge whether it worked or not. And if it was going to work for me. Yeah, see, I was doing the same thing.

I'm like, I realized life was, we would get the big Sears cataloging, and J.C. Pennant catalog, remember back in those days? Oh, yeah. You flipped through that thing. And the way it was about the size of a phone book. You could kill somebody if you hit him with it. It was so heavy.

I was like, you almost needed like, I don't know, I'll live for it. But I was going through the catalog one day, and I realized life is a catalog of different lives and styles that you can live. And you have the right to choose that. If you want to be a fireman, you can go be a fireman. You want to choose something in the catalog to go be a police officer, an astronaut, whatever. you can choose that life.

And you can also choose something different. I'm sure you do the same thing. I'll order something from a catalog. And I'm a photographer for 10 years. And then I said, I don't want to do that anymore. And I go to something else. So I go to the catalog and pick out another life. And we go through these cathartic moments throughout life where we change our life of them.

They go, I'm bored with that. Or I don't think that's right for me anymore. I want to do something different. I've grown and changed. And that's the beauty of life. And the sooner you can figure that out because so many people, People just go right into life. And it's like that fight club scene with Brad Pitt in the bathtub and Ed Norton

on the toilet. And they're talking about how life is just being pushed on them. Like ask my dad, what do I do? He said, go to school. Go to high school. Okay, great. I went to high school dad. What do you do next?

Go to college. Okay, I went to college. What are you next, dad? Get a job. Okay, I got a job. What I do next? Get a wife and have some kids. Okay.

And that's not the prescription for happiness and success, but it says, Society sells that BS to us because it populates a species and serves as a great cog in the well of breeding and making governments more money. I woke up early and saw the people were having midlife crises, people were miserable in marriage, sometimes the kids are miserable, sometimes everyone is miserable. And I'm like, how do I avoid these pitfalls? And how do I make choices where I won't end up as a miserable sack of crap when I'm 40 or 50? 50. And so I made choices and decisions to do that. But if I hadn't had that introversion, that ability like you and I talk about to sit and look and watch and learn, I would have done like a lot of people do. They just go racing right into whatever society's program is.

And then by their 40s and 50s, they wake up in a midlife crisis because they realize they've been living someone else's life for the past 20 or 30 years. And so I like the fact that we were introverted when we were young and we watched and learned a little bit before we jumped in the pool. Yeah, when I was when I graduated high school, I was standing by my parents and everybody's running around screaming and howling and having a good time. I was standing there and she goes, my mom goes, are you happy? I go, no, not really. So why? I said, why? I said, look at this. They don't know that they've got they're going to face reality here, sure. shortly. They got, they got a responsibility that they got to start living. I said, I didn't want to graduate because I didn't want to face the responsibility.

Yeah. It was something that I knew I was going to have to change, but I knew that was part of the deal. Moving on was into responsibility was the next phase of my life. Yeah. Now, why do you like poems? Why do you like writing in that prose? What is it? How does it work for you and why do you like it so much? I started off. I didn't write on a keyboard or nothing. I shared with...

I started writing on paper and rewriting it. And these are my first attempts, and I would rewrite it until I was satisfied. And then I would put it on the computer. It just, it was a slow process for me to sit back and relax and think. about it and be guided by what the Lord wanted me to put down on paper. I felt like I was answering the call to write the book and I needed his help to do it. Taking time, writing it out, helped me see it. And it really helped me start to spell better. It started to help me form sentence structure better. So it was a growth process for me. Yeah. And that's the best way to

grow is to do the work, learn. And that's the only way you're going to get into it. Yeah, writing has made me a better writer. I'm not sure I'm perfect yet. But it's made me a better writer. It's made me a better person. It's totally improved the quality of my life. And so many brilliant people and successful people, they journal, they write, they are self-reflective, I think is the message I'm trying to say. Yeah, it is a great way to get better what you're doing. So as we go out, give people a final pitch out to pick up your book and your dot com's, your website. I believe I have a website for you, author, steven, your last name.com, seating. Yeah, that's that website, but that'll take you to, I don't.

I quit that and I started producing my own. I'd rather you go to www. Amazon.com. Okay. Slash out dash sand dash slash. And that'll take it right to my book in Amazon. Okay. And that's,

it's made by Fox Press Media. Okay. So we want to make sure we have the right version too. Right. See, the other people, they didn't pay me my royalties. Oh, wow. We hear that a lot from independent folks. It is terrible.

And they kept on jerking me around. In fact, I signed with somebody else and then I quit them because, and they haven't paid me my coordinator contract. I quit in the short time, so they should refund my money through the contract. They haven't done that. It's tough out there when you're trying to be an author. Yep. And Fox Press Media has been good to me, but he wanted to first. take my from out of sand and say, think about writing a movie about it.

And I says, that's that movie material. I said, you want a movie? I said, I'll write another book. I'll write my life story, the complete story. And then he got it. And he wrote, he thanked me for sending it to me, to him. And he says, this is, their group rated it as a 9.8 on a scale of 10 is cinematic content. So in about eight or nine months, it should be out on Amazon Prime.

All right. Thank you very much, Stephen, for coming on the show. We really appreciate it. It's been a great discussion. I'm really excited to see your next book where you tell your journey of your cathartic rise coming from a challenged childhood and how you made it work for yourself. I had some rebellious times in the Navy. I talked about that. And I confess my rebellion.

and I confess the problems I had with my girlfriend's mother. And so it's got a lot of stuff in there. All right, let's do it. We'll look forward to that. Thank you for coming to show. Folks, pick up this book wherever fine books are sold. It's entitled, From Out of the Sand. Choose to Live Life as a no matter what disciple of Christ to overcome self

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