The Chris Voss Show - The Chris Voss Show Podcast – God Only Knows When the Devil Comes for You: A Second Chance at Life by Ryan T Reichert

Episode Date: April 16, 2025

God Only Knows When the Devil Comes for You: A Second Chance at Life by Ryan T Reichert Ourprotectordevelopment.com Amazon.com Our Protector Development, God Only Knows When the Devil Comes for You tells a story through the lends of a second chance at life with multitudes of failure but also some great miracels too. It is a faith journey which guides the reader through one's life and reflection, where some tools are developed so one can use them to protect themselves with God in their life and Jesus Christ by their side. It is a born-again Christian's work to help anyone else before they might have to go through the same trials or as they are going through the flames in their journey. One child of God just wants to be of service to another child of God.

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Pete O'Reilly Today, we have another amazing author doing amazing work on the show. His book is coming out June 3rd, 2025. You can pre-order it now. It is called, God Only Knows When the Devil Comes for You, A Second Chance at Life. Ryan T. Reichert is on the show with us today. We're going to be talking about his book, his insight, so the PTSD things he does for soldiers and our military and our veterans, et cetera, et cetera, and some of the consulting work that he does as well. In the meantime, for the show, your family, friends, relatives, go to Goodreads.com and all those great places on the internet.

He is a born again Christian, an author, a servant leader with over four decades of life experience working across small town America to global Metro policies, Metro global places. Chris Foss flew into second grade. So that's the call my joke on the show. He's retired US Army Lieutenant Colonel serving 23 years in the US Army, including four combat deployments.

And he could probably pronounce Metropolisis. Following his military career, he transitioned into the fortune 500 world, getting insight into the corporate leadership and strategy. Welcome to show. How are you Ryan? Hey, good afternoon, Chris. How's it going? Going good. I'm just learning new words here in the 57. Yeah, at 46 and change it is metropolis is, but that's okay. Metropolis is, I never went and saw that recent Ford Frank Ford Coppola movie. See, I can at least pull jokes from

it. I love it. I love it. Yeah. If you grow up in Hoople, North Dakota, Tater Town, USA, you don't have to worry about metropolis because it's about 350 people strong. At least it was back in the eighties and nineties. And I know we got a lot of great people back there still farming the good godly world that it is up north there. Did you say tater tots or did I just hear tater and now I think of tater tots and I'm hungry. Yeah, no, tater town, tater town.

Tater town. Did they make tater tots there? Is that where the tater- They do not, but back in the day, you know, potatoes were the farming of choice. And so there was a number of families that had Frito-Lay contracts and so on and so forth. And I'm sure somebody will let us know that there's more to it than that because my dad was, you know, we're kind of the bastard family in town. We had records insurance, so it's all good. And we were also some of the few Catholics in the Lutheran community there. Yeah, but no big deal. It wasn't a chip that I held on to for over four decades or anything and finally let go yesterday. So we're

good to go. Pete Slauson That's, no, that's my ability to say metropolises. So yeah, note to self, get tater tots after the show. There's a way back burgers that make these great Cajun tater tots and I cover them in cheese and chili. So now that I've struck everyone's made everyone hungry on the show, let's get into your book since we're hungry for that knowledge. Tell us the dot coms. I think we got your dot coms, didn't we? Pete Slauson Yeah, it should have been ourprotectanddevelopment.com. Pete Slauson Sorry, I got lost in the hunger strike there. So give us a 30,000 overview of what's in your new book.

Pete Slauson Yeah, your new book. Benjy And just like, just like I said, yeah, we were at the Catholic Irish Catholic family. And, you know, my dad and my grandfather had records insurance. And from there we ended up, you know, playing football, basketball, baseball and track. I wish I would have played baseball in high school with the boys, you know, track kind of got in the way, but they won three state championships when I was in high school. And I didn't get to tote around any of those trophies. I played football and I was injured there. And it's kind of where we get into some of the dynamics of addiction and the lows in life that we can put ourselves into.

Yeah. Now, you've mentioned Ryker's insurance twice now. What does that reference mean? Yeah. So it was my grandfather, and I'd have to go back to my aunts and uncles here and my dad when it exactly was started. But I know my dad after Vietnam, you know, came back and went to the university in North Dakota, met my mom, but my grandpa, right.

He ended up having a heart condition and so forth. So my dad moved home and started to help him run records insurance. So small. Oh, okay. Agency there and the mighty metropolis of Hoople. Yeah. I guess I didn't want to be part of it, you know, and I ended up going to the university of North Dakota when I couldn't get into West Point because of that knee injury

I had in high school. Oh no. Put a couple of screws in there and so forth. Back in the 90s, they didn't take waivers to get into West Point, but that was okay. Went to the university of North Dakota after a couple years, started to run out of money and they had changed the medical procedures and got me into the US Army through the ROTC program. And yeah. So what made you want to join the army? I think I just always did. Both grandfathers were in the Navy during World War II.

My dad was in Vietnam. He had a cousin that was in the army national guard. And then we had a great family friend, Colonel early Rolston retired one each Marine just tough as nails. You know, this guy was a super trooper still is. I mean, shoot. He does, I think sprint triathlons or whatever they call them at 80 odd years old. Now, I mean, he's just a stud and I saw him and I was like, yeah, I think that's what I want to do when I grow up, you

know, and I haven't grown up yet nor became a man, but it's okay that, you know, people can judge us for that. No big deal. Yeah. Yeah. And yeah. So I joined the army. And the next thing you know, I was heading to the school for boys at Fort Benning, Georgia

and did all the cool stuff, airborne school, ranger school, infantry officer basic course. And- So did you become a ranger then? Ranger qualified, I guess that's the whole aspect of it. A true ranger in my definition of it would be 75th Ranger Regiment, which I wasn't. I was not a tier one guy. I was a tier two guy. So excuse me. Look at me, I'll tongue tie. Can you spell metropolis? Uh, 25th infantry division. Can I buy a vowel Alex?

Yeah. So no, ended up being tier two. So that, you know, it would have been the 25th ID or the second infantry division so forth, but super cool. You know, did one, one, one, go ahead. Sorry. One of my, one of my scout masters or two of them were Rangers and they would tell us the army Ranger stories and jumping out of helicopters and doing the

crazy shit you guys do, especially in training. It was like, we're just like, I was like, I'm not doing that. Well, I'm staying in the helicopter. Yeah. But I mean, in my book, I really get into that fear factor aspect of things. I mean, cause I'm afraid of all kinds of stuff, you know, like when I was younger, I was afraid of the dark and that that took shoot. I was probably in my thirties before I was actually truly not afraid of the dark. Yeah.

It sounds like you're an army ranger. You're like kicking people's asses, carrying a whatever gun you guys carry, babe, and, and, you know, your bad asses to everybody on the planet and you're afraid of the dark. Yeah, no, I mean, Nightmare on Elm Street did that to me. I don't remember. Did it really? Freddy Krueger.

I was like five years old and you know, mom and dad were on a date and I was up with the babysitter who won't name names or throwing anybody under the bus right now, but yeah, I, I slept in my parents' bedroom for years. You know, I'm sure they love that. I'm still sleeping in my mom's bedroom. Yeah, but there was that, that I hung around for a long time being afraid of. I was afraid of, you know, going bankrupt. And my dad did struggle. He's a recovering alcoholic of 40 years. And I know his obsession of the mind led through a of 40 years. And I know his obsession of the mind led through a lot of years of, you know, trying to make yourself happy through buying things. And, you know, I kind of went through that a little bit in swell for my

addictions in life and so forth. And yeah, I mean, all of it, you know, I was, I feared divorce, you know, so we're checking off the box here, you know, that divorce last year to be fearful of, I suppose. Yeah, it's definitely up there on the, you know, that divorce last year. To be fearful of, I suppose. Yeah. It's definitely up there on the list. Yeah. That'll do it. Yeah.

No, I mean, it's painful. It's expensive. It's really sad. You know, I, I do, when I reflect on that one, it's something that, you know, it's still hurts, I got a broken heart, you know, it's one of those aspects where, you know, everybody thinks us as men were so tough and manly and all these things. And we have feelings too. What? Feelings? What are you talking about?

I know, it's crazy. I get into that. I get into that in the first book. And then the second book, we really dive into our feelings and try to work through those so you can not give a shit what other people think. Because I think that's the big thing I always struggled with is I cared probably more about what you thought of me than you thought of me kind of thing. Pete Slauson Yeah. A lot of people get over that about their 40s. Was that the case for you? Chris Yeah. Yeah, I think, you know, when I, I don't, I got hurt again about halfway through my military career and it was one of those aspects where you start to doubt. Like, you can't run a five mile in 40 minutes anymore kind of thing.

You're a little bit slower. Maybe your purpose starts to wane a little bit. And when I transitioned out of the army, that's where I really, I just didn't have a purpose besides making money and making sure that the family had a big house, nice cars, a boat, trips, all that, all that material, idolatry kind of stuff. And that's where I think I finally broke and really broke. Went off the rails, went full, I know the word people won't like it, but I went full retard. I was drinking a bottle of bourbon whenever I could, you know, get my hands on one and washing my prescription drugs down with it and just,

you know, not living a healthy, purposeful life in Fortune 500 America, because it just, unfortunately it sounds terrible, but it just wasn't challenging. I had no purpose behind it, you know. Pete Let's break down a few things, because you made a reference early on in I think in your high school days about addiction. Sounds like your father had some addictive properties. Did you suffer from addiction and drinking and issues when you were in high school or did it start later?

Yeah, in high school actually. Yeah. So with that knee injury my freshman year, so it's sort of been like- Oh, so you're medicating that. Yeah. So fall of 93, you know, like third game of the season ended up blowing my left ACL completely out. And, you know, this is back when, you know, it wasn't like, Hey, six weeks later,

we could get you up and go. And, you know, certainly, uh, you know, I didn't miss my sophomore year football, come back my junior year and so on and so forth. And I think that what it shoulda coulda, the victimization, the poor me, you know, all these things that pride in ego that, you know, we have inside of us. I'll be some pain too. You know, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, for me it's, it's always started with like the physical pain and then the

emotional pain, you know, comes, comes thereafter, you know, you cover up, you know, that physical pain with whatever. I mean, it was morphine in the beginning. When I blew my Achilles out in the army, oxy was kind of a big thing back then and it still is obviously. I think we've seen some movies and some people writing about that kind of stuff where you just, you know, it gives you that- It's just heroin, really? Yeah, it really is.

Legalized heroin, basically, or manufactured legalized heroin. And so it sounds like your father had a problem with drinking. Did that contribute to any of your issues going up as a kid? Benjy Yeah, I mean, he recovered when I was six, or, you know, he sobered up when I was six. And, you know, he went out to Hartview in Bismarck, North Dakota, spent, I think, an extra stay and a half out there as he'd tell a story, if you ever get to hear it. And yeah, it's, I think an extra stay and a half out there as he'd tell the story if you ever get to hear it. And yeah, I think from that side of it though, the perfectionisms and the grown up Irish

Catholic, all the rules, I mean, we dress right dress all the way and he would have had his time and like I said, he was in Vietnam and so forth. I don't know exactly what life would have been like for him growing up, but I'm sure, you know, looking the part and acting the part was probably pretty, you know, that, that, that, that, that. And that's how I felt, you know, he always had to have straight A's and, you know, yeah, he couldn't be on the wrong side of the tracks and so on and so forth. And, you know, yeah, I struggled. I remember my freshman year of college, I got arrested after I played rugby

in college, in the Hall of Minnesota tournament, I got arrested for drinking and driving. Underage and everything else. I mean, there was always this, I don't know what the term we want to use, but that drugs or alcohol. Yeah. That came into play and did cause some reform in my life. Pete Slauson Yeah. I mean, and you know, guys in the military, they drink pretty hard. My brother came back from being a Marine and I thought he was, you know, kidding around when he goes, yeah, you got a bottle of vodka or anything, you're gonna have alcohol in here. And he just come back from, I think three or four, whatever his basic tour was

that you do for signing up with the Marines. He just did the, the basic package. I don't know what it's called. And, but I think it was at least two or three years or so, but he came back from the Marines and, and, and he says, you know, Hey, you got a bottle of vodka and we had one in the fridge. And back then, you know, we mixed it with, it was like 90% orange juice and 10% vodka. We were 20 and, and our twenties. And, and so he took the bottle of vodka and I thought this was some Marine machismo shit at first. And he took it and he just swigs it and he throws it back.

He's 20 some odd years old, throws it back and guzzles like half the fucking bottle. And I'm sitting there going, this is some machismo bullshit. This is some macho Marine thing. And I'm like, I'm going to watch him choke. I'm watching his face turn red. And I sit there staring at the face, looking for some sort of flinch. Nothing. Nothing.

He could put down a 24 case of beer. He'd be catatonic, but he'd still be alive somehow. You know, he tells us about the drinking that would go on in the military and the bars and, you know, that's when I learned that they put steel pool cues and bars because, you, because there's so many fights every week. So, you're not wrong, but it is, it's this aspect where, whatever it is, the physical pain, the emotional pain, the pardon expression, the dick measuring, it's just one of those aspects that, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, you know, pardon expression the dick measuring, you know

It's just one of those aspects that you know, I always label it to the seven deadly sins However, we want to go down that one, you know and then pride, you know that ego side of things, you know It's like if you're a little dude, you know, you got little man syndrome. If you're a big man, you got little dick syndrome You know, whatever it is. It's one of those things where we end up, you know, just playing that game and just, just like your brother. I mean, I think, you know, a lot of the time, like it was, it was macho, you know, yeah, if he could throw down a 30 rack or Cuba, you know, Coors light or whatever. I mean, Hey, you know, that's good on you. But I think a lot of it though, too, is just, it's always that fear, you know, when's the next time we got to leave, you know, like, I just think about how much I was gone, you know, and when we, I mean, we used to almost, I used to have toted around as a perspective of, you know, my marriage

of 24 years or whatever, you know, two thirds of it, I was gone, you know, and it's like, it's all, you know, what was that like for, you know, my ex wife and for me or whatever, every time I was like, hey, we're leaving again. How long is this time? 12 months, three months, six months, whatever it was, it's this aspect of what does normal look like? And so for me, I probably was afraid. And so yeah, you just pour something on top of it or whatever. And unfortunately, in the end, bit or whatever. And, you know, unfortunately that in the end, you know, I lost, yeah, I lost a 25 year relationship. My, my two girls have, you know, the oldest is coming back in my life. The youngest, I think still is probably pissed that she thinks, you know,

I abandoned them and they weren't good enough and you know, all these things. And, and then my fortune 500 job last year, you know, with the economy and things, you know, it did some downsizing, which was beautiful though, because I wouldn't be here today talking to you if that didn't happen. And you know, I look at it all now as true, you know, like I'm born again, you know, through my faith practices of all the valleys now where it's, yeah. Let's talk about it because I wanted to get to that point. You know, we've talked about kind of some of the journey you're going

through in the military and the hard times. At what point do you reach this point where you find God? I don't know if you'd always been with God or if you had the moment where maybe with your addiction or what was it that made you finally decide that that's in your life I guess. Yeah. I think it goes all the way back to, you know, like I said, growing up Catholic was a great foundation, you know, dark and jury, you know, a punishing God, not a loving God. Those nuns with the rulers. Tell you.

So that's where it starts. So we have a good foundation and things, Mary Lutheran, so we shift around a little bit, like Catholic light. And not really deep into it. We practiced when we wanted to, when it was convenient to us, but it wasn't putting a higher power, the good Lord Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit first. And there's a wild stat out there. If you put God first and you know, and you put that between you and your spouse, you have a 1% divorce rate. You know, obviously we

know the divorce rate, what it is without any of that. But hey, somebody did the math. I obviously didn't get that in time. Here we are. And that's one of those where, you know, I basically, you know, when I was all fed up, you know, I'd been to, you know, Vegas the year before, you know, hitting the Spearman Rhinos strip club with the boys. I've never heard of the Spearman Rhinos before. I don't think I've ever been in that place at least under a hundred times. Yeah.

Yeah, we had a good time out there and then then you know, you're talking to a stripper, you know, every other month on the phone and now you're still married at this point. I'm still married at this at this point. Scoring points to the ladies right now. I know. I know. And it's that's the whole aspect of your journey. This is your journey.

This is hey, what's Dr. Peterson Jordan Peterson say that, you know, the truth is going to give you the best outcome, the absolute whatever is supposed to happen. And I fear yet again, probably why I couldn't, you know, come clean with that, like when I was married and hit it. And now today, you know, I'm sorry, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. So help me God. That's just the fact. And what happened was Thanksgiving of 2023. You know, lustfulness is adultery biblically.

The act of adultery is another thing. And that finally happened and I sobered up the day after. And the good Lord in my mind, the way I reflect on it, it says, I'll take this away from you because you committed a mortal sin. And all you have to do now is repent and give all glory to me and we'll go about our business. And then the next thing you know, you fast forward a year, the divorce is final and we're writing books and getting on podcasts and trying to help our brothers and sisters in arms who are suffering from PTSD and addiction

on a day-to-day basis. Pete Slauson – Sharing the story. That's how we help each other through life. It's the owners manage life, everyone's story. It's the fabric of our lives, as I like to say. And you know, it's amazing how many people we end up helping. You'll end up helping. You'll have people that you won't even know you've helped through this book. But sometimes you'll meet them and they'll tell you their stories about how your book changed their life and they need to hear from you. You're the only person who's going to resonate with them through their experience and your experience in your life. And so that's great. You entitled the book, God Only Knows When The Devil Comes For You. What does that

mean? What's the reference to that? Yeah. I mean, this has gone through multiple different times. Probably when I was going through the divorce, I was like, hey, the devil's my soon to be ex-wife. When I lost my job, when I got laid off, I probably looked at whoever was running the books at said Fortune 500. I was like, they're the devil coming for me. But today today when I reflect on it, the devil's like your own self inside of you. And it's your, it's your sinfulness that you allow whenever you're weak. I call it the war on purpose, the war on purpose. And, and so if, you know, I don't know what time you, what time did you get up today, Chris? About two hours ago.

Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. So like in a generic fashion, let's just say run the mill. Okay. You work at eight, nine o'clock in the morning, you set your alarm for 6.30 and all of a sudden, you know, like 4.30 in the morning, the good Lord wakes you up,

you know, and you're like, what in the heck? I got two more hours to sleep, you know? And no, no, you're, you're, you're woken because, you know, you have a purpose to get after, you know, and no, no, you're, you're, you're woken because, you know, you have a purpose to get after, you know, if, if you let me into your life, be it, you know, obviously through food addiction or, or drinking or what, I mean, I gained about 50 pounds after I retired from the army. And, you know, it's one of those things that it was just, you know, you know, what's the, the, if you see food, you eat it diet or however that worked or whatever, you know, that's right. And, you know, I, you know, I's the old, uh, if you see food, you eat it diet or however that worked or whatever, you know, that's right.

And you know, I, you know, I wanted to get in shape, you know, because, you know, round was the shape I was going for and it was one of those, you know, that doesn't work too well in the military. They're not fans of being. No, you got height and weight, you know, every month, you know, you stand up and you're, you know, I'm, I'm six foot. So I could weigh a bit, you're, I'm six foot so I could weigh a bit. I could be 220 and not be that big of a deal, but to be truly military fit, I think 178 was like height, weight and everything, but the body percentage fatage.

Anyways, I'm getting off a little bit on this one, but where you end up and, you know, 4am courage is what I call it. And it's basically whenever you wake up, like you go wage war on your purpose in life. So like today, what that looks like is, you know, I got a three-year-old golden doodles, you know, we feed her, go for a walk, get the coffee started, grab my Bible, you know, read a few verses

wherever I'm at in it. And then, you know, there's another book that I'm reading to take on some knowledge. And then I work out. So in my book, I call it getting in your three wins. And so basically, yeah, you got a spiritual win. So whatever that looks like. I mean, I guess I skipped it.

Before I get out of bed, you have to be grateful for just being alive, being woken up and having air in your lungs and getting ready to speak into existence that gratefulness that you have for just another day. And I mean, a lot of people, I got it. I was not grateful 17 months ago before I sobered up and before I was finishing things off. But today now I'm like, it's amazing what a day looks like. I mean, talking to you on your show, before I was taking some classes, learning how to be a better public speaker,

more motivational speaker, so on and so forth, and then just finishing up working on book number three. But yeah, so basically you got your spiritual win, you got your personal win, and then I'm gonna brain fart on the radio here right now and think what the third win I'm looking for is, let's see, personal, the educational side of things or whatever.

So anyways, but yeah, so you get all those three in, every day, you don't have to worry about anything else, and it's just that aspect of it. and it's as simple as reading, writing, being creative, being, you know, praying, praying for somebody you don't adore. You know, so that's, that's been my new one is this whole aspect of you, you pray for three people you don't like, you know, and yeah, my list is getting smaller and smaller. You know, if I got a buddy out there, a good friend, and he teases me all the time. He said, I don't like you, Ryan, at all. And we get together three times a week.

So I just pray for you three times a day kind of thing. And I'm like, that's not very nice, but I can understand that. Sometimes I'm not a very nice guy. Pete Slauson Yeah. I mean, you know, there's a joke I had earlier that I don't remember what it was, but it passed through. But yeah, you were talking about big guys and little things and little guys, a big thing. You know, as you were talking about stereotypes and stuff that people have, most people call me a big dick, but it's not because of anything to do with my organs. It's mostly just that I'm a big fucking dick. So there's that.

I get called that a lot. It's a late joke, boys. It took a while to cook that one. Anyway, it actually cooked on the spot, but it took a while to get around to it. So I dragged that in there. Drag callback jokes in the show, Chris. Go ahead, do it. Delayed timing, which is another dick joke. Anyway, you mentioned two or three other books. Is there, this is your first book and then is there some more in the can or coming out soon? Yeah. So it's basically under the umbrella of our protector development, just like the consultancy

side of things. And being from North Dakota, we're the whole state slogans like be legendary. So I'm going with our protector legendary leadership consultancy. So Our Protector LLC is what it is. But basically underneath that umbrella, you have the first book, God Only Knows and the Devil Comes For You, A Second Chance at Life. The second book, which I believe will come out probably August, September timeframe from what the publishers are saying is the Icarus effect. And that will get into the highs and lows of our emotions and kind of what we talked about, but I think before we came on the air is, or just in the beginning, maybe if all of

us have feelings and for me, it was more so men have feelings too. And that'll take you through the highs and lows of my life and where, hey, you make varsity football that freshman year, you're on top of the world. Like you're dating the head cheerleader and you're going to homecoming with her and then three games into the season right before homecoming, you blow your knee out and you're at the, in the Valley and she's not going to homecoming with you. And, you know, then you start your alcohol and drug addiction, you know, but that goes through the next 30 odd years and kind of takes you through some ways. Harvard's got a great study out there on emotional intelligence versus obviously

our mind of being the smartest Einstein person on the planet. Emotions are more important than how smart you are kind of thing. So it gets into some of that kind of stuff. And then the third book, we're still playing with the titles, so I'm going to probably send out some requests and surveys for people to be like, I like that one, I want this one, or hey, I could come up with one better than you guys again, Ryan, kind of thing. But basically, like I said, same thing under our protector development, but looking at kind of the 24 hours to live, six steps to survive today or something to that effect. Basically, like I said, same thing under our protector development, but looking at the 24 hours to live, six steps to survive today or something to that effect.

But it's got six very important steps in it that will help all of us out. But it's a 90-day prayer meditation journal to get a habit in life. And then with that habit, after 90 days, you can basically go about your business and try to live a happier life or at least a life full of joy and peace which I had neither 18 months ago. Wow. Yeah. And so let's talk about your consulting company that you do. What are you doing now over there? Tell us, give us a dot-com just for updates. Yeah, ourprotectordevelopment.com yeah, you know, right now in the early stages, so it's a lot of one-on-one and a lot of pro bono, but basically, you know, getting those of us who

have struggled, whatever it may be in life, getting you back on the beam. And, you know, the goal is to, you know, bring some of my risk management side of things that I did, you know, help within the Fortune 500 America realm to corporate America, but basically developing all those tools, our good tax dollars went into this guy for almost a quarter of a century and that great strategy that you can use to be a better leader, actually be an amazing legendary leader is kind of what we're going for because I don't know if we do such a great job, you know, seeing that from certain leaders and, you know, probably 50-50, you know, for every great leader I had in the military, I had one that, you know, I certainly would kick

out of bed for eating crackers kind of thing, you know, so it's one where, you know, and I hate to say this, but in Fortune 500 America, I would say 25% of the leadership that I had was worthy of keeping in bed kind of thing. It just was one that you just didn't have great leadership. And I think it's just a lack of, it could be two things. I think fear comes back into play once again here of losing your job or, I don't know, not knowing what you're doing. None of us have this figured out.

You know what I mean? Yeah. That's why we share each other's stories with each other. Cause you know, that's, I didn't get an owner's manual in the mail. Evidently you didn't get yours either. I'm still trying to find the guy who got it, but so that's why we do the show. We just ask everybody who appears on the show, we go, Hey, did you get the manual on life and from the city to come in the mail when you're a baby, it's all those answers on it.

And they're like, no. And I'm like, geez, neither did I. What are you going to do? Yeah, exactly. I call it failing forward. That's what we do. Failing forward, hope springs in new. That's the beautiful part about the human condition is hope.

If it wasn't for hope, I think we would, we'd all be lost. So there's always that. Let's get a plugin here. You had a project that you support, uh, this organization that helps PTSD and veterans. Yeah. Bravo Zulu house, director Tim Murray has taken on this challenge. And that's going to be amazing.

Cause let me look real quick in my calendar, but the ribbon cutting ceremony is on 28 may. So this is Bravo Zulu house. It's in Winnebago or Winnebago, Minnesota. So about two hours south of Minneapolis, but it'll be the first all veteran sober house in the nation. Wow. I have 13 beds.

And there's not more of these. What the fuck? I do not know. I know that a big push though is for us to continue to get them in other states and then also to have the first all women are all women's house as well here in Minnesota, but it's basically, you know, those of us who suffer from PTSD and I think what I say, 98%, you know, of us are addicts as well. I think what I say, 98% of us are addicts as well.

And it's just, it's so sad to see how destructive, having one post-traumatic stress disorder and then addiction on the other hand, and we meld those together, just the lives that can be destroyed. I mean, you think of mother's father's, brother's sister's cousin's, all the different things out there that we suffer from until we get the necessary help. And you know, for me, I was fortunate enough, I came, you know, I didn't go through treatment

came off the street and found an amazing home group here in Maple Grove, Minnesota. And that's one of those things where, you know, I was challenged, you know, the for whatever reason, the good Lord, you know, put me in that room. And you know, those who were there challenged me said, Hey, we challenge you to come back, you know, next week. And I actually had a good friend. He's actually my little brother today and no brother from another mother, kind of a step brother per se.

And you know, he, he's a friend of Bill W's as well. But it's one of those aspects where he got me into the rooms and, you know, he, he's a friend of Bill W's as well, but it's one of those aspects where he got me into the rooms and did 90 meetings in 90 days. And that's where I really solidified, you know, what my program looks like and, you know, how I want to live my life one day at a time moving forward. And it's, you know, basically it's that servant leadership that I would have had in the military just wanting to volunteer and be part of the green machine. Now it's part of civilization and truly giving back to everybody else who's given in some

way, shape or form. I just can't imagine now going back to the selfish prick I used to be. So yeah, it's just learning one day at a time now. There you go. That's all we do in life, man. I mean, I thought I had the answers when I was young. I think maybe we all do, but certainly at 57, I learned new things. I learned metropolis, this is today.

I got to work on how to say that. So I've still learned new stuff. There's more new stuff to learn. And then they just came out with this thing called AI and woo, I want to learn your life., it's great you're doing these things. I love this project that you mentioned, the Zulu, let's give a.org out to it, bravozuluhouse.org and you can check it out. Looks like they're helping veteran, veteran suicide folks is really bad. I think it's 70 or 40 people a day. It's, anything above zero is too many. You know, our veterans are some of those precious people in the world. They stood up for our democracy when we had one.

It's 20, 25 people. Anyway, they put their lives on the line, their bodies on the line, their families on the line. And you know, the other thing is, we've had this conversation a lot on the show. And I have with my military buddies I game with, you know, our veterans are taught some of the best leadership skills in the world. That's why we have such a great military, is because of the leadership skills that are taught to everybody. And you know, these folks, they ran along with billions or trillions of dollars with their equipment that they had to care for, take care of and utilize and stuff. I'm sure that you can trust them with the stapler at your office.

Yeah. Yeah, I would also think- You write that joke down. That's actually a great one. You think of just private Joe Snuffy, private Riker kind of thing and the amount of equipment that he signs for compared to what, I mean, you know, it's just, you can trust him with the copier. It's going to be fine. I just, I laugh at that. No, it's, but you know, it's, it just kills me because these, these are

leadership quality people and people that God, if you want to have me in your organization, they know how to get shit done. They know how to be accountable. I mean, you know, get the fuck around in the military and find out, you know, they got shit to do and rules. And to me, I mean, if I had a choice between a veteran who served in the military to somebody who was just a Joe on the street, I'd pick the veteran for everything I know about him. I mean, just the leadership qualities alone. I'm working on my second book for leadership and I'm looking at the Army's Be No Do that they have in their training.

Then each branch has their own. I think we've had one of the West Point guys on the show for his book who teaches leadership at West Point. And yeah, I mean, if you're out there looking to hire people, look for veterans, man, because you know, they're, they're not going to break the copier. They've, they've had billion dollars of, they're at least, you know, when they show up or whatever, you know, kind of thing, they're 110, they're 110%.

They're the dudes, man. It's like somebody's thousand percent. So give us a final pitch out as we go out for people to order up your book, reach out to you for consulting services, et cetera, et cetera. Absolutely, Chris. Thank you so much. Yeah. So ourprotectordevelopment.com is where you can come check everything out.

It's got everything there for you, but it's also, God only knows when the devil comes for you, a second chance at life. It's on Amazon right now for pre-order, 3 June. You'll be able to at least get the, hey, it's on its way in two days. You can get it. And basically after that, like I said, just keep looking out for our protector development, wherever you go. And yeah, looking forward to being of service wherever I can be.

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