The Chris Voss Show - The Chris Voss Show Podcast – Gusta & Gusto by Lea Sakran

Episode Date: January 26, 2024

Gusta & Gusto by Lea Sakran https://amzn.to/3u6RozI Leasakran.com Here are six free Coupon Codes: 3 Coupon Codes for audiobook 1, "Gusta and Gusto" 5Y2KTYX430T4 6PWYVIDG2ZCT SDHY9SCMYN1O 3 Coupon Codes for audiobook 2, "Gusta and Gusto with Commentary" MATTMU2MUO40 RZCPAI4JGZIF A5BGYOKOU6V5 If you enjoyed listening to the stories, I would be thrilled if you were in the mood to receive a review from you. Only if you are in the mood, and I promise to tell the dragon :) You could leave your reviews, for example, on Downpour, Audible, Amazon, Goodreads, etc. Gusta, the rhino lady, goes through different life situations with her friend Gusto, a rhino gentleman. In its simplicity, each of the twelve chapters has a deeper meaning, with Gusta and Gusto going through humanized emotions and circumstances. However, in a fantastic “animalistic” form, touched with the breeze of charming humor, poetry, and animalistic wisdom. Timeless issues: how to live a meaningful life, stand up for yourself, learn about friendship, transmute your mindset, and train your focus on positive, empowering beliefs are themes within these stories. But also, contemporary issues are discussed: for example, Gusta’s Flamingo friend stopped flying with her feathers but is now taking the plane because the air pollution is too high. No way: Miss Flamingodream doesn’t want to risk her pink plumage fading in color or, worst case scenario, that her pink plumage turns grey. Peppered with a colorful circle of friends, there is always something to do, and when there is nothing to do, this is also an adventure. “Just jump into the refreshing mudbath and trust,” Gusta would say, and then with a promising pirouette, just flow within your creativity: for what you imagine—you create. Gusta and Gusto are not bound to a specific age group but rather build a bridge to connect different generations and thoughts with each other. Each chapter can stand on its own and beholds a message for small and big people. Wisdom and hope are valuable ingredients offering life a special glow and, last but not least, evolving within an evident attitude. Gusta and Gusto refresh and inspire our spirit with this gentle sprinkle of salt: connecting hearts through generations.

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4Chest Chris Voss, and Chris Voss 1 on the TikTokity, so you can see all the latest stuff the Chris Voss show is up to in the new year, and all that good stuff. As always, we have really cool people on the show, and we're excited to have her today. Lea Sacron is on the show with us. She's a multilingual

voiceover artist, narrator narrator and writer storytelling is her passion and she's got her two new books that she has gusta and gusto that are in audiobook form and coming out in other forms soon to be happening and her latest update to that gusta and gusto with commentary that just came out 12-5-20-23. And we're going to be talking about her, about her experience and what she's done in her life. Leia has a solid background in music, acting, and dance. She is an author, narrator, and multilingual voiceover artist in English, German, Swiss, and French.

She's lived in different places around the globe and learned to adapt to various circumstances and look at situations from different perspectives. This is one of the key aspects of storytelling, as Leah points out. Inspired by her colorful mix of backgrounds and experiences, she's the author and narrator of the aforementioned books and wonderful stories around humor, wisdom, and personal growth,

which Spoken Realms in Blackstone Publishing have published. She's a storyteller at heart, and now we have her live on the show. Welcome to the show, Leah. How are you? Hello. Thank you for having me. I love to be here.

Thanks for coming. We love to have you as well. Give us your dot coms. Where can people find you on the interwebs? It's my name, all written together. Leah Sacron, L E A S A K R A N.com. There you go. And is there any other plugs or thank yous or anything like that you want to

share out on the show? Well, I'm also on Instagram with my name. I'm on SoundCloud also with my name. Yeah. That's LinkedIn, of course. Yeah, that's LinkedIn of course. LinkedIn, always a good place. Lots of business transpires over there.

That's the business version of the social media sites. Give us a 30,000 overview of your two books now that's been updated with commentary, Gusta and Gusto. Well, their stories are of two rhinos with very humanized emotions, and they're 12

chapters actually also talking about life challenges. Also, rhinos have life challenges in a humanized way, but they have this different attitude to it because you can look at things from different points of views. And obviously, since they're rhinos with human emotions, they also have very creative approaches to actually deal with challenges and find solutions. Also in a very creative way, which can be a great empowerment if we listen or hear these stories. And what inspired you to write these characters in the book? The interesting thing was, in the beginning, I actually wanted to make a podcast with these stories. And by chance, I heard many years ago, a father, he had to travel abroad and he always told the stories to his daughter. But then when he traveled abroad with his wife, they found a solution

that via a podcast, he will tell the stories to his daughter. And then I thought, oh, wow, that's a lovely idea. I also like you know to anyhow because I'm a voiceover I would like to tell stories but this was actually the inspiration I had and then I thought oh I'm gonna write stories about unicorns in form of a podcast yeah but then i publisher he said oh it would be lovely also as an audiobook then i did the audiobook but there's also there are two rhinos and in the end there's always a unicorn is that a theme through the books well in the end there's always the unicorn i don't want to give away too much okay the unicorn it's always a nice thing to have a unicorn in your life. There you go.

Let's put it that way, yeah. We call that Fridays around here, having unicorns run around. Oh, yeah. But I'm not sure what that's about. Inside, tell us a little bit about your journey through life and what inspired you. You know, you're really big into storytelling. We talk about that a lot on the show,

how stories are an important aspect of human nature, human development, human history, and how stories are the owner's manual to life. So tell us your story. My story of life? Yeah. Okay. Okay. little child and also writing it was it was so natural for me it was so obvious to deal with situations to reflect about situations to write down situations and then fantasize how things could develop it was it's so deep within me it's like and I also play the piano. So music and writing was actually always the vehicle to deal with situations.

And then I worked for a long time also as a script writer. And I worked for the theater. I directed plays also as an actress. And in the opera opera I also worked and I did a lot or as a scriptwriter a lot of promotional videos and then I also did the casting for the voiceovers and I think if I think back now I actually was always also a voiceover I I just was not aware of it, that my pathway through life, it was a journey to realize how important my voice is. And I actually also, you know, working as an actress and as a writer

and as a voiceover, to hear my voice and to a voiceover to hear my voice and to know it's important that I can communicate important messages through my voice and that the world hears these messages. So I think it's actually my vocation. There you go. And when was the first time you started recognizing the importance of telling stories? Did it happen early on? Did it come from the influence of

Yes, already when I was like, you know, when I could start to write. Okay, when I was six years old, I always played with Barbies and I invented stories. You know, it's all about storytelling. And then I, soon I started writing also, you know, when I could storytelling and then I soon I started writing also you know when I could

write I always would write diaries or I always would send postcards to people telling them you know I went to the forest and then I saw a rabbit and there was a nice green tree and then I went home and I wish you a lovely day you know, it was always about me seeing things and writing about them. And by writing about what I've seen naturally in a natural way, a story and a situation actually was recognizable, I would say now. There you go. So you're a natural storytelling storyteller from a young age. And, you know, people, it's, I didn't wake up to this fact until I was 50 that, you know, movies, TV, print, you know, different types of media.

It's all storytelling. It's all storytelling. Like just never, like the light never went on my head, but I've been telling stories all my life and collecting stories. I've been a story collector, agree on if you will. And, and,

and I love people like yourself who collect stories and spin them and, and tell them. And, and you know, this is the inner part of it is entertainment. Part of it is we learn through that entertainment, human nature, you know,

none of us got an owner's manual in the mail. I'm still waiting for mine at 56 but stories the ways we learn they're ways we learn mistakes of others and we also realize that we're not alone in the world you know that there are other people that have the same sort of struggles we do and maybe they have some ways to resolve it that maybe we're not equipped with yet and so stories is just such a great way to navigate life. Yeah, and it's also about we can connect through stories, I would say. You know, you tell me a story, and then I said, oh, right.

I also found a similar, you know, a story, and then I want to tell it to you. So it's also about connecting, you know. Also the slogan kind of, gusto angusto, to take it back. It's connecting generations, connecting hearts. And storytelling is also, you know, it's about friendship, I would say. And building rapport, getting to know another person, getting to know their journey, and you telling them yours, and that's how we go together. There used to be an old thing where when people would meet or they would be travelers, like in the Old West or something, before that, they would break bread together. And so a traveler would come in and say, you know, hey, can I take refuge at your place? And the stranger would, they would take them in and they would do what's called breaking bread together, which means eating over food. It's kind of like what you would see Anthony Bourdain do,

meeting strangers and getting to know them over food and part of that storytelling. And so that used to be the old TV. You'd invite the stranger in your home and he would tell you the tales of the road and places he'd been and bring the world to you. And then you'd probably tell him some of your tales of, of the road. And, and that's how we always kind of were communal as human beings. And then you probably tell them some of your tales of, of the road. And,

and that's how we always kind of were communal as human beings. And that now we, you know, we have TV and all this other things. So let's get back to your book, Gusta and Gusto. What's the core message of that? Can you tell us?

Cause I know we can't give away a lot in these books that are novels. I think the core message is for the listeners that they feel empowered. And, you know, to take yourself serious, to take situations serious, but not too serious. There always needs to be also a certain lightness. And not to believe everything you think also, but kind of to find creative ways how to how we can you know we we have one situation and we can deal with it in 10 different ways and gusta and gusto they go through humanized situations but they obviously it's fantasy but the fantastic way they actually deal with situations can be a great inspiration also for ourselves looking at life and knowing where we want to go to and also to ask the questions, you know, what is my goal and how can I get this in a positive way yeah it's it's it's a thing yeah not everything you think is like probably the best for you it's not a lot of stuff you know like i'm usually

thinking about pie at any given time and i'm like i should get some pie and then my body's like no you've had enough pie so we don't need any any more pie. Now, what are the stories, the books, and audience age group that you're targeting here? It's any age group, I would say. I mean, obviously, because they're two rhinos, they say it's for kids or for teenagers, you know, juvenile fiction. But it's also in the genre humorous stories. So it's for any age. There you go. And fun is of all ages.

Because you've got to have fun in life. Now, you put out the one book, Gusta and Gusto, and now you've released the Gusta and Gusto with commentary. Tell us the difference and why you released it that way. You know, my publisher, he was always also very kind and close you know and i'm very grateful for spoken realms and blackstone publishing and there was the idea you know through the stories to connect generations connect hearts friendship and obviously my daughter is younger than i am i would hope so that's usually how it works i would hope so she's also an actor.

She's not. You should check with the authorities. I'll check. Yeah, I'll check her passport. So she's also an actress, storyteller, and works also in music and voiceover. And we do many things together, and she loved these stories. And then we thought it's about connecting generations connecting thoughts and you know we don't always have the same opinion but it's not a problem we still are friends and we find ways oh that's interesting how you like it look at it because I think the important aspect is the generation where I was born, for example, and also one of the stories deals with this.

It's about your job needs to give you security. That's the main thing. It's not about having fun. I think we were about the same age. So there were different values. And now in the generation of my daughter, I really feel it's a completely different value that you say, I want to do something I really enjoy. You know, it's not anymore that you need to continue the business of your parents. It's not anymore the same as it was like 50 years ago, I would say. And this is also very interesting, actually, if we look at the stories, also one story deals about this, how we actually from

generation continue beliefs that we understand we are now in a different time and different ideas and different values and experiences can actually be a great impact talking about life and stories of life. So it's very nourishing to look from different perspectives, from different times and value content upon the stories. There you go. Now, you initially reached them on audiobook. Do you plan on bringing them forward to Kindle or a book? I'm actually thinking of it. Yes, yes. Technical aspects are always a challenge, but I won't be afraid and I will try to find a way also you know to get it on kindle

it shouldn't be too difficult i think because you already have the text right or it can be transcribed too so yeah yeah absolutely i love this idea and i've thought of it before i love audiobooks though and it's available on audible.com by the way folks as well the I love audiobooks though, and it's available on audible.com, by the way, folks, as well. I love audiobooks because I can listen to them while I'm driving. I consume a lot of audiobooks while I'm driving, because driving's kind of a waste of time. You're just sitting there in the car.

You can sit there and enrich your mind, enrich yourself listening to a great audiobook. Then, usually, it puts you in a good mood, in case you run into bad traffic. You're just like, I'm enjoying a great audio book right now. So I think that I think that can make a difference, definitely in listening to audio books. Now, do you do you also do multilingual voice over artists work for other for other writers? Well, I have this offer currently on my website that if you have a book and you would like to transform it into an audiobook, obviously, yes, you can contact me.

And I'm also happy to give a free excerpt that you just get a taste also of my my voice and of my narration yes of course and i can see that on your website you've got your voice of free audio samples audio samples you've got your portfolio of work that are up here and then of course you can do them in different languages you're quite verbose in different languages i guess yes i'm actually also thinking to do gusto angosto in german and maybe also in spanish at the moment there are also narrators auditioning to do the narration in spanish because i think that's the great thing actually to have one story in different languages because it's also about you know stories they're everywhere and there shouldn't be a language barrier it's also about, you know, stories. They're everywhere, and there shouldn't be a language barrier. It's about emotions. And then you also do help with script writing and translation and synchronization?

Yes, I do, and dubbing. There you go. Overdubbing, so like when you have to change a swear word to Bob or something, so it doesn't... Ever seen some of the weird overdubbing they do to block swear words? It's kind of funny. I have some videos on it where it's kind of, especially in the old days when swearing was like a really big deal.

They'll put some, you know, somebody, you know, say some swear word and they overdub like, it's like, what? What the hell are you doing? And there you go now i noticed here on your website for about seven years you gave courses in creative writing do you still do that currently not but i thought maybe i could but you know i can't do everything i thought maybe online i could you know once a month if really people would like it but i gave creative writing

courses for seven years and the people you know they would have loved to continue but then I said stop that's it after seven years I you know okay you know maybe with a different approach there's still people who are interested I I'll see but I actually I, I really focus on my voiceover work as a voiceover artist. And I also have another project I'm going to write for soon, you know, in the near future. My publisher is already waiting for more in the genre poems. I don't want to say too much, but it's going to be great. It's going to be awesome. It's going to be awesome. It's going to be awesome.

There you go. Awesome poems. That would be a nice title, The Awesome Poems. There you go. A nice little haiku or something. I don't know. What's the future of, is there any books you're working on in the future? Are you going to keep rolling out the Gusta and Gusto series with different scenarios?

Actually, my audio producer who did the mastering, he recently said, what about the evil cousin? When is this book going to come out? So I'm going to keep it in mind. Maybe. Yeah, I could do an evil cousin. The evil rhino cousin? Is it a rhino? Of course. Or maybe it could be a dragon, you know, the evil. Dragon it a rhino of course oh maybe it could be maybe it could be a

dragon you know the evil dragon yeah dragons yeah you know usually not good people yeah yeah i think are there any good dragons i don't know i don't know there are good dragons i read a lot of dragon books i'm sure there are good dragons was that one show that had the dragon on it with the blonde lady? And it was a medieval sort of mixture of fantasy and reality. Yeah. Yeah. Was the dragons good in that show or the evil or both? They were kind of like good for her, but bad for anybody she didn't like. That's how it worked out.

I saw one show with a cute dragon. Oh, really? He's a very nice dragon. Yeah. Wow yeah and there was always steam coming out of his nose because he tried to scare the people maybe i could write a story like that no one was scared of him because he was so cute that's it that might be a really great story story i don't know if i saw this or if i just invented it now. Maybe. So, like, the steam comes out of his nose because he's afraid of people as much as people are afraid of him. We should write that story.

He has to learn to somewhere, you know, it's got to be some young kid who crosses the boundary. And some young kid goes, he's not evil. He's a nice dragon. I'm going to go pet him and you know thereby you know they're they're best friends now and everyone's like hey how the hell do you work that out that sounds like a story yeah yeah yeah and often also i think with our thoughts we build up a huge thing but you know just approach it and you know you could talk about prejudices like you know people have racial prejudice or they see people and make they jump to conclusions about who people are and

and it's an example or an allegory or whatever i flunk second grade where basically you know don't have prejudices and get to know people you know it turns out it's not really a mean dragon at all it's great that you're saying this also within the stories of gusto angusto there is really there is also the story where you refer to all the countries that no matter in which country you are it's all about human beings who just want to be respected and to be heard and seen it's always no matter where we are it's always the same theme yeah everybody wants to be respected or at least have courtesy and and and be treated like a fell human being with dignity that's always important so yeah there's there's probably a whole probably a whole story just send me your residual check and we'll be fine i'll let you

write it uh i mean i don't have that kind of imagination to do novels. I'm a business guy. All I can do is business books. I wish I had that trick. But you folks who can write novels are just magical in how you can story weave and build characters. And I don't have any of that talent. So I'm going to let you hold that. But you just gave me a great idea.

So maybe. Well, come with it, I'll be proud. Just put in the dedication. Thanks, Chris Voss, for a great idea. I really appreciate it. Idea from Chris Voss. Subscribe to Chris Voss Show. He's got the good ideas.

That's what they pay me for. I'm just an idea guy. Final thoughts on the book as we go out. Is there anything we didn't touch on about the book that you want people know about i would like that people know and that's also one of the slogans of gusta angosto that what you can you what you imagine you can create i strongly believe this and that you believe that beliefs actually can move things into a direction you want to it's all about energy yeah energy and and belief and storytelling etc etc what's some of your advice for people who want to write like you do, who want to maybe write stories like this?

Hopefully they don't steal the dragon idea. I hope so. Better write this story quick and get it out. Yeah, I'll get it off the show. I want residuals from everybody. At least put me in the dedication. Absolutely. For everybody who writes that damn story.

But what is your writing method do you use? How do you, do you sit down every day and write? What sort of process do you use when you write? Actually, the stories, they just come to me. Wow. I can't say, it's so, it's, I'm just actually listening what comes, comes you know it was with the rhinos they were just here and then i just wrote the story and what i'm actually it's it's here everything is here already it's like if you paint you know a painting you see it in your at some point it's ready and then

you just paint it and i have the comparison with music you know i studied for a long time i was at the conservatory in san francisco with music yeah before i went into acting but anyway it's a different story but um before playing i was also playing for competitions competitions, I would just look at the sheet, at the notes, and I would just let it settle. I wouldn't even play for a long time. I would just go through it always in my imagination, in my ear. I felt the movements in the fingers, but without moving. And then at some point, I knew now I'm ready. And then I started playing it and it was, I was already very far just through my,

through the imagination of playing the music piece. Wow. And you know, you also do this in sports, for example, that you go through the pathway, for example, runners, and you do it with your imagination. Yeah. It's so interesting how you guys can build that out in your heads, how it just comes to you.

It's a practice. Is that what you find is the important part the practice the building of that muscle in telling stories i think it's important to to believe that you can do it because we have you know self-doubts they can be very strong and someone once said, the greatest enemy you have is yourself or your thoughts. And to discipline your own thoughts into the direction you want to go and that it's positive. And I recently made a really interesting, I had a very interesting experience. I read in a book, it was about, thank you for believing in me before I believed in myself. And I actually misunderstood it, this quote, because I didn't read everything.

And I thought, wow, that's really a marvelous quote. Because this means, thanks for believing in me before I believed in myself. That somewhere in your own DNA, there is already the belief you have for yourself, like a grain before it blossoms. But they said the mentor, a mentor actually believes in you before you believed in yourself. But my misunderstanding, I really liked the way I misunderstood it. Sometimes that story is better. Yeah, it's great, isn't it?

So that's why what you imagine you can create. I think all information is in the universe and you can touch upon it if you give yourself the permission to create your own great life and educate yourself and say if there are thoughts which harm you, you know, just throw them out. Yeah, you don't want to keep the bad thoughts. No, you don't want to. That's what the judge tells me I can't do anymore. With that voice in my head that says kill, kill, kill all the time. I get one of the ankle bracelets off this week. There's a stack of them. And the judge says no

more bad thoughts. But no, I remember, I think it was Stephen Wright, the famous comedian who always did that smug comedy. One of his jokes was sitting i was sitting watching a football game with my 100 year old grandfather and there was a replay of a touchdown and he he thought it was real that they got another touchdown and i was going to tell him that he was mistaken and then i realized the game in his head was probably better. And it's always stuck with me. I'm like, that's an interesting perspective. You know, like your interpretation of what someone was telling you, you know, and your story turned out better.

Good for you. I mean, that's the beauty of creativity. You take something that everyone knows, you make it better, and then there you are. There's the fun of that. When you go through your work, knows you make it better and then and then there you are there's there's the fun of that when you go through your work what why do you love doing audiobooks and voiceovers as opposed to writing in prose or do you is there preference i think voicing a text it actually i mean obviously if Obviously, if you write it, at some point, you know, there's a spark of life.

But through your voice, you actually additionally put a light on it and it can sparkle. Because, you know, you voice what you wrote. It's like a marriage, I would say, a positive marriage. She knows, Ruth. Yeah. it's like a marriage i would say a positive marriage seeing those movies yeah yeah there's there's just some magic happening and also you know if i voice the text which i wrote or you know some text of other people i feel is there the flow is there maybe a word i need to change that there's a better flow? What is, how do I give the sense of the meaning, what I would like to, that people feel? And it's actually, I'm taking the listeners, I'm not saying by their ear, by the hand, and we do this together if you it's a different approach if you read a book and you read it on your own you hear maybe your own voice or you project maybe a voice of a

narrator you like but if you actually say okay i want the narration of Leo Sokran, you actually say, I'm trusting this story and I'm trusting to be taken by the hand and doing this journey and going this journey and enjoying this journey with now the narrator. I enjoy because I enjoy the voice. I enjoy the pauses. I enjoy the voice. I enjoy the pauses. I enjoy the rhythm. I can emphasize with the way she tells the stories.

That's why you also, you know, many people, they stick with certain narrators because they just can identify with them or they just, it gives them something where they really feel nourished and, you know, at ease and comfortable. There you go. There you go. As we go out on the show, give people a pitch out in your final thoughts on the book. Tell them where to buy it. Give them a pitch out to pick up the book wherever fine books are sold. Well, you can find it everywhere. You can find it on Audible.

You can find, yeah, on Amazon. You can find it everywhere. There you go. And I know you said to me in the green room you wanted to thank your publisher and all that stuff. Do you want to throw that in there? Yes. Thank you for reminding me.

Yeah. So I really want to thank Spoken Realms. I want to thank Blackstone Publishing, Stephen Cohen from Spoken Realms very much, and the whole team of Spoken Realms. I want to thank Morrison Ellis, who is one of the best audio producers, I would say, for mastering everything, for also the great talks we had. I want to thank Jason von Winkler, the illustrator of the covers and the valuable discussions we had where I could actually tell him what kind of emotions I wanted him to illustrate with Gustav and Gustav, which he really did in a perfect way.

And I want to thank my daughter, Laura Dana Rose Sokron. It was so inspiring to do in the commentaries, the stories with her, it gave this freshness and always kind of in a good provocative way, an inspiration, how we can hear elements of stories in a different way. And it was a lovely work that we did together. And I think also the value of relationships between parents and children. I think this is just such an important aspect of life also to have the courage to connect and make beautiful things together. And she also performed in a lovely way, the bear, where she did the voiceover. So if you hear the bear, he's called Ludwig Bear Mountain.

Remember, this is my daughter. There you go. There you go. Well, it's been fun, Lea, to have you on the show. We really appreciate it. Thank you so much. Thank you. And give us your.com one more time as we go out.

And I think we're going to have some giveaways on the Chris Voss Show. Yes, absolutely. People can look for the codes for that. So look on the chrissvossshow.com post, and you can see the codes and different things that are offering there. Okay. So once more, leasacron.com in one word. Shall I spell it one more time? Sure, please do. Okay, so it is L-E-A-S like Sandra, A-K-R like Rome, A-N like news.com.

There you go. So thank you very much, Leia. Thanks for tuning in. Go to goodreads.com, fortuneschristmas, linkedin.com, fortuneschristmas, christmas1 on the TikTokity

and all those crazy places on the internet. Be good to each other. Stay safe. We'll see you guys next time. Thank you.