The Chris Voss Show - The Chris Voss Show Podcast – Harrison Smith on New Gay Conservative Dating App: BAEsed

Episode Date: May 5, 2025

Harrison Smith on New Gay Conservative Dating App: BAEsed BAEsed.com therapistofwesthollywood.com About the Guest(s): Harrison Smith is the founder, CEO, and creator of Based, a revolutionary new dating app specifically designed for gay conservatives. He is a licensed mental health counselor with extensive experience in trauma recovery and addiction treatment. Harrison's mission with Based is to provide a unique platform for gay individuals who feel alienated by mainstream dating apps and traditional conservative spaces, promoting real connections through shared conservative values. Episode Summary: Join Chris Voss in this eye-opening episode of The Chris Voss Show, where he chats with Harrison Smith, the visionary behind Based, a new dating app catering to gay conservatives. With a background in mental health therapy, Harrison shares his motivations and journey in creating a community-focused platform that celebrates conservative values while promoting authenticity and personal growth. Explore the entrepreneurial challenges and unique features of Based, including its personality assessments tailored for conservative users. In an engaging and candid discussion, Chris and Harrison delve into the complexities of both dating and entrepreneurship. Harrison walks us through his experiences of feeling culturally isolated within both the gay and conservative communities, leading him to create Based. Discover how this app is not just another dating platform but a supportive community where individuality and respect are prioritized. Learn about the innovative features and entrepreneurial insights that make Based a standout in the realm of dating apps. Key Takeaways: Harrison Smith founded Based to create a dating app for gay conservatives feeling alienated by mainstream platforms. Based focuses on community, personal growth, and authentic connections through shared conservative ideals. Harrison leveraged his mental health background to design in-depth personality assessments fostering self-awareness and better dating choices. Entrepreneurship in tech can be daunting but rewarding, and requires constant problem-solving and a belief in one's mission. Based offers a unique space where gay conservatives can openly express themselves without fear of backlash. Notable Quotes: "Coming out as conservative was harder than coming out as gay ever was." "When it comes to personal growth, it's hard to figure out where you belong if you don’t have a true understanding of who you are." "Base is much more than just a place to swipe. It's a space for real connection, shared values, and unapologetic individuality." "The best therapists you'll find are the craziest ones. They can manage it." "If you're part of the gay community and just don't identify with the mainstream gay culture, then join Based."

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Anyway, we have an amazing young man on the show. We're going to talk to you about his new dating app that he's launching. And it seems like everybody's got a dating app nowadays. I don't know what that's about, but you know, people need personality. It's kind of like when they used to be a magazine for everybody. And so you gotta, you gotta have stuff that's designed for you. So we're going to get into it. We're going to be talking about B.A.C.E.

the premier dating platform where values lead the way to love. And B.A.C.E. provides a distinctive platform for gay men and women who hold conservative values offering a unique opportunity to connect with peers. We're gonna be talking to the founder, CEO and creator of it and getting into what he has to say about what he's built and what he's done. Harrison Smith, he has a bold new dating app specifically designed for gay conservatives. He's a licensed mental health counselor with years of experience in trauma recovery and addiction treatment.

Harrison created BASE after witnessing how many gay individuals felt politically and culturally alienated by both mainstream dating apps and traditional conservative spaces. BASE is much more than just a place to swipe. It's a space for real connection, shared values and unapologetic individuality. The app includes in-depth personality assessments to promote self-awareness, better dating decisions and personal growth.

It's designed for gay men and women who don't identify with the mainstream gay culture and are looking for something real without compromise. Welcome to the show, Harrison. How are you? Good. Thanks for having me. Thanks for coming. We really appreciate it. Give us your dot coms or wherever you want people to find you on the interwebs. Absolutely. So if you're looking to download B.A.S.T., you can check it out on based.com

and that's spelled B-A-E-S-E-D dot com. We're on both the Apple store and the Google Play store. You can find our Instagram at getbased. Or if you're looking for my personal Instagram account, you can go on Instagram at Harrison's Graham, H-A-R-R-I-S-O-N-S-G-R-A-M. So give us a 30,000 over you, a base and what it does. So essentially I created based because as a gay conservative, I've experienced firsthand how both isolating and hostile the mainstream gay culture is and can be. I saw that there was really no space for people like myself, people that, gay people that

hold, that held conservative values, where we could just be ourselves and just be authentic in relationships and in dating. And so that became my mission. And how long have you been working on this project? For a little over a year now, actually. I had this idea back in December of 2023. And then when I make a decision, I hit the ground running the day after. I just jumped right in.

So that January, right after the New Year's, I started looking right in. So that January, like right after the New Year's, I started looking up developers and I'm just a licensed mental health therapist. So I've never been in the IT world, literally calling people like, how do you create an app? How does one do this? And then here we are. How do you get those buttons to press on the app

where you do the dialing? So you've created this thing, you've launched it. People can download it right now on Google Play and iTunes, is that correct? Absolutely. And you can go to their website and do that. They've got, of course, social media across the thing. Now explain the conservative part to me.

Is that a political conservative thing? I'm doing this because if someone's out there in the audience and they're like, is this maybe better for me than Grindr or something? What's that definition line there? Absolutely. So when we say conservative, we mean yes, politically conservative, but not even just politically conservative. We mean just conservative lifestyle or just ideology.

And so what a lot of what, if you're looking at download base, if you're not just politically conservative, but also again, if you're someone who is part of the gay community and you just feel like you don't fit in the traditional mainstream gay culture, then this is the app for you. Yeah. Was there aspects, what are the aspects that kind of drove you to want to do this that you feel weren't, the aspects for you and people like you that you feel weren't the aspects for you and people like you that you feel weren't being handled by the Broadstream green, say these other dating apps, you know, but what were some of the, you know, the things that you're running into that

were problems that you needed to solve? One of the things that I saw when I was on other dating apps or just even friends or people that I know that are on other dating apps complaints that I kept hearing is just how shallow and especially in the gay element of it, typically how hypersexual it tends to be and overly performative. And again, if you're looking for a deeper connection, that's a huge part of the reason of why I created Baze is because it's about community and creating deeper connection outside of just the hypersexual, shallow,

performative, formative world. Wow. You just shamed my whole dating process as a heterosexual. No, I'm just teasing. I'm just teasing. Welcome to therapy. I said, welcome there. And you're a therapist too.

That's what we like on the show, the duality. We get a dual service here. We get to psychoanalyze Chris Voss and find out he's batshit, and we get to promote people's entrepreneurism products. Is this your first for we get to promote people's entrepreneurs and products. Is this your first foray into being an entrepreneur? Yes and no. Cause I said, I have my private practice. So that was my first time actually stepping out and doing my own thing

and creating my own business. And that was, that was daunting in and of itself, but I would say that the tech world has been a lot more difficult than just starting a private practice, but it's been a great experience. I'm extremely happy that I did it. It's, you know, and you're learning a whole new thing. I would love to start an app. I'd love to, you know, to create a SaaS website.

Man, I tell you, it's difficult. It's hard and it costs a lot of money to build one of these things. So you're going through the gauntlet as an entrepreneur. Most entrepreneurs do go through a gauntlet of learning something new and growing it and trying to figure out the widgets to make it work right and innovations and stuff like that. So you're definitely having fun with that one. What was the question? Oh, I've seen Don Lemon complain about how when he goes to conservative events, political events, he gets hit on all

the time by other men. And he finds it kind of funny because, I don't know, the Republicans kind of, you can't ever figure out where their stance is, I guess, on gay people. Maybe you can, but it seems like there's a lot of them in the party. And then evidently when some of these big events go on for Republicans, I guess Grindr lights up in the party. And then evidently when some of these big events go on for Republicans, I guess Grindr lights up in the area. So I assume from both those points of data, there's a lot of people out there that could use your app because they're conservative and maybe looking for something more. Exactly. And when it comes to the hostility that a lot of gay conservatives, honestly,

most gay conservatives get, especially when they're openly gay and conservative, most the hostility we get comes from people that aren't conservative. And again, I wanted to create a space where people could just be their authentic self and not just in left in left groups or communities, but also within the Republican Party, you see that a lot as well, where people aren't the most accepting of us, but yet we still have conservative values and a lot of traditional values.

And so again, the huge element of the Y Created Base is to create a sense of pride in who you are, no matter where you are. And yes, especially those people that tend to be closet in the conservative world, come to B.A.C.E. and just be who you are. Pete Slauson And then you've got some aspects of B.A.C.E. that make it unique and different. I think you've got, I'm going to try to pull up the page, there it is. You guys have in-depth

personality assessments, tailored profile experience, community of respect as some of the features. So walk us through some of these applications you guys use to make yourselves unique. Kevin Kroemer Absolutely. So the personality assessments were obviously inspired by just my background in mental health. My own personal journey and just, in mental health, you know, my own personal journey and just, I guess, my own personal growth is one of the things that led to Based in the First Place. And especially an app that's dedicated to community, not just in relationships, but just, I mean, not just in dating relationships, but relationships in general, I always tell people it's hard to figure out where you belong

and where your community is and who your community is if you don't really have a true understanding of who you are as a person and who you are within yourself. And so that's why I really wanted to incorporate personality assessments in the app that people can utilize so they can get a deeper understanding of themselves and then grow as people. All of our personality assessments will give you insights

into who you are as a person, will talk about your strengths or weaknesses, that it even gives insights and suggestions on how you can improve upon certain aspects of your personality to kind of help you navigate yourself, not just in dating and relationships, but just in general. Pete Slauson Could you help me with my personality assessment? Because my problem is I have three or four different personalities and names. Sybil, I need some advice on how to hone it down. The judge says, I can't use the, the, the personality of kill me, kill, kill, kill. Who says that all the time? I can't use that anymore. Evidently according to judge, I can

help you with that. I just might say, well, at the end of the hour. Based on based on knowing you knowing your personality, it might be pretty happy. Yeah, you're most most psychologists when they meet me, they order a boat. I'm going to boat. We got this guy for the next 20 years. Is the boat for you or

for them for them? Yeah, they're I think they call me the whale the boat because of you know how much I'm going to I'm going to it's going to have to cost to fix me. The dentist does that to me as well. I can retire after this. I can retire on this one. Yeah. And if you ever don't have enough of people to be therapy retire, I can send you, I can send you people that maybe I might've gone on dates with.

So I, and I kind of erupted there to get that joke and I apologize. So in-depth first salient I can send you people that maybe I might have gone on dates with. And I kind of erupted there to get that joke and I apologize. So in-depth personality traits, tailored profile experience, I'm not sure we can get you to pick up where I interrupted you. Oh yeah, no, I was saying, oh yeah, when it comes to the difference, there are a couple of others, a small number of other dating apps or websites that have personality assessments, but one of the key differences between us and them is that if you go on the other ones,

again, they're not geared towards conservative values. So ours are specifically tailored to conservative values and to conservative people. And then also, again, when it comes to the insights that we give, the personal insights that we give and the suggestions that we give for personal growth, after you finish taking our personality assessments, you don't see that in other dating app websites

that have personality assessments. Usually their personality assessments are just like, okay, answer these questions and based on these questions, these are the people who you'll be better or worse off with. And it's not just about that. Again, a big element for us is personal growth. So we don't want to just help you with matching. We want you to help you just grow as just develop as a person.

That would be good because that really impacts dating. If you're really underdeveloped or let's just say shitty, we'll just, I think that's a scientific term person, you know, it's really hard to match with people. I mean, cause, cause you know, I mean, no one wants to partner up for the rest of your life. A person who's, you know, still acting like they did as a teenager with undeveloped personalities, you know, lack of self accountability, lack of self-awareness. I know some people are trauma bonded by that.

So I don't want to shame anyone's marriage, but you know what I mean. And so you guys are building it as a community, you mentioned as a community of respect, so that's kind of interesting. So you're going to make sure that people respect each other's beliefs and values and build community. Yeah. And it leads me into just the hostility aspect that a lot of gay conservatives get. Um, it's people tend to hate us a lot. And so we get that a lot on social media or just in person.

A lot of my experiences, especially when I was living in LA, when I was in West Hollywood, it was very, very liberal area. When I came out as conservative, it was like immediate backlash. I got harassed, kicked out of places. It was just, it was pretty. Really? Yeah. So you came out as coming out as gay and then you had to come out as conservative too? Coming out as conservative was harder than coming out as gay ever was coming out of easy. That was a cake walk compared to coming out as gay ever was. Coming out of gay, it was easy. That was a cakewalk compared to coming out

as a gay conservative. You were in West Hollywood too, so I've heard some things about West Hollywood. I go down to that Pink's there, down the street there, the Pink's Hot Dog place. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I think it's right down the block. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I've seen some people walking down from the clubs there that clearly are from a gay club. down in Hollywood. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I've seen some people walking down from the clubs there that clearly are from a gay club. You guys are girls. I never can tell. I don't know what that means. I've seen it. I've seen it all.

I'm sure you have. I don't know. It sounds like a lot of fun. Maybe I should, maybe I should switch teams and then I'll hear less complaining, pitching and moaning, and then I'll just have fun more. I've often thought about it. Cause like I've, I've had gay friends that they cruise some of the competitor apps for you.

Do you want to, do you want to throw some shade at some of the other competing apps? I won't name them. I already did name one, but I won't name them anymore. But do you, do you have any other ones you, you want to maybe throw some shade at that maybe you're better than them with some of the innovations you put in there? You know, I hate to place value judgments on anything. However, I'd say there are other dating apps out there. There's one that's actually somewhat similar to ours. It's like DateRite or something, but they don't have an option

for gay people on their app who are excluded on their app. And the funny thing is when I, so one of the reasons why I came up with the app is because I went on one, many, many bad dates. And I remember coming home, and this was in December, when I came up, 2023, when I came up with the idea. I remember sitting on my couch and I just remember thinking, I'm like, there's gotta be an app out there for,

because there's an app for everything, right? And there's gotta be an app out there for gay conservatives. I did the normal thing and Googled it and nothing came up. The only thing that came up was that app, like the date, right? Or something. And then I was like, okay, cool. So I downloaded it, tried to make an account and I was like, oh, this is only for straight people. So I said, literally in that moment, I made this decision. It was like this divine intervention where it was like, I'm going to do this. And so here we are. And you've got that great background of psychology where you can help build the questionnaires

and the personality tests and try and figure out how people are and maybe help them figure out who they are. We could certainly use that over in the hetero community because we have a lot of bat shittery running around that hasn't figured out who it is. And it's got multiple personalities. So you'd have to have five tests for them in your app. Pre-personalities. Honestly, our personality assessments, honestly, anybody can take them.

So even if you are straight or whatever you are today, because of this ever growing list of things that people say they are, you know, anyone can download the app and actually get something out of these personality assessments. I might, I might require it for first dates or coffee days at this point. I'm really thinking about that hard in my head. I'm going to actually ask my dating groups that I run what they would think about having requiring a date to bring her, no, I have a personality assessment done. Certified results.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, do you, do you, as a therapist or maybe within the app, do you, do you ever think we've had lots of people on the show and lots of dating apps on the show too. We've had people on the show, they've talked about the attachment styles. Yeah, that's it. The, you know, there's, I don't remember, I'm sure you know what I'm talking about. Is that part of maybe what? Attachment styles?

Do you believe in that? Is that a thing? Yes. That's actually one of the personality assessments that we have. We talk about that. Your attachment styles. People are going to like Chris is on his app. That's what's going on.

He was part of the testing group. Oh yeah. Yeah. The, so basically P Diddy and his freak fest parties aren't welcome on the app. I would imagine. Is that, is that kind of the freaky zone of staying away? No, that's based after dark maybe, but no, not currently. I mean, I don't want to judge anybody for their kink, you know, go ahead. No, judgment's free zone.

Yeah. We don't kick shame on the Chris Foss show. Whatever you want to do folks, be weird. It's life. It's short, it's long. Do Whatever you want to do, folks, it'd be weird. It's life. It's short. It's long. Do what you want to do. As long as it's consensual. Good point.

And over 18. I'm looking at you trying to think of a celebrity who's recently gotten in trouble for that under 18. I can't pull one. Sorry, folks. I can't get all the references. It's a tight show. What else have we discussed about the app that can entice people to download and get involved?

Again, if you're looking, if you're part of the gay community and you just feel like you're not part of, you just don't identify with the mainstream gay culture, the place for you. And again, when it comes to just being authentically yourself, you know, this is a place where you don't have to worry about any hostility or backlash.

Cause that's another thing that we see on other dating apps. It's like you'll actually see that commonly in people's profile bios that says if you're a conservative, don't even bother to match with. Really? Yeah, I see that quite a bit. And so let's just bypass that and just get to the things that matter, which is getting to know the person. And so yeah, come to base.

And again, when it comes to the hostility, I had actually as early as two weeks ago, I was in Mexico City and someone on social media messaged me, it was someone that I know back home. And they messaged me. They saw that I was enjoying myself in Mexico City. And they were unhappy that a conservative was enjoying themselves in Mexico. And they were unhappy that a conservative was enjoying themselves in Mexico. So they very kindly insinuated that they hoped that I were to get S aid or mugged in Mexico City.

And they said it would be sure would be ashamed for them to see me on the national news. So that's a little taste of a hook up. And I thought heterosexual people were the nastiest group of people being one of them. You know, I mean, gay, gay people, I think there's some communities as people do some jokes about how you guys like, you guys have the reputation of being some of the most happiest people in the world. You know, I can't remember if there's a community that does a bit about it, but he's never knows how gay people are always so damn happy because they're

having sex all the time and he knows how married people are so unhappy. It's cause they're having sex all the time. And everybody knows how married people are so unhappy it's because they're not having sex. Marriage jokes, that's what Chris is good for. Do you think that, I know there's a lot of, and I've had gay friends that they've coupled up, they've gotten married, sometimes they've adopted children, but you know, they're into that marriage sort of thing. Just maybe, I don't know if you call it traditional, but forgive me if you hate me for that word. But maybe, you know, they want something long-term. They don't want the hookup culture. They want, you know, they want to get to know a partner and live with them and then be miserable for us in life like most heterosexual married couples. Adam Lickman Yeah. What a base of that you're looking for.

Pete Slauson Yeah. Not the miserable part. I'm sure, but those are just jokes. People know, right? I mean, right now all the married people are like, no, they're fucking this guy again. Now I have the gay people doing it too. Now marriage and marriage. Anyway, so it sounds like, yeah, it's, it might be a better place. If you're one of those people who's seeing a long-term relationship, maybe you gave marriage, maybe, you know, having that whole life, you know, I've known

people that they, they were, they were married gay for their whole life. They lived with a partner for 30, 40 years. And you know, there's people that have that, but that hookup culture is pretty crazy. It's crazy both in the gay culture and it's crazy in the heterosexual culture now. And it's about, for heterosexual culture, it's about 90% of the dating activity that goes on right now. I mean, 85, I'd say 85%. And you know, it's hard for people because if you're someone, you know, I'm a person

who would rather not date a lot of people. I'm 57. I don't have time for that anymore to be a playboy, but you know, it's what people are doing. They just run around slapping each other with their privates and that's fun for them. But some people, you know, they want some more. I would like a relationship with a woman that I can invest my time in and everything else instead of just investing horrible dinners up and around there.

So that would make a difference. Now how long has it been launched? Is it available in every state? Is it going to be international? That's a good question too. Yes. So it is currently, so it's currently on available for download and use on again, both Apple store and Google play store.

We launched about two weeks ago. So yes. So we're currently gaining followers. We're currently getting users. So this is the perfect time to join, especially because we have different tiers of used to subscribe and right now is the perfect time to join because the smallest tier is currently free. So you can download the app and just utilize it

and get a taste of really what bass is about. Maybe get Donald Trump to endorse it and then he can take it to the Republican convention. And he loves the gays. He would be one of the first to want to. I think that's a quote from from him actually I love the gays He does he's actually I've been to I've been to little gay events with him where he's come the keynote speaker Yeah, and he's just he's crazy supportive of the case. He actually went up to two of my friends

Who are gay he goes up to them? He's a handsome guy. It's handsome bad. You guys both He loves us easy. He's a big supporter. Secretly, I've heard rumors that he's a power bottom. I'm just teasing folks. I don't want any parts of that. Of that rumor. I don't know anything about that. So they We just do the jokes folks. We do comedy. So I'm looking at the screenshots on thing Tell us about how the profiles look,

and I see you can have a voice message. I see some of the searching and matching you can do. Does it automatically do any matching for you or do you have to do your own? Kevin Noonan So it's going to be the classic model, a card model where you're going to be swiping left or right and to find matches. And yeah, so we have, we really want to show personality on the, on the profile. So we have different prompts that you can add that people can respond to. You can show a plethora of photos. Eventually we'll be able to add videos to it as well. We have voice memos, voice messaging that you can put on your profile. So yes, we really want to show and emphasize personality as well as,, you know, who you are as a person. Yeah. In fact, while we were sitting here talking, I took the personality and relationship

assessment and the answer is, it says I should go into the woods and stay away from humans for the rest of my life and die alone. There's that. Okay. Yeah, we're all about honesty. I think you actually nailed it. So that's, that's what I hear from most of my ex girlfriends. The other thing is, so what was this, you know, we talk about entrepreneurism and one of the reasons we feature people on the show with products like this is the entrepreneurial journey. What are some of the things that have helped you, you know, problem solve, innovate, attack this, you know, you're going in, you're going kind of blind because most people, they, they kind of know something about something or maybe they work at a company that does this thing and they go, hey, I can make a

bigger widget and they go do it. You're kind of really just jumping right into the technology field and data and all these weird things that work in the sky, evidently, to keep things going. So how did you gird yourself for that? How do you deal with it in your head where you're like, you know, problem solving and dealing with all the issues you have to overcome on a daily basis? I'm just a tad little bit crazy.

And you're a therapist. That makes me a really good, the best therapists you will find are the craziest ones. To be quite honest, you need that on a coffee cup. And I actually might make some merch with that on a t-shirt, but honestly, they're a little bit, I was like, you know what? Okay, this is going to be, this is going to be difficult. I knew it was going to be a journey. And I, I self-funded it myself with my own money.

So I was, I really believed in the app and I really believed in what we were doing. So I just said, you know what? I'm, you know, this is what I believe in and And I feel like want to help my community in doing this. So just dive right in. I've always been that type to just dive right. Once I make it, like I said, once I make a decision, I'm just all in our plan for it as much as possible.

But then I just, I just, I just jump and then just kind of see where I fall. And that's what a lot of entrepreneurs, that's to be an even entrepreneur, you know, you just get in, I've said this before on the show and I really think it's important. I was talking to somebody about the other day, they need to change the term entrepreneur to problem solver or eternal problem solver. And I remember, you know, I've been an entrepreneur all my life since 18.

I remember I was watching, there's this guy on Tik Tok and he, he brokers, corporate plane or private planes. And, and he lives in England and he, you, he brokers corporate plane or private planes. And, and he lives in England and he, you know, he's built this, I think for 40 years or someone he's had this, this company and he's, he's like the proponent of it. You know, everybody meets with him, but you know, he meets, you know, top multi-million dollar people. Maybe I should hook you up so you know, you can get into that. See if you can just sign some people up there. I don't know, but he, I remember he was doing a walkthrough of his day and how

he does it, he does a really interesting thing where he works out in the middle of the day and like, I don't think I can do that and go back to work, but he was walking along and he says, you know what's funny is I'm in my sixties. I've had my business for 30, 40 years now. He goes, you would think with everything that has gone on with my company, that would just be routine. Okay, same problem, same fix, just do this, blah, blah, blah. There's some of that. But he says, you know, there's new technologies, there's new this, there's new that, there's some new quandary, the client can get his money from Dubai,

and you got to figure out how we can get the plane over there and the money over there. You know, there's all sorts of different, you know, anytime you make a deal, there's a million ways to kill it. And he's, you know, I just think of myself as a problem solver and all day long. It's all I do in my company is solve problems because it's funny though. I always have new problems that I've never used before. And I was like, you know, that's really what entrepreneurs, we're just eternal problem solvers and every day we show up and, and it kind of becomes a little easier when you

think of it from that aspect where you're just like, you know, you show up for a day and you're like, Hey, the apps down, it's not working. You're like, fuck. I've helped launch a lot of apps at that South by Southwest. There's nothing worse than when you're on the ground promoting it and people are going, I can't log in and sign up. And then you ring the developer and they're like, yeah, one of the developers pushed a sandbox update and it wasn't supposed to go live, supposed to go in the sandbox and they pushed it live.

And now nothing works. And you're like, we're here promoting your app. You know, there's always a craziness that comes on. But when you think about it from the aspect of just being a problem solver and being like, okay, here's the next problem, solve that problem, next problem. I've never owned a company in 30, 40 years, how long it's been, it feels like a long time. I've never owned a company where there hasn't been new problems. AI, of course, is coming out and different things. Do you utilize any AI in the app? Eventually, that's one of the things that we want to use. We want to use AI to eventually in the, in the matching field. And then a couple of other, a couple of other areas, but currently testing right now.

What about, what about date reviews? I'm thinking in my head and I'm half doing comedy here, but you know, I was just thinking, and I think we've talked about this before about myself and friends about how we need an Amazon review process for dating. We need to say, you know how on Amazon it says, the 50 people bought this product, eh? Or sometimes it gets a higher- Verified buyer. Verified buyer.

Or sometimes it gets a high review. There's sometimes they go buy something and there's a warning that will come up from Amazon now and it goes, this product has a high return thing. And I'm like, ah, I'm not buying that. Cause a lot of people return it. I think we need this for humans. Now. I think we need a review process.

I think I need a letter from your psychologist. I think you need a good look with that. Basically a college application as well. Yeah. But then we need reviews, right? Because I'm tired of going to dinner and hearing the past 20 boyfriends she's had were narcissists. And you're like, were you hanging out at the narcissistic clinic most of your life?

What was going on there? How did you nail down only 5% of the population? And yeah, so I think we need that. So think about that if you would, maybe play in your app. Absolutely. No, one of the things I actually tell, I'll even tell my clients, I'm always like, I just, you know, I'm a person that just me personally, I just like to get straight to the point. I don't like to, I just don't like the, just the fluff of it all, I guess you can call it. So I was like, when I, when I meet people, I'm always like, how many kids do you want?

Do you want to get married? Credit score good. You know, what's, you know, what am I What am I working with? I always encourage people, just ask those questions, just direct. You will save a whole lot of time. And I encourage people of my app to do the same thing. I guess I never really thought about it, but the same issues that I have in the heterosexual community are the same issues you have over there. If you're looking to build a life with somebody, especially when you get to your older ages, you kind of want somebody who's got their shit together and you know, they're not a train wreck that you're gonna have to spend all your time cleaning up.

Like explains the first half of my dating life in my thirties, but no, like credit score is a big thing for people. How they hand their finances. Like honestly, one of my biggest problems in dating right now is number one, masculine women, I don't find them attractive and they should probably go on your app at this point. The sometimes their life situation, you know,

they've got, you find out they have five or six kids and they've got, you know, they're $50,000 in debt on a student loan. They're upside down in their car loans. There's a lot of people sitting on the car loans from COVID right now. It's pretty fucking crazy. Sometimes 50 to 100 grand. And then, you find out they've got just this whole mess going on. I don't worry too much about people's credit score per se, but just their amount of debt. Because as a man, I know when I move into these situations, guess who's going to pay for all that and clean it up. And does that work that way in the gay community or do you

guys all share equal or it just depends on the couple? Chris Honestly, it just depends really. I mean, typically always, usually you'll find that there's usually one more or less dominant partner in the relationship. It just depends on how, really just how traditional the individual people are. And probably what they're looking for long term, you know? I mean, if you're kind of looking to date somebody and slowly get to know them,

or a little bit of hookup or whatever, but if you're really saying, you know, I want to find my person, I want to marry them, or live with them, settle down, and you know, so you want somebody who's in a situation where they're, you know, they're not, you want somebody who's in a situation where they're, you know, they're not going to be a liability to you, where, you know, your net worth is going to go down, you know, whatever, because you got with somebody with back credit and other issues,

because it's hard to build life with those sort of people. You can't buy homes, you know, if they're upside down and dead, you know, you just look at them. And just to clarify early, when I said six kids, there's nothing wrong with having six kids, so I'm not six kids shaming anybody, just to make sure. It's just for me, a guy who doesn't have six kids, that's a bit much. And that's just my personal preference. So just want to make that clear. Cause otherwise people, when I'm with six kids are going to write me now.

And they're all wonderful people. So what else haven't I asked you about your app that I should ask you about? Or, or we should know. And they're all wonderful people. So what else haven't I asked you about your app that I should ask you about or, or we should know? I think we really went through what my app is about. You know, you're a great interviewer, you know, you did a good job. But I would say, again, yeah, our app is up and running and it's available. And so we're welcoming people that, again, if you have the same values that we're looking for, again, just either completely conservative or just personally conservative or just, again, you just don't really identify with the mainstream gay culture, then again, this is the place for you. Then if, again, personal growth is your thing. Pete Slauson Don Lemon says he gets hit on all the time at

Republican inventions when he covers them for news. Maybe you could have him, you could take him an affiliate code and he could hand out the app when he gets hit on or something. I'm a marketer. I think of these things. Don Lemon He'd be a good sponsor, that's for sure. Pete Slauson He's got to have something to do because that CNN gig dried up on him. You know, it was funny you mentioned, let me see if I can pull my reference here. I was funny you mentioned that the craziest therapist might be

the best. That explains why Ted Kaczynski has been my therapist up until the time he passed away. That could explain. That explains a lot. Right now, every girlfriend or every ex I've dated right now is sitting, listening going, yeah, yeah, that explains a lot. That's Chris. I'm a horrible person. That's why I'm single eternally. But no, that's, that's kind of funny when you think about it. I mean, crazy people, I mean, they know the lay of the land, so then they can help other people deal with it. You know, if you've got somebody who's sane, they're talking to crazy people, they have no identification

of what they're going through. Yeah. I think it's the best ones are the ones that are crazy or have been crazy, but they can manage it at this point. Like those are the best ones. That's usually who I'm looking for in the heterosexual community to date, the ones that can manage it. Anyway, so as we go out, give people final pitch, tell them how they can onboard.coms,

et cetera, et cetera. Again, if you're interested in joining BASE, please come. We're welcoming all. And if you want to find us, you can find us on the Apple and the Google Play Store, or you can go to our website, base.com, B-A-E-S-E-D.com to find out more information about us. If you're looking for my personal Instagram, you can find me on at Harrison's Graham, H-A-R-R-I-S-O-E-D.com to find out more information about us. If you're looking for my personal Instagram, you can find me on at Harrison's Graham, H-A-R-R-I-S-O-N-S, G-R-A-M on Instagram. Pete Thank you very much for coming on the show,

Harrison. And I'm glad everyone, you're building a space where everyone can find a place for themselves because, you know, everyone's got a different flavor and different things they like and, you know, it's important to be able to find that community, communities everything. themselves, because everyone's got a different flavor and different things they like. It's important to be able to find that community, communities everything, and as human beings, and they can develop that. And of course, you're going on a second entrepreneur journey there and building a thing. I'm just jealous because I can never do apps and technology. I just, I look at code and I just, my brain goes, where are the tits?

No, I'm just kidding. Where are the tits? No, I'm just kidding. Where are the babes? Like I, I, God bless men and women that can look at code and they can see the vision of how that works out. I just don't have it. I'm still working on two plus two equals four. By the time I'm done with you in therapy, you'll be able to at least do, you know, 10 plus 10. That's 20 years from now. So let's not push it. Anyway, thanks, Harrison. We certainly

appreciate you coming on the show. Thanks, Matan, for tuning in. Go check out the website there. Maybe take the personality test. I'm going to be referring masculine women over to him because I think that's probably what's appropriate now at this point. Also- Go ahead. I was going to say also, again, if you're looking for a more in-depth personal growth, I still have my private practice, so you can still find therapistofwesthollywood.com. Oh, give us that dot com one more time.

Therapistofwesthollywood.com. And who do you usually work with? You normally work with men, women, people in the gay community, straight, or just anybody who's crazy? All of the above. Yeah. No, but I specialize in PTSD, trauma, OCD, and substance use and addiction. So if those are an anxiety disorder, so if those are things that you're struggling with, then definitely reach out if you're looking for it. Just like all the above for me right there. OCD, scroll. You know, all those problems I have.

Actually, most of the PTSD I'm suffering is from dating. I need to do a standup bit on that. That's common. I can probably pass that out. But I'm glad you've made an app for people that are suffering from dating app syndrome, dating app burnout or something, and they need to find something that works for them. So everyone needs to find the person they love in life. That should be a guaranteed, I think. But I don't know, but that's probably why I'm still single after 57 years.

Anyway, thanks for doing it. You can go to good reason.com for it says Chris Foss, LinkedIn.com for chest Chris Foss, Chris Foss, one of the tick tock and all those crazy places. They're gonna be good to each other. Stay safe. We'll see you next time. That should have a sound. Lots of fun.