The Chris Voss Show - The Chris Voss Show Podcast – Health and Economics for Men by Marcel Sales

Episode Date: September 20, 2026

Health and Economics for Men by Marcel Sales https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0H3QWJ4Q1 https://covenantbooks.com/books/?book=health-and-economics-for-men The book Health and Economics for Men is designed to advise men on health issues such as spirituality, diet, exercise, sleep, and other subjects and how they have intertwined in the author’s life.

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Some guests to the show may be advertising on the podcast, but it's not an endorsement or review of any kind. Today's featured author comes to us from books to lifemarketing.co. dot UK. With expert publishing to strategic marketing, they help authors reach their audience and maximize their book's success. Today we're going to be talking with an amazing young man about his book called Health and Economics for Men by Marcel Sales. We're getting into the deeds say. I'm not really sure that's what they say, but I just make it up so it must be true. Born in Pensacola, Florida, lives, he also lives in, where he lives in, where he lives in,

now in Rockford, Michigan, married for 25 years to his wife and four children. He went to Grand Rapids Christian High School and Hope College, where he worked for 20 years in Kent County Schools, and he owns a family cleaning business, attends Solid Rock Worship Center Cedar Springs, Michigan. Welcome to show, sir. How are you? Thank you for having me, Chris. I'm doing great today. Thank you. And I'm doing great, too. It's one day. One day, above ground, every day above ground is always a good day, right? Oh, sure. I'm happy to be alive. I thank the Lord for that. You and me. So let's get into it.

Now, give us any dot-coms. Where do you want people to find you on the interwebser? You can go to Covenant Books website, and you can, if you're looking for my book, you can find it on Amazon, Barnes & Noble, some of those retailers and wholesalers. All right. And there'll be a link for it on the Chris Vos show, as it were. So, please give us a overview of what's inside this new book. Basically, it's a book of advice for men. It's not a book where I'm telling anybody how to live their life. I'm just giving them advice from experience.

I'm 61 years old. I've been through many experiences in life. I give tips on diet, sleep, exercise, spiritual, and just work and rest. and nutrition. So I cover all those areas, and I basically want to present the whole man, not just a physical man, but also a spiritual man, and an emotional, mental, all the areas that a man deals with in his life. There's a lot that goes into being a human being.

It used to be had a very, I think maybe black and white thing, like, go be strong and be a man. You're like, what the hell is that? I know the gym part, but what does this be a man thing? And I think is maybe our species has evolved. Can you call it evolve at this point or devolving? Anyway, it seems like we're going up and going once a four or two steps back, I think, maybe. But men have learned there's a whole lot more dynamicism, dynamicism, is that a word, into being a whole human being.

And there's a spiritual, there's emotional, and spiritual, you don't have to be religious. You can, but just having a spiritual nature being in tune with your emotions and maybe the vibe of the world, if you want to call it that, whatever your beliefs are, it's really important. I find a lot of spiritualness and photography and meditation and things of that nature. Some people find it going to church and different things, but it's an integral part to building a complete human being, I think. And you've learned that after most of years, it appears. Oh, sure, I have. And you can't be weighted too much toward the physical or too much for the spiritual. You have to have a balance.

Yeah. I can't just be reided out and go to the gym all the time. I did that. I did that growing up. But spiritually, I wasn't healthy. Physically, I was very healthy. I was in great shape. But unfortunately, I was a heavy drinker.

And so I had to come to a point where I had to seek spiritual help. but I did that through a prayer in my senior year of college. Oh, really? And was that maybe a turning point for you where you started thinking about these other things you talk about your book? Yes, I think that it started a journey, a spiritual journey, without leaving out the physical. I think you're locked up on us, Marcel. If you can hear me, you're locked up on the screen. Marcel?

Marcel? Marcel? I think we lost. I think I heard the word journey and then you disappear for about a minute. So I don't know if you can. Yeah, so the journey is still ongoing. It's an ongoing process. I start every morning with a prayer.

I do continue to exercise three to four days a week. So I try to get a balanced in my life. We all need each other. It takes a community, right? Absolutely. Absolutely. I think that's a problem that men have had over the last decades, at least in America, where we think we can be independent. We don't need help from anybody where we can handle anything. And it's not true. You need a community around you that you can seek help if you need help. You can pick each other up. Yeah. And you can have other people you can delegate to and write. with and stuff like that. These are really important. So let's kind of hit on these topics. You talk about body, spirit, mind, and soul. Let's start with soul, maybe if you want. If you, that are you pick your

favorite? The reason why I put soul in there is I believe every man is a soul. And, and, and so I, I treat them as a soul created by God. So somebody that, that, that has value. They have value because God created them. And that's why I include a soul. And I go to spirit where a spiritual man, and then the body, obviously, you have to take care of your body. You physically have to take care of yourself. And mind, you have to exercise your mind. You have to take care of your mind because your mind really controls the rest of your body. Yeah. And what's in the, what's in the saying what's in the mind, the body mirrors, or maybe it's vice. Sure, the mind.

I think doctors say that the mind controls every movement that you have and even the heart from what I've heard is really controlled by brain waves. I think that you certainly have to take care of your mind. And if you're not sleeping well, that affects your mind. Oh, yeah. If you're not eating well, that affects. affects your mind. If you're not exercising, and that can affect your health, which will affect your mind. And obviously, I pray every single morning. That's the first thing I do. So spiritually,

I have to also be in tune with the Lord, Jesus Christ. Yeah. And that's really important to have the spiritual balance. Sleep, like you mentioned, like that was one of the most important things I learned in my older age. The sleep is so important. You need that eight hours to heal. And man, when you get our age, I'm 58, you're in your 60s, you need that sleep for your body to heal itself from all the havoc that's being wrecked on it, especially with age. I don't function well if I get four hours of sleep. I can do, I can do the whole day if I get six hours of sleep. But if I do four, I've got to get at least four hours again, or people we're going to get murdered. The murder in might start. Just as I can't do the murder

anymore. So, you know, you got to, you got to stay on point. But no, I am not a good person if I don't get enough sleep. And I even driving a car, just going out into traffic and stuff, if I don't have enough sleep, I feel off. I can kind of feel that I'm just not on my sharp game. And that's not the place I want to be as a traffic with when I'm not fully, I can tell I'm just not getting the focus right for what I'm doing. And it's kind of like a, there's kind of like a vague, or what's, it's kind of a haze sort of to my thinking and mind. And I can recognize that. I can, and then when I get eight, I got nine hours of sleep yesterday for some reason.

And I feel like a million bucks, right? Sure, you're refreshed. Yeah. My body did its thing. Maybe I'll just start sleeping 24 hours a day. Maybe that will really improve my quality of my life. You have to be active also. Yeah, that's true.

Yeah, you got to have balance. You got to balance there, folks. That's really important. When it comes to body, as we get older, it gets hard to do that gym and the roids and all that stuff that I see people do. How do you balance that? As you get older, your metabolism slows down from what? I think we lost again, Marcel. Marcel?

Marcel? We lost about a bit of that. Yeah. If there's anybody in the house, if you could tell them to shut them off or make sure any backdoor. Yeah, it's the internet here. But basically, what I was saying is both my parents were doctors. They were top doctors. My dad was a flight surgeon for NASA.

And my mom was an orthopedic surgeon. So a lot of the tips I get in my book, really, I've heard from them. Yeah. And as you were saying about, my mom used to tell me that metabolism and melatonin that you need for sleep, metabolism for activity, will slow down with age. So you have to take supplements and I take melatonin for sleep. Yeah. And for metabolism, you're going to take certain supplements can help you with that. So there's, you just have to, you have to know you're going to slow down a little bit, but,

but you have to, you have to take care of yourself. And as you get older, you really have to work on taking care of yourself a little more. You just can't live any crazy way like you did when you were younger. And you just don't get away with it so easily. Wow. Yeah, that's pretty wild. And so what was your hope when you wrote this book that people would come away with when they read it? I hope it would help. It's aimed at men. I don't know women's health. So I don't pretend to know

at women's health, but it's aimed at men. It's just, it's giving men tips on diet, exercise, sleep, spiritual, physical, and emotional, and economic, because obviously you're, you've got to work some part of the day. You're going to have to do some work. So you have to back. So you have to balance all those things. And I try to hit on each one of those areas so that a man could, my former pastor, Pastor Robert Gray, said, thank you for the tips. He bought my book. He said, thank you for the tips. That's all I'm trying to do. I'm not trying to tell anybody how to live. I'm just, I'm just giving them tips that will help them. Yeah, a lot of been, sometimes we get focused on just one thing, working out of the gym.

and the spiritual side we need to deal with, the eating well. I went and worked out of the gym a lot, and I wasn't taking enough protein and taking supplements that would help me build muscle and sustain it. And sometimes you get injured yourself. I gave myself two areas working out because I wasn't doing things right and balancing stuff. And working on my core maybe instead of trying to do freaky, wild, heavy lifting and ignoring my core. The mind is another place too. Men need to either meditate or do something where they can sit still with their brain.

And one of the things I do a lot every morning is read Marcus Aurelius Meditations or some sort of their Stoic thing. I usually open a random page to any Stoic book. And I'll just kind of read that page, maybe a page and a half of whatever that topic is. And I'll just kind of ponder what does that mean to me and how can I apply it and doesn't matter for me? And the mind is really important place. What other things can men do to advance their mind and maybe bring some peace to themselves as opposed to just constantly feel like the world is whipping at you? I like to read.

I read all sorts of books. I'm usually going through several books a year, and that keeps the mind active. Obviously, it helps you learn. You're always learning. You never stop learning. And so I like to keep my mind active and keep my mind sharp. and certainly I don't want to put in anything in my mind that might alter the mind either that you want to take care of your mind.

Yeah, yeah. Otherwise, if you don't take care of your mind, mind is a terrible thing to waste. I think that's what they say. In looking back at your journey, and I imagine, I assume that maybe some of this is in the book, what were some things about your life that maybe you would have done differently, if you'd had the knowledge that you had today, maybe not so much regrets, but you're, you're welcome to cap on that if you want. But what are some things that you look back that in your youth was wise as what you did now?

You're doing now. Oh, absolutely. The heavy drinking I did in my teen years and my early 20s, and certainly it affected me. It affected me. And that's in my book. But I think that you live and learn. I think that when you make mistakes in life. Hey, Marcel, I think we lost you again.

Marcel? But when you get in a car, like I was saying, you get in a car wreck. And so as an older man now, I would advise young people to stay away from alcohol. It will alter your ability to make decisions. Yeah. And it sounds like fun. We lost about a minute of audio there again. Was there a car wreck story that you were telling?

Yes, there was. I nearly died in it. I rolled a car when I was 19. I was drunk and on drugs. And that's a lesson that I would not recommend that anybody, a young person that would learn that kind of lesson. Yeah, yeah. That's a hard lesson to learn. I'm really lucky that for all the years, I did a good 20 years of drinking.

I didn't start drinking until my late 30s. And when I got all the house and the money and I set up my own bar at my house. And I then led to too much drinking and partying and having fun. And I always thought alcohol was good for me. I always knew it was kind of probably slightly bad. But it became like a juice for me being an entrepreneur. Like it was for some reason alcohol is like just pure sugar injection for me. And so I would relax, which for being a stressed out entrepreneur is really nice.

And I could do more work later into the night to work on my business. You're working all the time when you sleep, dream, and everything is entrepreneurism when you're an entrepreneur. And I thought it was benefiting me. In fact, I told people, I go, I actually sleep better when I'm on it, like an idiot. Like I just want to talk to that guy and be like, you were an idiot, dude. What are you thinking you can sleep better with alcohol? And then I cleaned up my diet. I lost 100 pounds.

I started listening to my body. and then I got off alcohol. And yeah, I never had a problem with alcohol, like addiction. I don't have an addiction personality. I quit pretty much everything called turkey. But I had an abuse problem. I was abusing myself and my body with it. And I was using a scapegoat and maybe I was trying to avoid certain things in life.

But for a lot of times it was just, it was kind of like an extender at the end of the night. It was a nightcap to get energy to do a few more things in the night or game some more or whatever I was up to. And now I just, now that I've lived for five or six years without alcohol, boy, my body just loves me. Not totally, but it loves me. And I can testify, what a difference it made. Yeah, absolutely. You said it all right there. Yeah.

You have more energy. You'll sleep better. In recent studies, they say, doctors have said that it doesn't help your sleep. Yeah, it doesn't. To drink. I was so BSing myself. For decades, they said it does help you sleep, but now apparently the new studies are saying that it doesn't. It's a wonder of a brain left for all the drinking I was wrecking myself with and all the sleeping.

I totally conned myself on that one. I wish you to go back, but you can't change the past. But it's good that we learn from it, right? There's some people that don't learn. So there's that. What else in your book? book you have in there that we haven't discussed I should be asking about. I talk

about diet. I give talking about well-rounded diet. And it may say it actually may seem funny, but I say use the five food groups as the USDA says and you say we

all know that. We were brought up with that in school. But the thing is, we're always so busy, we don't eat right. Yeah. We're always We're always trying to cram something down at the last minute, and it's usually not very healthy. So I just state an obvious fact. Get the five food groups in. It doesn't matter what type of food you eat as long as you get the five food groups in.

Yeah. Eating healthy has changed my world. For most of my life, I was fast food, 100 miles an hour, even restaurants with high fructose, corn syrup, and trans fat when it was a thing back in the day. And I just ate so much garbage. It was just garbage all day long. I'm just, ugh. And then I learned to eat raw foods, healthy foods, live foods, high quality produce. Now I go to, there's a local farm that I have close to us that has hydroponic growth in it

so they can grow year round regardless of the snow. And so I go there, I get all my salads, some fruits of vegetables there. They make my dressings. And boy, I tell you, that live food, it looks so green and so rich. You want to eat a salad. That pale, light green, weird heads of lettuce they have with the storm. You just look at me and it's like, I don't want to eat that. But man, you look at this life and it stays fresh, far longer because it's not imported

from somewhere overseas on a ship somewhere. And they had to force it to ripen really quickly with methane or something like they do with tomatoes. And then I go to a local farm for my eggs. and I pretty much try and eat high-quality foods, but I do go to restaurants about once a day or twice a day. I try to go to McDonald's or any of that nasty fast food stuff, but I'll go there every now and then once a month, once every two months.

But for the most part, I try to eat healthy, good foods. I try to watch what goes in my body. And then even this morning, when I went out for breakfast to a breakfast restaurant, I got a huge omelet and a huge thing of hash browns. That's just how they serve it. And I portion control. So I eat half and then I box up the other half. And sometimes I'll still be hungry.

And I just have this habit that I've developed of boxing half. That's just so way I am. Women don't like it on dates because they're like, I eat all my food. I'm a pig? And you're the light eating woman in the room. But it's just a habit I have. And it really helps me because the more food you throw into your system, the more your body insulin response and goes, hey, we got to deal with this.

and we've got to maybe pack some of this away because we've got plenty more than we need. And yeah, I can testify and I agree with you, witness to you that, yeah, taking care of what goes in your body, it affects your mind. Because if you have a, we've got a lot of scientists on the show about this, if you have a lot of crap in your gut that you put in there from all these bad foods and restaurants and pop and all this garbage that's out there, it will rock at you. And there is a nerve that goes from your gut brain. They call it the second brain, your gut brain, to your brain. And it will cause swelling in your brain if you're eating horrible foods. And it can make a difference in your day. I can feel it now.

I pay really good attention. So I can feel when I've had some rock gut food and it's mucking with me and it's making me funky. And this is why it's so important. You've got to be an advocate for yourself, I guess. Oh, absolutely. You said it. Eating healthy is going to help you be more active. It's going to help you do with your muscles and everything that you need physically.

If a listener out there feels stuck or unhealthy, what advice would you give them to begin, other than, number one, buying your book and reading it? I'm just offering tips, but I think that there's doctors, there's psychiatrists, there's if it's spiritual, there's pastors, there's wherever you're weeks, whatever area you're weak, there's help. It's basically, I say that in my book, there's help. And I think that's the thing that men over the last several decades, we don't want to ask for help. We're taught that, hey, we're supposed to be able to handle everything on our own.

Yeah. That's really not true. We need our communities. We need our wives. We need our children. We need our communities. We need our nation. Yeah.

Yeah. And that's one thing men have been bred, or at least we used to be. We don't have to ask for help. We can fix it. I meet so many guys that I can fix it. I can fix her. I can fix this. I can fix that.

And I'm like, no, if you're walking off a cliff and you think you can fix it, that's not going to work because you're going to fix yourself walking off a cliff. You know, if you think you can fix it, you can't stick your hand in the running blender and fix it, right? There's just some things she can't just fix. At least that's my opinion. What do you think? The Bible says a wise man seeketh counsel.

So the counsel, listening to wise people around you, obviously people that you know, is part of a whole life, basically, is rather than being independent and trying to figure out everything on your own, We're not meant to do this alone. Yeah, we all need each other. It takes a village and stuff. What else maybe about the book, have we discussed that we should talk about there and get people to purchase the book?

Maybe faith communities and stuff like that. Obviously, I want to put a plug in for my book, and if you could see it right here, that's beautiful Lake Michigan in the background there, one of the largest freshwater lakes in the world. And obviously, I'm on the cover. My wife said, why don't you be on the cover? So I said, okay, I'll be on the cover. And it was her idea for the, her and my son's idea for the idea of the cover. And my brother did

the artistic, Eric Sales. So definitely want to put a plug in for the people that helped me. Yeah. With my book. And of course, for Covenant Books that is published it. And there'll be a link for that on the Chris Foss show. Thank you very much for coming on. We really appreciate having you on the show and your insights. And yeah, men need a lot of work. They can something they can do, you know, the more they can have, the better off they could be.

All right. Thank you for having me. I appreciate it. Thank you, sir. And thanks for us for tuning in. Pick up his book where refined books are sold, Health and Economics for Men by Marcel Sales. There'll be a link for it on Amazon and Covenant Books on the Chris Foss show. Thanks for tuning in. Be good to each other. Stay safe. We'll see you guys next time.

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