The Chris Voss Show - The Chris Voss Show Podcast – Helen Morris, Energy Healing Practitioner and Podcast Host

Episode Date: October 17, 2023

Helen Morris Energy Healing Practitioner and Podcast Host Thebeautifulsideofgrief.com Biography Helen Morris is a certified Emotion Code and Body Code based out of Rotorua, New Zealand. She came across this healing modality after tragically losing her 18-year-old daughter, and only child, in a motor vehicle accident in 2017. Prior to this she worked in the health sector in Health Intelligence, supporting general practices in Hawke’s Bay with national health initiatives and programmes. From 2009 to 2013 she developed and coordinated an award-winning Before School Check (B4SC) screening programme for 4 year-olds, which she also supported at a National level, and contributed to two publications evaluating the programme. In 2012 she was nominated for a leadership award for her contributions locally and nationally to this programme. “There are times in life which are so momentous and pivotal you cease to be the person you were! The loss of my beautiful Tahl Kaleish was one such moment. In the space of an hour I went from being a proud mama of an 18 year old taking on life boldly, to someone who had to learn how to exist without the most important person in her life. This lead me to look at life with a completely new set of lenses from that moment forward. Helen also launched a podcast called The Beautiful Side of Grief in March 2021 - featuring guests who have moved through heart-wrenching loss or those who are at the coal-face supporting this process. It diverse, heart-warming, though most of all it is positive and filled with go-to's that anyone can use.

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Give us five star reviews on itunes go to goodreads.com for just christmas linkedin.com for just christmas youtube.com for just christmas and uh uh the tiktok at christmas one uh we have an amazing young lady on the show today she is helen morris she's an energy healing practitioner and podcast host and she's going to be on to tell us her amazing heartfelt story of grief, loss of a child, finding joy and happiness afterwards, etc., etc. She's a certified emotion coach and body coach based out of New Zealand. She came across her healing modality after tragically losing her 18-year-old daughter and only child in a motor vehicle accident in 2017. Prior to this, she worked in the health sector and health intelligence,

supporting general practices in Hawke's Bay with national health initiatives and programs. From 2019 to 2009 to 2013, she developed and coordinated an award-winning before-school check screening program for four-year-olds, which she also supported at a national level and contributed to publications evaluating the program. In 2012, she was nominated for a Leadership Award for contributions locally and nationally to the program. Welcome to the show, Helen. How are you? I am doing great, and it's great to be here with you, Chris, and your listeners. locally and nationally to the program. Welcome to the show, Helen. How are you? I am doing great, and it's great to be here with you, Chris, and your listeners today. There you go. Great to have you as well.

All the way from New Zealand, that beautiful place where it has all the scenic sort of panoramas. Yeah. Yes, indeed. Yeah. It's a beautiful place to live. There you go. So give us your dot coms. Where do you want people to find you on the interwebs? So basically, if they just Google the beautiful side of grief, then that's going to give them all the links to everything.

I've just recently just changed everything over to that just to make it a little bit easier. There you go. Easy to remember. The beautiful side of grief.com correct there we go and uh so give us a 30 000 overview of uh your experience there and what led you down this road oh my gosh well um let's just go back a little bit so you know i was always a highly sensitive child growing up except i didn't know that. And I was in a family that I felt like I never, ever fitted into. And so as I grew up, I sort of was very spiritual, and I was always sort of interested in that. And so I became a sort of workaholic.

But in my early 20s, I had chronic illnesses. I already had severe Crohn's disease and chronic fatigue. Yeah, I know. And that was from just living like a hugely stressful life. I lived in fight or flight my whole entire life. And, you know, I'd sort of been emotionally abused, sexually abused. So there was loads that happened to me, know in all of those years but the but then I had my beautiful girl when I was 35 so I was an older mum and I was always a little bit worried about that but she just burst into my life unexpectedly and and just

took me on this um adventure really um so she taught me through things like, you know, at 18 months old, she developed night terrors and she had those until she was seven and a half. And honestly, honestly, I don't even know how I survived those years. And at three years old, she also got Guillain-Barre and became paralyzed. And so we went through, you know, getting her to learn to walk again and that. But she was this amazing athlete as well so it didn't matter what she put her hand to she was just amazing at it her go-to was hockey so she was in rep teams from the age and right through a team so I had this incredible child who was just you know sassy beautiful exceptional on all levels and we were just so close because it was just her and I from the age of one.

And then at 18, of course, as you mentioned, yeah, she was in a car accident. So, yeah, that changed my life again forever. Yeah. And did she pass away in the car accident? Was it instant? Yeah. Yeah, it was instant. And, you know, it's a bit of an interesting story because we were just about to move house and, you know, the following weekend of her accident. But for some reason, I changed my mind and decided, no, we were shifting a week earlier so we just shifted into this new home and

she was really excited because she could finally have a cat and um and so she just phoned me two minutes actually before the accident though I didn't know that at the time and she just said you know like um oh no I phoned her actually um because i thought she was at home and she was actually in a town close to us and she said um no i'm just leaving napier um you know i'll meet you at home for dinner and then she had to go off to work you see and she said oh go check out my room that looks amazing and then i said you, you know, probably, okay, darling, you know, see you soon, love you lots, you know, that sort of thing. And then two minutes later she was dead.

And about probably about half an hour I got this horrible feeling come over me and I just knew, I just knew something had happened. And, yeah, and it was like she came to me i i just wanted to go to her i but i didn't know which way she was coming home so i just gosh i phoned her best friend who i knew had the location of tal's phone and um she didn't pick up um so it went to answer phone and i cried and i didn't know why i was crying and then I phoned the police which was so unusual for me to do but I phoned the police and you know um and then while I was speaking to them her friend um you know texted me the location of her phone and so when I said to

the police um you know it's you know it's in Fondon. Can you just tell me if there's any accidents? And they just said, oh, put me on hold. And I just knew. I just knew. And then they came back on and they said, yes, we can confirm there's an accident there. But we've closed the road off, so you just wait at home and we'll update you.

And I thought, like, bloody hell. And so I phoned the hospital because I knew if an ambulance had been dispatched, then, you know, that's where it would be going. And they triply told me, no, we're not expecting anything. So I Googled. And this was all within an hour of her accident. And it was already up on Google. And it just said the headline was a

fatality between a truck and a car and found in road and i thought you don't need to be a rocket scientist to know who the fatality is and uh yeah so a few minutes later yeah the police arrived and confirmed my worst nightmare that's's unfortunate. I'm sorry. So what are the stages you go through after that? Because there's grief and all that issues that go on. So I totally threw those, you know, like I didn't go through those typical stages of grief. Oh, wow. Yeah, because they have things like anger, denial.

But, you know, right from the get-go, I was very accepting that my child had died and that she was never coming back to me. But then I think I also had that experience, that knowing and like I said, I was very spiritual. So that tied into a couple of things. Like I used to always have this really unusual reaction to teenagers having car accidents. And I used to think to myself, oh, my gosh, I couldn't possibly imagine how the parents must cope with that.

Yet here I was in that exact same situation, and it was kind of like a ding-ding moment. Like it was almost like I was being prepared for her passing. And, yeah, I know it's bizarre. So I didn't, you know, go through that denial stage, and I didn't go through anger either. You know, I loved this beautiful girl so so much and I never asked why it had happened it's almost like I knew that on some higher level that we'd

signed up to it that yeah yeah you know like a soul contract you know that was part of why I was here and I'd signed up to losing a beautiful teenager at 18 and if I'd signed up to that she'd signed up to that also so there was a knowing of that level except that became clearer to me in the years afterward and so yeah so I I just did not even when I went into dark moments because don't get me wrong I grieved I grieved I cried this was the worst possible thing imaginable and but you know I would do that quickly and then I felt like I was suddenly pulled out of it and I would go to like I had this clairvoyance guy who was also a medium and I know him very well I'd been to some of his shows and I had his books and I would just go to this one book Soul Journeys and i would just flick open a page and it was like it gave me enough information just to lift me back up and get me back on track and and you know within weeks of her dying i was

back at work and i was working training people training doctors and gp practices and I had to be on my game. And so for some, yeah, and it just seemed like I just seemed to be able to cope with all of that. Huh. Now, you had a death again with someone you were recently seeing, I think, who we talked about in the green room. Oh, my God, yeah. And then you had mentioned that you had cried a lot and processed that, and maybe some of that process was from your daughter? Yes.

Yeah. Okay. Tell us about that because I think that's important for people to understand. Yeah. Sometimes we package away grief and we experience it later because we don't reconcile things. So I'm curious about that. 100%. later because we don't we reconcile things so i'm curious about that 100 so because tal was a teen

and she had these beautiful friends and i think a lot of the time i was focused on supporting her friends making it okay for them because for you know probably many of them, this was their first experience with death. And it was death of the death of somebody their own age. And so I felt this real need to protect them, to help them, to be there for them. So I think I put a lot of my own grief, you know, yeah, like I said, like you said, I, you know, dampened it down dampened it down and and then I had been on my own for like 20 plus years you know just Tal and I and so I hadn't been in a relationship and so when I got into this relationship I'd done a lot of work to make sure that it was the type of relationship I really wanted in my life.

And, yeah, and so we just, it was easy. It was so easy. It was like once we got talking, it was a guy I met through work, and we kept it pretty quiet from work until we knew where it was heading. But we just had this instant connection. It was so easy. It was easy on all levels and I was just so happy that I'd finally met somebody I thought I was going to spend many many enjoyable times with but then early into it you know really you know it was just a month and a bit of knowing this guy who I felt like I'd known

forever. He went on a camping trip and unfortunately he was murdered on the first night by a 16 year old. And this beautiful, I know in this beautiful, tranquil place that nobody had ever thought anything like that would happen. And yeah, so then, and of course you know my workplace didn't know that he and I were you know seeing each other and so they told me oh like Helen we've

you know want to give you the sad news about a work colleague and I went, oh my God. Wow. But you see, like I knew something had happened on the day he died as well and because it was such a remote area, there was a very sketchy cell phone coverage so I wasn't expecting him to contact me until the Monday. It happened on the Saturday and then the Monday came and went. I went, ooh. And then on the Wednesday it all just made sense to me and yeah and then I cried I just I just cried I just cried I cried I cried for everything I cried because I thought life was cruel. Like how could I have gone through everything with my daughter,

everything in my life, you know, healing myself from chronic illnesses, getting my life on track, you know, living the life that I really wanted to be living, and then have this happen. And I just thought that was so frigging unfair. So I was feeling, you know, having a bit of a pity party. But I was also crying for the loss of Tal and for the loss of this beautiful guy that I'd met. You know, he was beautiful.

He used to just make everybody's lives richer. You know, he just had this way about them that you know he would cheer everybody up and yeah so yeah so yes that was a great release for me and then I realized that yeah I was crying for my girl as much as I was crying for Adrian. Do you feel like you you'd put off getting closure and you got closure at that moment? Or did you feel you were fine with both things? Yeah, I think I was fine with both because I'd done so much work, so much healing around Tal. I think she was very instrumental in guiding me from the point she died through the next stages of my life.

So she guided me to the energy healing, to the emotion code and the body code. And I actually even went over to the States and met the developer of the program. And because I just wanted to know that it was kosher, you know, this energy healing was a bit woo-woo. And, you know, and I really wanted to know thather you know this energy healing was a bit woo woo and you know and I really wanted to know that you know I was getting into something legit and truly was because I just did healings not only on myself but on loads of other people but the transformation for myself came when I taught myself to muscle test and then I used the emotion code to just release so many emotions I had trapped my entire lifetime. So it was those emotions of anger and

resentment and bitterness and jealousy and all those things I just didn't face in my lifetime up till that point. I was so intent on being this perfectionist and getting on with life and proving that I was worthy that I just never allowed myself to really sink down and feel all the things that I had experienced. And they were like so many just unimaginable things. And, yeah, so this was a great release. Yeah. And for the first time in my life, I felt what it was like to feel calm and at peace and in control and strong.

And so that was an amazing feeling. And I wanted to give that to others. Yeah. Wow. So let's get into it what is the emotion code and the body code that you use to help other people well it's this amazing healing modality and so like every every emotion has a frequency and um so we're able to identify them you know at that frequency within the body and I believe that people when we because we're able to identify them, you know, at that frequency within the body.

And I believe that people, because we're so conditioned that we should be this and we should be that, and then we add all those expectations that we should have the trap a lot of emotions if we don't allow ourselves to feel them and process them properly. So the emotion code is simply going through and using muscle testing, and everybody can muscle test. Everybody can teach themselves to muscle test. And basically what you're doing is you're asking yourself, you know, to release the emotions you have around, say, grief or work.

You know, maybe you're going through some tough times at work or whatever it is. And then it just guides you to the rows that those emotions exist in and then the columns. And one by one, you can just narrow it down and release those emotions within you. And you can often feel that physical release, like your yawn, or your just feel like, you know, an energetic release, or, you know, you just feel tired for the next day or two. And that's your body just releasing all this heaviness and this

lower level frequencies from your body and you can just do that over and over because often our emotions and our experience slay themselves in our bodies and cause dis-ease which if we leave them there too long create disease and so as we release them from our body, we can also release diseases. So for me, I mentioned earlier that I had severe Crohn's disease and I was in and out of hospital multiple times. It had got to the stage where the surgeon didn't even want to go near me because it was through so much of my small intestine. And I released all of the emotions that had trapped themselves in my digestive tract. So people have a go-to, you know, like some people it's their lungs, some people it's their heart.

For me, it was my solar plexus, all my digestive tract. That's where I trapped a lot of emotion. And so as I released these, I suddenly didn't have Crohn's disease anymore. And that had affected me on such a severe level for years and years and years. So with the body code, that's the next level. So that actually, that was the magic. That's where the magic happened because not only did it go into emotions, but it narrowed it down to all the body systems and the energetic systems, like your chakra systems and your meridians

and any organs and anything else like EMF that you may have been exposed to or toxins so you could just release release release yeah so anybody anybody has this ability to do that and I then worked on a lot of people and had some incredible amazing experiences that you can't justify other than something at a greater level than us and I'll give you a quick example. So early on after I become, as I was doing my body code certification, you have to work on a number of people to become certified and do a load of sessions on them. And so I had this young guy come to me and, you know, a friend had recommended him to me and she said, can you please help him? And so she came too, you know, so we were both happy with that. And I explained to him, you know, what I was going to do. And so she was sitting there and like, I could see her eyes and

her reactions as I was saying, you know, this happened to you at such and such an age and you were feeling these emotions and I feel it has to do with blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And, and, you know, I was releasing them. And then afterwards, she said to me, how on earth did you do that? You didn't even know this young guy. And you picked up that at 13 years old, something traumatic had happened to him, you know, in regards to the church and his parents, and that it affected his whole confidence going forward. And he was an amazing musician and and she said you just she said you were on point with every single thing how did you know that and i said i don't know that you know we have this intuition and i i've that's why i put in front of it that i'm very um intuitive because

all my life i've been like that. I just know. Probably know and are easy to identify with that because you've known other people with traumas. And it's kind of interesting how some people with traumas recognize other people or sometimes have attraction to other people with traumas. Yeah. I think of relationships. That's exactly.

You know what? You attract the person that you're meant to be with in relationships as to where you are because it's all about that attraction. And often we attract people that we need to learn from and grow from. And, you know, that's why relationships don't often work, you know, in those early stages until you get to a level where you know you know yourself and you've grown a lot and yeah that's true i think that's very true uh looking back on my past uh i can see you know my mother said to me one time she's how come you you you date all these messed up girls and it turns out i was pretty messed up inside myself and a lot of it was me and what i was attracting or what I was attracted to.

And I think, you know, we're attracted to people who are similar to us and maybe we're, it's some way to reconcile. We're trying to reconcile our trauma. I heard somebody say once, I don't know if it's true, but I heard a psychologist,

I think it was a psychologist though, but they said that when we grow up, we, we mirror our parents' relationship that they teach us, uh, you know, whatever the relationship is between the mother and the father. And, and then we try and replicate that in our future relationships and resolve the issues they had. We try to perfect what we saw and, you know, the failures that we saw in those relationships we try and and recreate them and then try and overcome them and but the problem is is many of the times the basics for why those relationships failed was because there were people that shouldn't have been

together in the first place you know and so you you end up it's like recreating a failed formula of chemistry. And you're just going to keep failing. So talk to us about what you do on your website. You do sessions and coaching, I believe, with people. Tell us what that work entails and how that goes into. I guess my whole grief process with Taha is really put me into a um into a service mentality all i want to do now is you know like help people i want to help people through their trauma and i guess having gone through so much myself it's like you say i can easily relate to people so they feel safe and they trust.

Because when you're dealing with energy healing, a lot of people think, oh, that is so woo-woo. And I heal people across the other side of the world. So I don't do this face-to-face very often. I do it mostly with clients across the other side of the world. And that in itself is like, how does that happen? But I have these people coming back to me again and again and again because they start off, they're in a crisis. Usually it's a crisis that brings somebody to me. And so what I do is just release the emotion and the energies

that are related to that crisis so they can think again, so that their system can function again. And we talk a lot about the vagus nerve and the sympathetic and parasympathetic systems, you know, fight or flight. And so what we want to do is get people back to where they can think again. And these sessions, you know, are very gentle. I only ever allow as much emotion to be released as what their body can handle. And I know that. I just intuitively know when to stop. And, you know, and it's very much guided by them as well, because they're feeding back to me,

whether we're on track and things like that, or if they need to know more information. And then, you know, I usually give it a week between sessions, and then they come back for more. So normally, I would say that we can do a pretty good job in, you know, four or five sessions, if somebody has a lot of trauma. And then I have some people that just want to get have better relationships with, you know, maybe a stepchild or something like that. So they come to me again and say, help me with this child, you know, like I'm not. So, you know, so we just clear, you know, what the barriers may be to that. And it works on everything and anything, basically.

And, yeah, but it's just what I love about it is that it's it's it's look there is a place for our medical system 100 but then we also have a lot of effects that are from multi-medications and you know for me when i was going through crohn's i actually went to natural healing after a while because I just felt like I was a guinea pig for medications they just try me on one thing that didn't work then I was put on another and on and on it went and I know so many people go through that and they lose hope and they think that this is the way they have to be forever well I just want to tell people it doesn't matter what you've got you don't have to have that forever you know there are modalities out there like the emotion code and body code that can really help

you with that and I think what it does and how it works is it that it is dealing with those generational traumas and all those self-belief systems that we may not be aligned to, but we have in our genes and our outing and, you know. So that's why I did a lot of work prior to this last relationship because I looked at, you know, what I wanted in somebody and then I looked at, well, actually, am I that person? Because if you're not that person, you have to do work around that. Yeah. You know, it's interesting to me how emotion in the body and depression, how we feel, equates to our health. We talked in the green room about one of my big bands that I love, Rush.

Years ago, I think it was 2005, Neil Peart, the drummer, his wife of 20 years or something like that, their daughter was going off to college, so probably about the same age as your daughter, and it was their only daughter, their only child. And she went off to college and rolled her car in a ravine on the freeway in the snow in Canada and passed away. And the wife took it so hard that she just went into a total state of depression, really darkness. And I just want to tell the story because it gives you two different ways of what you can approach a tremendously traumatic event like this.

And so he tried everything he could to get her out of her state, even moving her to Europe to try and brighten her mood. But within six months, because she was depressed and really didn't want to live, and she developed cancer and she was gone within, I think, nine months to a year. Like it was, she, she developed this aggressive cancer that basically killed her. And he kind of accepted the fact that she just missed her daughter so much she didn't you know it was just too much and uh so deal how you deal with emotions and you know what you're talking about your emotion code etc etc can make a difference in life or death and as you've talked about maybe crohn's disease and some of the other things that are happening, it can make all the difference in the world. And it can, you know, people don't realize how much it translates

into sickness, death, and everything else. So, yeah, it's wild. I think there's another big thing that plays into all of this because like I mentioned earlier, you know, I've been through so much in my life. And I think it comes down to resilience. And, you know, the difference perhaps between her and I and our experiences is that my whole life had been tough and I had to keep picking myself up, dusting myself off and carrying on. And so I'm very resilient and if you you know look at people like Hugh van Kylenburg and his book the resilience project and people like Edie Iger who went through

the holocaust or we've got a New Zealander Lucy Hone who's, did a TED Talk on resilience and the top three things, and that's had over 5 million views. Oh, wow. Because it talks about, you know, the qualities of that resilient people have. And I think that plays a huge factor into how we cope with adversity and you know I think the three things are that you know she talks to it's just this this understanding that shit happens in life you know whether you're a good person bad person or whatever type of person it's part of life we don't get to choose and it's going to happen to us regardless and I think the second thing she mentioned is that it's where you put your attention, you know, that's what you focus on. And I mentioned that, you know, I got

pulled out and I was focusing on positive things and gratitude. Like I was incredibly grateful for the 18 years that I did have my daughter and for everything that she taught me during those years and the great time she gave me and she had the most magical smile and I would just look at photos of her and see that smile and hear her just talking to me and I just was so grateful for that gratitude is a biggie just telling yourself every single day things you're grateful for and the third thing that Lucy talked about was you know is what I'm doing helping me or harming me and if you ask yourself that question you know yeah you know it all comes from within it's not external it's like you have the control within yeah there you go uh you know and maybe you've really hit it

on the nose there there's two types of you know one of the things you talk about is how people handle their grief and pivoting with it. And in one case, someone saw it as a loss that couldn't be replaced. Someone saw it as something that was completely over, where you saw it as a continuum maybe with your gratitude and appreciating the time that you had and the value that you had. I went through that when my dog went through about a year and a half of hospice care for cancer and then passed away, the grief was really overwhelming. And I went through the stages of grief and closure.

But now when I look back on a lot of it, and I think at the time maybe I had this because we were in a state with hospice care where every day was you just trying to get through every day and every day was a brick of gold and you just okay we got we just need to get through today let's see if we can get through today and then it was the next day and so there may have been some gratitude that I was just thankful that I was getting the time that i had uh with her but now when i look back i can i can look back on it and just be grateful and i realize that you know how life works in the universe works is is not fair that's just that's the way it is uh it's a survival game really when it comes down to it. And there are people that are going to come in and out of your life. And life is a series of lows and goodbyes.

Sometimes it's going to be you, but then you'll never really have to deal with it. But the survivors will. But for the most part, dogs live on an average of, what, 10, 12, 16 years, if you're lucky. And that's part of the gig. I used to have people tell me, why would you get a new dog after your dog passed away? And you kind of learn to appreciate this and celebrate life and the value of it. But you also realize that this is part of the gig. You're buying a 10 to 16 year gig and you're going to celebrate life during that time.

But that's the beauty of the renewal of life. That's why we love life so much is it renews. If everyone died off and slowly died off and that was it, it would be pretty depressing. But life springs anew, and that's kind of the beauty and the hope i think you have to find the hope and the gratitude maybe yes hope you've got to have hope if you don't have hope you don't see any light you don't see any future and it may only just be a glimmer of hope but you know animals are incredibly healing you You know, they are just magical. They just give you this unconditional love and just can change your life in ways that, you know,

other humans can't because, you know, they're not actually judging us. And we find that in life we get judged a lot. So there's that to it. And then the other thing is, you know, what is the purpose of us being here? What is that? And so I think, you know, when you go through adversity, you know, I see that all as opportunities to grow from. Now, I didn't know this early in my life, and I used to struggle,

and I used to think, why, why, why, why, why is life doing this to me? I try to be a good person and do all the right things and I just keep getting hammered. And then when I understood, actually, you know, what have you got to learn from this experience? Yeah, it sucks, but you know, what's the learning from this? And then you find that suddenly you're moving into a space where you're not going through crisis after crisis. Yeah. And so I just kind of think that, you know, sometimes it's about looking at it from a different lens, a different viewpoint. Yeah. Perspective is everything.

So how can people book a session with you how can they reach out to you see if working with you is a good fit etc etc definitely so anybody is most welcome just to message me on the beautiful side of grief at gmail.com or they can um find out a little bit more through my website, which is thebeautifulsideofgrief.com, H-T-T-P-S colon forward slash forward slash thebeautifulsideofgrief.com. And then you'll see my podcast.

But then if you just scroll along, you'll also see a tab for Healing to Be You. And that's where it gives the information on the emotion code and the body code. You can have a read and see if it works for you. And, you know, I offer these sessions at, you'll see, at ridiculous rates because I feel it's part of my destiny just to be helping people, you know, out of really, really tough times.

And I work on the belief that people when they need to find me will find me so yeah definitely go and check that out and um yeah just any just anything any way you can contact me just do it and i'm really happy just to connect with you have a chat you can see what i'm like see if i'm a fit for you and we can go from there there you go uh so uh you also have a podcast that you discuss these things with and have guests on give us a plug in for that so again that's the beautiful side of grief.com that's my podcast and the reason that developed was because I wanted to show people that there doesn't matter what you go through any form of grief you know I interview people who have been through unimaginable

things and who have come out the other side and they use all different tools and ways to do that but I want you to know that yeah there is a beautiful side to your grief and if you're willing to find that you can do so and so i'm up to episode i just release in fact this week so we're Tuesday and Thursday i just released my 100th episode congratulations that's awesome thank you awesome. That is really spectacular because most podcasts do not make it past episode 20 or so.

Yeah, I've heard that. The figures are staggering. So I mean just getting to 100, congratulations. I mean that's I'm so happy when I hear podcasters doing well that stick into it because it can be hard. You know,

it is hard. You know, I do everything. I don't have anybody who helps me out. So, you know, and then I was, you're working full time as well.

So trying to fit that in, you know, so, but you know, it's, it's now I've moved and I'm focusing more back on the beautiful side of grief. And I'm also going to, you know, set up a subscription portal where people can access more information. And I've got a book in the pipeline as well.

So this is, you know, exciting few months ahead of me where I'm really working on a lot of stuff. There you go. Well, Helen, it's been wonderful and insightful. And thank you for sharing your story on the show. Give us your dot com so people can find you on the interwebs. Okay. It's https://thebeautifulsideofgrief.com. Thebeautifulsideofgrief.com.

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