The Chris Voss Show - The Chris Voss Show Podcast – I Will Get By by Fred Cadden

Episode Date: May 25, 2025

I Will Get By by Fred Cadden Amazon.com In ‘I Will Get By,’ Fred Cadden invites readers on a heartfelt journey through his life, reflecting on the resilience that defines the human spirit. Growing up in the close-knit community of Poughkeepsie, New York, Fred paints a vivid portrait of his childhood, filled with warmth, love, and unforgettable family traditions. From the magic of Christmas celebrations at his grandparents' house to the strong moral compass instilled by his parents, Fred's early years set the stage for the challenges that lay ahead. After enlisting in the Air Force and serving in Vietnam, he navigates the complexities of military life, drawing strength from his experiences while grappling with the impacts of war. Through candid storytelling, Fred shares his struggles and triumphs, highlighting the bonds formed with family and friends along the way. I Will Get By is more than a memoir; it’s an inspiring testament to the power of perseverance. With each page, Fred reminds us that our past shapes us, and no matter the obstacles we face, we can emerge stronger and more resilient than ever.

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advertising on the podcast, but it is not an endorsement or review of any kind. Anyway, we have an amazing young man on the show. We're going to be talking about his journey through life, his lessons of life, his stories, things that are the fabric of his life that he's going to share with you and improve the quality of your life, make you feel good. And, uh, I hope he's here for that. He might be here to make you feel bad. I don't know.

We'll find out, but, uh, I'm trying to set him up for, uh, so high. He's going to have to work hard to climb that mountain, uh, for our audience. But he is the author of the book that came out October 29th, 2024, called I will get by Fred Cadden is on the show with us today. And we're going to be talking to him about his insights, his experience, et cetera, et cetera. Uh, he grew up in the town of, uh, well, uh, Keebee, New York, Pooke, Keebee, New York. You know, I knew what that was, but I just cannot put it together on the quick read.

Boarding on the town of Hyde Park, New York, home of FDR, Fred attended Franklin. Dillanur Roosevelt High School, graduated in 1969. He attended Dutchess Community College during the Air Force in 71, served in NOM in 71 and 72, served in England, uh, 72 to 75 trained as a medic and medical administrator. After the Air Force, Fred moved to Houston, Texas, where a summer job was waiting for him. Fred attended the University of Houston from 75 to 77. He worked at, uh, uh, Joscies, just just, yes.

Now Dillard's just say Dillard's everyone knows and killers, uh, starting the credit department work his way up to assistant collection manager. From there, he worked at several independent oil and gas exploration companies where he established the credit function for the collection of joint interest billings. It's his fault, folks. Fred graduated from the University of Houston, downtown, 1986, with a BBA concentration in accounting. He's now retired and living in Florida because that's what retired people do. Welcome to the show, Fred. How are you? I'm good. I'm good. Thanks for having me. Yeah. Thanks for coming.

It's wonderful to have you as well. Give us your dot coms. How can people find you on the interwebs? It's a Frederick, F-R-E-D-E-R-I-C-K-L-Cadden, C-A-D-D-E-N, dot com. There you go. Books.com, I'm sorry. Gotta get the books in there.

There'll be a link on the Chris Voss show too, if you need it. So give us a 30,000 over you. What's inside your new book? Well, I started writing it a few years ago and I never really Got off finishing it and I did it basically for my kids You know as a memoir and a legacy to leave for them as a memoir and a legacy to leave for them, the story of my life. And so, because I grew up, kids were seen and not heard. And I just wanted my kids to know about me.

And, you know, cause I had to wonder about my parents cause I'm always asked medical questions, what's the medical history of your family? And that was always quiet. So, uh, yeah. So I wanted to, uh, no, it's just an old fashioned nuance, I guess. So, yeah. So I started it a few years ago. I got through Vietnam and

Like Well, it was it was an experience so I Was I was basically For all you mash fans out there. I was a cross between Radar and clinger except I didn't wear a dress I was just gonna pull that joke so thank you so you can see you in a dress wait maybe not but anyway the only clinger joke I can come up with yeah reference I grew up watching mash what a great show but how long were you in Vietnam?

I was in Vietnam for a year. Yeah. And I said that in the bio actually. Yeah. And, uh, I, uh, man, the hospital command post in the evenings. Okay. So, you know, it's, uh, most people like Alan and yeah, the mash. And I was responsible for, you know, if anything happens, we were attacked or if a plane came in on a wing and a prayer, then I would notify everybody and send the ambulances out to the flight line, whatever, and do that. So I was responsible that I also worked a medevac and I was responsible for moving patients through the

aeromedical evacuation and recording all the deaths and patient situations. So it was an experience. Well, one day I got off work and I was it was seven in the morning and I went back to my hooch and I was back there and I saw all these security police standing around and I'm going, what the heck's going on? Did they find my stash? So but anyway, they turned out there was next door neighbor, a guy that lived next

door. He had a sick little girl girlfriend that was a VC major. She had they caught her with a transmitter and receiver. Oh, she was there to plot out us medics. So that race Yeah, that was one experience. And then, um, about a month after I was there in Vietnam, um, a sapper, uh, snuck on base and blew up our ammo dump. And so there, uh, you know, there were clusters of five, 500 pound bombs going off all night

long. And so when it started, I was, you know, having a break outside the emergency room with my buddy. We're having a cigarette break. And then we were talking to this Army Master Sergeant who just came in from the bush. And, you know, we're just sitting there talking and all of a sudden we see this flash, brilliant flash like you know the sky lit up like the sun and then a loud boom and you know I looked at my buddy and I we looked around the master sergeant was gone we couldn't see him so he was there was a three foot high brick fence around the hospital and he jumped behind there so you know as soon as we saw him there we we got

our asses down there yeah anyway it's pretty long yeah there was uh in the mix of the bombs there was you know napalm and agent going off so we were you know breathing that stuff for weeks anyway Going off so we were you know breathing that stuff for weeks. Anyway, he's Wow and you're still alive today So that's good cuz that's I'm still alive Yeah, I did a still Vietnam to most people don't believe because I look so young and Yeah, I I killed about 20 Charlie's And yeah, and then I got on a plane this week and came back. It was just a vacation There you go, but I it's good it's good to play on people because I'll be like I was in on me They're like what I'll tell him I have a plate in my head. Yeah

And and then you know, I do the bit about how I was this other last week Anyway, go ahead. Finish a finish your story of life. So anyway, uh, I taught, uh, uh, I was asked to, uh, cover a class. I was teaching English to Vietnamese civilians on who worked on base. And so that was interesting. I got to know the people and you know, it was a good relief from the day to day grind. So anyway, did that and then moved on to after NAMM, I went to England. I was at RAF Alconbury and that was fun. England was a big difference from Vietnam.

So moved on there and I was a non-commission officer in charge of the registrar services in the clinic there. And so it was a reconnaissance base and during the Cold War and we did recon missions and we had an army detachment to interpret the photographs that you know our guys took. So it was an interesting part of you know the Cold War and NATO and all that good stuff. So anyway where was I? Cold War in Europe? Yeah in England. England. Interesting, interesting story. I had a doctor friend of mine that did a operation on my, I had a cyst on my arm so he took that off so I asked him if he could do my circumcision as well? How old were you

How old are you Yeah, I was what was how I was about 21 22 the adults Yeah riot yeah, and you know one of the one of the gals there was saying oh, that's not code for getting married Right Fred's having a bar mitzvah Coach for getting married Anyway, I get that in the masculine mix. Yeah He did the circumcision and here's he's a good friend of mine years late well

after that happened, my friend, I was groggy from the anesthesia, and a friend of mine took me over to another friend's house, and we were sitting there for about 20 minutes, and all of a sudden my friend turns on these blue movies, porn, right? I just had a circumcision, and I'm going, heck, I'm gonna bust my stick. Nice friends. and Uh, I had, uh, friends of mine that were, uh, um, I lived with and, you know, he had

an MG midget and three of us took off in an MG midget and toured Europe. Oh, that'd be fun. It was, it was, wait, three of you in a MG, MG midget. Yeah. Is that, yeah, I was, I was stuffed in the back. So they put you in the truck. Yeah. I was on it or whatever. So they put you in the trunk.

Yeah. I was with a bonnet or whatever. I was a lot lighter than back then. Is the bond at the front of the back in England? Oh, the bond. Yeah. There's the front and the back and they call the front something different. I think it's the front.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So you were in the bonnet. You were in the trunk baby. Yeah. So there you go. I don't know. I don't know. Ever since we overthrew those English people, I don't, I don't have much respect for whatever English terms, but they're wonderful people. Yeah, the King's. It was a lot of fun. I had a lot of friends in Kings College, Cambridge that we were introduced to and they remained friends. When I left England, they had a going away party for me in the basement of Kings College.

A friend had a band and a guy I worked with was blowing saxophone and it was a fun time. So I left, left England, came, went to Houston. And there was a summer job waiting for me in Houston. And so a friend of mine that I grew up with his father was building slabs and Houston was a boom town back then I was really growing and this was in 1975 and worked the summer there and then started the U of H that next semester. Well, you know, as things go, you know, the VA benefits kind of fizzled out. So I had to get a job and go to work. So I met a friend in one of my classes that worked at Joscies and he said they had an

opening so I tried out and got it and worked part-time there. And then did that for a while. And then I went to Herman Hospital, which was the oldest hospital in the area there in Houston, and they became medical record supervisor. So there I managed eight employees and we managed to convert 35,000 medical records from alpha filing to terminal digit. So I did that in about two months and got bored with that.

So my friend called me back from Josky said, hey, there's another position open for you over here. And so I went back there and worked my way up from, night credit guy to authorizations manager, and then to assistant collection manager. I was one of the first guys they put through the executive training program that didn't have a degree at that time. So that was an achievement.

And there, one of my employees that had given notice, uh, I asked her out. Of course I didn't date an employee while there's work there, but anyway, asked her out and, uh, we started dating and, um, she became my wife and then we had a son, um, so. Yeah. That's usually what happens. It starts with the dating and then the kids show up. That's yeah, there's a connection there, but they figured out what's going on there.

You probably heard about it. So, so, uh, you know, in all this, um, we, uh, decided to move out into the country because, you know, my new wife, her dream was having a horse. So we got her a horse and we stabled the horse and that become, became too expensive. So we moved out into the country and got a four bedroom farmhouse. Um, and so did that. Yeah, I was, there you go. It's quite the, quite the journey you have there. And so you detail this and basically

the book is a memoir. I will get by. Correct. And it's all, it's all in the book. And basically, after after Jostkes, I went into my friend introduced me to a treasurer who was looking for a collection guy. So I went into interview and you know, we hit it off the bat right away. So I went to work collecting joint interest billings and you know joint interest billings is when you go when a company an exploration company goes out and wants to drill a well they get joint venture partners and each partner has a percentage in that well in that well I'm sorry that well. In that well, I'm sorry, that well. Anyway, if they have a 10% interest and we start drilling, then they owe 10% of the operating costs

and the drilling and operating costs. So once that well produces, they get 10% of the revenue that comes out of the well. So that's how that works. So what I did, I collected both joint interest billings and I collected revenue from the transportation companies that transported the product. So it was interesting. Yeah. And it was, you know, I was collecting million dollar receivables, millions of dollars.

And so eventually at that company, I collected myself out of a job. So I started interviewing, they, I, they were having problems. So I started interviewing for my second company. And so they, they hired me on and I was their credit and collection supervisor and did the same thing So You know, it's in the year you're a negotiator really what you're doing when you're doing the collections and and You're really a negotiator and. And once you get that big check in, well, you wanna celebrate.

I had a bell I would ring and I would go around the floor doing a victory lap. So it was a good experience. But anyway, it got to the point where I, uh, I picked up, uh, a $5 million check from one of our trans, uh, protection people. And, uh, I came back and the guys said, well, uh, to the CFO and the CFO says, well, you know, Fred, I have to let you go. Um, because they were downsizing and they were going out of business. So you get the $5 million check. Um, yeah, I tried to, no, he would, he fired.

It's mine now. He ripped it out of my hands. Said, Oh, gotta let you go. Said good collection work though. Good. Wow. Gee, thank you. Five million dollars.

Wow. Anyway, yeah, it seems like you'd want to keep a guy like you around. I've, I've had hundreds of thousands of dollars owed to us in collections and we've had to go to small claims over the decades that deal with it. And, uh, you know, and it's, it's such an annoyance, but, um, it's, uh, you know, uh, good collectors, like really important. And, and last time I checked, you're always going to have collections to collect on You know some people that don't pay their bills

So, I don't know that seems like very short-sighted as a business. Yeah, maybe a lesson there so the next company I worked for I Started the credit function there and You know it's a lesson too because when you work for somebody, some people have the idea that you make your manager look good. Well, that's good to a certain extent, but if your manager takes all the credit for what you do then you have to work around that so, you know, that's a another life lesson in itself but anyway, I did that and I Basically

Created the credit function and I started the credit marketing function as well where we got, I negotiated contracts for gas sales agreements and, you know, gas sales contracts. So, that was fun. And I worked with land legal and all of that. And you, you pretty much have to, you know, work things the way you call it because you're there, you're on the floor, you know, you know what's going on. And usually, you know, the people above you

don't have a clear picture. They have, you know, like a box, everything has to fit in. And a lot of times things don't fit in the box. So you have to work around that. And that's basically the lesson that I learned. And, well, all my kids, all my kids are grown, well, my kids are grown. They're all responsible and, uh, that's unfortunate. They have good jobs. Cheap kids like me. No, they're all good. They're all good. Um, I had, I had five, five kids. He must've done something right though.

Yeah, I guess so. Yeah. It's a pat have done something right though. Yeah, I guess so It's a pat on the back right there. Yeah Two were my own and I had three stepkids. So oh, yeah That was that was good. So the lesson the lesson I give and I you know, like everybody to take away from this book is And I, you know, like everybody to take away from this book is sometimes you got to take the bull by the tail and face the situation. The bull by the tail and face the situation. Give us a, some depth on that.

If you would WC fields. Ah, wait, you have an alcohol problem. No there comes a time in the affairs of men. We must take the bull by the tail and face the situation. There you go. Well, that's the dragon. Yeah. Like it's just sometimes in life, you have to, uh, face adversity and, and hardship and, you know, people will dump on you, you know, like the bull. And so, you know, you have to, you have to, uh, rise above that and keep on pushing.

And once you keep pushing, you have to you have to rise above that, and keep on pushing. And once you keep on pushing, it's, you know, it'll work out. It's just like, I was in my manager's office one day, we were reading the Wall Street Journal. And we were saw how Enron was having difficulties. We could see that, you know, you could see that online. You could see that in the journal and the papers and just negative things were happening.

So I got with our oil marketing guys because we were selling oil to Enron. And we said, well, how much are we doing and you know what can we do to stop it if we need to so we were selling about three hundred thousand dollars a month in oil and if we needed to we could stop it you know and tank it so I went up back to my manager and I said, you know, well, you know, listen, we got to do something about this So he says, okay Put it in a memo so I did I put it in a memo and he shot it all the way up and went all the way up to the CEO and

So we stopped that the next next day we got a call from So we stopped that the next next day. We got a call from You know the head legal counsel at Enron saying threatening to sue us over the breach of contract because we stopped the sales So three days later three days later the file three days later the file of bankruptcy I was just gonna say like you guys were the unethical ones next to right I was just going to say like you guys were the unethical ones next to me. Right. Right. So that was a shit show, man. It was a complete nutter shit show, but crazy.

Yeah. We dodged a bullet there. So, oh yeah. All the, all the shell companies. I mean, that whole company was shell companies, I think. I recall it anyway. The kids right now are going Right

there you go So the moral of this book and the story is keep on pushing don't give up your if you're right, you know, you're right and uh, even if people try to Say no. No, that's not right. That's not right. Just keep on going because you'll get there eventually and things will work out. So there you go. I will get by. Give us some depth on why you chose that title. The obstacles I encountered, Vietnam, I encountered, uh, Vietnam, um, England.

Um, you saw some, I mean, you lived in some very interesting times. The old Chinese curse made a little bit of interesting times and you lived in some, you know, the cold war. Vietnam was a hard time. Of course, when people came back from Vietnam, there was, uh, you know, he had Nixon, that was fun. Right. Yeah. Victory. Yeah. That's my bad. Nixon. We had, or we had, it wasn't Ehrlichman. We had somebody on from the Nixon White House

a year or two ago. He was one of the staff and he'd finally written a book and told his story. So it was kind of interesting, but yeah, he was my commander in chief. Nixon or Ehrlichman? Nixon. Yeah, I guess, yeah, that's right. Yeah, technically. Yeah, that would be the thing. It was kind of interesting how they won, run that war with the college degree boys who were trying to, you know, they were trying to get reporting in numbers back.

Like at one point they wanted body, like a head or proof, proof of kills brought back. And you're like, you want me to drag that through the jungle, buddy? It's really weird to read about Vietnam stuff, but I was there last week and, uh, there's still Charlie's over there. So I don't know. I keep getting calls though, from the consulate. So I don't know what that's about. So, uh, I will get by.

So your message to people is you can get through this. You can survive. You can, you can, um, just keep, just keep plowing on, you know, there's an old rule that I've heard people say that, I don't know if this is similar. You tell me, but sometimes half the battle is just showing up. Right. Yeah. is just showing up. Right. Yeah. Yeah. That's showing up, doing the work.

You know, I like the analogy, eat the elephant one by the time. Sometimes when I feel really overwhelmed by something, I just go just eat the elephant one by the time let's just start on the outside and work our way in the plate exactly. And, uh, you know, one bite, chew, chew Exactly. And, uh, you know, one bite, chew, chew a lot and, uh, you know, take, you know, take whatever, if you get, takes time, it takes time. It's just the way it's going to have to be. But the only way you get started is to start, right? Right. Right. So inspiring Testament to the power of perseverance.

inspiring testament to the power of perseverance. I'm having a seizure. I have an early, uh, inspiring testament to the power of perseverance. Uh, within each page, Fred reminds us of their, how our past shapes us. And no matter the obstacles we face, we can emerge stronger and more resilient than ever. And what a great story too. How old are you now? If you don't mind me asking.

I'm 74. You've lived a wonderful life, man. You've seen, you've seen some things. Yeah. I've got a 24 year old girlfriend. Oh, yeah. Do you really? Oh, just kidding. I was gonna say, God bless you.

In fact, I was just reading that Bill Belichick, maybe there's a rumor he might be marrying that young lady. Yeah. I heard they got engaged somehow. Is that what it is? they got engaged somehow. Yeah. Is that what it is? They got engaged. Well, good for her. Um, and good for him too. I'm all, you know, love, love finds itself in weird places.

So, uh, there you go. And besides, I mean, he is the goat of football coaches. I mean, yeah. And even Tom Brady can do where the fuck they want for us. Her life. Really? Exactly. Free beers. So there you go. They, they even Tom Brady could do where the fuck they want for us their lives really exactly beers

So there you go. They get a pass although I'm still trying to forgive Tom Brady for For the Raiders stealing the Raiders Super Bowl, but that the whole What was that thing the clutch or the pitcher the forward motion of the arm? I forget. Oh, yeah Yeah, yeah, that was a bunch of that was the Raiders game should have been anyway Going downhill ever since but that's a coaching problem It's the family get rid of them. Anyway, um so my next book my next book is gonna be about I

think The CIA approaches me as a 74 year old. Oh, serious? Yeah, and they're going to team me up with a 24 year old blonde. Oh, okay. And so, you know, we're gonna go. It sounds like a movie.

It sounds like a movie premise. And you're like Clint Eastwood, and you're looking at the gal, I forget the name of this movie, but there was the one gal from, she later went on the series with the two gals that were detectives, Cagney and Lacey, I think it was. Yeah, Cagney and Lacey.

It was the brunette gal. And I forget the movie of, but you know, he's like, he's like, what am I, you want me to put an old man with this young lady and she's, you know, green behind the ears, fresh out of, you know, police school. I'm going to get my ass blown off. So there you go. But I mean, that's usually what happens when old guys get with young women. Uh, they get their ass blown off financially.

Maybe it'll be a fun book. So this, so is this a real story that's happening to you or is this going to be a novel? Oh, it's going to be a novel. Okay. You had me going. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. It's going to be from this point onward, you know My first book is from like that and this is your wife know you're writing this story Well, no, i'm divorced i'm single. Oh, you can write whatever the hell you want. That's right I was just gonna say if you were married your wife would be like you write a book about a 25 year old girl Uh, how much of that uh bill, bill bell check stuff you've been watching. Yeah, there you go. I mean, that might be a good thing.

Sean con I could see you doing a Sean Connery sort of role, you know, uh, CIA, which is kind of like the, what is it? Am I six? Am I five or six? Or might be IMS seven by now. Who knows? Um, so they go, well, anything more you want to, huh?

It's all in fun. All in fun, all in fun. Don't arrest me in my six. Uh, so there you go. But I wouldn't mind hanging out with James bond. That might be cool. So whichever one they're putting in this week, uh, they bought this, I guess Amazon bought

the series or Netflix bought the series and there's rumors that they just might turn into something really crazy, stupid. Like they do with star Wars where there's going to be like a million versions of James Bond, which is just gonna, it's gonna ruin it, but it won't, it won't. Um, the, there's something about a man's hero's journey that is everything What else on the book do we is there anything else we need to talk out or tease out to people to take and get them daughter Well, it's It's a good

Background of Inspiration I think, you know, inspiration and perseverance and just, if you want to quit, if you feel like you want to quit, read this book and it'll get you going. Because it'll, you know, my experiences I outline in the book are, are fun. Some are sad. Some are really sad. And, you know, some are a lot, England is a lot more fun. So, Pete Slauson There you go. Yeah, it looks, I'm looking through the pictures on your website. They're pretty amazing. And then people can sign up for your newsletter to become acquainted for your future books.

Pete Slauson Yes. And then I'm going to start that newsletter, hopefully, next week. So, we'll get that going. Pete Slauson There you go. There you go. Well, it's been fun to have you on the show and sharing us with the treasure of keep showing up people and be perseverant because, uh, you know, you, you just got to, it's got to make it happen. I mean, sometimes that's the way you just, you just keep on trucking. You'll get, that's right. Yeah.

There you go. Which, uh, I will get by is kind of the attitude I have when I'm driving in Utah, because everyone drives slow in the fast lane, like the passing lane because, well, I mean, those Salado's Pioneer Polygamists were inbred. So there you go. 200 years of inbreeding in Utah. Can't figure out the speed. So that's usually my thing. I will get by, but I'm usually screaming at the top of my lungs in my car. No, I don't do rage, road rage people. It's not. But it's been wonderful to have you give us your.com as we go out and find all thoughts. Okay.

Um, it's a Frederick L cadden books.com. There you go. Well, thank you very much, Fred. Have a wonderful life and we're excited to see what you have to offer for your next book and, uh, you know, is there going to be a romantic interest in this book or is it? Oh, absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. Who hurt you? There's many, many, there's many romantic interests in the, I will get by as well. So I didn't, there you go. You see the divorce at least once, I guess. At least once. Yeah.

At least once. Well, you know, there you go. Now you can write a book and then mail it to them. I don't know. Revenge book or something. Anyway, man, thank you for coming on the show, Fred. We really appreciate it. Thanks a lot, Chris.

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