The Chris Voss Show - The Chris Voss Show Podcast – Inside Shameless Care: Revolutionizing Sexual Health Testing

Episode Date: May 30, 2025

Inside Shameless Care: Revolutionizing Sexual Health Testing shamelesscare.com About the Guest(s): Robert Johnson is the founder of Shameless Care, a pioneering telemedicine company that specializes in delivering sexual healthcare tailored for real-life needs. After a personal experience with an STI test failing to detect an infection, Robert launched Shameless Care to offer comprehensive and judgment-free telemedicine services. His company focuses on thorough STI testing, inclusive of all potential infection sites, and has been leading efforts in providing honest and accessible sexual health resources. Robert's background is steeped in entrepreneurship and he is dedicated to improving healthcare by addressing gaps in traditional testing methods. Episode Summary: In this episode of The Chris Voss Show, listeners embark on an informative journey into the world of telemedicine and sexual health with Robert Johnson, founder of Shameless Care. Highlighted by enlightening anecdotes and expert insights, the conversation navigates through the complexities of STI testing, the rise of telemedicine, and how these innovations are transforming the landscape of sexual healthcare. This episode shines a light on the crucial importance of thorough STI testing, addressing often-overlooked aspects such as oral and anal infection sites that remain asymptomatic and consequently contribute to the spread of infections. Throughout the discussion, Robert Johnson emphasizes Shameless Care's commitment to enhancing sexual health through patient transparency and comprehensive service offerings. With the increasing prevalence of STIs, Robert argues for greater awareness and proactive measures, dispelling myths and shedding light on underrepresented issues within sexual healthcare. This conversation also touches upon societal and technological shifts influencing sexual behavior and healthcare, including how telemedicine is paving new pathways for privacy and honesty in patient-doctor interactions. Through engaging dialogue, the episode underscores the transformative impact and potential of telemedicine in creating a world where sexual health is accessible and stigma-free. Key Takeaways: Comprehensive STI Testing: Shameless Care stands out for its rigorous testing of 14 STIs, including often-neglected sites like the throat and anal areas, which can harbor infections asymptomatically. Privacy and Transparency in Telemedicine: The telemedicine model permits patients to discuss their health issues openly and without judgment, ensuring more accurate diagnoses and appropriate treatments. Prevalence of Asymptomatic Cases: Many STIs present without symptoms; thus, regular and thorough testing is essential for prevention and control. Innovations in Sexual Healthcare: Products like topical Viagra for women and Doxy PEP pills exemplify emerging solutions targeted at enhancing sexual health and prevention. Healthcare Accessibility and Education: Shameless Care's approach is educational and preventative, encouraging personal responsibility and safe sexual practices among users. Notable Quotes: "80% of our positive gonorrhea cases are oral only, caught only with that oral swab." "You can be completely honest with your doctor, and everybody should be honest with their doctor." "It's surprising how many times a married couple will order tests at the same time, get their test results back and not test positive for the same thing." "We're just really proud that we can offer a list of infections to help people get quality testing from their physicians." "Testing thoroughly is one of the most important actions people in the dating pool can take."

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entrepreneurism and all that good stuff. Robert Johnson of Shameless Care, he is is a founder joins us on the show. We're going to be talking about his company, a telemedicine company, delivering sexual healthcare. That's actually built for the way people have sex after a personal experience with the so-called comprehensive STI tests, missed an oral gonorrhea infection. When he unknowingly passed to a partner,

Robert realized how dangerously misleading most testing is. Wow, that makes me scared. That moment led him to launch Shameless Care, a platform built to offer honest, judgment-free sexual healthcare. Welcome to the show, Robert. How are you? I'm doing wonderful. Thank you so much for having me. Thank you for coming. We really appreciate it.

Give us your.com so people can find you guys on the interwebs. Shamelesscare.com. And I love telemedicine. You know, it's funny, I think 20 or 10, 15 years ago before telemedicine became a thing, I had this horrible experience online and with our huge audience that we had on Twitter at the time, I think about 400,000 people. I was the interviewer, I got interviewed in Forbes and I was like, why the hell are we

sitting in, you know, what the hell is 20, I don't know what it was 2010 back then or something 2013. Like, why the hell are we spending two hours in a waiting room? What's this makes no sense. Why can't we just like use apps and telemedicine and, and then here we are. 10 years later, I called it. Thanks for starting a telemedicine company and proving me I was right. So give us a 30,000 overview.

What you guys do there. So shamelesscare.com. We have a team of physicians and we do a lot of different medications for sexual health. The heart and soul of the company, however, is our STI testing. And what we do there is a 14, we test for 14 different sexually transmitted infections. And most importantly, 14 and most importantly, is that our gonorrhea and chlamydia tests include a throat swab and an anal swab, because a lot of people don't realize this, Chris,

that gonorrhea and chlamydia are site-specific bacterial infections. So you can have it in your genitals, absolutely, but you can also have it in your mouth and throat if you have oral sex, and it's almost always asymptomatic there. And so I am convinced that that is leading to a lot of spread,

because people go to their physician or they order a test online. It says it's gonna test for gonorrhea and chlamydia and it does, but genitally only. And then lo and behold, if they're like me, they're gonna have a completely asymptomatic case of a role gonorrhea that they're gonna pass along to somebody else.

And I knew that was a problem because it happened to me, Chris, that we've now been in business for three years. We've tested thousands of people. As of today, 80% of our positive gonorrhea cases are oral only, caught only with that oral swab. Their genitals tested negative. So that's what we do at Shameless Care is we test people really thoroughly because we feel like there's probably a lot of people walking out of doctor's offices all across the country thinking they're STI free when they're just not.

Wow. I got gonorrhea one time in my ear. I cleared it up though, I'm fine now. But that's a joke people. I never have gotten a sexual disease. Which is really amusing. You don't have an ear swab yet. Yeah. You know, maybe you just need a blanket, like a giant fabric of tests, whatever. I'm clearly not a scientist on this. And you just roll people in it. And then that way, if it's on their elbow or, or, you know, maybe an eye socket or something, you just dip them in, just dip them in the test juice of whatever. Is that what they call the medicine? The test juice? Anyway, I'm just making up fun on the show.

So 14, we're talking in the, in the green room that it, it, it appears from, I guess, CDC results, maybe we'll never see those again, I don't know, but it's 20, 25 people, if you're following along on YouTube 10 years from now, but it appears that sexual STIs are exploding nationwide here in Utah. They had an 800% increase last year, which is pretty, that's a lot. That's a lot. That's all I'm saying. So is that, is that true? Is there, is this becoming kind of a bigger thing with sexual diseases? It is becoming a bigger thing. And I think it's something that's more on top of people's mind. One of the things that people to realize is that there's a lot of statistics out

there that are impossible to believe, but STIs actually, a lot of them are mandatorily reported to the local county health departments and places like that. Certified lab, any qualified medical professional who finds out, you know, through a test result, but somebody has gonorrhea, chlamydia, syphilis, stuff like that. It has to be reported. And so those statistics that you see in news articles, generally speaking are a hundred percent accurate. And that's not something you can say for most statistics out there.

That's true. Yeah. A lot of things. You said that these sort of sexual STIs are top of mind. Sounds like for some people they're top of tongue. Oh, we do the jokes on the show. Anyway, what sort of things are running around there prevalent? I didn't even know there was like 14 different things. I just kind of thought of the main ones like herpes gonorrhea, chlamydia. The clap is clap chlamydia, chlamydia. The clap is gonorrhea.

Okay. See, I'm, I'm going to learn all sorts of shit here at 57 that I haven't learned yet, but you know, I, anytime I come back from Thailand and pretty clean. So I don't know what that's about. I'm joking folks. Never been to Thailand. What more do we need to know? I mean, this is telemedicine. What are some of the benefits of using your service over going to my local doctor? You can be completely honest with your doctor for one thing. And everybody should be honest with their doctor, but our patients tell

our doctors things like, let's say they're requesting ED medication. They might say, I'm absolutely fine with my wife at home, but we've been experimenting with the swinger lifestyle and I was in the orgy room and stage fright and yada, yada, yada. I mean, you can be that open and honest. And that is just an absolutely incredible thing because believe it or not, what happens with some people, particularly young men is they'll go to their doctor and they're really having erectile dysfunction issues because they have some, some anxiousness

and they'll, they'll tell the doctor, cause if you're young, the doctor is really going to want to lean into this a little bit and say, okay, what is going on with you? And if the person doesn't want to say erectile dysfunction, so they're just talking about, you know, I get nervous and this and that, and I'm trying to make love to the wife and whatever, they might walk out of that exam room with an anti-anxiety medication and not the actual ED medication that they came in for. So there's plenty of benefits with telemedicine. And one of the ways is honesty, first and foremost. You know, I, I, I would, I would hate to, you know, sometimes, sometimes

I go into the doctor and talk about these things are a little weird. I had had a girl from one time who had, when she was younger, she had, she was, she had to douche too many times with those douche things that have the chemicals in them that are actually really bad for women's vagina from what I understand. And she was douching like three or four times a day and it ruined the lining of her vaginal thing so it wouldn't secrete as much. At the time I wasn't aware of that and I was getting torn up with my skin.

Let's, I think I can, did I communicate that enough? So I thought I was having a problem of some type because I was in pain and, and, and I was actually having skin tear. And so I had to go see a urologist and I remember going into the urologist and I'm like, you know, he's, we're going to have to examine you and take a look at, you know, what's going on down there in the midway area. And he brought a nurse into the room. It was a woman. And I was like, you know, I, I'm cool with, uh, you know, I mean, I don't know why I should be cool with another dude in the room. Cause I'm straight, but I don't know. I'm just doing jokes, but you know, I really didn't want another woman looking at my junk that wasn't going to do anything with it.

I don't know how to explain it, but you know, it was a little shy, I guess is what I'm trying to say. That's what I'm trying to say. And, you know, like, I don't want a whole parade of people looking at Chris Foss's junk going, Hey, look, have you seen anything like that? Oh my gosh. Wow. You know what I mean? And you know, Hey, look, have you seen anything like that? Oh my gosh. Wow. You know what I mean?

And you know, this is private, you know, I mean, come on, man. I don't, I don't need, I don't need like that. Some chick going back to all the girls and nurses and be like, Holy crap, that dude's that dude's hanging there. Come to find out, you know, he just looked at me and he went, you need to talk to your girlfriend because something's wrong with her. We had to start living on KY after that. And then when I went home, that's when she admitted to me that she had this problem and

knew about it. And of course she tried to throw it off on me. Projection is such a wonderful tool that female nature loves to use. But yeah, that was the thing. But yeah, the whole experience was, you know, and if you live in like a, when I was young, I used to buy condoms for my friends in high school because it was a small town, religious town, and all the religious people worked at the store. So the bishop I think worked at the pharmacy. And so you couldn't go buy condoms because, you know, he would know you date, you were dating his daughter in high school.

So I have condoms for my friends. Plus, you know, they were all in the religion, the cult here and you know, it's embarrassing. So telemedicine is pretty nice. It's convenient. You know, I've been, I've been really sick with, with, I think I've had walking pneumonia twice and I had to use telemedicine cause there was, I couldn't even get myself into a car cause my head would spin around. And telemedicine was so helpful because I could sit at the edge of the bed and I could

give them the deets and now there's so many different measurement tools that they can have. The next thing you do is Z-Pak delivery because then I did have to drive to go get a Z-Pak. But yeah, that was hell. But telemedicine is so wonderful. It's kind of private. I don't have to worry about bumping in my doctor at the store and he's, Oh yeah, I remember you.

You were that. I remember you. Yeah. The thing ever clear up there, buddy. So yeah, telemedicine is wonderful, but there's some things to watch out for with it, certainly. One of the things that we do at Shameless Care is we don't do subscriptions, but that

is something that almost every other telemedicine company does. And I just feel like consent is really important. So whenever people are ordering medication, that sort of thing, they shouldn't expect to get another charge. And then we started out using subscriptions, Chris, but a couple interesting things happened. One was I noticed that people, a lot of people would almost immediately turn that subscription off as soon as their order was complete, which made me realize they don't like subscriptions. The other thing was a big percentage of the people that that didn't turn off

that subscription, Chris, their credit card would fail the next time that you know, three months cycle came up to redo their medication. And that really hit me at how much a lot of people are struggling and how much you can damage someone's finances by charging them 100 bucks or whatever, whenever something they've long since forgotten about it. So we just said, forget it, we're going to do away with subscriptions altogether. And we really haven't looked back. The other thing is that there's a lot of non-transparent pricing out there. There are certainly websites where it shows you the price of a medication. You click on the ad, you go to a landing page, and then it starts asking you some health

questions. It'll ask you first, what's your name and what's your birthday, innocent enough questions. Are you concerned about this problem? Yes, I am. How much? The next thing you know, you've given them a complete You know medical history and only then do you actually find out the real price of the medication? Which is often much more than what they originally said

But by that point you spent 15 or 20 minutes telling them everything including if your mom's ever had cancer and like complete medical history And I think people are kind of compelled just to follow through at that point. So it's a shame that telemedicine can fix a lot of problems, but strangely enough is making some problems worse at the same time. And then of course, this is, you know, this is sexual conversations about a private life. We tend to want to be a little bit more private. Like I said, I, when, you know, when they're calling all the nurses into the

doctor's office to check out Chris's junk, I mean, I feel complimented, but you know, I, you know, I, I'm kind of a quid pro quo sort of guy. If you get to see my junk, you get to experience my junk. I don't know what that means anyway, doing jokes. You know, is ED a big problem going on? I know Bill, Bill check might've had some of that and he fixed it with a 23 year old. What's going on there? I actually just read an article from Yale that

said that there's a 31 fold increase in ED amongst young men. And these were very young men between 18 and 21, I believe. That statistic is a little hard for me to believe 31 fold in 10 years, but I think it is true that a lot of young people are struggling in this country with a lot of different issues.

And they were blaming basically anything that could be going wrong. I don't think anybody knows for sure, but obesity, physical activity, marijuana use, alcohol, social media, just, they were just kind of throwing things against the wall and guessing at what was the problem. But there is something fundamentally wrong with young people in this country today and it's an absolute shame. And I think it's going to manifest itself in a lot of ways, including rectal dysfunction certainly. Yeah.

We're raised by millennials, so that explains a lot. No, I'm just teasing the millennials and the gents that you're so that's what we do here as Gen Xers, the hazing. But you know, a year and a half ago, I decided to go check myself for testosterone levels because I'm 57 or I was 55 at the time, I think or six. And I was feeling run down. I, I, you know, I just knew you're supposed to check this stuff. So I went in and checked and I had about half of what I normally should have.

And my free testosterone was zero. And I've been working out for three years to try and build chests and muscle and make myself a muscle dude. And I couldn't build past a certain point. I was just at a wall for a year and a half. And I was just like, you know, I just, and I just, I mean, I was beating myself up every other day. I would go and I was picking up an injury to air and there, nothing too big.

But I went in to get my testosterone checked and turns out, you know, I need more free testosterone. It's been a wonderful life since. But I go into the clinic and it's amazing how many young men are in there and women too. And one of the challenges that we've had, we've had a number of authors that have come in and talked about this, is this estrogenics problem that we have in our foods and in our chemicals that are in our like, especially in our cleaning

solutions, soap, shampoos, the stuff that you put in your dryer sheets, the stuff you put in, there's pyrimine wax and other different of these chemicals that are in there that actually attack and eat testosterone. And so, yeah, I can understand why a lot of young men are struggling with it. I see these young men come into the testosterone clinic. I'm like, Jesus, I don't know, man. But then again, like I said, tell us about some of the other things you guys treat. When I was going through the website, I learned all sorts of new terminology for drugs, for everything from herpes to gonorrhea to think ED that I, I'm just becoming a professional in this.

I hope I never need it, but I'm learning. Sure. Doxypep is the antibiotic doxycycline and it's been around for maybe about 50 years or so it's been around forever, but this is basically a new way of using it So instead of taking it after someone has an active infection They take just a single dose of it 200 milligrams after sex and it dramatically lessens the likelihood of contracting gonorrhea chlamydia and syphilis Or chlamydia and syphilis. It's close to 90%

and syphilis. For chlamydia and syphilis, it's close to 90%. So really extremely effective. And I don't think people realize how common those infections are. You know, the research shows that about 5% of sexually active women in the United States right now have chlamydia. I didn't say had, I said have. And so that's one of the number one more time again, just to clarify. 5%, one out of 20, one of 20 people have chlamydia right now. And that's men and women, right? No, that's sexually active young women. Wait, so when 5% of men at least have the chlamydia or how does that work?

Something that's really interesting, Chris, is that women are screened for chlamydia typically during a pap smear. Okay. The CDC does not recommend gonorrhea and chlamydia screening for heterosexual men at all. I was actually just learned about that not that long ago. There's something called the United States Preventative Services Task Force, and it's this group of people that get together, physicians and scientists and stuff like that,

and look at the evidence and make recommendations. And they recommend chlamydia and gonorrhea screening for women. They do not recommend it at all for men who are not gay and a few other kind of ancillary groups. It's really unbelievable to me because, yes, how can you possibly screen women for gonorrhea and chlamydia and think that's important, but not also screen the people who are continuously giving it to them? It makes absolutely no sense to me. But that's the

way the recommendations are as of right now. Is it possible that there's two items that may be a play here too? That is interesting. But you know, I know that women use healthcare more and part of it is, you know, with birth control and what's the main place all my girlfriends go to that the Republicans are always trying to shut down. You know, the clinics that are nationwide. Anyway, they have to go there for birth control and they usually use it for their gynecology tests and all the things that they need checked out because there's a lot of plumbing going on I guess.

Evidently, that's what I hear. I learned it in the sex class when I was a kid. But women tend to use healthcare more than men because men just, we just kind of, we just kind of go until we die and then it's over. It's cheaper on healthcare too. There is also, you know, we talked to this pre-show and I run a big, huge 5,000 dating group and I've been amazed at how the depth of Chad chasing and hookup culture have been. And right now we have about 95% of women chasing the top 10% of men and having sex with them,

all of them. I mean, not all of them, I should say, I can't speak for everybody, but we've been interviewing Chad's for my latest book and it's astounding. They're going through sometimes 30 to 60 women that they're trading through a month and they have an endless supply. I mean, I'm literally reading their DMs they're sending me and interviewing them on their sexual activity. And so if they're one man and if they're going through 30 to 60 women a month, I can see

that there would be more women having, and this, and the stats hold up too, across the nationwide. For some reason, when you measure women having sex and you pull them versus men, especially young men, Gen Zers having sex, like the numbers are completely disparity. And so you're like, somebody's having sex with very few numbers of people and it's women. And you can see what's going on with the dating apps, the dating apps, the thing. So those two factors may be at play there. I don't know, but definitely men should get checked more. I would agree.

Yeah. Most of these STIs are asymptomatic. So no symptoms at all. So if there's a young man out there that is having sex with 30, 40 women a month, he very well will have chlamydia and not have any symptoms at all. Really? I's a young man out there that is having sex with 30, 40 women a month, he very well will have chlamydia and not have any symptoms at all. Really? I didn't even know you can be symptomatic with that. Really? Oh, absolutely. Yeah. 70% of women with chlamydia have no idea they have it either. And so that's what these statistics lead to is that, you know,

these women are getting checked proactively at their doctor often during a pap smear. And so that's probably why the statistics are higher for women than they are for men is because the men just simply aren't getting checked at all. That is, I did not know that you could be, now, how many, how many other of these sexual diseases can you be asymptomatic on? I thought when you got one of these things, you're going to find out really soon, like it was going to hurt to pee and all those sorts of things that I've heard from strippers. I'm not sure. You know, I hear things that, that's all I know.

But I had one friend who wanted a strip club and one girl got it and everyone got it off the pole. Or maybe it was one of the guys, I don't know. So it was one of the two, but anytime you see this, anytime you're at Spirit Rhino and you see the really, the girl comes out was one of the guys. I don't know. It was one of the two, but anytime you see this, anytime you're at Spirit Rhino and you see the really, the girl comes out and wipes down the pole really hard. You're like something about that prior girl was going on jokes. People were just doing the jokes here. I'm not sure it's factual. It is, but yeah, it's, I didn't know you can be asymptomatic. I'm never having sex again. God damn it. Or with another person. Let's just put it that way. I think I'm, is there a telosector? Oh, there is actually. So how many

of the other diseases you, you are, can be asymptomatic? Well, most of them. I mean, really plasma genitalia, trichomonas. Yeah. Yeah. Herpes is a really interesting one because, you know, there's a blood antibody test, which is not a perfect test, but it's it's accurate. Most of the time, I would say. And, you know, a lot of people test positive for it and they test positive for it consistently. Meaning, yes, they do, in fact, have those antibodies, but they've never had a single outbreak. And that's actually one of the reasons why, generally speaking, clinicians these days don't recommend that herpes simplex virus antibody test. Now, obviously, if someone's having an outbreak, you go to the doctor, they swab the source. That's the best way to test for herpes. But the blood test,

really, if someone tests positive, but they've never had an outbreak, what did you give them other than a good sense of anxiety? It's not bothering them physically, they're probably not gonna spread it to anybody else. It's one of those things where there was almost no upside to telling them that. But yeah, mycoplasma, TRIC, those are two things that are extremely common. The three STIs that we test positive for the most often

at shamelesscare.com are mycoplasma genitalium, trichomonas, and Uroganuria. And all three of those are almost always asymptomatic. Now keep in mind Chris, that our STI testing is at home. So people are shipped a testing kit. They do the throat swab, they do the anal swab, they do a urine test, they do a blood test. They ship that back to the lab.

That's really only appropriate for asymptomatic people because it's coming through the mail. I mean, if somebody is, wakes up in the morning and can't pee and they got stuff dripping out of them, obviously they just need to go to urgent care. They should not be waiting at home for an STI testing kit. So our patients are asymptomatic right from the get go, but those three infections that I just told you about

are usually asymptomatic in people. And then it's just one of those things where they eventually get bad enough or in certain people, they just take a strong hold for whatever reason and they blow up with symptoms. You know what you have, you've maybe used more protective sex than ever before.

I'm not sure I'm having sex with any other person ever after this, but I mean, you, so you literally Maybe use more protective sex than ever before. I'm not sure I'm having sex with any other person after this, but I mean, you, so you literally have to swab for anal mouth and you know, the front end of things, I guess, depend upon how your tool or if you're lacking a tool, that's wild, man. I didn't even know. I just always figured that like your skin is like a unified sort of membrane and if you've got it anywhere on you then You know one test should fix it all but I didn't realize you you gotta start swat I'm gonna have to swallow my ears my armpits and I don't know if you know this but here in BYU

They do armpit stuff. That's where that joke comes from It's fucking weird here. But you know, this is a big deal. And now one thing I should probably clarify is you also do, you do tests for men as people can go look at those availabilities on your site. You also do tests for her and different things. And I didn't know there's a plan B test for STIs now where, I mean, if after you have sex, you can take a pill and, and maybe it won't grow on you. If you had exposure to it, is that, is that the right way to frame it?

Or am I just having fun with jokes? Yeah. I think you basically killed the bacteria before it has a chance to colonize. It's really interesting. You know, that, that same protocol actually works for tick bites, believe it or not. Yeah. Doxy PEP taking 200 milligrams of doc cycling within 72 hours after a tick bite, the exact same protocol as after sex reduces the risk of contracting Lyme disease. If that tick had Lyme disease, obviously didn't have Lyme disease and

your risk is zero. But if that tick was infected, it reduces the person's risk of getting Lyme disease by close to 90%, almost exactly as with chlamydia and syphilis. So they may find more and more uses for using doxycycline kind of proactively like that and little doses. We'll have to see where the science leads. It's really cool. I got to buy more boxes of Magnum mix excels.

I, I'm going to start wearing them double or triple. Let me, let me ask you this. So this is probably a good question. Do you find that a lot of people that are picking up stuff in your polling of people is because they're not using protection during sex? Is protection going to help me? You know, it's protection stand up. Like everyone says it does.

If you wear condoms, if you take preventative steps, are you gonna reduce your, do you find that most people are picking this up or being a little careless maybe? I don't know, I was too much fun maybe. Yeah, I think people, I wish I had as much faith in anything, Chris, as people do in condoms.

But the problem is how they use them. You know, let's face it, most people prefer to have unprotected oral sex. I didn't say what people should do. I said what people actually do. And I can prove that to you, Chris, you can go to any place in America that sells condoms, and you'll find maybe your XXLs that you need and the smalls that I need and everything in between. And but you probably won't find is a dental damn. I have never once seen a dental damn anywhere at a gas station at a Walgreens. And these are the pieces of, yeah, you've heard of them, but you can get gonorrhea in the mouth.

So you've been really educating us here. Yeah. Syphilis spreads by oral sex, mycoplasma, genitalia can spread by oral sex, gonorrhea, chlamydia, HPV is a big one that can spread by actually the oral sex, mycoplasma genitalium can spread by oral sex, gonorrhea, chlamydia, HPV is a big one that can spread by actually just skin to skin contact, HSV from oral sex or skin to skin contact. So what that condom does a great job of is preventing pregnancy, dramatically lessening the risk of HIV and hepatitis. But for everything else, generally speaking, if you're having unprotected oral sex,

you're at significant risk of those things. And I just wanna make something super clear, Chris, which is that I'm very, you know, sex positive. I think sex is great. I think people live in their life. Life is short. You're gonna die of something. It's not gonna be gonorrhea for heaven's sakes.

You know, go out and enjoy yourself. And you can make sex so safe that no one wants to have it. I mean, if I had to put a dental dam over a vulva every time before I had oral sex, I think I would just find something else to do. So, but that's me, everybody has their own life to live. But I do think that people just don't realize how easily these things spread by oral sex and how asymptomatic they often are. And it just goes to show that whenever people are going to get tested, cause I feel like most people do get STI tested, you just have to make sure that you're being STI tested really thoroughly.

Take, take mycoplasma genitalium, for example, it's a little bacteria. That's extremely common, extremely, extremely common. And I doubt if a single person listening to this right now, who's been STI tested has ever been STI tested for doctors just don't seem to think about it. But I can tell you that patients often test positive for it. And then they go, Oh, okay, so I wasn't having recurrent UTIs. It turns out I have have mycoplasma genitalium, like people are often surprised, but then put two and two together. So I just believe that as an act of decency, when people are in the dating pool or whatever they're doing, that when they get tested, they start to take a really proactive stance here. And the number one thing I think people can do, Chris, is to stop using

terms like STI tested or STI panel or full panel, not because those aren't politically correct terms or anything like that, just because they have no defined meeting. I mean, you can go to 10 different doctors and say, I've been on Tinder or whatever, you know, test me for everything. And you're going to get 10 completely different STI panels, there will be there will be little similarity between them. And so if two people meet at the bar, Chris, and one of them says, you know, I was just STI tested for everything last week. And the other

one says, Oh, great, me too. Those two people have no idea what they were tested for, much less what the other person was tested for. And there's going to be plenty of things that aren't checked. going to be plenty of things that aren't, aren't checked. And, and what about AIDS testing? Is that a big thing anymore? I remember, I remember this was the nineties and stuff when I, when I was dating a flight attendant and she really wanted us both to take an AIDS test. And we went in and did the blood test for the AIDS tests. And I guess back then that was about the only thing you had to worry about too much.

I don't know the seventies were over and you know, it seems like STIs kind of slowed down or disappeared after the disco era. You know, with AIDS, people seem to have gotten a little bit behavior better. But, you know, now with hookup culture that we have here in our environment for heterosexual people, it's crazy what's going on out there. People are bumping uglies a lot, let's just put it that way. And they're not staying in relationships like heterosexual people used to do.

So I think they're picking up more stuff. But yeah, I mean, I've used condoms, I've had condoms break, you know? And then you spend the next two hours in the shower with the steel wool scrubbing your dick so that Whatever. I don't know man But you know you try to be careful, but you're right. I mean you can't you can't armor yourself too much I'm just gonna wear one of those giant chemical suits

You know the ones they use in Chernobyl when you go into the radiation things, you know, the big hazmat suits I'm just gonna start wearing that during sex from here on out that no more condoms, no more your sex, no more your sex. Cause you only have a test for that. So I probably have, who knows what's in there. Right. I just, I'm doing the jokes. So basically judgment free sexual care, board certified doctors, online

consultants, prescriptions delivered to your door, probably discreetly. They probably don't have a big label on them, right? That says here's your herpes medicine, buddy. So that, you know, all your neighbors know what's up. Absolutely. Yeah. And a product that is really, really cool is called shamelessly aroused.

And this is basically Viagra for women. Oh, really? They got that now? Yeah. Absolutely. yeah. Instead of an oral pill, because when they did clinical trials previously with oral ED medications in women,

basically the juice wasn't worth the squeeze. It wasn't a dramatic impact, and because an oral medication is going all over your body, the side effects were pretty dramatic as well. But with topical Viagra, it's a compounded medication, rub it on the clitoris and vulva about 30 minutes before sex, and that pretty dramatically increases blood flow to that area, which has been shown to increase natural lubrication, ability to orgasm. Yeah, yeah. And it can really for a lot of women sort of turn back the clock.

I mean, it's really popular as women who are premenopausal or menopausal. I mean, anybody probably benefit for it. But having that increased blood flow, just like gentlemen, as they get older, can often benefit from an ED medication, kind of get that blood flowing, get things moving down there. The same thing is true for women. absolutely. So we have a product called Shamelessly Aroused and it's been probably our second bestseller besides the DoxiePep, the clan B for STIs as you called it earlier. I know women go through a lot of hormonal things and sometimes loss of sex, sometimes it's an imbalance of estrogen and testosterone. I've been reading lately about paramedicopause that women pick up in their 40s or starts in their late thirties, forties, and then, you know, turns into full

blow menopause. And, you know, it can kill sex, sex lives. I mean, I've got all my friends are married except for me. I can't afford the divorces. I tried to, I was engaged twice, but that was about it. And I'm still saving up money for my first divorce. I'm about two million in, so I think a couple, two million more should complete it, then I can finally get married. But all my married friends, you know, they've got wives right now that are, they've been with all their life, they're wonderful, they have these wonderful relationships, and they're ride and die partners.

But, you know, their partners are going through the Dr. Jekyll, Mr. Hyde sort of experience. It's not fun. So I'm glad there's stuff like that. You know, I've taken all my life, there's different conditioning tools I've used to beat prostate cancer and it seems like I've done a pretty good job so far. My dad had prostate problems 15 years younger than me right now and I'm still hammering nails in, but you know, there's different herbal remedies I use, like I think one is, I forget what it, you know, him,

babe, you know, I'm basically like a one way to, to get blood flow to that area for at least men. I don't know if it works for women. Yeah. It's great that they have these things, you know, women, women want to have fun too, eh, and you know, sometimes you need a little booster there, you know, I, I, yeah, you know, the, the DiCaprio booster, you just date somebody who's half your age and things work better that way.

I don't know. Jokes, people jokes. What else have we talked about the shameless care does that people should know about? I think the biggest thing that we do is we just lead with our hearts and we're hell-bent on this idea of educating people about STIs and testing them thoroughly. I mean, I get the other telemedicine companies, they have an STI test. It says a test for gonorrhea and chlamydia and it does, but it's genitally only. So Chris, you know, imagine you're running a telemedicine business and you decided to do STI testing.

And let's just say that a gonorrhea and chlamydia test cost you 15 bucks as the business owner. If you also include a throat swab, guess what? Now it costs 30 bucks. If you also include a anal swab, guess what? Now it costs $45. Meanwhile, you're competing against other people who are only testing the genitals. The general customer doesn't know any different, but we have just taken a moral stance that, you know, because of the origin story of the company, which is the fact that I had a neural gonorrhea infection,

that we're gonna test people really thoroughly or we're just not gonna test them at all. One of the things that I'm particularly proud of on our website is we have a webpage on our website that people can go to that helps them get quality testing like ours, but from their physicians, they don't have to pay us at all. Obviously we want to, we want to make sales, but at the end of the day, you know,

our STI test is 300 bucks because it tests for 14 sexual transmitted infections. It's coming through the mail both ways. There's a doctor attached with it. And that's a lot of money for a lot of people and people work really hard for their insurance, which we don't accept at shamelesscare.com. So we have a, we have a webpage on our website where people can look. It has a list of infections that we recommend. They can take a screenshot of that, walk into their doctor's office, ask for that.

And we actually have a video on there, because after I was told I had oral gonorrhea, but I had no confirmation yet, I had to go to three different doctors until I found one who knew how to do a throat swab test for gonorrhea. Really? Absolutely, it's something that most physicians, they don't argue the point,

they think about it for a minute, live they're like, oh you're right Yeah, I should be doing that but I've never done it and I don't know how to do it So I'm not going to do it that sort of deal and so we have a video on our website that people can Hold up and show the doctor in the exam room It's from an OB GYN and she's basically explaining to whoever this other doctor is on the other end of the of the telephone there How to do a throat swab test. And she says, oh, it's so easy, don't worry about it. It's the orange aptum swab.

It's already in your exam room. You have swabbed the throat just like you do for strep throat. It's actually the same swab too, by the way. And then you stick it back in the test tube and you send it off to the lab and you code it this way in your computer and you're done. So we're just really proud of that

because we don't want anybody. Like I told you earlier, 80% of our gonorrhea cases are oral only. They would have all been missed with a genital swab or a urine test. And we want people to do the right thing. Yeah. Do the right thing. That's probably the reason it's spreading too. If we don't have doctors doing proper checkups on people.

Yeah. I mean, you know, I've, I think I've known people that have gotten herpes on their mouth and that's, I guess that's, that's technically an oral herpes, right? But I didn't know people could be asymptomatic with it. Like, yeah, I just kind of, I just, I didn't even think I knew what asymptomatic was till COVID came around and my sister got COVID and no one knew, not even her. She was an exhibiting Simpson. And I'm like, wait, that's a thing. I've been giggling a little over here on a, I probably shouldn't giggle

because it's a serious thing, but so, you know, maybe that's what we do on the show. We were fried a little bit of love at a year, but I know there's gift cards on here. Do you ever have people that are like, you know, like I said, in the nineties, there was a gal I dated who was a flight attendant. And she, she's, if you want to have sex with me, we're gonna have to go have an AIDS test and, and, you know, see how it goes. And you know, if we're going to stop wearing condoms, I think it was, you know, maybe you're dating somebody and you're, you're like, Hey, it's, we're, we're finally going to, you know, consummate this thing and see what happens.

Maybe you, maybe you were some test kits, you know, I can see that this could be a couple's date, you know, consummate this thing and see what happens. Maybe you, maybe you order some test kits, you know, I can see that this could be a couple's date, you know, Hey honey, we're going to order some test kits, go to dinner and, and then swab each other. Yeah. Chris, we actually do have a lot of couples that order tests together. That's actually a pickup line I use at the bar. Some of those couples are swingers. I mean, we advertise on a lot of swinger podcasts and things like that.

And so here's something that'll blow your mind about STIs. Now this is completely anecdotal. I've not like I've done any studies on this. I'm just seeing test results and sometimes it's just absolutely head scratching. It's surprising how many times a married couple who I assume are in the swinger lifestyle will order tests at the same time get their test results back and Not test positive for the same thing. So it might be that she has a chlamydia infection that he doesn't have It just goes to show that there's something interesting about really all infections where

You know you you might have sex with your with your wife 50 times. She never gets it You might have sex with your wife 50 times, she never gets it. Meanwhile, you have sex with someone else one time and they happen to get it. It just matters. There's so many variables at play. I mean, you know, as well as I do, think back of COVID. You were probably sitting right next to somebody with COVID on a plane, yet you didn't get it for some reason. You just weren't susceptible to it at that exact moment for reasons that nobody really understands. Or had a thick-ass mask on, which I usually did.

It took four years for me to get that shit because I isolated properly. But you know, I can afford to, so that helped. I noticed also there's a gift card. So I might send some gifts at Christmas just to be a shit head. But you know, I know a lot of merry dudes are my friends and they probably need the ED anyway, you know, but you can have a gift card. So give the gift of STI freedom, free STI, whatever. I think. Absolutely. Clearly you shouldn't hire me for an ad man for this. Or maybe you should. I mean, you just need one of those funny commercials. Like they have those professional funny commercials,

like they had the pooping unicorn. You just need one of those funny commercials. Like they have those professional funny commercials, like they had the pooping unicorn. Just need one of those commercial companies to make a really funny ad and just, you know, make it fun, STI testing. But no, I mean, having safe sex really important if you care about yourself, you care about other people, you know, just like COVID, you don't wanna spread it because you're an asshole if you spread it, especially if you know you have

it like the other day I was in, there's like a, at my gym, there's six massage chairs and it's in a kind of a small room that they have these massage chairs. And there was one gal down at the end. It was clearly sick. She's like coughing up phlegm and all this sort of stuff. And I'm just like, are you fucking kidding me? You are in public in this small room with the rest of us, you know, trying to actually get some peace and they're sharing this stuff.

But, you know, I mean, this is, this is maybe, maybe I think what I'm bringing is, you know, you've got to self advocate for your own health. You got to do some testing like what you guys do, prevention tools, maybe after sex with that pill. Now is that pill after sex that prevents anything from happening or it doesn't prevent it, it will fight it and work, I think you said 90% of the time, is that for both men and women? Dr. Ben Jolte It is for both men and women. The original, it's just like all medical research seems to focus on men, it seems. And this product is definitely being pushed towards men who have sex with men

community, but it can benefit anyone. And we already talked about what a problem committee is, for example, in women, the clinical trials with it were really interesting because there was the original clinical trial, there were several in gay men, and then there was only one in women and that clinical trial took There were several in gay men and then there was only one in women and that clinical trial took place in Kenya and interestingly enough it showed no statistical significance in reducing the STIs for women in this clinical trial. However, and this is a really important point, when the researchers took hair samples from the women in the study who purportedly took the doxycycline, took the doxypep, most of them had not taken it at all.

They weren't honest about their participation in the trial. And so that clinical trial kind of got tossed out more or less because of that. There was another study out of Japan where female sex workers in Japan, because of course, when you do a study like this, you have to find a group of people who are likely to get STIs or it's just not going to work. And it showed that doxycycline as a preventative was hugely successful at reducing gonorrhea, chlamydia and syphilis. And perhaps more importantly, in that particular study, it did not negatively impact vaginal health at all. There was no increase in UTIs. There was no increase in yeast infections. There was no increase in BB. Cause I know that that's something that women have to be very careful of.

When they hear the word antibiotic, they often think, Oh no, is that going to throw everything off downstairs? Oh, really? I don't know what it balances. It just didn't seem to harm it in the way. The, you know, and as a man, you have condoms break every now and then it just happens. It's just, I don't know, you haven't too much fun for too long and shit breaks or whatever, you know, and then you got chlamydia of the year, callback jokes on the show.

So yeah, there's another, there's another, there's another disease that I think everyone can get, but when women get it, it can seriously impact their ability to have children. It's an HPV, human papillomavirus, or something like that. But they can spread it through men who can spread it to other women. Do you know what I'm talking about? I'm not a pro on this, so clearly. Yeah, there's a lot of infections like that. HPV is a really interesting one though, because it can cause cervical cancer and cancer and lots of other problems.

Luckily, the vaccine has been amazingly successful at lessening cervical cancer rates. Cervical cancer rates are dropping across the country pretty dramatically. And so that's another win for, for modern healthcare right there. And hopefully something that future generations just won't have to worry about at all. Now is that,

can women and men test that through some of the testing you offer, or is that like a separate thing? We don't offer testing for HPV. And the reason is because the CDC doesn't recommend testing in men. There's also no way to test the penis for HIV or excuse me HPV. There's no way to collect cells from inside the penis. So you can do like an oral swab for HPV, but HPV like some of these others we've talked about is also site-specific.

So if you test your throat HPV free, it doesn't actually mean that the person doesn't have HPV. So women are tested for HPV during their pap smear. And that's, you know, I'm not a physician. That seems to be critically important because HPV can cause cervical cancer. And so if they test positive, then they go in for some additional screenings and kind of extra care and things like that. Pete Slauson That's crazy, man. Yeah, I don't think I'm ever going to have sex after this. I think I'm done. I think I'm over.

I'm 57. I've had enough fun. The, but yeah, I just might stay home from here on out, but no, it's, it's good to know that these resources are available. It's good to educate people. One of the, the most weirdest things I've had to deal with that we were talking about this pre-show and coming to Utah, is the amount of people that are still using the pullout method and don't use protection of condoms. I've never been in a state before that they don't, this is, I don't know what's going on,

they're still operating like they're teenagers. And I'll meet 50 year old men and women that are not using condoms for initial sex and they're using the pullout method too and they don't have a sex to me. I mean, I've been blessed. I've had a sex to me since 22. That's why I never been married. You don't have kids or whichever order that takes place. I think it sometimes goes the other way. You have kids and then you have to get married. But you know, it's, it's a thing where, you know, please use some protection people for the love of God. I mean, if you don't want to do it for yourself, do it for other people, just to be a responsible citizen,

for Christ's sake, because I don't want your business. Do you have any tests that can test people, test for stupid people? Because that's usually what I need. Jared Liesveld No, not yet. Peteus I don't want to be sleeping with stupid people either. I need to, I need stupid, stupid people sleeping with prevention. You know, I've had enough of, of my car being keyed and my home being broken into by jealous women. So I don't need that anymore. Never date models folks.

Anyway, leave it for me. Anything more we need to know about before we go? No, I just really appreciate your time, Chris. It was an honor to talk with you. And we've had some fun on the show folks folks, and I've told a lot of jokes, and but I hope people take this seriously. We put the fun in there, the entertainment, or what do we call it? Fun-tainment or infotainment, that's what we call it. So we've had some fun, but please take this sort of stuff seriously, get checked. You know, if you, it's, it, you feel so much peace of mind when you get checked.

When I got my vasectomy, it's so much peace of mind. I have to worry about impregnating somebody. You sleep better at night. The sex is actually better. They proven. And so get yourself tested, use preventive tools. I mean, full of a God, especially if I'm going to sleep with you. Anyway, thank you very much for coming to the show.

We really appreciate it. Robert, this has been very insightful. I'm going to share this with my dating group and I don't know, maybe we'll give away a few test kits or something. I have some people I know of that probably definitely need some test kits. I'll suggest it to them. Anyway, Robert, give us your dot coms. We go out and file thoughts.

Shamelesscare.com. It's an honor to serve people and we're looking forward to making sexual health kind of take it out of the shadows and encourage people to get tested thoroughly and enjoy themselves. Yeah. I want to have a few tests kicking around the house there or something maybe. And then how can people onboard with your site? Do they download an app or do they, and I imagine there's a customer service line. They can ask questions to find out more. Sure. They can ask questions.

The main thing is just to go to the website, find the test kit or the medication that you're interested in. You, you check out just like you were buying a pair of socks on Amazon or something like that. And then you are brought to a medical, a HIPAA compliant medical intake form where you put in your medical information. The doctor typically approves or denies within an hour or so. And if the doctor denies for whatever reason, let's say somebody wants ED medication, but they have some, some other medications that they're on where that wouldn't be safe.

Then, you know, people get a full refund, that sort of thing. So the whole process wouldn't be safe, then people get a full refund, that sort of thing. So the whole process couldn't be easier. Probably takes about five minutes for people to order and get through the necessary forms. I had a married friend who they got denied for EMS and then they just sent a picture of their spouse in and then they got approved. No, I'm just kidding. It's the jokes, people.

Notice I didn't say sex on any of that of who male or female. So that was a that was an open-ended joke for everybody to jump on. Anyway, thank you very much for coming the show. We really appreciate it. Thanks Ron, it's for tuning in. Check it out please. And as like my little PSA said earlier, please people get tested and behave responsibly. You're adults already and you know, you get these diseases, I believe they can affect pregnancy in children, right? Some of them, if you have this disease and you have a child. David Erickson Absolutely. Yeah, syphilis can be passed from mother to child and it's an absolute tragedy and a hundred percent preventable tragedy.

Pete Slauson Yeah, yeah. Can you fight syphilis? Is that one of those things that can, that can heal or is that permanent? Which of these diseases is permanent again? I should probably know this because I'm learning all sorts of stuff about, I didn't even know you could be asymptomatic. So I know herpes, a certain form of herpes can't be fixed. You're stuck with it for life, right? Yes. Yep. What about syphilis? Syphilis can be cured. People will test positive for it because they'll have the antibodies, a certain type of tests they'll test positive for the rest of their life.

It can be cured. And then HIV. And what a blessing, Chris, you know, you and I are both of the age where when we were young AIDS was a death sentence. Oh, it was crazy. And it came quick. I remember when it came out and I mean, this is the scariest shit, you know, Freddie Mercury and a lot of people, you know, you saw how they kind of went to the end, the pictures and yeah, it was horrible. And thank God now that they've got ways of really the survival rate on it, I think is incredible now. But yeah, I mean, you survival rate on it, I think is incredible now.

But yeah, I mean, you don't want some of these diseases, people, and you don't want to share them either, so be responsible. Anyway, thanks for tuning in to my audience. Go to GoodReset.com, Forch says Chris Foss, LinkedIn.com, Forch says Chris Foss. Chris Foss won on the TikTokity, and out of 2400 shows in 16 years, we probably use the penis word more often in the show, but it was for me. I'm not sure if we're going up or down at this point. So anyway, thanks everyone for tuning in.

Be good to each other. Stay safe and have yourself checked. We'll see you next time. That just falls right in line with the, you know, we do on the show.