The Chris Voss Show - The Chris Voss Show Podcast – It’s All The Same To Me: A Torah Guide To Inner Peace and Love of Life by Moshe Gersht

Episode Date: May 6, 2021

It's All The Same To Me: A Torah Guide To Inner Peace and Love of Life by Moshe Gersht After spending a decade and a half studying the depths of Torah, Kaballah, Chasidus, and Spirituality, Moshe Gersht has gifted us with a new lens on life. With his spiritual guide It's All The Same To Me, Moshe Gersht inspires readers to discover the freedom and joy of a life lived in the deep connection of "sameness." Gersht introduces the powerful kaballistic idea of Hishtavus to explain how getting beyond our ego is not only essential to your happiness, but is also the key to loving the life you experience. Gersht makes the most esoteric concepts seem like an easy read and every page is an enjoyable moment. It's All The Same To Me has been compared to Eckhart Tolle's "The Power of Now," as author of "Mastering Life," Dov Ber Cohen, says "The next level! The Power of Now meets The Power of Torah. Awesome guide to real inner work and exactly what the world needs right now."Illuminating, enlightening, and uplifting, Moshe Gersht's It's All The Same To Me is a joyful spiritual guide for a better way to live and for building a better world.

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the new book that came out February 16, 2021. It's All the Same to Me, A Torah Guide to Inner Peace and Love of Life. This is a pretty amazing book, and his journey is quite amazing too. We'll be talking to him about it. And this episode is brought to you by our sponsor ifi-audio.com and their micro idst signature it's a top of the range desktop transportable DAC and headphone app that will supercharge your headphones it has two brown burr DAC chips in it and will decode high-res audio and MQA files. We're using it in the studio right now. I've loved my experience with it so far. It just makes everything sound so much more richer and better

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and expresses these fundamental spiritual ideas with universal principles of psychology, spirituality, and self-development. His newest book, the one we have him on here today, has garnered the attention of many other spiritual leaders such as Deepak Chopra and Rabbi Manis Friedman. He understands the true nature of the human mind and our collective struggles and has devoted his life to helping people align with their purpose, peace, and inner joy. He delivers a fresh new look at consciousness, happiness, and loving the life you live and is now reaching a global audience that is captivated by his work sensitive and soft-spoken his care for those he teaches and his guides is palpable and the palpable gentleman is here today welcome the show how are you i'm great chris how you doing good good did i get the assidute right? You got it.

All right. All right. I'm going to get in the Jewish club eventually. I love my Jew friends. They don't knock on my door on Saturday morning when I'm hung over and ask me if I want to join. So awesome sauce. But give us your plugs or people can find you on the interwebs. Yeah.

You can check us out on all the social media platforms, Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, LinkedIn, YouTube, all at Moshe Gersh, or youtube.com forward slash Moshe Gersh, MosheGersh.com and certainly find the book on Amazon. So this book is pretty cool. It actually has a referral from Deepak Chopra. How's that for fun? Yeah, lots of fun. I was I was really excited by what he had to say. And the fact that we got to include him as a collaborator with the book is a beautiful thing. There you go. What was the motivation for you wanting to write this book? You see, this book actually came out of COVID, out of Corona. I had just come back from New York City where I was given a really interesting job offer. I took my family,

me and my family, me, my wife, my three kids, we went out there for about a week and a half to see if we were about to change our entire life from Jerusalem to Manhattan. And we decided it wasn't for us. And the day we left was February 28 2020. Which is if you remember at the end of February, beginning of March, that's when it really hit when we got back, life wasn't the same as when we left. And so the world closed down. I had just finished writing another book, which is also about spiritual self-development and growth. But I found that for the next six to eight weeks, I was locked in my apartment with my

family. And I wanted to be able to put something into words that would really capture what I was working on in my own inner world at the time. So although I spent years studying the ideas in here, this really became a deep practice for me during those first eight weeks. And I felt it was something that we could share with the world as we're all going through this together. You really dodged a bullet. What's the Jewish phrase for dodging a bullet or is there one? I don't know. Maybe I felt like I dodged a missile. There you go. That would have been bad if we got stuck over there.

Yeah, you guys are used to doing that, sadly, in Israel. I've had friends in Israel. They'll show me videos where they pull the car. Anyway, so give us an arcing overview of this book and all that good stuff. So the name of the book is It's All the Same to me. And really what it's about is how to find yourself in a space where you feel connected to who you are, where you feel totally authentically real and recognize that the world you live in is not nearly as bleak or dark as many people believe it is, and that it's actually full of opportunity. And when you get into that space and you get into the right rhythm,

you find that there's a deep undercurrent of peace and joy and love that exists in your nature. It's part of our natural experience is actually to be joyful, to be happy. When you look at kids, before we brainwash our little children into the world that they grow up in, And they have these agreements and conclusions that they make based on how they're raised. Kids play and they have fun and they enjoy their life. And that ends for a lot of people. And I would say most of us at a certain point, when it doesn't have to, because there's that playfulness, that loving sense of self that exists within. So the book is supposed to help a person really tap into those things while actually reaching up and experiencing that there's more to life than just what you're on the surface level.

I mean, why didn't you go with sadness and depression? There seems like so many books on happiness. Just kidding. No one wants to read those books. So anyway, I just lost the depression audience, but they tune in to see me. So I have those issues, too. So I'm sure we're fine. Let's start before we get into some of the details of the book.

We played out some things so that people can go order the book right away, and I'm sure everyone is doing that now. But you started out a pop punk band you were going to go do. How do we go from that to your spiritual journey and Deepak Chopra and all this stuff? How does that journey happen? Yeah, music is so much a part of my life. I'm born and raised in la so north hollywood my vision of the the greatness and future that i wanted to have as a teenager was to be on stage

touring around the country and i had the privilege and blessing to do that for many years and after it was right towards the end we had signed a record deal when i was 18 wow and yeah it was awesome such a great time what a special time and do we know any hits from this band no the band was called in theory yeah i think there's a an old music video on youtube from a track called a new medication that was around at the time but youtube it was 2007 so youtube was still relatively new social media was all like at the time what was big was myspace you remember myspace is that friends from myspace which is weird yeah that was real that was like that was the whole world i think i saw him in account over there yeah we had at the time i think we had which was a lot we

have 30 000 friends on myspace and and we had hundreds of thousands of plays on our whatever the little thing, media player that they had over there. And things were like exploding. And then we got radio play and things were like really moving forward. And we were touring. And at the time,

the bands that we were opening up for and spending time with on the road were like Plain White Tees, Yellow Card, story of the year papa roach i don't know if any of those uh groups resonated ring a bell yeah i've heard of those guys yeah yeah they were they were pretty big so anyway life was great and there was a record release party for our at the time was most recent record and at the party somebody came over to me and he was actually my guitar player and he said

hey man like how long are we going to do this for and i thought it was such a funny question do what so you'll play music how long are we going to do this for i realized i don't know what you're talking about and he pushed the question i said i don't know we're going to play till we get successful and then we'll settle down. I don't know. That's what you do. And he was holding a beer in his hand. I could tell that it wasn't his first. And he's like, so when's that?

I said, when's what? He said, when's successful? I basically said, you get out of my face. So you're like killing my buzz. We're putting out an album right now. What do you want? Hold your breath. It's happening.

But that question burned in me like a fever. I woke with it the next morning i was like i don't know when it's successful i never thought about it before and i sat with that for a week before i made a decision that what success what success meant to me was i guess i have to look into that think about it i never thought about what it means to be successful i thought you just do what you love and that's it why add your brain to something that you already, you have the talent, you have the creativity, you've got the, you've got a record label, you've got the friends, you've got the audience. Like why would you even consider doing anything else? But it was like such an important point in my life to think about, is there a way to do life or, or do you just figure it out as you go?

Yeah. For me, I just fumble around and like a drunken idiot and yeah knock things over like a bull in a china shop and then i'm just like somewhere around 50 i go i could have done better but why stop now it's working for you it's not working for me that's the problem when you got a good run you just gotta go for it man i just gotta use anyway i'm just kidding so was this the yoko ono moment that broke up the band this idea yeah yeah it was that that sat with me these guys were so upset and i love them if they ever hear this i love you guys i'm so sorry he still loves you guys yeah but he ran off with the yoko ono idea. Don't worry, it happened to the Beatles too. It's a rite of passage.

Yeah, I can't use the language they used at me after they found out. That was bad news. And we still had tour stuff set up. We still had shows that we still had to play. And I was under contract. And so my record label, I had to deal with them and the PR managers and everybody. It was a scene. So it was like six weeks. a little bit longer it was like 10 weeks from that question to just getting up and saying okay i gotta search i gotta start searching and i gotta know what instrument

did you play with the band i'm a singer and i play guitar oh wow so they lost were you the singer yeah so they lost their singer they just put out an album wow it was like uh what if that what if that album had gone to like straight to the top man yeah they probably would have brought me back you would have been like that guy who like uh quit the beatles or something or the rolling stones early on he's like yeah i don't i don't know about this that was the name best or something um and then they had to bring in Ringo. Yeah. So this is pretty interesting.

So where do you go on the journey from there? So when I left, I just remember being on the flight. I was coming to my family who's from LA, but they made a big move when I was 18. They moved to Israel, which I had no intentions of ever moving here. But after I went through this, I felt, okay, as a Jewish guy, that's where my roots are, I guess. I'm going to go look for the meaning of life in Jerusalem. And I got on this flight and I was like halfway laughing and crying at the same time,

like just leaving my life behind, but excited about the future and not being stuck anymore. And so I show up in Jerusalem in this, it's like an apartment complex that has this middle floor. It's actually a really beautiful area that has this thing called the yeshiva. Do you know what a yeshiva is? No. The yeshiva is a learning center for people to come and study Torah, which is the ancient Jewish wisdom.

I showed up there. I had no idea what it was going to be like. Just basically before I went to Israel, I called up everyone I knew who knew where you would go to do these things and said, like, where do I go to find out more? And they sent me there and I fell in love. They started talking about ideas that I'd never thought about before. And then other ideas that I'd lived with my whole life, which always resonated and showing me just a lot of depth and connection, just about how life works and how the psyche works. And what are we doing in this world? And your big vision ideas.

And that's it. When you fall in love with the, you meet, it's love at first sight. You see the girl, you don't ask too many questions. You just go for it. And it was the same thing with this. I just jumped in headfirst. And then that, I did that for about 13 years. And a lot happened in between landing and 13 years later, but that was my full time, like somewhere between eight

and 12 hours a day. I was immersed in either meditation or prayer or learning straight out of text or dialogue. And then at some point that turned into teaching and speaking, giving lectures and classes and the like. That's a big, like on one foot, big vision of what happened when I got here. And then a couple of years ago, a number of things took place in my life that inspired me to actually want to share this with others. I didn't, at a certain point you get to a place like this is, it can't just be for me. Like we're all here to grow together. We're all here to live together. So we have to start sharing the wisdom, sharing the wealth of how to live a great life. That's what I've been up to.

There you go. So you've written several books to my understanding, correct? Before this one? Yeah. One, one other that's published than this. And then a third one that's not yet published, but yeah. Ah, there's a third one coming. Is it an extension of this book or is it totally a different type of book?

So it is an extension of this book. And oddly enough, I wrote it first. I wrote it before this book, and I see this book, it's all the same to me, that it's come out as more of a primer and a foundation for everything else I write. It's the lens through which I see everything else. Is it called It's All the Same to Me Again?

My brother, the whole book is about how everything's good and things are taken care of and that there's a divine intelligence in the world and all this really beautiful stuff. And my brother told me after he, I think he got a flat tire or a ticket or something. He said, I'm going to write a book. It's called, it's all the same to him. Well, at least you're getting some credit. Make sure that you get some residual money off that. So let's get into the details of the book. Let's talk about some of the chapters, some of the aspects. We don't want to give it all away, of course, but what are some of the things that you like to tease out or talk to readers about? Some of the important

salient points of why they should order it and what's inside? Sure. Even before we jump in, I like to speak about the title because I think the title holds, it's all in a name in that regard. And it's all the same to me sounds boring to a lot of people many people have heard that it's all the same to me sounds like the type of life that i don't want to live so thank you have a nice day but i think the way that we see it is nothing in this world is the same no two moments are the same no two people are the same no there are no two of anything that are exactly the same we actually live in a world that's completely different we live in a world that's totally separate and totally bifurcated. And what do we do to get rapport with somebody? You get

into a room and you say, hi, Chris, where are you from? And I immediately try to find where we're the same. We're looking for commonality and connection with people that we meet. And when we go to places, we're looking for things that are familiar, right? So when you walk into a hotel, you're looking around and you feel good based on how familiar that place looks to you. So we're looking for sameness, right? That's like the underlying principle of our lives is we feel good when things are familiar. We feel good when things are the same. But the truth is nothing is on the surface.

And the essence of the book is to really point to two ideas, which is number one, underneath everything, we really are the same, right? The world, you know, came from the same place. We're going in the same direction. We're all part of the same ecosystem.

We're all living on the same planet. And we're all made of the same energy. That which creates me is that which creates you, is that which animates all the things in this reality. when we connect to that. So we can start to look beyond differences. In terms of practical application, this has to do with how we look at equality in the world. or lack of gender equality or in all the areas of life where things have tipped like this throughout history, we want to recognize that a lot of those things that were man-made, in fact, I would say all of them more or less were man-made, the constructs of the mind that we can say that were different and then one is better or worse, right?

Because of that, when really there's so much commonality, there's so much sameness that's there, that's not to take away from individuality because there's, everyone's an individual. Like we said, at the end of the day, we're all separate in that sense, but we're looking for connection and we're looking to see that we're all part of something bigger. So sameness is a good thing, right? Familiarity and connection is a good thing. And when you recognize that it's all the same, right? We're all doing this together at the same time. And I like to think about this a lot, Chris, in a hundred years, what are people going to think about this moment right now? Probably not much. You're probably going to think we're all idiots, especially those people. Right. Like we make such big deals out of most things that are mundane that in a hundred years

from now, it's going to matter at all. So it's really, there's so much opportunity to focus on big picture and just forget the small stuff and recognize that what's truly important is the way that we're looking at each other, at ourselves and the connections and relationships we make. This is really important too, because my values really change with this. And I've been talking to a lot of my friends and I think at the tail end of this, we're going through a bit of retrospection. We're going back and go, where have we been the last two years? What have we learned? And what's happening going forward?

I've been trying to almost replan my life again as I reenter normalcy or some version of normalcy and really try and learn the values of the moment that I just spent the last year and a half with a lot of other people suffering through this thing, not knowing if I would survive it, not knowing if I get coronavirus. The variables were definitely random. I didn't know if I would get it, if it would be something that would kill me or put me in a hospital. I didn't know if my family would disappear on me. It really centered my values where I used to be running around the world chasing things like, I need a new car and I need a new this and I need to buy that. And then all of a sudden it was like, wait, the people in your life can be the ones taken from you and all that other stuff really isn't going to matter that much in the end if you don't have the people left around you. And so it really recentered my values. I think a lot of people, and it really, I've thought about what's going on because I'm trying to focus on that moment and make sure that this bullshit I

went through in a year and a half hasn't been wasted because that would be the biggest tragedy I think of this moment what we've gone through in the last year and a half if we do not learn the lesson what do you think about that I couldn't agree more that's so much for me like I said in the beginning this is really the impetus for me writing the book to begin with I just felt like there was so much that I was going through in terms of trying to like the language that you used wanting to be centered and grounded even more deeply in myself in my relationships and the way that I experienced life and all of a sudden you're getting waves of anxiety and you're getting waves of depression because you're locked in your house for weeks and weeks at a time and

you're getting waves of restlessness and then when you're locked in the same place with the same people for a very long time, so then you got to make sure that your relationships are staying healthy and safe and holy and make sure that the way that you're relating to people. So all those things were happening at the same time. It was like a crucible for your emotions to become more rarefied and clear of what is really important in your life. What are those things that are going to mean more to you when you clear of what is really important in your life. What are those things that are going to mean more to you when you come out of this on the other side? And exactly like you said, and I think we're all feeling that now in a lot of ways.

And if you're in any country and you're listening to this and you're just coming out of it on some level, okay, so now I want to reintegrate in the world. What am I taking with me? Yeah, I'm right there with you. I like the way you described that. What am I taking with me? Yeah. Yeah. Let there with you. I like the way you described that. What am I taking with me? Yeah. Yeah.

Let me ask you this. What tools and stuff are in the book that we can utilize to help focus on these different items? And you talk a little bit about ego, too, in the book, to my understanding. That's right. The way that I understand it, right, in Hatsidut. So ego, it's called yeshut, which means isness, the part of you that wants to stand out, that wants to be a winner, that wants to be the best, that wants to compete, and therefore is constantly comparing and judging and assessing all the different things in the world to make sure that you can exist, that you can stand out. But the root of that, the root of the part of ourselves that like, wants to be different, that overly wants to be individualized, which is the source of separateness. Part of you that wants to be

different is actually the same part of you that says, I must be different. Therefore, we're not the same. And the moment that I look at you and say, Oh, we're equal. So I've on some level lost my individuality, if I say that there's sameness over here, so then maybe I run the risk of not having respect. Maybe I'll lose respect there. Maybe I'm going to lose clout. Maybe I'm going to lose power. Maybe I'm going to lose an opportunity. And there's fear. There's so much fear that drives what we do. And one of the major motivations over here is going to be, how do we change our mode of being from fear motivation to more kind of like loving, enthusiastic inspiration, right? We want to be motivated to, not from, right? We want to be inspired to go somewhere instead of being afraid.

And therefore, that's why I do all the things in my life. So this ego is really at the center of the book. And I think it's at the center of all practice. Any spiritual practice you go to doesn't matter where it's from. You're going to see it right there as the centerfold, because that's really what we're dealing with. We're dealing with, am I going to let the bad part of myself get the best of me in my relationships and in my, in my work life and in the way that I relate to my kids, like in, in, in every aspect. And it's just becoming aware. You asked in terms of the book, if we're talking about tools, chapter seven, there's an entire

chapter that just starts going through tool to tool that you can apply in your day-to-day life to try to bring these ideas into reality, where it's not just a thought in your head. And the name of the chapter is awareness is the key. And that's really the beginning of all spiritual practice. And if you ask me that, and probably ask any CEO or any major athlete or any successful actor, any person who's great in their field, awareness is the key of all things, which is, are you aware of your body right now? Are you aware of your emotional state right now? Are you aware of what's taking place in your mind right now? Are you aware of the things that are in your environment right now?

All those little things. That's the beginning of growth, the beginning of change, and the beginning of greatness is, are you awake? Because most of us are sleeping. We're usually sleeping as we go through life. Yeah, that was one of the things I learned about being present and being aware of what was going on because there was a point in my life several years ago where I was just so much in my head and there was so much madness going on. My dogs would come in to me and spend time with me and I would be petting them. And I'd just be like, I'm not here. I'm not even capturing this moment and I'm not present. And so I had to go through that whole ego of being present sort of a thing to try and

figure out what was going on with me and how to get that stuff moved to the background so that I could be in a present state. What did you do for that? What was your practice when you got there? Uh, basically I, someone referred to me the book by Eckhart Tolle, The Power of Now. And so I sat down and read it and I realized what was going on with me and just had to do the battle to get to presence and get centered. And that madness that goes on your head, that constant, whether you're braiding yourself or whether you're

focused on 50 million things, my dog's life, which are my kids were basically going by me. And I recently lost a dog and realized there was, I'm sorry, it was about three years ago I'd lost my dog and I'd realized that in her last few months and stuff, we're going through a hard time with hospice care, but I'd been wrapped up in a lot of different other things and I was probably dealing with it then that way, but I didn't really spend enough as much time as I wanted to in her last few months to spend more time with her or at least to be present if you will it's a good lesson learned in life yeah no it's really it's the forefront it's really the everything else is secondary to whether you're here.

If you're here, if you're present, then now we have a conversation. All the other things are so secondary because you can go through life and then you wake up like you said, where was I? Hopefully, you took some pictures on your phone along the way so you can remember. Yeah, we did lots of pictures and videos, fortunately. Yeah. But it was a hard time. And there was only so much time I could spend with her she spent a lot of time sleeping and going off but yeah getting present to where you know like that was my problem my dogs would come in and i'd be working and and

they'd want love and attention or come play dad and i'd be sitting there petting them and i'd be like looking at them and i'd be like i'm just just not here. Like, I'm not feeling this moment. I'm not really understanding them. I'm just lost in this world of fog that's in my head. And so I had to really start focusing on, I need to be here. Like I need to be in this moment. And I think a lot of people maybe get, they go on autopilot sometimes, especially you get older in life. It's so easy to do autopilot and you go that's right it's funny but you catching that in that moment if you're using the petting your dog as the example and and you notice that you're not here that's already you're you're 50 in that moment even just noticing that means you're there now you just want to be more that you just want to be present with your dog as opposed to with your mind in that moment but that's that is the key that's the beginning because now you can shift your focus and say okay wait a second i can turn the phone off

or i can turn the computer off or i can at least walk away from it for the next 15 minutes and spend the time with the people that i want to spend with and then go back as opposed to trying as soon as we try to multitask which we live in a generation which is constantly more meaning i don't know if we know how to do anything other than multitask yeah that's a whole life you know you might your phone is off the hook all the time yeah were you saying something to me i was busy texting while you said that i'm just kidding so what are some other aspects of the book that we haven't covered yeah i think maybe one of the big ones is i try to i bring in the concept of a higher power so whether or not you relate to that as god or the universe or just a higher power or spirit or i'm

really i'm a big proponent of and we'll use you brought up beccartoli i like the way that he doesn't use the word god in his book directly where he relates to it as being but he also explains himself very clearly in the beginning, which is, I don't want to use language that's going to turn you away from the experience of that, which I can give you, but I really want to give that to you. He actually, he came to speak here in Israel a couple of years ago and I went to go see him and it was phenomenal. He gave a beautiful talk for two hours. And at the very end, he like said, just I'm talking about God. Like at the very end went into the mic.

And he's really funny, but he was great. And when I think about the essence of the book, call it what you want. That's the essence of the book. That we come from the same place. We're animated in the same spirit. And we're moving towards an intentional vision of reality. And we have a part in that. We all play a role in that. And that things are happening in such a sublime, divine, perfect way that even in the darkest dark of night in one's life, that's part of it. That's part of the good that can happen.

It's part of the good that can be expressed. And even if it means that there should be tragedy, we're going through a major tragedy here in Israel right now. And I have a dear friend who lost his 13 year old son last week in this thing. And it's horrific, devastating, absolutely devastating. And the whole community feels it and you walk into the room where this person is sitting in mourning and all he's doing all day the father and there's two brothers there also and actually the mom and a few sisters there's i think there's seven of them it's crazy very very sad anyway you get in, you sit there. The only conversation the whole time is either speaking about how beautiful and wonderful their son is and how we have to take strength from this. We have to grow from this.

We have to look for the good, make changes in our lives, recognize that there is a divine plan. There's more to life than we can see. There's more. The coincidence, there's no such thing as coincidences, right? That two people get on the phone together two people meet in a cafe you get stuck at a red light and something happens to you that there are no accidents in this universe and the question's not you can't always focus on why they happen but you can focus on what now we don't always yeah you don't always get the reasons but you always have the opportunity to connect to be present and then take a step forward and

grow because of that so i think that's maybe if we're looking all the way in, like the biggest vision of what the book is helping with is how do you tap into that? How do you live with that more presently in your life? Because once you have that, the fear which drives everything else is gone. Because what if you knew that a lot of people ask me, people come to me a lot, ask me, I'm trying to work out my purpose. What's my purpose in this world? What's my purpose in life?

And what if I told you your purpose is what you're doing right now? It's to be on podcasts. It's to be on the Chris Voss show. Exactly. That should be everyone's purpose. Well, it's my purpose in life this moment, for sure. Yeah. I'm glad you're fulfilling your purpose

i'm glad we can help you that's what we do here on the chris fosh show we fulfill people's purpose in fact i think that's the new advertising tagline we're using and we're gonna add it to apple right we fulfill your purpose yeah maybe i should sell it to my audience and be like do you want to fulfill your purpose subscribe now to the chris f show that, or I don't know, they're going to be fulfilling their purpose on this show or listening to it. I don't know. I'm just kidding. My audience gets me. This has been pretty insightful, man.

And it's probably the perfect book for the perfect time, given what's gone on with this moment where we're starting to move out of coronavirus and we're like, Hey man, we can go outside again. Yeah. It's nice to be outside. I gotta be honest with you. It's been so good to be on the other side of this to some degree, like here where we are like 80% of the country is vaccinated.

Oh really? You guys are doing better than us. I think we had 13, 13 cases in the country on Sunday and 60 cases in the country yesterday. So it's been good. It works. Yeah. That's awesome we're still doing good in fact we're having some herd immunity problems where we got some of the herd that's

just wandering about you know but there's those people if you guys want them we'll ship them to you but anyway no this is really great so as we go out any last things you want to say about the book yeah i know i you know i think Any last things you want to say about the book? I don't know. I think for me, the purpose of writing this book was to try to help people understand themselves a little bit better, to understand life a little bit better. But more than that, to actually feel their life being guided by grace, to be living life in a way that they feel that I can be happy or at least at peace and feel love and joy in any moment of my life, that's possible. And the feedback that I've received is that people feel that as they go through it and as they come out of it. So hopefully more people will be able to get that from it when they do read it. That's awesome, man. That's awesome. Give us your

plugs where people can look you up on the interwebs in order of the book. So yeah, you can definitely get it on Amazon and Barnes & Noble. And you can find me and everything else I'm doing on social media feeds, youtube.com slash Moshe Gersh. Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, LinkedIn, all at Moshe Gersh. And you can check us out at www.moshegersh.com. There you guys go. Check out the book, guys. It's been wonderful spending time with you today. Thank you for taking the time for us all the way from the other side of the world there and enlightening us with this beautiful information.

Yeah, my pleasure. Thank you, Chris. Thank you. So order up the book, guys. You can get it on Amazon or booksellers. It's all the same to me, a Torah guide to inner peace and love of life. This is an important thing to do. And like I said earlier, the worst thing we can do is go through all that we just went through last year and a half, not learn anything of it, maybe not realign our values and realign our life and what we're coming to here and redesigning our life, if you will.

I've definitely taken those moments. Thanks, Manish, for tuning in. Go to Facebook, LinkedIn, Instagram, all the different groups that we have out there. Also go to, what is it, goodreads.com, Fortuna's Chris Foss. You can go to youtube.com, Fortuna's Chris Foss. See all the wonderful things we're doing. Make sure you subscribe to the show. Tell your friends to subscribe to the show because this is how we complete people. So there you go. Thanks for tuning in, guys. We'll see you guys next time.