The Chris Voss Show - The Chris Voss Show Podcast – Jon Pethke, CEO and Co-Founder of CoyAmore, The Dating App for Introverts

Episode Date: October 8, 2023

Jon Pethke, CEO and Co-Founder of CoyAmore, The Dating App for Introverts Coyamore.com Here are some key points from the podcast transcript: Guest John Pethke is the founder of CoyAmore, a new dating app designed for introverts. Many existing apps can be overwhelming for introverts with constant notifications/messages. CoyAmore aims to provide a calmer experience. The app has a unique matching algorithm based on users' ranked love languages to find good compatibility. One novel feature for introverts is a toggle for indicating interest in a date without having to directly ask the person. As a first-time entrepreneur, Pethke has learned business is a rollercoaster - do thorough research and have patience. Marketing is very hard for dating apps - connecting with communities and gaining word-of-mouth are crucial. Dating app challenges include fake profiles, excessive filtering in photos, people seeking attention not relationships. New solutions could help. Direct human interaction is fading from society with technology/busyness; shared activities like meals build bonds. CoyAmore aims to help introverts date in a less overwhelming way. Thoughtful matching and features catered to them aim to provide a calmer experience. In summary, CoyAmore is a dating app experiment seeking to solve common problems for introverts through smart design. Its founder hopes to facilitate more real dating and human connection.

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You know, you're like, hey, this blender doesn't work right. I know how to make a better blender than this stupid blender or widget, whatever it is. And therefore, you go forth and you do it. And then other people are like, yeah, that's really cool. I want to do that too. So we have a wonderful gentleman on the show. John Pethke is on the show with us today. He is the CEO of Intro Woo LLC and co-founder of Koi Amore, the dating app for introverts.

And as you can guess, he may be an introvert. Maybe all of us are when it really comes down to it. And he's discovered a new way to kind of get everybody together and get their introverted ways to get together and start breeding and making families and all that good stuff and happiness and I don't know, whatever the hell else goes on. We're going to find out. John is a U.S. Air Force veteran out of Appleton, Wisconsin. He got his bachelor's degree from University of Wisconsin-Green Bay in organizational leadership

and is currently working on his master's from the University of Wisconsin, Oshkosh. Oshkosh? Oshkosh? Oshkosh? In sustainable management. He has worked as an internal auditor for the American Family Insurance Oshkosh, Oshkosh, Oshkosh, Oshkosh, Insustainable Management. He has worked as an internal auditor for the American Family Insurance and works part-time as instructor for Fox Valley Technical College, teaching veterans about small business development. Oh, I love that. We talked about that on the show.

We need more of that. We need veterans to be taught how to run their own companies, do their stuff, because our military, man man they are taught the greatest skills of leadership and they and they're entrusted with billion dollars in machines i don't know why people don't hire more and put them in leadership um at the beginning of 2022 he started inter intro woo llc and partnered with code glow technologies and they developed koi Amore, the dating app for introverts. Welcome to the show, John. How are you? I'm great. Thanks for having me, Chris. I'm excited to be here. And we're excited to have you as well. So give us your dot coms. Where do you

want people to find you on the interwebs? Yeah, you know, the website is Koi Amore.com. We're on all forms of social media, TikTok, Facebook, Instagram, LinkedIn, X, formerly known as Twitter. So, yeah, any of those are good spots. There you go. And they can download the app on Google Play and Play Store? Yes. I'm going to download it right now. So tell us a little bit, a 30,000 overview of what Koi Amore is and about. Yeah.

So Koi Amore, obviously you said the dating app for introverts. You know, last year I was talking with some colleagues and we were talking about dating and dating apps. And I had said, you know, I wish there was a dating app for people like me who are more introverted. And he said, Well, why don't you make it? And I was like, well, that's a nice idea. But I don't know anything about business. So I went ahead and looked into it. And, you know, there's a lot of platforms out there and a lot of great ones, but nothing that really directly caters to introverts. So I did a bunch of research and kind of went forward with it um so koi mori dating app for introverts um basically we we want to be like bumble in the sense that they focus on uh like helping women out and dating so we want about specifically introverts

there you go now uh the byline on it it's designed not to overwhelm its users. So does that mean you're not going to get 1,500 messages? When we get a lot of users, that could potentially happen, but not super likely. Yeah, well, you can pace yourself if you're an introvert. You don't have to answer all of it once, right? 100%, yeah. You've got a unique match algorithm. Tell us

what that is. Yeah, so something that I found with what people value in dating is the five universal love languages. So we incorporated that into how people match. When you sign up and create your profile you get

to order your love languages and you know your preferred order and how you want to be loved um and you get to do that and then uh you know we pair people based on who's most compatible with each other's love languages oh now. Now, my love languages are tacos, pizza, beer. Language. Is that going to be compatible with the app? I mean, you can definitely, you know, throw that out there. It'll, you know, I'm sure.

If I can find a woman whose love language is tacos and pizza, it will be simpatico. I think there's a lot out there for you. Yeah, I probably should be okay. Maybe I don't know. So, so this basically solved a issue that you maybe had. I mean, like, I'm a single person myself, but I'm more focused on work right now. But I think a lot of people would appreciate it. I've talked to a lot of people, and people who are in relationships were like, if there was a dating app that I'd use, that would be the one I would have used when I was single. And then, you know, additionally, apart from that, um, for like feedback we've gotten online, uh, a lot of people love the idea. So there you go. Well, there does need to be a change in this space. This, the dating space is awful,

especially for men, for women. It's great. They have all sorts of, you know, they get 50,000 messages. But for men, it's really bad. And, you know, almost no men get seen, especially if you're under six foot tall. You know, I'm lucky I'm 6'2". I didn't know I won the birth lottery. But, you know, these women are running around nowadays and they want the three sixes. And so they want men that are six foot tall. I was watching a dating app, uh, or dating coach recently. And she's like, all the women, they asked me for six foot tall guys.

And it's like, do you understand that maybe 5% of them are single and available in the marketplace? Uh, it's, it's, there's a very, there's not a lot of tall guys in the thing. And, uh, and she's kind of stunned by how many people are like, hey, you want a tall guy? And it's like, good luck with that. So, I mean, according to my stats in the U.S. Census, I'm in the top 0.15% of men when it comes to earning income and height.

And, of course, ridiculously good looking. So there's that. But they don't realize how tight it is. But some needs to be done because it's so hard. My understanding with the height thing is if you're not 6 foot, well, I think it's 5 11 and above women just cut you right out of the um out of the uh their search mechanisms so you're invisible you go right invisible that point you could have 10 million dollars in your pocket and you know five boats in miami dock and

uh i don't know a whole a whole garage full of, you know, Porsches and Lamborghinis. And, you know, if you're 5'8", you're screwed, man. No one's going to see any of that. It's true. So there's a lot of other things that need to change the algorithm. I mean, it seems like, you know, like my local Tinder, I don't know how Tinder is elsewhere, but my local Tinder in Utah is all fake profiles. It's just all fake profiles. It's those same profiles that you're getting on Facebook where it's the Asian women.

Hi, how's it going? And they're not women. It's some proper guy in Nigeria who's running them. But it's all that that's in there. And you can kind of tell now so uh what are some things that you guys do to really separate yourself from the other competitors in the market yeah well i can't fix the tall issue while i appreciate ambition and not settling uh they're taking dream big literally so you know but uh um you know there's a couple things obviously the match algorithm um that's

not going to fix uh you know fake profiles that's that's always going to be kind of a issue unless um uh background checks are incorporated which a lot of people would probably not appreciate also for the sake of privacy so yeah i really? Yeah. I think, I mean, I'm sure I've heard that Match is going to incorporate it, but I don't know where they are with that. I think they live on too many fake profiles. I see it everywhere on all the big dating apps. It's really bad. It's the worst on Tinder.

I don't pay for Match. They're all owned by the same company, is interesting too and it's it's in their benefit also like i don't um i don't know that they want to get rid of it very strongly because it it allows them to say we have this many users or whatever um yeah so but apart from that um you know one one being we promote like the community, you know, like we are identifying ourselves as the dating app for introverts. So we want to take that and run with it. We we have one specific dating app feature that's directly catered to introverts. When the initial development started, you know, we wanted to add in, you know, the basics that you would get out of any other app and run it just like another app just because

if it's not broken, don't fix it. So when people get on, it's very familiar to them. But so we are only able to incorporate one new feature for that and that is the blind date feature so when home there's match they will you know start talking presumably and there's a toggle option so when you're ready or when you feel like you want to go on a date with this person you can toggle that on and it'll let the app know it won't let the other person know,

but when they also toggle it on, then the app will let them both know that they're ready to go on a date with each other. Oh, wow. It takes kind of the fear of asking somebody out and rejection away. So, so now does it only turn on for that person or does it let everyone know that

you're interested in going out with? No, I don't think between the two. All right. So between the two. Yeah. I mean, if you're a guy,

you got to close that business, man, you got to close. That's just, that's just the way it is. But I mean, I suppose if you're really introverted, you know,

that's the way it is. But, uh, you know, rejection is just a thing when you deal with, uh, dating women, they,

they, they, uh, own the assets there. And, uh, rejection is just a thing when you deal with dating women. They own the assets there. And what is it? Women control sex and men control marriage and relationships or access to marriage. And so as a man, you know, you just got to close. But I can imagine there's people that are really introverted that have trouble and they fear rejection. And oh, no, what if I get shot down what if i uh shoot my shot and miss and uh yeah i mean you're gonna you know i've told my young uh uh nieces and and nephews i'm like hey you know you're gonna go

through i mean i probably i don't know i don't get rejected a lot, but, and I'm very picky, but, uh, but I, uh, I tend to be the one who rejects all the time. Um, but, uh, I mean, I may be rejected, I don't know, a hundred times in my lifetime. I mean, I've triple dated since the nineties when I power dated and I've dated all my life in 35 years. Uh, but you know, every now and then a girl's going to say no, or she's going to ghost you or do whatever. There's a lot of people now that really think ghosting is new. It's not. I've been dating since I was 16, 17. I feel like you're using a word for it now. Yeah, I mean, women are just, you know, they don't want to hurt your feelings. They don't want to, you know, they're not confrontational like men are. They're not aggressive, usually. I've met a few

that are. But, you know, they don't want to hurt your feelings. And so they're going to ghost you and sidestep you. And it's a quiet way of saying, hey, I'm not interested. Hey, it's cool. Great. Move on. Next. But you're going to get lots of that. But I can see how some people, especially introverts, might really have a challenge with that and then um do you uh so you think the coolest feature on your app is that is that uh blind date thing yeah i'd say it's the most unique thing and the thing directly catered to introverts you know i have plans to add in more it was just you know for the budgetary factor i could only add so much in the first phase of development.

And then, so what was your journey like in building the app? This is technically your first business that you created as an entrepreneur? Yep. Yeah, it was, I mean, it's... You really jumped into the, with both feet. Yeah, yep, I sure did. It's been a rollercoaster. Like I said, i didn't know

anything about business and or not much at least and uh uh one of the hardest parts was actually finding like a developer um there's like so many options out there um and all are good uh supposedly yeah yeah and uh yeah so that that took a while i interviewed a lot of companies and And all are good. Supposedly, yeah. And yeah, so that took a while. I interviewed a lot of companies and I landed on one that was local that I liked. And we partnered together and I still work with them regularly. So they've been helpful. And then, you know, right now I'd say like the toughest part, honestly, is just marketing. I that's that's that's typically like a tough spot for a lot of people, from what I understand.

And it's like the main focus of a or at least main expense of like a dating app business. So, you know, I'm exploring a lot of different options between, you know, like podcasts and general marketing, things that are affordable. I'm still going through a lot of interview phases with, you know, different marketing companies to try and see if there's one that stands out for me. So, yeah. Press releases and all that sort of good stuff. Yeah. And then you've got unlimited likes and retracts, so you can retract stuff. Looks like you've got some paid different things that people can do.

Reveal all profiles that sent you a like. Advanced filters for profile preferences. I always pay for the reveal all profiles that like you, and I never get any results. Is it me or is it the app? I'm just kidding. That's probably true, actually. You didn't have to laugh at that, John.

Yeah, I could see why he doesn't get any results. Now, it's probably the beard either it's my bad behavior or something uh or you know just awful and i don't i think what it is is i'm just too freaking hot like women look at me and they go oh my god he looks like a version between uh brad pitt and george clooney and oh man he's just so hot all the girls I'm gonna have to compete with for him so I'm not I'm just not even gonna go for him I think that's my problem that makes sense why you're rejecting everyone yeah that is actually that is I don't know women that are older than me love me uh it seems that seems to be a popular thing. I'm at 55, so I think women that are slightly above me, they have two choices.

They can date down to someone like me who's still, I don't know, upright, or they can date guys that are, I don't know, playing shuffleboard and wearing diapers. I don't know. I'm giving you guys shit. I'm sorry, folks out there. Everyone who's older than me is like, fuck you, Chris. I don't know why. I don't know why, but it just works. And then you try, I date down, so I'm just

like, this isn't going to work for me. But God bless people that reach out to me. So we need a new dating app. Any way that you can make this better, if you've read and heard a lot of the problems that young men, especially young men who they usually date a lot and and uh are having at meeting people it's really hard for them and i was lucky i i grew up where you had to do cold what they call cold approach you know you'd have to go up and meet a girl and get her phone number usually at the club or out in public uh and i can still do it it's not that hard you know and the hardest part is just figuring out if they're single

because obviously i don't go to clubs anymore when you go to club you can pretty much assume everyone's single there um but you know it's hard a little hard in the store especially if the kids in there you know and you're like well she doesn't have a ring on but uh i gotta navigate the kids and then i also gotta find out she's single for all i know she's married her husband's gonna turn the corner on me but uh i can still do it if i need to it's not that big of a deal and i have no problem asking for a phone number and i'm pretty slick with it i've done it a lot of times but a lot of younger generation don't have those sort of skills you know all they know is dating apps it's true i've done it plenty of times it usually doesn't work but i think you know my generation

isn't as comfortable with it anymore so yeah it's it's and it's it's a lot of it is how you come across there's confidence and and there's a whole there's a whole moxie to it um and you know i've i've had i've gotten phone numbers out of girlfriends that have their boyfriends somewhere in the club and and uh maybe sometimes they aren't married and stuff and you know if you're just confident as hell but you know introverts are going to struggle with that sort of thing you know um they're not going to be able to come across like a real slick and confident. So it's good that they have a service like yours. What are some advice you give to people who are trying to start their own company and go down the journey you are?

I mean, you've kind of gotten into the tech space, which is even a little bit more challenging and technical. Are you a tech nerd where you know all this stuff about creating? No, Definitely not. I have like zero tech experience. I've learned a lot, but not enough to be, you know, beneficial in the tech industry, really. But yeah, you know, starting a business, I said it earlier, it's a roller coaster. So of like excitement and disappointment and figuring things out. Two things that I would say is like, do your research on everything. Like don't be

lazy on the research aspect of things. And also have patience. It's, it's, it's very difficult to have patience with a lot of things. Right. So like, I was a big part of like, um, I had a like mental image for what I wanted the app to be and look like. And I was very much a part of like how the design went. But like, once we, we figured all of that out and we made our mock-ups,

like it was like development phase for like half a year. And I was just like waiting. And like, there's nothing that they can like give me any small updates, but it's like development phase for like half a year and i was just like waiting and like there's nothing that they can like give me small updates but it's like i can't really help in that capacity all i can do is like start looking towards the future which is weird to navigate so um you know for those situations which is unique but in any business there's going to be a, you know, unexpectedness. No one's like perfect at it. So it's having patience in all things. It's kind of like one of those, I liken it sometimes to that,

what was the field of dreams when you build it and they will come, they're not always guaranteed to come, but sometimes you got to build it to see if they're going to show up. Yeah. That's how I reference this app actually regularly is like when people ask about it, I'm like, well, if you build it, they will come. Now I just got to figure out how to let everybody know it's there. There you go. But they got to see it. It's got to be set up, and it looks like it's pretty well set up from what I've seen.

I got to load in up and it looks like it's a pretty well set up from what i've seen i gotta load in my pictures looks like um the uh uh but that's that's the main thing and then people see the results but you know there's almost nothing going on in these dating apps anymore uh it's just i i well for guys the women are getting you know i know i remember years ago this is in the 90s i think it was when Match was first coming up. And Match was one of those early dating app things that had hit. And I remember going out with a gal and I learned that in order to get notice and dates, I had to watch for the new people that were joining the app. And you know, back then it was small and it wasn't like it was now. And so you would see the fresh faces and you'd be like, hey, you know, talk to her.

And so you'd have to, you know, ask them out. Otherwise, they'd just get a bunch of messages. And so I remember taking one girl out, and we had a great time. And I think we got to second base or something. And, I mean, we just, we had a great time. And I thought she was really into me. And so I wrote her, I don't know why I didn't have her phone or her back. Well, back, this is before everyone's like all cell phony.

And, uh, so I wrote her on, on match and said, Hey, do you want to go out again? You know, for a second date, I never heard back from her. So I said, okay, you know, I don't know what i said on the first date but you know i probably said something stupid which is probably you know what i do and uh you know she didn't like it or maybe she rethought it and that's cool so i didn't hear back from her so i i walked away from it and uh it was funny like six months later i got a message from her and she goes hey i just found your message and i was like what and she goes yeah now we're assuming she didn't blow off my message because she wanted to play in the pool that had been sent to her but what stuck out at me was she goes yeah

after we went out i started you know i just the app. I was getting 400 messages a day for months. And, you know, whether or not she purposely, you know, goes to me just because she wanted to see what was in the field. And maybe she was new off a relationship. I don't know what the hell. But even then, I was like, 400 a day, 400 messages a day. It's complete what you would call option overload. Yeah, yeah, it 100% is. And I think we wouldn't allow for people to message ahead of time in general.

They have to be a match. So it's like Bumble? Yeah, but I still think there is an option overload thing.'s just like with the there's more users now on dating apps so they're going to get a lot of you know people like them um so yeah and there's some guys they just like everybody uh i'm not one of those guys i'm a little bit more particular and i've done photoshop so I can see all the Photoshop photos. And I've had enough of those bad dates where you show up and she looks, and you realize that she's put in her high school graduation pictures.

And she looks nothing like that now, 20 years later. Like a completely different person. You're like, ah, who are you? I've been catfished again. Turn it. Yeah, anti-catfishing stuff. That's a suggestion I'd make. If you can come up with ways to anti-catfish somehow, I don't know how you do it.

Yeah. But if you can innovate something like that, that would be great. The other biggest problem that I see in dating apps now is the filter program. I mean, they can do filtering on these photos now. If you've seen some of the tick tock filtering oh yeah where I can look like a Victoria's Secret model yeah even with this beard the filter will turn me into Victoria's Secret model probably I don't know I didn't test it but it's just extraordinary and uh I've gotten pretty good at seeing the neckline usually gives it away

you'll see like a variation when they move and then the neckline and stuff there'll be breakups in in and how it is in the neck but i'm sure that's just going to get better but the catfishing and stuff and then one of the other things that if you i'm just giving you some spitball and some uh innovation ideas for you one of the other problems is separating the people who really want to date and the people who just want attention and validation yeah because when i talk to my single friends one of their biggest problems is there's so many people they're interested in that they think are there to date and the women just want attention and validation you know they don't want to date they're sometimes in a relationship they're whatever, or they're in a situation where they probably know they can't really bring in a man. Maybe they're a single mother with a bunch of kids and I don't know,

whatever their situationship is and stuff. Like I'd really like to see situationships end because they're not even real relationships. But if you figure out a square that dime, you know, people who really want to go out, because there's nothing worse when you like somebody and they talk to you. And I don't waste a lot of time talking to people. I'm a go-out person. Yeah. If I want to talk to you, I want to talk to you on a date.

Maybe introverts a little bit differently. But I'm not going to spend 50 hours texting back and forth to have you catfish me. And you show up and I find out you look nothing like your photos and, I'm just not going to do it. Some guys will do it. A lot of guys do it evidently, but I won't. And plus I'm a dater.

If I'm interested in somebody, I want to go on a human date with them and go, um, I don't want to sit there and, you know, I'm old. I don't want to sit there. I can't pretend someone is a,

some strangers long way to friend is to put it in rush terms. What are some other aspects of the app we haven't talked about? One thing is, it's a simple thing, but with apps, you typically, how you manage is like swiping or like tapping to connect with someone. One thing that we changed was our logo is like a heart in a thought bubble. When you're scrolling through a profile, at the bottom of the profile,

as you're scrolling, it'll just kind of stay with the screen. There's a heart on the left and a thought bubble on the right. What you have to do is to tap the heart, drag it, and drop it into the thought bubble on the right so what you have to do is to tap the heart drag it and drop it into the yeah so you can't be like these guys that i've seen on the uh tick tocks where they hook up a hot dog to some drill and they've said they're just yeah it won't work that way won't work that way there you go i've seen i've seen people do it too. I mean, I just, the joke is, I've seen people joke about how it almost needs to be a thing.

Like if you look at 400 profiles and you still haven't picked somebody, you don't get any more. Like you just cut off. You're just like, okay, you know what? Because I've seen both women and men and how they play it. And I've seen people that have no business. There's a dating food chain. There's a food hierarchy food chain dating app. 1, 2, 3, 4,

5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10. If you're a 1 on the scale, whether you're a man or a woman, you might be able to go up 1 or 2 on the food chain there. You need to stay within your parameters and that's one of the problems we're having in the dating pool everyone thinks they're freaking tens right now

and uh they call them 409s fours who think they're nines i think you can tell like based off of the photos they put on their profile to whether or not they think they're a 10 yeah and you'll see it you'll read it and i like i'm really i'm like a professional at reading uh profiles yeah yeah and then of course i've learned over the years every whatever it says there is opposite day so when they say i'm really bubbling and really happy it's like oh she's on antidepressants and she uh she gets in a bad mood like every four hours um you know i've learned that game. But no, there's space here, I think,

for someone to innovate for something really different. And I like how you guys match on the love languages, I guess. I didn't fill those out as I was going through the app because I was kind of skipping through it real quick. But I got to go back and do my love languages, which I think are pizza, avocado toast and tacos and i don't know huskies is huskies a love language i have huskies yeah i mean we certainly can figure out how that could be if that's like the primary aspect of your life then i i would say probably so see that's the one thing too that you get prejudiced in dating is you know somebody's got

a dog allergy they don't want to date you. And I would love to date someone who likes Huskies because there's such a pain in the ass. Yeah. You almost have to find someone who lives an insufferable life with Huskies that can understand, you know, what all the hair is about and stuff. So I don't know. Maybe there's a dog matching aspect of things that they can do yeah i think in our advanced filters we have uh that specifically yeah yeah and i couldn't date ever someone who

has cats i mean i could date them i don't know i'd marry them right have to be really they'd have to cook really well uh but yeah the other thing it'd be is like, here's an idea for you. I don't know if you want ideas, but you're getting them. Oh yeah, I always appreciate them. You know what it'd be is there's a big thing in the dating market to what do you bring to the table? You heard that kicked around now? Yeah. There should be like a thing where people really put down like their true skills. Like, can you cook as a guy or girl?

Can you clean as a guy or girl? Can you clean as a guy or girl? Can you, uh, I don't know. What are you good at? You know, another one would be good is, uh, can you tell us how many times you've been to a psychiatrist and give us your number, him near number for, for referrals and references. There should also be a thing where you can pull up references of ex-boyfriends and girlfriends. I think that should be a thing. I think they should be able to call and they should be able to say, if people treated exes and

relationships like jobs, they might behave better. You know what I mean? Because they're like, well, I probably should not be an asshole when I leave this thing because I want a good reference. Yeah, that's true. I could see it going the other way. Yeah, that's true too. I've had a other way yeah yeah that's true too i've had a few girlfriends going i don't want any guy to girl to have you ever um so guy or girl i guess

wow what is that about uh the uh so um you know this is great i i love that you're entering the space and doing it i like you're building a new company. You might end up getting bought out because that one company that owns all of them pretty much just buys them out every time they start them. They bought Bumble, Tinder. Yeah, there's a couple companies that... Oh, are there now? Yeah, Match is obviously the biggest

one I've seen. But I think there's more than one. There's a big company that owns a lot of them. They own like Ashley Madison. They bought them all out as they were going along. And so they kind of, and there's a big kerfuffle with Ashley Madison with the fake profiles. But anything to combat the fake profiles, like I don't know what is in my area on tinder there is just like

two out of three uh posts or fake profiles and you know they are because number one they're way too hot to be living in in utah like they you know they look like international models and you can see like european stuff in the. You're like, you don't live in Utah. Yeah. You look like that. You go to New York or you go to Paris or something and model. And then it's, it's always the Asian girls that you see that friend,

everybody on Facebook that are some guy in Nigeria. Yeah. And, uh, I can always sell too, because the photos will have like, you can tell the photos have been recopied because the pixels are fucked up oh yeah that's what you can always tell because the girl takes her own photos

you know she'll have good pixels and everything looks good but if you notice on the copy pictures where they've downloaded and repost them usually probably hundreds of times they probably a machine that does it yeah um it's pretty crazy but uh now i wish you success on what you're doing any way that we can change the game and get more people out there i know a lot of young men are struggling to date there's been a lot of books and and uh articles written on it uh the incel generation uh we need to bring to an end i really i'm really not excited with what's going on with incels and evidently there are fem cells there are women who are uh just of the same feature of of incels but they're fem cells i have not heard that but i believe it there are yeah yeah there's and they're grouped up which is really weird because like if it's not working for you don't join a group of people who

it's not working for yeah yeah and sit around and complain about it all day long, go figure out how to get it solved. If you're a woman who can't get a date, I don't know what to tell you. There's like 50 million guys hunting for women on dates these days. So there you go. Final thoughts and pitch out as we go out there.

John? Nothing specific specific but yeah no thank you again for having me on here I very much appreciated it and you're very enjoyable to talk with. There you go I'll share it in some of my dating groups you know what you probably should do is pop into

some Facebook dating groups there's an endless supply of them online. I've tried that actually and they're super into like no soliciting they've actually taken me out of them a bunch of times that's right maybe you can find a way to um find a way to pair with them like i've reached out so i have a couple meetup groups for dating um you might want you might try making your own meetup group for the app and meetups kind of a way that

people have been trying to circumvent the dating apps and because meetup is about going out and so i i uh put up a meetup dating group and within like overnight it had a couple hundred people in it um and then yours is like nationwide mine's just local for for the local area but it really showed the desperation of both men and women that are like hey we want to actually go on and meet some people man we don't want to sit around and do all the stupid stuff you know they recognize the problem with that but we'll see uh one one thing to note is right now we have like a mile limiter on the app uh the app oh we're actually in the process of removing that um we'll be done in like the next week or two so that way mind you when you get on

and whoever you do see maybe like across the country but at least you will see people because that was like one thing that we got feedback on is like well you know i joined in florida but i didn't see anyone um it'd be nice to see anyone even if they're not in the area so that's like something we're in the process of updating there you go it's one of those things you just gotta uh you just gotta scale it yeah you know you just gotta get the scaling going on and and if people put enough marketing out there get the pr going what you're doing now so i'm excited to see what you're going to do. I'll keep an eye on it and I'll support on my end and probably for as many people as I can do it because I do like the love language thing. And I do love it where you can't sit and, you know, just pound it all day long.

And, you know, people can swipe 50 trillion times. You know, I know what I like and I don't need to see 50,000 things that I need to swipe. I swipe left probably more than any guy does in the world. But I've been dating for a long time. I know what I'm looking for and what I'm not looking for. I know who's full of shit and who's not sometimes. So there you go. Thank you very much, John, for coming in.

Give us your.com so we can find you on the interims, please. Yeah, that's www.koimori.com. That's C-O-Y-A-M-O-R-E. There you go. Thanks, John, for tuning in. If you know some people that are in the dating market, some singles that are looking for love. And I think you cater to all different variations, right? People that want LGBTQ.

Does it cater to people that are swingers? You know, those married folks? Anyone. I want to help people connect. Extroverts too, right? Extroverts too. I'm on there. They pair well together a lot of times. There you go. Do I have to disclose that I'm an extrovert?

You don't have to. That is something we're going to be adding in the future so that we extroverts can't pair with extroverts. They have enough tools already. Yeah, because I might, you know, if I pair with somebody who's an introvert, they might like me because I'm an extrovert because they're like, hey, let him do all the talking and blabbing

and work and stuff because I'm like that. I can go in an elevator in an airport and I can just start having rows of people laughing and joking and that's kind of my personality if you can't tell. I can see in an elevator in an airport and I can just start having rows of people laughing and joking. And that's kind of my personality, if you can't tell. But, you know, I can see how that would be bothersome to some people. Like, I don't want to hang out with that idiot. He's a loud mouth. And they'd be right.

Thanks so much for tuning in. Go to Goodreads.com, Fortress, Chris Foss, LinkedIn.com, Fortress, Chris Foss. What else is there? This is Chris Foss 1 on Tickety Talky and I'm now on John's app Koi Amore. So if you want to date me, whether you're introvert or extrovert, I do not

discriminate. You can right swipe me or whatever it is on there. You'll have to go figure out his app. Thanks for tuning in. Be good to each other. Stay safe. We'll see you guys next time. No, I like this.