The Chris Voss Show - The Chris Voss Show Podcast – Julie Jones Talks Interior Design and Entrepreneurship and Building a Brand on TikTok

Episode Date: August 24, 2024

Julie Jones Talks Interior Design and Entrepreneurship and Building a Brand on TikTok juliejonesdesigns.com About the Guest(s): Julie Jones is an innovative interior designer and space planning pioneer with over 16 years of experience in the industry. She launched her virtual design business during the COVID-19 pandemic and quickly gained recognition, becoming a trailblazer in modern design utilizing cutting-edge technology. With a robust background in architecture and a keen eye for aesthetics, Julie seamlessly blends functionality with elegance. She is certified by the state of California and has amassed a significant following on social media platforms like TikTok, Instagram, and Facebook, where she shares her expertise and creative vision. Episode Summary: In this engaging episode of The Chris Voss Show, host Chris Voss sits down with Julie Jones, a prominent interior designer who has redefined the landscape of modern design through her virtual design business. Julie shares her entrepreneurial journey of leveraging social media, especially TikTok, to grow her business and provide valuable design services to clients globally. As she discusses her background, Julie highlights the unique approach she takes to virtual design, offering insights and free resources to empower homeowners to create beautiful, functional spaces. Julie dives deep into the specifics of how her business operates, emphasizing the importance of client collaboration in virtual design. She touches on her innovative space planning techniques, the challenges of managing a business in the public eye, and the critical strategies for handling social media criticism. Julie also offers valuable advice for aspiring interior designers and entrepreneurs, stressing the importance of authenticity, resilience, and continual learning. Her narrative is both inspiring and educational, providing listeners with practical insights into the world of virtual interior design. Key Takeaways: Entrepreneurial Journey: Julie Jones shares her path from working under other businesses to launching her own successful virtual design company during the pandemic. Virtual Design Process: Insight into how Julie and her team provide virtual interior design services, including consultations, design plans, and product sourcing. Social Media Growth: Strategies Julie used to build a large social media following on platforms like TikTok and Instagram, which played a crucial role in growing her business. Handling Criticism: Julie discusses the challenges of facing scrutiny and criticism online while remaining authentic and true to her mission. Client Collaboration: The importance of client involvement in the design process, especially in a virtual setting, is to ensure personalized and effective design solutions. Notable Quotes: "I never thought in honestly a million years going and getting your degree in interior design and going in the field. I honestly never thought that this would be a thing I, I didn't even know it would exist, to be honest." "So many people like the space planning content. Not, not the design side because it is the same. All good design starts with space planning." "You really have to have thick skin and don't read the comments. Let other people can read the comments, tell you I have an assistant, you know, who usually scrolls through and, and says, 'Hey, someone's asking this, you might wanna reply,' or 'Would you like me to reply?'" "The right people will find you. The right people will like you and follow you and buy your services. And the wrong people won't." "I've had kitchen installs and bathroom remodels, and I hopefully have seen a lot of problems that you might face." Resources: Julie on TikTok: Julie Jones Designs Julie on Instagram: Julie Jones underscore Designs Julie on Facebook: Julie Jones Designs In this episode, Julie Jones shares her expertise in virtual interior design,

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So follow us over there. As always, we have the most amazing guests on the show. And today we have a very young entrepreneur and interior designer who talks business success and redefining our industry. And she's become quite the trailblazer across social media and everything else that she's been doing. She's an interior designer and space planning pioneer, Julie Jones, who is joining us on the show today.

She is defining the landscape of modern design through cutting edge technology, innovative and personal approaches. Sure, her expertise and creative vision have positioned her at the forefront of the virtual design movement. Since launching her business mid-covid after blowing up on social media and giving free advice to her followers on how to best reimagine a space without the pricey in-person interior designer tag though entire interior designers or something else definitely can make a difference in the quality

of your home because i learned that i have no no eye for it, so you got to hire somebody. She's not your typical interior designer, though. She's got a robust background in architecture and eye for aesthetics. It speaks to her clients and followers as she seamlessly blends functionality with elegance in every project. Welcome to the show. How are you, Julie? Thank you.

I'm good. Thank you so much for having me. Thank you for coming. We really appreciate it. Give us your dot coms. Where do you want people to find you on the interwebs? Yep. Really simple.

Julie Jones designs dot com. My name and then designs with an S on the end dot com. You can get to all my socials through there. Julie Jones designs on TikTok. Julie Jones underscore designs on Instagram. And Julie Jones designs on Facebook. There you go. So give us a 30,000 overview of everything you do there.

We are a virtual design business, as you mentioned, and we're a new business. We're not even two years old yet. So we are a very fast growing business. Now, I will say that I have been an interior designer for 16 years. So it's not that I'm new to interior designer for 16 years. So it's not that I'm new to interior design. I love that you said young, by the way. I'm a young entrepreneur. So I am, I have been in the industry for a while and I was, you know, on site in person in my city for a long time. And thanks to COVID, people are very well, they became more

comfortable going virtual. So I never thought in honestly, a million years going and getting your degree in interior design and going in the field. I honestly never thought that this would be a thing. I didn't even know it would exist, to be honest. So here I am running a business that is all virtual design. So we have a few services that we offer and we streamlined over the last two years to hopefully fit everybody's needs as much as we can do interior design virtual. Because it is still virtual. The client still has to have a part in it. And they come alongside us, basically. And we found that we can help a lot of people, a lot more people than I ever could have in person.

I've helped, honestly, hundreds of clients all over the world, which I would have never been able to touch, I don't think, in my entire career. There you go. And you built a following just on TikTok alone of 543,000 followers. That's pretty amazing. Yeah, something like that. Is that your biggest point or is it Instagram? Yeah, no, TikTok is my OG. That's where I started in 2021. I started posting over there and that kind of steadily grew for a year.

And then only last year i started instagram and facebook and believe it or not facebook comes in second with the second most followers over there oh yeah and then instagram instagram's a tough crawl yeah but honestly it everywhere is good nobody i i don't see any any platform is less than the other they're all really tools that we use for the business there you go that's one way to look at it so you you build your business tell us how you started building your business and did you have entrepreneurial skills before what led you down this road not at all no nope never owned a business before. Like I said, I was an interior designer. I was working for other people's businesses. I was working with a lot of contractors, worked for a design build company for a long time, which is why I was in residential design for so long. It. And I've learned a lot along the way. It has been a very organic creation.

So it started with people just literally messaging me on Instagram because they saw a video on TikTok and said, can you help me with my home? And I was like, let me figure that out. I think I can. And so I just kind of went with what people were asking. I said, what do you want? What help do you want from me? So the services evolved to be what they are now just by simply having feedback for what people want of me and of us now because we have a larger staff now and lots of designers that help people. There you go.

Virtual design services to you. So you can probably help people with design around the world, right? All over the world. Almost a lot of countries. I know there's a lot of countries we haven't helped, but we've helped people in a lot of countries. They love me in Australia. So hello to all my followers in Australia. I've had a lot of Australian clients, Canadian clients. We've helped people from France to Saudi Arabia to, you know, a lot of England, like pretty much honestly anywhere where TikTok is reaching. There you go. That's where we are. You know, it's, I heard a VC say once, best thing to do if you're young is to find something that's a specialty to master a craft and get really good at one part of that craft.

And then go see if you can market it and sell it to other people. And so you spent a lot of years preparing for the opportunity of when TikTok came along, you were like, okay, there you go. I did. I had a lot of years under my belt and I kind of, I say that a lot because I want people to know that I am actually experienced. I have had kitchen installs and bath, you know, guts, and I have been in the

industry. So I can, I've hopefully seen a lot of problems that you might face. Because there's a lot of people who go on Facebook or pretend to be experts, you know, then you find out later they're not when somebody calls them out or something like that. So there you go. I mean, it is part of my credibility. I am a certified interior designer as well, which means that I'm certified by the state of california to call myself an interior designer and you do have to pass and have so many years of schooling and experience and pass their exam that is something also that is part of my credibility and my credentials i just let the california earthquakes design my home falls over i leave it there and i just they're not that bad

that's i've grown up here and really they just rattle the walls a little bit i grew up in california i mean after a while they're not that bad because you're just like you're just oh that's just a five yeah you're just like oh i think that was an earthquake oh that feels good i needed to move a little bit i think i just burned some calories the but yeah there's i, I mean, some of the ones down there. I mean, I was three years old when the 7.1 or 7. Okay. Whatever it was, came through LA in 1970. Yeah, definitely wasn't born. So I guess I am young.

Yeah. So that was a rock and roll. That was my first earthquake. I remember that one. It's one of my first earliest memories. But there you go. You know, so I see a lot of how to design different stuff on your tiktoks and all these updates people making cottages white and green kitchens farmhouse

makeovers are you looking are you reading my tiktok yeah i'm just kind of looking i'm scrolling down the whole thing to give people some enticement to go over there and yeah so i'll tell you a little bit of enticement is some people they can't afford interior design services so i try to make a lot of free helpful content so you might see a room on there that looks a lot like yours or you might see me space plan a living room or a bedroom that's a lot like yours and you're struggling with the same issues because we all live inside and we all have living rooms and bedrooms hopefully we do anyway wait what's this inside thing you're talking about people living inside

most people yeah most people live under a roof with walls so i got a viaduct over me i mean that counts doesn't it whether we want to or not hopefully most of the country lives under a roof and needs help with that. And there's a lot of challenges. There's a lot of similar challenges that people face. They have this weird fireplace that they're like, I don't know how to arrange furniture because it's corner fireplace. I have a lot of corner fireplace videos on there that might help you. So some people, a lot of people comment and say that this is just like mine. Thank you so much.

I feel like I just got a free design. Yeah. So there is, there is value for people over there, not just showing off what I do. It really is about trying to be helpful as much as I can be to everyone, to the public, to understand interior design more too. There you go. And it's in, you, you kind of post in some cases, these, here's an Airbnb space plan, exterior makeovers. Those are all clients. Yeah, those are all clients. And you show the blueprints of the space that you're trying to aim out?

I do. I show the space plan. I walk people through my decisions of why I'm doing this space plan. Because you can't just show someone it and they won't fully understand, you know, why was that the best plan? Let me tell you why it was the best plan because we tried this other plan over here and it didn't work. So I usually do my due diligence with all the space plans. It does take time. And I'm, my goal is to find the best plan, not just a plan, but let's find the best plan for your space. And why is that the best plan? I'll tell you why. So that's also where people some

people follow me just because of that they love the space planning content not not the design side because i feel like it is it is it is the same all good design starts with space planning but some people like the aesthetic side and some people like the space planning side do you have to have that feng shui sort of thing going on that that was popular yeah yeah feng shui was popular for a little while but i have to say it's very ancient it's a very ancient practice it's been around for a really long time for western society to adopt it yes that was you know popular i would say you know mid-70s people started really talking about it more but that is more of a belief system so they

have different ways that they different rules they, because it is a system that they follow to balance the energy in a space. That's the goal, is to balance the chi or energy of a space. Where in Western society, we have building codes that really we have to base a lot of things around. So we have human function and building codes really dictating a lot of things for our interiors. But I have great respect for Feng Shui. I think it's wonderful. There's lots of people that have content around it. I don't do it unless I have a client who says they want to follow and practice Feng Shui in their home.

There you go. And what are your thoughts on IKEA furniture and shabby chic? I tease a lot of my interior designer friends about shabby chic, especially in California. Whatever my clients want. That's what I say. I really have to go with what. If my client loves shabby chic, let's do it. And let's do the best shabby chic room you've ever seen.

So I don't want to knock anybody's style. Everybody likes different things. If you like ikea furniture go for it you know obviously i just my only takeaway is just the quality you know how long do we want to have this piece in our home you know if it's affordability ikea is great for that because you can you know hopefully they're getting a little pricier these days but you know you can get a really inexpensive item of furniture that you may need for either temporary or just because you simply need something really a little bit more inexpensive for your home. So there's pros to

everything. Even Shabby Chic can have some pros. We can make a cute cottage, for example. Oh yeah. I had a gal pal in California who introduced me to Shabby shake and her whole house was white like including the piano like and it was white furry everywhere and i was just like this is like too much white you walk in here and you're like your eyes a little blinded could we could we get some variation of color in here but she liked it she would go to those she would go to those you know know, yard sales or whatever, thrift stores, buy a set of furniture and just paint the whole thing damn white. Yep. And then probably sand the edges to give it a little bit of shabbiness. Shabby chic.

That's right. You got to have a shabby in there. That's right. I was just like, you know, maybe can you afford just normal furniture? But that's not the point. Is Ikea really that expensive? That's not the point. The style really that expensive? That's not the point The style is the point

It's the style, yeah Just everything white Some people love it Yes, they feel very relaxed And that's their style So that's what they enjoy Around here we have two Huskies So we keep everything black

Oh, okay, there you go So that would be your style then. Yes. That's Husky style. I'm sure you know that. It's a technical term in the industry, Husky style. It can be. We can coin it.

It can be. It can be your style. It's where everything's covered in fur, basically. That's not like the furniture fur. That's a dog fur. Yeah. Totally understand. Totally understand. And so you do a lot of your own personal life on here too. It looks like I see traveling so people can keep up with you that are fans of you, but outdoor furniture, how to set up, how was the journey of starting your first business? But I imagine starting your

first business online for all the world to see is a whole different experience maybe than, you know, what I've had building businesses where you kind of do them in the quiet and you don't really show up until you're successful. You know, you're building a business from ground zero and kind of learning some of the things probably the hard way in the public eye, actually, which can, you know, cause some criticism. They've been known to have these trolls that they have online. You've probably heard of them. Everyone's a critic, yeah. Everyone's a critic, and from their little armchair, where they're just sitting in their mobile home, throwing rocks at you, going, what are you doing with your life? And you're like, I don't know, you're just sitting around in a beanbag chair naked eating

cheese, trolling people on the internet. What do you go with? So what's that been like for you to go through the gauntlet of learning online and stuff and advice maybe you could give to other entrepreneurs? Yeah, it has been a gauntlet. And I would say I've learned trial by fire. And I've had to learn from my mistakes. Simple as that.

And try not to make them again. And if they happen again, and a lot of things are out of your control, you know, especially, especially in the world of social media, uh, you know,

one, one word you could say could set someone off. You were so unaware of that word, you know, setting anyone off. And so you do have to be, have very thick skin, I would say.

And also don't read the comments. Don't read the comments. I like that. You know, we were popular on YouTube for a number of years. And yeah, you really learn to get a thick skin over those comments, man. And you really can't take anything to heart. Don't take anything seriously. But even if you say, I'm not going to, it can still bother you.

You'll still be laying in bed at night you know thinking about it when you really it's just not good for your mental health at all and that's why even though you say oh no i'm tough enough i can read the comments it really is just best not to just don't worry about it let other people can read the comments tell you i have an assistant that you know usually scrolls through and says hey someone's asking this you might want to reply or would you like me to reply i can reply for you and thankfully i have a citizen who can do that for me i don't reply to i mean i guess they know this we tell them this when we reply to them but they say this is julie's

assistant replying this is not me because i like when people do that i really do i like when that's there because you don't really want, there was a few people that we interacted with to have on the show that are kind of semi-famous. They're kind of D-list celebrities. Okay. And when we reached out to them, we thought we were having a conversation with them directly on LinkedIn

or whatever the platform was. We reached out to them on usually LinkedIn. And so usually with LinkedIn, we're talking to the person most times of anything he pulled surprise winner you know major person on TV for news and journalists etc etc and this one time we we thought we were talking to the person we arranged that at the Mon and then suddenly we got all these 50,000 requests and and particulars from from their staff.

And we're like, oh, we thought we were talking to you the whole fucking time. I'm like, you're talking to me and I'm talking to your help? Why don't you just fuck off, eh? I think we just want to be authentic with people. We don't want them to know that it's not really truly replying to you. Because number one, we get a lot of messages. So I don't have the time. I don't have the time in my life. I'm pretty busy. You know, that's why you have to

delegate and hire people who can help you there. And, you know, a lot of people are just genuinely asking for help. You know, if we can help them and have an assistant help them something that I don't physically need to say or type, then I don't need to do it. So I can delegate someone else to do it. And honestly, that will help a lot. It'll help offload a lot. I think to just, just knowing that you're being kind of scrutinized for anything you could say, you just can't please everyone. So I would say to young people that are starting, especially social media, really don't worry about it. You're going to find your people, the right people will find you, the right people will like you and follow you and buy your services. And the wrong people won't. And the wrong people will find you. The right people will like you and follow you and buy your services. And the wrong people won't.

And the wrong people might find you and leave a nasty comment. And you can block and delete that person. That's what the beauty of social media is. If someone's really nasty, I really don't often at all. Number one, because I don't really read the comments. But number two, I just, I don't have that space in my life for that. The world is, the web is so vast. There are billions of people in this world.

Not everyone needs to follow you. So it's okay if people don't like me and follow me. That's all right. You know, we probably wouldn't be friends then. I agree. You can go find your people. Go find your people. So some good advice there.

Be authentic online. I think that's really important. I think a lot of people sense whether you're authentic, whether you're real. That's right. Sometimes they'll support you even if you're just trying or learning social media. Yeah, and sharing my journey too. People know this is a new business. People know that I'm finding my way and learning along the way.

So it's okay to talk about mistakes, first of all. It's okay to have them and to learn from them it's okay to share that listen this is how i learned from something hopefully i can help you learn from it too if you ever go through something like this i had you know one one point i shared about a former employee leaving and kind of taking the whole business model with her and yeah copy and pasting and i can't't, I shared, I tried to share as little information as I could about it, but I shared that story to help other people who may be going through the same thing. I cannot tell you how many Instagram messages that I had in my inbox

saying, thank you so much for sharing that. The same thing happened to me. And you, you know, they, they have so much more respect and empathy for you when you're able to relate with someone like that and share the downs of your business as well. I don't want to air dirty laundry, but I do want to share mistakes I've made that I'll try not to make again. And I pick myself up. Don't blame myself for it. I did blame myself for a long time. Just, oh, this is stupid. I could have done this. I could have done this, this, this, and this, you know, And that's not the healthiest place to be. Don't go there.

You can't change the past. All you can do is protect yourself going forward in the future. And so I know everything happens for a reason, even the bad stuff. It happens like that. The unfortunate things, you know, let's turn that around. Let's learn from that and try not to, you know, learn from that. And let's try not to let that happen again. Even if it might. Even if it might, you know, learn from that. Let's try not to let that happen again. Even if it might,

you can't control other people. So you just have to really honestly be ethical and true to yourself and you'll be okay. I like that. Ethical and true to yourself. Be authentic. I think people sense when you're trying to be real, they'll support you through the mistakes.

You know, once you find your audience. But good advice that you've given. And, you know, keep going. You know, once you find your audience. But good advice that you've given to, you know, keep going. You know, the stupid stuff that, like, we have videos that we've done, I don't know, how long have we been on YouTube? 14, 12 years, something like that. And we had to quit putting the prices on things because we would review products and we'd, you know, we'd be like, hey, this is 200 bucks, whatever, you know, whatever be like hey this is 200 bucks whatever you know whatever the widget was we have we have people still this day who will be like you know the video's seven years old and they're like that you're so stupid that's not the right price that or they're like hey can you tell me how to fix my iphone 5 and we're like honey that that video is 10 years old. Did you happen to note the date on it? Oh, yes. Are they like, you're an idiot.

It's $9.95 on Amazon right now. That was the price seven years ago. It's just the gambit of, I don't know, there's some folks online that need some help. It should be a help call line where you can push a button. Yes, you do as a content creator, and you know, in your business too, you kind of lose faith in humanity just a little bit um because you get exposed to so many people and it really can just be like oh my god the people are just

and so you really can't let that you really can't let me catch you there are still good people out there who will find you. So that's why I say you just don't worry about it. You keep going. Keep doing you. Your people will find you. And don't worry about all the comments because they're going to be there no matter what. There you go.

And you give me a title for a new podcast, Losing Faith in Humanity. Oh, no. Don't name it that. We're just going to have people on and never mind. What have we touched on or teased out? How can people onboard with you? How can they get to know you better? How can they handshake with you on what goes on your website?

Yeah, so the website hopefully is user-friendly. If you're someone that a lot of our, I'll just say this, a lot of our clients don't have access to an interior designer. They don't know one. They don't know where to start. They know they might need some help. Usually people come to me because they have a problem or they need help with something. So we are trying to make it very easy for you to get that help. I have a lot of staff now that is, I employ several, I think six, seven interior designers now and space planners and drafters. And we have a team to basically, you can choose who you'd like based on their portfolio. So let's say a client needs help with their living room and they need the best way to figure it out and buy furniture. And they're not sure the best way to lay it out.

And they also don't know their style because they don't know where to start. A lot of our clients are like that. So they're not alone. You're not alone if you're like that. You have to start somewhere. So we're the place to start. We are literally square one. So if you start with us, yes, you can purchase, let's say, a room makeover.

Most popular service on the website, you can choose your designer based on their portfolio or their wait time because they all have different ones. Or you can choose myself. I'm on there as well and so we will hopefully get you everything you'll need to carry that out because you might be over in wisconsin and i'm in california so how am i going to do that so we have kind of a streamlined process now we get to know you first so you will fill out some questions you'll send us pictures and dimensions you do have to do that. We have to have those to start. We want this to be an executed

plan on your part. So we have to have accurate dimensions and we help you with that. We tell you the best way to do that. And so after that, then we basically have you tell us your style. And if you don't know where to start, I have a whole style quiz for you that I created. It took me a long time to develop, but I did have a style quiz. I created it, had it developed basically, and then put on my website for anyone to take. It's free. It's open.

It says, you know, Julie's style quiz, right on the website. You can take it very short, short style quiz, not long. That was my goal was to make it short, short style quiz. It'll at least give you a launch pad. It'll give you somewhere to start. It'll give you somewhere to start. It'll give you a name. It'll give you a visual and it'll give you even a color palette that you were attracted to in that place.

That's a place to start too. We get to know you and your style by asking you questions, having you take the quiz. Also, if you want to search the web for images, that'd be great. And then it's up to your designer to basically go work behind the scenes execute a design for you based on all that information that we found out about you so every room quite literally looks different because every client is different we really embrace the client as an individual and their tastes and preferences so if we had a shabby sheet client no problem we'll do a shabby sheet room for you what about people like me who just have cardboard and

ikea some ikea stuff that didn't get put and we'll ask your budget we'll ask my budget ah it's the budget yeah there you go we have to ask your budget because we really do want it to be realistic for you originally when i i'm actually not that bad people my whole line he says is chris really fucking poor the he lives under a Vidoc and has cardboard and Chevy Chic. Now, actually, when I did my foray into doing my interior design, I bought a lot of Bernhardt and Henron Don. Am I still in high class? Yes, of course.

Is this the action area? Of course, yes. My Bernhardt and Henron Don has held up through so many moves. It's insane. Great. Anyway, so we meet with you as well. We make sure that you like your room because this is a room for you. And so we'll meet with you face-to-face.

You have a meeting with your designer. She goes through or he goes through all their decisions and why they made them so you can understand. We give you a color palette for your room. We give you all the furniture, all the decor, everything that you see in your visual. We have a link for you to go purchase it if you'd like to. We also can, this is for a little bit people with higher budgets. We can trade source for you, meaning there's a whole world.

Furniture and decor, that's only available to the design trade. So we can trade source for you if you'd like, if that's in your budget, basically. And it's up to you, though. We let the client decide if they want retail, totally fine. We'll source only retail for them. But they end up with a shopping list, a visual, a floor plan to basically tell you exactly where to put everything to scale in your space. So really, you don't have a reason. You shouldn't have any what ifs or questions about it. Now, there's always things that might go wrong. It might arrive damaged.

Something might go wrong. But hopefully, it gives people the tools that they need to execute for themselves. So it is up to the client to execute what we're giving you, hopefully, the plan to execute that. There you go. So you've got your local SoCal services. Probably interact with you personally. That's here locally with me. You've got your virtual services for interior design, space planning for if you want to go to Mars and stuff, exterior services.

And then you've got some courses as well, space planning courses and Photoshop. Courses. Yes. Yes. I have courses. They're really just were live classes that were recorded so they do feel very organic that's what they are is me talking telling you my process for space planning with two classes and then also with photoshop because we use photoshop it's not a very common program to use for this field i hopefully have opened people's

eyes that you can use this program for interior design and i'll'll show you how, because there is a learning curve with everything. I have two classes on there really going a little bit more in depth of how I use that program for my client visuals. There you go. And on your website, people can take a style quiz to find out if they have any style. They can. That's what I talked about. Yep, they can take the style quiz. It's free right there. You just scroll down, start clicking images you like, and click next.

And in four questions, hopefully you'll get to a style that you're attracted to. There you go. It just said there's no hope for me. No. There's no such thing as a husky style. I'm sure you're probably industrial modern or something like that. Probably something like that. Something.

Julie, it's been fun to have you on the show. And congratulations on building a great business. Thank you. Especially off of social media. There's so many entrepreneurs that have come out of tiktok and different things these these it seems like every iteration of one of these social media things and i know women really love this stuff they love being able to have access to you know assistance with the home assistance with raising kids you know there's so much support for mommies and different stuff like that. Yeah, there's a lot of value online,

even though through all the weeds, there is a lot of valuable content on there. So yeah, it's just finding that valuable content, sticking to that, kind of ignoring everything else, and hopefully I'm in there with the valuable content. I kind of like how TikTok is pretty easy to game. I think Instagram is now too, but it's like if your algorithm ever gets mucked up, you can kind of just make sure you like and comment on the same stuff on TikTok.

Yeah. Yeah. The algorithms have helped. They've evolved. They're always evolving. That's what I've learned just as someone who posts on there a lot. They're always evolving, but they'll even out. You'll be able to find kind of similar content, again, if you engage, if you engage with that content. It's good to find intelligent content online. I might be old. Maybe that's my problem. But trying to find intelligent content that doesn't want to make you, you know, start

a podcast calling, what were we joking about earlier? Losing faith in humanity. Losing faith in humanity. That's probably my TikTok channel right there. Thank you very much, Julie, for coming on the show. Give us people your.com so people can onboard with you as we go out. Yeah. Thank you so much for having me.

It's been a pleasure. You can find me on my website. That's the best way to go is juliejonesdesigns.com. Now, for all my content, it is linked on there as well. All my socials are linked on that website. I also have LTK, which is a like to know where every client that we source for, it goes on a website. So you can literally get a free design with resourcing just on that LTK page. It really is underrated.

There's a lot of resources on there. That's on the homepage of my website. And that's just, again, totally free. That's pretty awesome. Our services are all on the website. And then all my socials are there as well. TikTok's the OG, where I started, and that's at Julie Jones Designs. Instagram, Julie Jones underscore designs.

And then Facebook is at Julie Jones Designs as well. You know what would be really fun? And maybe you've done this, but this would be really fun. You know how they do those home makeovers with people. Like basically you take whatever, whoever submits, like some of the worst setup of their room or whatever you've ever seen. Like you guys are dry heaving as interior designers. You're just like, Oh my God.

No, never. And you guys go in and you guys go in and take it from zero to, or negative something to, to a hundred, you know, you guys just like totally change it. And then the, you look at the side-by-side photos

and you're like, holy crap. Yeah. I do do that in a way on my content. A lot of my content is before and after. So I have the before and then we transform. Or I transform and then I show them the after and we compare. So I do do that in a lot of my content. There you go.

We just need to get you a reality show that does that. I think that would be fun yeah well maybe it could be like survivor where people have to survive by designing i don't know this oh that sounds fun yeah or they get kicked out of their house if they design it wrong or something i don't know so you could be like you be like who's that chef who's really rude to everybody? Oh, is it Gordon Ramsay? Is it Gordon Ramsay? Yeah. You could be like Gordon Ramsay.

You just show up in the reality show and you're like, what the fuck is this? The Kmart collection? Holy shit. What year is this? 1980. Anyway, thank you very much for coming on the show, Julie. We really appreciate it. Oh, you're so welcome.

Thank you so much for having me. It was a pleasure to be here. There you go. Thanks for tuning in. Go to Goodreads.com, 4chesschrisfast, LinkedIn.com, 4 it. You're so welcome. Thank you so much for having me. It was a pleasure to be here. There you go. Thanks for tuning in. Go to Goodreads.com, 4Chess, Chris Foss, LinkedIn.com, 4Chess, Chris Foss,

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