The Chris Voss Show - The Chris Voss Show Podcast – Kentucky Barracuda: Parker H. French by Joe Goodbody

Episode Date: October 4, 2025

Kentucky Barracuda: Parker H. French by Joe Goodbody https://www.amazon.com/Kentucky-Barracuda-Parker-H-French/dp/1960224239 Parkerhfrench.com Parker Hardin French was certainly an adventurer and entrepreneur who engaged in elaborate, bold, and ambitious exploits but he was also a magnificent con-man-a barracuda. Those who followed his exploits were variously exasperated, captivated by his audacity and nervy cheek, or humored by his latest escapade. He was judged an incorrigible scoundrel, labeled a chronic megalomaniac, or peddled as a misunderstood victim of his enemies. Many believed him a hero- many just thought him insane. Some of his efforts may have begun as legitimate endeavors, but they inevitably resulted in double-crossed partners, betrayed allies. and swindled creditors. French was reported killed five times-twice killed in gunfights; executed in Mexico by both hanging and firing squad; and once killed in Nicaragua. For a short while there was a lapse of interesting press reports, so many just presumed that he was already dead, the victim of retribution or excessive alcohol. He ultimately died of natural causes-in his bed. In the era of steam, sail and horse, the rapidity of French's movement and breadth of his adventures is almost mind-numbing. As a runaway kid he fought in the British Navy in the first Opium War. When he was just 22 years old, he was a commission merchant and, a year later, built the first ocean going ship on the upper Mississippi. Before he was 30, he was the leader of an infamous gold rush expedition; implicated in an irregular invasion of Cuba; jailed bandit and then a paramilitary hero in Mexico; lawyer, district attorney, legislator, journalist, and political enforcer in California; member of an American cabal which governed Nicaragua; and, appointed but rejected Nicaraguan ambassador to the United States. He did not slowdown in his 30s: he was a real estate developer; lawyer; journalist; part of a conspiracy to invade Mexico; suspected seditionist agitator and Confederate agent; jailed as a political prisoner; and, lawyer and purveyor for Union troops. His final days were spent in obscurity but the period was still peppered with the occasional swindle that garnered both regional and national attention. First and foremost, he was always a barracuda.

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The notorious scoundrel and delightful rogue of antebellum in Civil War America. Joe Goodbody joins us in the show. We're going to talk to him about his book and some of the things that he got into with the story and where the story comes from and all the good stuff. We're talking about everything. That's what we do here on the show. He is a retired United States Army Colonel and corporate leader with bachelor's degrees from University of Nebraska and Masters in Logistics Management from Florida Institute of Technology.

Him and his wife have been married for 57 years with two sons and five grandchildren. Welcome the show, Joe. How are you, sir? Thank you very much for having me. I appreciate it. Thank you very much for coming. We certainly appreciate having you as well. Well, give us your dot-coms. Where do you want people to find you on those interwebs in the sky?

Well, there's a, oh, excuse me. Excuse me, Kentucky barracuda.com. One of them, and then Parker H.French.com is the other one. Kentucky Baracuda. When I heard the title, I was thinking of that heart song. Barakuda, that opening guitar line is something else. So give us a 30,000 overview of who the Kentucky Barakuta. Burakuda is.

Well, Kentucky Baracuda, let me get back into the title of the book and the subtitle. They're basically frame the story of the man, the character of the man, and a lot of its time frame. The notorious scandal and delightful robe, those two statements

came directly from news editors that wrote about him in those two different ways. So he was sort of a yin-yang guy that had a lot of support. orders and a lot of people just thought he was one of the worst guys around and both got written up in the newspaper like that. He was either a hero or a villain. Sounds like women accuse me of my dating life.

So I found out about him because I was doing genealogical work with my brother and found out that my great-grandfather had been scammed by Parker French. Oh, wow. And so we got a great-grandfather was a member of Parker French's one, first big scam. He ran a exercise, did an expedition across the continent to California during the 1850 Gold Rush. My great-grandfather and 250 other guys got scammed by Parker French in New York. and all the way along the trail. And when they got to Texas, the story just got worse and worse.

And they eventually broke apart from mismanagement and fraud and deception. And all those 250 guys were left at the far end of the world at that time in El Paso. And so many of them made their way back out to Texas, back to their home. But many continued to go through Mexico on ships up to San Francisco. Francisco, including my great grandfather and his brother. So they made it to the goldfield, but not without a lot of battles

along the way. So 200-ish years later, we're getting revenge on him for your family. You're outing him, as it were. And interestingly enough, my wife and I have met some great-grandchildren of Parker French.

I had lunch with them and compared notes and interesting. They all thought they knew that he was a scoundrel, but they found out that he wasn't, he was more scoundrel than they thought that he was. There you go. And the description on this, on episode, is

insane for this. I mean, he was reportedly killed five times. Yes. All over Mexico and Nicaragua and, and it sounds like Billy the kid or something, maybe. I don't know.

So was this stuff that was going on after the Civil War where it was kind of like, a crazy time of people trying to figure out the world it transitioned from 1850 through his main time frame he was in the news all the time was from 1850

and then into the Civil War where he was arrested as a Confederate sympathizer and spy up in Connecticut so opportunist being a spy who knew yeah and he

he had all kinds of different ways of thinking, but I think it was just basically a chameleon, a political chameleon that did anything that came to mind. And if he found out that you were doing something that he could support that forwarded his agenda and his bank account, he was going to get involved in it. And then he had no problem in betraying allies or getting out and turning tail. he should have run for a president or maybe start a religion or something i don't know there was a lot of that going on during those times Mormons excuse me the uh yeah i mean it sounds like he was doing all sorts

of stuff and maybe he would have been a great politician you know you know how to work both sides of the aisle i think i think he was a brilliant guy and got started the wrong way and yeah he had all the all the family ties and business ties that would have made him a very successful person. But everything he did, some of the stuff he did, I think, started out as a legitimate enterprise. But he found out it was much too tough to do it that way. He just scammed people and walked away from debtors and partners and people that have paid him money. And then at the time, of course, it was almost impossible to trace those kinds of guys down. Oh, yeah, no fingerprints, no.

It spread the nascency of the, all the communications that were going on at the time. Yeah, I mean, there was a very hard to trace them down. Yeah. I mean, it's a big country and, you know, I mean, I don't think, you know, we really still figured out, you know, local laws and police or whatever. Maybe we did in funded cities, but there was so much growth and, you know, stuff going on out west. and the thing. You wrote about how he fought in the British Navy in the first opium war.

I don't even think I heard of the first opium war, but I did flunk history. So that's probably why. So it was a British-Chinese war that he ran away from home. He lived with his uncle at a time, very promising event. He lived with his uncle,

who was a statesman and politician in Kentucky. Ran away from home, made his way to New Orleans, and eventually got to New England where he set sail on a battleship, a battleship of some kind that headed toward the far east. And then when he came back, he was well respected in all the local papers and everything

and was doing well as a youth in business. And then he eventually got to St. Louis through Alton, Illinois. where he met his wife and joined the family, Edward's family of Illinois, who were very influential at the time. They were connected by marriage to both the Lincoln family and the Calhoun family. He, when he got to St. Louis,

he built the first ocean-going ship on the Upper Mississippi, which turned out to be a pretty good ship. and then walked away from that as just after it was floated and before all of the final stuff had to be added on to it, he walked away from it with his wife. They scampered away and left about $90,000 in debts behind. Oh, wow. Which was the equivalent now of, you know,

up into three or four million dollars. Yeah. Was he like living high on the hog, spending the money on his own things or something? You know, maybe he was, maybe he was collecting those things the Gen Ziers collect. I forget what they call him the little dolls or something, maybe. Maybe he was putting his money in Bitcoin or something. He was up and down.

And at some points in time, he could be found in the newspapers as being very influential in affluent. And other times, he'd look like a tramp. Ah, sounds like me. Now, that was either the up and downs of his economic, fortunes or it could have been a trap laid by him that or maybe maybe his wife just went to target all the time i know guys who have wives that go to target twice a day and you're like twice a day is that necessary you need that much trash at target but you know it's right so i was my brother and i were sort of shocked when we found out that our great-grandfather had been

scammed by him because we had family Laura that he was a very tough cynical and didn't take fools lightly thanks we found out he was in great company he scammed the president of Nicaragua the bunch of people on the way

to California general long major long street of the time the future general and civil war fame Senator Johnson who was going to be eventually became the president and then a whole bunch of other

industrialists and politicians who he took advantage his ability to be a political idologue so he could say anything to anybody and that he could make them believe I would like I said

he would be a great politician yeah but it sounds like he did some of this I mean I'm reading the I'm reading the things here he was a lawyer district attorney legislator, journalist political enforcer in California member of an American cabal which governed Nicaragua

and then later he was a real and he all did this before his 30s I guess he was a real estate developer a lawyer journalist part of a conspiracy to invade Mexico I was part of that suspected seditionists and Confederate agent and then later a lawyer and purveyor

for union troops yes man he plays all size man he is a politician right there he's working both sides the aisle. He did. He got arrested up in Connecticut and put in a prison up in Boston, Boston Harbor,

with a bunch of other political prisoners at the time. And then they couldn't develop enough proof to actually take him to court and prove anything. Although they had the agents that arrested him thought they had plenty of proof. So he was released, went

down to the next step was from Boston to Washington, D.C., where he lived openly. He lived openly. as Parker French. And then we started doing the laureate legal stuff for union troops and eventually got into being a supply guy for different brigades and regiments. Wow. So it sounds like it would make a great movie.

I hope so. Anyway, I want a great movie script? Here you go. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, this guy's done a lot of stuff. And, you know, I can see a good movie like, what was that, the okay crowd? What was that an okay crowd movie with all those great actors in it?

But yeah, I mean, oh, wow, he did a lot of crazy stuff. Was there anybody that you, I mean, I imagine you did some research around those areas in times. Was there anybody that came close to being as, what's the right word, auspicious is this guy? Not in his time frame. Later on was the Brooklyn Bridge, you know, scams and those kinds of things later. But many people at the time were copycatting him and trying to pull off scams along the same level. But they were never successful. I could find out that they'd actually matched to what Parker French did.

I know in the 1800s they were doing gold digging scams because of the Egyptian King Tut and things being found in Egypt. And so they were looking for stuff here and gold from battles and stuff. That's how Joseph Smith, the Mormon church got started. But they would do a gold digging scam. They would go to farmers and they would say, they would have like a water witcher, a stick. And they would be like, hey, we got a special stick for gold. And it says there's gold on your land. But you got to pay us up front to dig it up. And they would pay them up front. And they dig and dig and dig. And no one found gold and they would split skis. Disappared in the middle of the night.

Yeah, yeah. And then once he was arrested and prosecuted as a felon, he came with a new way to make money. That's a different story, but there's a lot of, there's a lot of this weird stuff going on at that time. I mean, evidently, this gold digging scam

was so huge, they actually passed laws against it. I mean, you know, you know, there's a lot of laws being broken when they go, okay, we got so many criminals doing this shit, we got to pass laws. You know what I mean? And it's just kind of wild because you're like, I mean, I guess there was no internet back then, so you couldn't like check on stuff. You know, like you can now, if you get a letter from a Nigerian prince and email, you can be like, hey, is this

legit? You can ask Google and find out. Of course, most people don't, I guess, they get wrapped into them. So, yeah, so you're finally getting your money back for your long Los Relative who was scammed and by selling the book then well yeah there's a funny story to that regard so carroll and i were having lunch with two uh great grand sons from a partner french out in tennessee and uh they're very very nice very friendly funner and hill and we had a great time with them and my brother had previously said hey they still owe us 250 bucks for uh in Inflation adjusted. So, you know, $8,000 or so.

So after I got to know him a little bit and knew he had a good sense of humor, I said, you know, we demand our $8,000 inflation adjusted, you know, thing back. He looked straight at me across the table and said, will you accept the French family check? A French family check? Is that what? Yeah. Wow. French family check.

I know where that's going to know how much rubber is going to be in that, baby, evidently, according to your book. Implicated in an irregular invasion of Cuba. Was that around the Cuba in wartime, or was that... This was at the same time he was doing an expedition to California. Okay. One of the rumors was that he really didn't intend to take everybody to California. He intended to stop off in Cuba and join one of the revolutions against the Spanish of the time.

That's what I do on the way from New York to California. I just stop off on the way to Cuba. The ships had a point in Havana that they would transfer ships and transfer passengers from one ship to another. Oh, that makes sense. Well, you know, I mean, the mob tried it years later. And then who's the guy who took over Cuba in the 60s? I can't believe.

I forgot his name. Anyway, so he was kind of a scoundrel, and then in the end, after all the assumptions of him being killed five times twice in gunfights, executed in Mexico, by both hanging in firing squad, because that's what I like to do. And then once killed in Nicaragua, he died of natural causes for all this scoundreling? he he uh died when uh in bed with his new wife by his side and with one of the prominent uh physicians in new york treating he had uh i think it's combination malaria and rheumatoid arthritis and probably uh a good batch of alcoholism in there screwed with his scooved with his innards you know so that'll do that alcoholism but that's funny he died in actual Was his famous last words?

It's good luck getting paid back now. And then his funeral was just a case of, it was amazing when I was reading in the newspaper articles about his funeral. It was in Alton, Illinois, where he had lived for a time where he met his first wife. He got buried there in an elaborate funeral. And with the pallbearers were city fathers and regional, you know, politicians so they either couldn't didn't never hear the whole stories or they just didn't believe him they you know they were on the side that he was a he was a saint and a in a and a patriot my wife thought that they he had a huge number of people that came to the

funeral and make sure he was dead this time that sounds like all my exes what they make sure he's dead this time yeah uh make sure he's dead this time yeah i've heard that story uh so what's on the future docket for you now this is your first book is any more books made about this gentleman i have a couple i'm considering it's just the amount of research i would have to do to do them yeah yeah and the amount of traveling and stuff that i have to do them and There might be a story there, but I just have to find to make sure there's a there there before I... Make sure there's a there there there.

Yeah, so I have plenty of the research done, but it's... All of it needs a good positive, make sure that it's there. On the research I did for this book, we have 340-some-odd references in it. Oh, wow. So it's...

Plus he was in the papers a lot, it sounds like. He was. He was very prominent in the newspapers. In fact, it was dominating headlines in some cases. Wow. The guy was popular. What's that? The guy was popular. You know, sometimes, you know, we like those, it's kind of like, maybe it's like the mob back in the day.

You know, the mafia has always kind of had this romance. You know, Americans kind of have this romance with the mob. So maybe, you know, we kind of like a little scoundreldom. You know, it's kind of like watching the Kardashians. You're like, you know, it's stupid, but you can't look away sort of thing. You know, it's like a car crash, slow-moving car crash. But, you know, so we kind of like, I think we kind of, you know, like we like rock stars for that reason because they can operate outside of the norms of society.

You know, we know they're going to get girls, they're going to get money, and they're going to do lots of drugs, and we celebrate that for some reason. But they do make good music on those drugs. So. Yeah. Many of the news stories on him of the time are almost like a tabloid, type of thing at the checkout counter of the other. Back then they had

back then they had oh what's it called he was like the National Inquirer of guy. Yeah there were a couple of newspapers that were like weekly weekly the globe and stuff right up right up things and yeah. So he would be on the cover and then down in the section below they'd be like Elvis is still alive in magazines yeah I got he probably still was in the 1800s too and historians before I thought one of the

things I did out of the book I said okay so what how come our great-grandfather got scammed by this this guy and I said before that he was in great company one of those people that the Parker French scammed was for New York Vanderbilt you know the richest guy and the most powerful guy one of the most powerful guys in the country of the time. Yeah, I'll get in trouble. So how did he do this and what happened? Well, and why haven't historians before

done any writing on this? Well, there were two articles in like an 1878 newspaper that laid out his life, and most of it was wrong. Oh, I was. Yeah, and so they were, they either

you know, compiled different stories about him that were not true. or listen to him tell his stories about himself that possibly could be or could not be true. And then so he sort of got lost to history after that time period because historians rightfully saw these two things and he thought of him as an inconsequential character,

wasn't really that important, didn't do many things. But he was much more influential. I found he much more influential. to period history than further uh had been further done before yeah yeah i mean it would make i think it would make a great movie you know well hoping like for a series of some kind that uh yeah because it's uh it's there's basically 18 19 different chapters and there's basically 19 different stories and you know you know core you know the uh time period so you know there's a lot We have, you know, we like scoundrels.

I mean, Billy the Kid, that was a good movie and stuff like that. And, you know, some of the Clint Eastwood movies, he wasn't always the good guy. You know, but we kind of like these stories. And it sounds like you got so many adventures. You could probably make that an Amazon series for all the adventures he went on. Some of my readers brought up the point that they thought of him as a 1850s version of Catch Me If You Can't. Oh, yeah. Scam artist, yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. And at that time, he was the best of him. Yeah. Sounds like he had his thing. And he got away with it, basically. He died of old age. Good for him.

I guess. So anything more coming on? You're just still projects being worked. Yes. Initial sort of be a sort of sequel or something that came out of the Parker French story. that intrigued me that had never been written about. So I'm trying to sort out if there's enough there to do a, you know, nonfiction, historical.

Historical fiction sort of thing? Yeah. No, it's actually, this, Parker French, all of it is, is obviously a biographical sketch and non-fiction. And I think I'd do the same thing with any story that came out. There's probably a few things that were going. going on with a few different people back then because it was kind of like, I mean, it was the Wild West, right?

It was wide open and, you know, there was a lot of lawmen running around and, you know, you just never know what's going to take and happen and stuff. And, you know, now you finally get revenge for your family member there. Remember, folks, be good, or somebody 200 years from now right about you, what a scoundrel you were. I think most of my

are working on books for that as well. So I've been told that I'm quite the scoundrel and no woman should ever put up with me or something, I don't know, something like that. But, you know, that's a matter of opinion, I suppose. Oh, yeah, it's always a man. Well, this is pretty interesting. So tell us about your life.

It sounds like you served in the military. And when did you kind of know you kind of had a knack for writing? Have you always written? I'm going to know that you kind of had it. I didn't know it, but, you know, in this type of thing. I grew up in the military writing reports and different things that hit the filing cabinet. But I never did anything in this regard. And one of the helpful things, and I was trying to figure out how to write it, you know, how to net do this thing.

And there was a book by two Australian ladies, and I guess a paraphrase, their title is how to how to write history that people will actually read and and they presented that it ought to be written as a as a fiction with character development and a tone of that kind of stuff and theme and a good storyline he held together and so I did that and then some people wanted me to put more speaking parts in it so I'd get a dialogue going in between people and I didn't do that the only there is some dialogue in the book but it's directly out of newspaper reports on what park or french actually different it said to different people it was you know during a rest warrants he had arrest warrants on him and he would actually actually you know

use this gift of gab and and quick put mine and he had a lawyer's training to just figure out how to get out of almost anything. He's so confused an issue that there would be very little left to charge him with. One of the things that hit, there was a period of time in the late 1850s, early 1860, where he was missing for lapsed from the newspaper stories. for a time. And a lot of people at that time thought he was dead, because they just hadn't if they heard anything interesting of him

at the time. Well, he showed up in New Orleans in 1860, and there was a big convention going on of rabble rousers of the time, and he was suspected of being there. Well, one of the things he did is he took a

box of, 300-pound box of stuff into a commission merchant there, and got a loan on the on the proceeds of it. Well, the box, he said, was full of opium, which was legal at the time. And he went back and tried to get another loan,

get another loan on it, and it got the interest of the people that were in charge, and they opened up the box. And it was said to be, you know, not much more than sawdust in sand. Oh. So he got charged with fraud and everything else in that little case.

So he's always doing these little side capers, too, that it didn't hit, if you weren't of any long-term importance, just take advantage of people. About the same time, there was a Texan who was in New Orleans, and he was sort of the matchmaker between this Texan and a woman from Georgia, a widow from Georgia. and newspapers at the time just wrote that up like something because this both both park or french and this this military guy from texas were well known and uh he was uh sent it by the newspaper to be a tall dark and handsome and the widow had an additional fair uh thing of having 15 000 so that was that was you know quite a bit of money at the time so uh i tried to find marriage records for those two but never did find them out.

Oh, wow. Well, it's an interesting life and its journey. I kind of feel like I'm underperforming at life now because this guy's done like everything. I mean, this is crazy. I mean, lawyer, district attorney, legislative, journalist, and political enforcer, member of an American cabal.

She said, I need to do that. I'm going to rearrange my bucket list, I think, is what we're going. He showed up in California after, his wagon train broke Barton in El Paso. And, of course, newspaper stories were all over the place about him committing fraud and scans and schemes and everything. And he showed up in San Luis Bistro, California

and presented himself as a lawyer, although he didn't have any kind of full... So it wasn't really a lawyer? No. Well, I don't think so. I don't think so. I think he read law with his father. So he showed up in San Luis Obispo and became a private attorney and then got elected to or appointed to the district attorney. He was a district attorney of San Luis Obis County. And then got elected to the legislature, California legislature.

Wow. And he shows up in the California legislature and guess what committee he's on? He shows up on the What Ways and Means Committee? And a little while later, after he finished his political appointments and everything, he garnered with a big contract for printing all of the public records of the California legislature and the whole government. So he had a way of continuing on different scams and schemes that were going on. Well, as we go out, give people your final pitch out to order up your book and your dot-coms and all that.

good stuff. Okay. So it reads like fiction, but it is not. I took the advice of the two ladies from Australia and try to read it in a fictional, or write it in a fictional manner. Everything in it is true out of the 340 some odd references. It's a good story of the time, I believe, and it gives a very good view of the, he's the main character, but what was happening around the history of the nation right around that time, too. It was a good linkage there. Yeah. So it can be found on Amazon, Kentucky Baracuda.

It can be found in multiple articles and newspapers and magazines. And they just recently got very good reviews from two of the the big book review companies in the United States. It's Kirkus Reviews and U.S. review of books. And both were very well, they thought it was very well done, and it was a good, good story. So pick up the book, wherever fine books are sold, folks. There you go. And it sounds like a great story and a lot of fun.

There is. What a wonderful story. We love scoundrels, you know, the good, bad, the ugly, you know. I think it's because we like survivors. You know, sometimes you've got to get scrappy in this world to stay alive. There you are. Survivor sort of thing there. I don't know.

Anyway, thank you very much for coming to this show, Joe. We really appreciate it. What a great story you're sharing here. Thank you very much. Appreciate it. I mean, some of the greatest stories people have are in their own families. We have lots of authors on the show that, you know, they dug through history and found these untold stories that, you know, got lost in time. and yeah my mom's a big genealogist too and so you know they're always you know

fine story she's like yeah that bob barker in uh 1671 was a king chris and i'm like well if he doesn't have any money to let me inherit then fuck him i don't care huh there you go has he got did he have any money i mean i last time i checked i'm not on the king prince uh list there so i'm not really concerned about bob barker there 1600s. No, no relation to the guy I grew up with who did, was it. The Price is right. We live next door to him when I was a kid. So, folks, order the book, folks, wherever fine books are sold. Thanks, Joe, for coming to the show. We really appreciate it. Thank you very much. Appreciate you having me on. Thank you. Kentucky Baracuda.

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