The Chris Voss Show - The Chris Voss Show Podcast – Kevin Williams, Creator & Co-Host of TV Channeling & Last Weekly Podcasts

Episode Date: February 28, 2021

Kevin Williams, Creator & Co-Host of TV Channeling & Last Weekly Podcasts

You wanted the best. You've got the best podcast, the hottest podcast in the world. The Chris Voss Show, the preeminent podcast with guests so smart you may experience serious brain bleed. Get ready, get ready, strap yourself in. Keep your hands, arms and legs inside the vehicle at all times. Because you're about to go on a monster education roller coaster with your brain. Now, here's your host, Chris Voss. Hi, folks. Chris Voss here from thechrisvossshow.com. The Chris Voss Show.com.

Hey, we're coming to you on another great podcast. We certainly appreciate you guys tuning in. Oh, my gosh. Another podcast. Anyway, guys, we certainly appreciate being here go to youtube.com fortress chris voss hit that bell notification button also go to instagram facebook linkedin twitter you can follow the chris voss show accounts chris voss and all that good stuff over there we've got a really good friend that i brought in he's a podcaster he's super super funny and he's also uh really

intelligent one of the brightest guys and funniest guys i've met the funniest guy i met on uh clubhouse and so we'll be talking a little bit about the clubhouse app afterwards but he's uh co-rode with me co-founded co-co-conspirator on clubhouse in a lot of rooms that i found and and then he comes on and we just make people roll in the aisles for most of the hour welcome to the show kevin williams how are you doing kevin oh first of all that apology i mean that apology that introduction was absolutely amazing so thank you very very much for that i am doing great it's my very first time on the show there you go welcome welcome hopefully there will be more to those who can't see kevin you can follow him at clubhouse he looks like a rainbow puking gnome that his avatar is is that

correct kevin yes that is correct so kevin let's start out by giving us your dot coms, maybe your handles. All right. So, all right. My podcast, I actually co-host a two podcast. One is an in-depth television review and entertainment news podcast. We also do interviews and it is called TV channeling. You can check it out on tvchanneling.com. And the other is a recap of the week

in pop culture news and entertainment and that show is called last weekly and we have a good time every week you can find us that go to lastweekly.com or just search for last weekly on your favorite podcast app the same thing with tv channeling go to tv channeling.com or just search for tv channeling on your favorite podcast app. There you go. I like how he just wraps that right up like a radio guy. Did you do radio in the past? It's funny. You said something about that on Clubhouse and I didn't, but I was obsessed with radio as a kid. So much so that I would actually call to request music and end up talking to the djs into the wee small hours because i am a night person i think a lot like you because some of your rooms are just like rocking the late night away and so i would call to request songs and some of the djs

were having difficulty staying up so they would talk to me a legit kid when i say a kid i mean like 10. I would be talking to DJs at 2 o'clock in the morning, helping them stay awake through the rest of their shift. Yeah, but the problem was you were calling Catholic priest shows. Yeah, that's one of the dangers. That's one of the dangers. They would play all the hits, Hallelujah. Yeah.

All my favorite songs. Bend over and grab your ankles the that's an awful picture why did i do that anyway so that's cool man you you have a radio uh snap to you so you got the how long you've been podcasting with your two podcasts all right well it's an it's in the official podcast i've actually kind of technically done three and we can go into that if you'd like. Technically. Yeah, so the first official podcast was TV channeling, and we actually recorded the very first two episodes of that show the day after the 2016 election.

So I was kind of in a state, and we recorded those two. Those those the first two shows of that and then for last weekly we started that show we did our first test show in i'd say 2017 i think 2017 december 2017 and then we started in earnest i believe in 2018 there you go i'm getting that right i might be off but anyway i started technically when I say technical podcast is it started from anchor. I was on anchor back when it was a social audio app. Initially, it was kind of like the sold as audio Twitter. In fact, I was looking at a review on CN cnet looking up a review of a new phone or

something and i saw a headline for an article that said is anchor the anchor app the audio twitter i didn't even go read the article i immediately downloaded the app and like what the hell is this and absolutely was obsessed i took to it like a duck to water, like a burrito to a microwave. I was like, yes, let's do this. And it was super fun. And then they killed it. They're all like, we're changing it to something completely different. And they had a radio model because they were at the time, the obsession was Instagram stories. So they had a 24 hour model where your content would go after 24 hours. And so I publicly railed against the machine and then I became a part of the machine and I was putting out content every day,

new content to keep my station up and fresh and got addicted. There you go. So are you, are the two podcasts still on? No, the TV channeling was never on anchor. TV channeling was never on Anchor. TV channeling has always been through Podbean. And the last weekly is through Anchor. There you go. There you go. Oh, I just want to say the original.

If anybody's curious about the original old stuff and is kind of crazy, kind of wacky, it's under No Malone Radio. Hence the No. I'm going to go back and listen to that stuff. It's pretty weird weird stuff so i'm gonna blackmail you something i don't know i'm gonna re i'm gonna reissue it under kevin williams to the gnome reissued oh remastered remastered reissued wow the sound quality will be vastly improved then i'm looking forward to hearing that i i actually when i first heard of anchor fm i thought well this is pretty cool this is the way i can promote the chris voss show and so i went on there and i think i recorded some stuff and i'm like this is really cool i can record a podcast with my phone and then it was like i called the chris voss show and i'm like i wasn't sure if it would be like a clubhouse where i could

have an account on there right and then they go and then and then hey you want to link this to apple and i'm like whoa hey whoa no man there's already one chris voss show can't be doing that so i was like we got to delete this shit yeah you needed to basically just slightly rebrand it because that's what happened to us with tv channeling we were doing tv channeling through of course podbean and we were doing live things because one of the cool things about anchor especially at that time is you had a lot of engagement a lot of live engagement where people could call in and respond and there's lots of back and forth with uh the listeners which i absolutely loved and so we were were going and doing live after shows there. But then it was all of a sudden appearing,

conflicting with the other TV channeling. So I just renamed it TV channeling reruns. And this is to differentiate the two. That's pretty brilliant, actually, because you could rerun your old shit. That's exactly what we did. I've been thinking about doing something like that with the Chris Voss show, maybe on like off days when my schedule falls apart or I don't have somebody

pulling one from the back and pulling it forward. In fact, you know what? I think I saw somebody and what they do is they use throwback Thursday to pull back old things. And so you won't, you don't get a, like a new episode on the podcast on Thursday,

you get a rerun from back in the day. And then they use that to retread. I remember a lot of people have talked about how they retread their material. And I try and retread the material. In fact, when I opened Restream and they came on as a sponsor for the show for a few episodes this month, I was like, I need to go back through all the old episodes and retread them through Restream, do the whole live punch out stuff and so i tried to pick some of the best shows but that's a really good idea actually well what's what's great about you being able to do this is because of the kind of people that you interview other than like me when you're viewing i'm kevin williams the co-host ofing. But anyway, but when you interview lots of authors, when they have a new book out, it'd be cool to put up the interview from the other book they had out or something.

Whenever somebody's back in the news for some other reason, they've been arrested, they've been indicted or something. Then you just dust off that old interview and push it out when their name's back in the news. I need to take all the names of the people who've been on the Chris Voss show and then put them into a Google alert with their name plus arrest. Exactly. And so then you can basically push that episode out again. And yeah, everybody wins. Well, I guess they don't win if they've been indicted, but you win. So it works out.

You know, I've actually been doing that a little bit. We did that with Kevin Sullivan and Mary Jordan's book, Plug for Them, Trump on Trial. We did that for Peter Strzok's book, Compromised. When, I can't remember what it was that re-triggered Compromised. Oh, I think it was when he pardoned Michael Flynn, who Peter Strzok had been the one to interview him directly. He was the interview guy that interviewed michael and michael lied michael flynn lied and then was supposed to go to jail so when michael flynn was pardoned we we drug out peter's thing and re retread that we did that recently with the second

we did that recently with the second and not impeachment trial i'm starting to forget what's gone on the last four years which is probably good I'm starting to forget what's gone on in the last four years, which is probably good. I'm trying to forget it. Yeah, I'm trying. I'm like, never mind. So I wrote Kevin Sullivan on LinkedIn who wrote the book Trump on Trial. And I wrote him and I said, hey, we just rebranded the book and not rebranded, but retreaded the book for the second trump on trial i said since you guys wrote the first one you're probably gonna do the second one so i've got a title for

you trump on trial part coup oh all right you know instead of see i was actually gonna go a serious title like double jeopardy but okay but yeah absolutely i'll i do that part two yeah yeah instead of part two, part two. And he laughed. He thought it was funny. He was real nice. Part two, electric boogaloo. Yeah.

But it's the same ending. Two different movies. Same ending. Exactly. Yeah. Exactly. I was telling somebody the other day that, you know, part of being in charge of a cult means never having to say you're responsible.

Exactly. Exactly. I'm up here in Utah. We got the Mormon cult. They're not responsible for anything, especially in them damn kids. I was in the store the other night, and these kids are running around. And you're just like, hey, man, can you get the kid away from me? He's scaring me.

It's just amazing. Look, if you don't have more kids, then you can corral and control. You know what I mean? That's my thinking. But there's this it's just amazing look if you can't don't have more kids then you can corral and control you know what i mean that's my thinking but there's that so anyway i i have kids are kids are fun for other people i guess so let's get back to your podcast so you've been doing it for quite a long time you've you guys are probably just funny as crap over there right oh my god one thing i will say when we talk on clubhouse a lot of people are asking for tips on podcasting and the tip i first give people is well first of all get yourself a professor and have them be your co-host and have them be completely different

from you see the world completely different from you but at the same time be your tv twin which is what she dubbed us and we just so much is about chemistry and i don't understand what kind of weird magic happened when we found each other because we actually found each other via anchor we she was she would do these mediascope brief things and i responded to one of the stories that she was doing and we had a back and forth exchange that kind of got not heated but pretty intense and people were commenting on the exchange and so she messaged me immediately on Twitter saying we need to do something and I'm like all right so we brainstormed came up with the TV channeling thing and I have not looked back I've absolutely enjoyed working with somebody who is so much fun.

And she doesn't laugh at all my jokes, which people feel like, oh, well, that's part of the chemistry. She doesn't think everything you say is funny. I'm like, well, I think it's wrong. But, yes, it is a key component to our chemistry. I laugh at all your jokes, Kevin. I always think you're funny. But that's why there is no room you can put up that I will not wander into eventually but that's why we don't share a podcast we don't have any simponico because i'm not the opposite of whatever her thing is yeah no she again yeah she is a she is a media professor

and i learned my podcasting on the streets there you go there is street savvy hip yeah so what do you guys talk about on the show what's the tv channeling seems kind of indicative but to give us some more insight okay well we actually we do really in-depth television reviews where we go in just we're both such nerds we both love tv it would be kind of an insult to our parents to say we were raised by TV, but TV was definitely our nanny. And so we go back far with television. In fact, to introduce ourselves to our listeners, because I remember thinking, well, why would anybody listen to us and our thoughts on TV? Let's basically put out our TV resume. So our first episode was our top five favorite shows of all time.

And since that seemed too highbrow, our second episode was our, what was it called? Guilty Pleasures, our top five TV guilty pleasures. And what speaks to the chemistry I feel of the show is I was really digging deep and giving real answers of like things that I'm embarrassed that I have enjoyed watching. Whereas my co-host, there's a part of the show where she's one of her guilty pleasures is a show about some kid where the kid basically it's a it's a show about a kid who's right. Loves music and she writes songs. I'm like, wait a minute. I just confess to watching Dating Naked. And your confession is that you watch a show about a kid

who loves music you got tricked into that one but i got absolutely she's like well that you that's you who just revealed that that's not about me oh yes it is that is not a guilty pleasure it's not a guilty pleasure it's not gonna tell your deep darkest secret that she likes watching archie bunker or something yeah so i yeah I absolutely do that so we we do on all kinds of things one of the things we do we do top five list and we've had some crazy top five lists we have and we have a lot of guests and so we did we had two different actors one is from the show Bosh Bosh oh Bosh Bosh one of the actors is from the show Bosh. And we had him on and we did top five TV characters you would not want to be quarantined with. That show was an absolute blast.

And so then we got such a great response from that episode. I thought, well, how can we do it again? And we loved the chemistry with the two guests we had was so amazing. How can we repeat it? So I said, well, we could do top five characters we'd want to be quarantined with but wouldn't it just be people we want to have sex with and then everybody was like no kevin that's just you all right well let's do the episode and so so we ended up doing it and had even more fun the second time around that's's pretty cool. The guy from Bosch, he wasn't the police commissioner dude, was he?

The actor's name is Andre Lyons, I think. He has this crazy voice. I can't. I feel really. I should have mentioned it without having his stats right in front of me because I'm really bad about names. Come prepare for the show, Kevin, for Jesus Christ. I know. I feel really bad about names come prepare for the show kevin for jesus christ i know i feel really bad about this and so people should punish me by uh liking uh and subscribing to my podcast

that'll show me that'll teach me there you go yeah i'm not sure if it's the same guy there's there's a guy who's on bosh who's the police commissioner and he has this voice that's zavala on destiny the game the video game and i've played destiny since 2014 so the first time i was watching bosh and i heard the voice and i'm like what the fuck that's zavala from destiny it's like really and it's really weird because his face is different than zavala's and you're used to seeing the zavala character in the game and yeah the voice is coming out of a different face you're just like having a meltdown bosh is a fun show though we had who is the author that we had we had the guy who wrote uh a lot of the early bosh stuff or at least he converted it because it it comes from what's his face's books and it was

i believe it was daniel pine i think daniel pine he wrote a book called water memory thriller by daniel pine if i recall rightly let me cue this and hopefully i don't get audio okay and as you say that i can basically say the actor's name is actually antonio david lions and also the other act actress we had on on that episode is michelle miller so i'm sorry they are they are amazing their imdb pages are like insane so you guys are great i am just bad with remembering names no problem i'm the same way i i think of people's i i go off of people's avatars and their faces i'm a face guy i forget a lot of names bob so what else do you know about your incredible podcast do you do you do

basically review tv shows where you're like a new one comes out and you're like uh thumbs up you guys are like what are those two movie guys the thumbs up exactly roger ebert and g oh my god i grew up with them absolutely admired them so much and so basically it is kind of that flavor we we actually talk about news about what's going on in the entertainment world and our thoughts on it and we go into way too much you know detail and pick things apart and we do get some like people aren't always happy i actually got a producer of a television show came for me on twitter which the funny thing is i know i was supposed to feel bad about it but i was like oh my god i can't believe the producer of the kids are all right is attacking me viciously on twitter

and he sent his like his fans after me i mean he literally sent the fans after me and what was so amazing was if i feel like i'm a good person because i was super zen because i did not send all people that are fans of actual funny comedies after him because those people are legion compared to his fans but i didn't i was classy about the whole thing and it was like right at the thanksgiving holiday and i was like actually oh my god what are you most thankful for the fact that this producer came for me and the funny thing is he actually produced one of the things that one of the shows we raked over the coals the hardest was a show called Imaginary Mary. And the amazing thing is he didn't even know about that review.

And he attacked me for something I said about the show. The kids are all right. And just anyway, it was amazing. So, yeah, we do in-depth reviews of actual shows. And it took us a while to get traction, actually get like media credentials, because now we actually get screeners ahead of time. So we can actually digest something and then talk about it after a while, as opposed to talking about it the day after it aired or something, which is amazing now. So you guys get the screeners, huh? We're getting screeners now, which is a game changer.

But the funny thing about the screener thing that I didn't understand, which is, I guess this is probably how people who do like recap stories. I used to always wonder, how do they like knock this out so quickly? Because we get emails all the time saying, hey, screeners are available for Law & Order SVU. I'm like, that show's been on for 20 something years who's who's reviewing that we review new shows but we did come up with a new segment because we're like okay how can we find a way to talk about something that's been out for a while so i came up with this concept of hype worthy where

tachi and i discuss a show that's gotten tons of tons of hype tons and tons of attention and say did this show actually deserve all the accolades it's been getting and we pick it apart there you go that's really funny I guess you're you're finally made now that you've pissed off a Hollywood producer honestly that's how I felt when it happened I was like I was like brushing away a tear like I was a beauty pageant contestant who just won. Oh, my God. Finally got validated. I got validated with hatred and vitriol.

Yeah. So there's a list of people that you need to go pick a fight with just so you can add to this list and validate yourself even more. You need to see. I'm pulling up this year. Justin Bieber. You get in a fight with Justin Bieber. Evidently. Alec Baldwin.

You've got to get in a fight with Alec Baldwin. You're just not going to be legitimate until you get in some sort of altercation. You know what? The next time he has a new show, then we'll definitely go after him. Just go tell him this character on snl of trump was shit and oh my okay are we going to go there because i did not like his trump at all i didn't either i didn't either after a while i got used to it but but yeah i i didn't either and to be honestly it was such a crutch that they would not get the cast members are supposed to be

well-rounded when they have to go outside of the actual cast to do these figures they're going to have to do all the time, it just feels you're not casting your show right, Lauren Michaels. Why is it you don't have somebody on staff who can do Trump? Why don't you have an actress who can do, what's her name, the vice president? Whose name is this? So Kamala Harris. It just seems crazy you have to reach into outside the show to get people to do this it just doesn't feel right to me

yeah and the other person you need to get you need to get in a fight with that's uh famous for that is who is who's sean penn you need to get a fight with sean penn oh my god well anyway honestly everybody gets in a fight with sean penn it's very easy to get into a fight with sean penn oh my god well anyway honestly everybody gets in a fight with sean penn it's very easy to get into a fight with sean penn but just to be clear so i want to mislead people we don't go after people just to go after them our reviews are honest and we love we love tv when we love stuff we love it up it literally i i might have to reach for like lotion that's how much some of these shows i love but wait what what kind of shows are you watching it's an only fans channel are you reviewing only fan shows okay let's just let's keep it moving but anyway

you just said there was lube involved you're either on you porn tv or you're on only fans what's going on there but well anyway i have i have a colorful past see this this should be your third podcast you can expand into one way if i don't should i go there with this on this my first solo interview i don't to my no to my knowledge there is no rating service or rating cisco and eber for only fans it's time that moment has come and presented itself well i think that i think the rating system is money or no money isn't it if you're like when you're making money you're doing well if you're not making money you're not i think it's dollar up dollar down one dollar two dollars you don't afford over five dollar

so that's what i've heard from you about that i have never actually personally visited that site but i've just i've just heard things about it you've had a lot of good things to say about it which is really interesting it's a favorite it's my favorite thing to go to because for a while there, like it was in the news and like some gals like making a million dollars a day or a month or some shit on it. And while they're like during the beginning of the coronavirus, like every woman I know is like joining and they're like, we're broke.

We're out of a job. Only fans. Ah. And it just became like a thing, like, like clubhouses. and you're like, do I need to go there and join? Because everyone's joining there.

Suddenly everyone I know had a club or an OnlyFans account, and I'm just like, do I have FOMO? Your fear of missing out on stripping for strangers. And then somebody said they were putting their podcasts over there and

i'm like way way woo woo yeah yeah there's people using it for podcasts i need deets on how you do a fan i don't i don't know i don't know but i heard about it and i was like fuck do i got to go open the chris fosh show thing over here let's let's pull this up. Only Fans Podcast. Podcasters on Only Fans. Influencer Trends. This is in July 30th, 2020. And this is a blog on Only Fans. Oh, so are they interviewing the women that are doing the best or something?

Let's see. Legion of Skanks, Tuesdays of Stories. Evidently there's a couple people that are they basically have a blog post here that's saying, podcasters, come to OnlyFans. And you can basically charge

people for podcasts. To be fair, honestly i guess i i made the assumption from what i've heard that only fans was just about people taking off their clothes and inserting things for money and so how would you know that i guess i'd heard that from you and so i learned from you like you've never heard only fans me. We'll give a plug out to these guys. Tuesdays with Stories is a weekly podcast hosted by New York comedians Mark Normand and Joe List. As the name suggests, every Tuesday they share an amusing story from their colorful lives and discuss current events, sometimes bringing in additional comedian friends from New York's stand-up scene.

They do this show exclusively, exclusively on OnlyFans. So you can go on OnlyFans and meet a really nice person that you might be attracted to. I think that covers the whole basis. Yeah. And while you're doing that, while you're watching them dance on a stripper pole, you could be catching your podcast updates. Wow. Well, I can't think of any sentence that's more sex positive than Legion of Skanks. Legion of Skanks.

Another creation of a New York stand piece. I wonder if these guys are getting paid for this. Can you imagine if this turned into like a thing site? We're all on there like Apple, only it's only fans. Yeah. were all on there like apple only it's a only fans yeah and i wonder if they i wonder if they actually do stuff to actually get a little bit more money from the listeners what are they what are they wearing as they're recording is i have questions the pictures they show that they're just like dudes and they're they're just trying to do whatever is there what's the only what's the other porn hub site isn't that the big site don't know. I haven't heard of it exactly.

Uh-huh. Yeah. Pornhub for podcasts. This is what we're doing, man. We're just turning this show into a... I know. It's taking a dangerous turn. It's like, while I'm doing this, can you check your Grindr account?

See if there's a thing for podcasts on there. What the hell is this poor podcast porn videos watch podcast porn videos for free on porn hub i'm not going to click that well what's probably going to happen well i guess what you could probably would that site would actually lend itself to is how YouTube is littered with like reaction videos where people are watching the latest Marvel trailer and commenting on it. Can you imagine as guys are actually on fans only watching? I don't know. Somebody enter the champagne room and then doing a quote unquote blow by blow-by-blow description of the events that are taking place yeah you just give me an idea for a show but there actually is something called the porn hub podcast why am i not getting paid for this like a sponsorship the porn hub podcast with

asa akira podcast so there's actually somebody So there's actually somebody doing a podcast on Pornhub. So, see, it's everywhere. And she's an author, poet. She's a fucking poet, goddammit. And recipient. Take that, Maya Angelou's ghost. I got to read this. The Pornhub Podcast with Asa Akira.

You can find her on Pornhub. Join the author, poet, and recipient of two penises in her butt at the same time. That's actually the bio. That's in the bio? Yeah. Google it. Her mom must be so proud. Well, I don't have a joke for that.

I actually do have a joke for that, but I'm just going to leave that one. That one's going to be put in the little quiet box and move to the side okay yeah you can you can make your own mom jokes of that one but but yeah wow man who knew clearly we're underserving yeah i feel really bad that that is that is one of the the platforms that none of my shows are on fans only. But I may have to rectify that. You may have to rectify something. Rectify something. So let's try and turn the ship.

Turn the ship. You've done that before for me whenever things get weird. Yes, when it goes off too far off course. Try to turn the ship back to where it was so anything more we need to know about your guys's podcast what you do it sounds like you got some celebrities and stuff on there that's well yeah we've had some really interesting people on we had the mom from family matters who was shocked i was absolutely her name is joe marie payton and i was shocked at the career she's had and the people that she's been in contact with and her career has touched

so it's kind of amazing some people that you don't really have any idea how how deep that water is until you start interviewing them and we interviewed this guy troy devault who is one of the producers of the original producers of the real world a producer of the bachelor producer of basketball wives dancing with the Stars. And that interview was so much fun. We had him back. But the after, just us talking, he gave even more dirt and was just for someone like me who loves like behind the scenes machinations and about why somebody leaves the show. And I love all that kind of stuff.

And he gave so much so much my heart was full after that interview there you go there you go was there lube involved in that one there was no lube involved in that i do want to give some love to last weekly as well because last weekly we really go into everything because the problem was honestly i love tv channeling so much talking about the world of entertainment but as honestly as our country got crazier and crazier i got frustrated about the fact that there was no way i tried to find creative ways to get stories about other things that were bothering me into under the umbrella of tv channeling but it was like getting really hard. And I thought I need another outlet, because one of the things that I got from Anchor was when you have people that kind of can that feel the way you feel or an outlet to kind of vent. And the the day after Trump's election, having that having people to talk to and having people that could hear and vent with and understood the gravity of what was just happening.

That was amazing. And so I kind of wanted to give that in a bigger scale by doing a podcast like last weekly where I feel like I could be more of who I am because believe me, I like to have fun i love to laugh but there's also serious things happening in the world that when people use that term woke what's so crazy to me about the term woke is like how can you still be asleep with everything that's happening around you you can't you can't still be asleep you everybody needs to be woke so or at least to a certain extent i know how hard you're hitting the snooze button to sleep through what's been going on in our country for the last four years but anyway so i created last weekly to be able to talk about anything and so what we kind of do is we go through the week in pop culture news and entertainment and whatever is most passionate the co-host and i feel we go in on those subjects and talk about them and i'm really proud of some of the shows we put out as

far as we've got real i'm proud of all of them but like your kids but i do have some kids that are better than the other kids and our george floyd episode i'm so proud of that and the what my co-hosts the when we came together and what we talked about in that episode just really moved me and a lot of people i got such good feedback about that episode that's pretty awesome dude george floyd the i would watch that show i would on onlyfans.com oh my god i look forward to you uh giving us some coins yeah they well you have something there's lube it's funny as you you were mentioning earlier

about the people who do those reaction videos has anyone ever done like a porn reaction video that's what i was talking that's what i was saying that's that's what i'm saying that's exactly what i thought i would assume they'd be doing there and he's okay he's thrusting in now and i oh he's going back out is that oh no he's going back in he's going back out. Is that? Oh, no, he's going back in. He's going back in. 100-year-old grandma watches Two Girls and a Cup for the first time. One of the things that the biggest show this past year was Bridgerton. And because of COVID, families were stuck together at home. And I don't know if you've heard of Bridgerton or know anything about it, but that show has a lot of thrusting. Oh, is this the one that made the news news it's kind of like semi-porn it's 50 shades of gray kind of yes and

so it was it was amazing to me how many families were what i'm like people were the whole family gathered together at christmas because it dropped on christmas day watching this i just i needed to be a fly on the wall if anybody okay there was something that one of the most brilliant things I ever saw on YouTube was when Game of Thrones had the Red Wedding episode, people who read the books knew it was coming. So they basically were filming their friends and relatives who were all gathered around the TV watching all the Bridgerton thrusting. I need those videos. I need that to happen quickly. That's something you can put on OnlyFans.com. I can just see 100-year-old grandma.

She's watching that show for the first time. She's like, oh, my God. Oh, dear. watching that show for the first time she's oh my god oh dear but what's funny that's one thing that whenever they like a commercial does like an old quote-unquote old person as if it's always like the same kind of old person it's always like the grandma from oh god the cartoon uh tweety bird and sylvester and granny that kind of but grandma now was like at Woodstock dancing topless. So I think that she'll be able to handle a little bit of thrust. I mean, on TV, on TV, I can see the three-year-old kid going in. Mommy, what's thrusting?

Yeah. That reminds me of the time that I was like, I think I was like 17 or 18. And my girlfriend and I would write each other in high school love letters back and forth and stuff. And my mom, who's Mormon, found one. And she waited until I was in the car with her. So there was like no escape. No getaway. There's no getaway.

We were like, hey, I think I'm going to answer that phone over there. I think something's cooking in the oven or something. And so I'm sitting there in the car.'s driving me somewhere so she has total control of everything and she goes so what's getting laid mean oh my god i was like where did you hear that she goes i found one of your letters to your girlfriend oh shit my mom's voice sounds nothing like that by the way i don't know her voice is her voice is being replaced to protect the innocent clearly yeah you should be a voice you should be a voice actor that was amazing the transformation yeah yeah i i really felt it i just embodied it and i you, you deliver, you delivered. I was right in here. It was a Grammy fucking moment.

And I changed her name too. I didn't, I used a different mom. Oh, okay. So that protect the innocent. And you got to have that disclosure in the movie where it's the names have been changed.

Like drag dance did in a story. So it wasn't, I, when I said mom, I was referring to a fictitious someone else's mom yeah not my mom per se but as never mind so let's talk a little bit about clubhouse as we round out the show what do you think about clubhouse what's the future is there a future and all that good shit or uh well i think that there's definitely a future in what clubhouse is giving the question is does that future include clubhouse

because there's twitter spaces is on the horizon facebook has is it called hearth or fireside or something like that so there's they're definitely going to be copycats the question is will they be able to take down the juggernaut that is clubhouse and i absolutely think that's possible depending on what they offer in fact i just filled out my application to be a beta tester for clubhouse for uh a beta tester for twitter spaces so if they basically do what clubhouse does and gives you give you the ability to record in app i will be vapor i will be there in a heartbeat making episodes of last weekly and tv channeling i i don't know man twitter's such a dead fucking zone that's it's really it's just the ass end of the world still a clown car i don't know how i

feel about all that stuff they're trying to do all this copycat stuff it's they've waited too long and everyone's beating them to market with so many different ideas and now they're playing catch up it's like when linkedin still doesn't have live video but they came with that sad story copy shit it's like seriously you're okay but you know what but here's the here's the opening that that that's been left. A, there is the record feature. But bigger than that is Clubhouse is only available for people that have iOS. Still. Yeah. Still. And so more than half the world, I'm an iOS person.

You'll take my Apple products from my cold, dead hands. But the rest of the world doesn't feel – No one's going to take your Apple products from your cold, dead hands, buddy. No one wants them. Wait, wait. No, but other people around the world don't feel that way. 25% of the world. And so if Twitter Spaces comes out of the gate quickly and it's available to everyone and they already have Twitter, I think they could basically get some real traction pretty quickly.

Maybe. I heard they were going to try doing communities and groups too and try and copy face it's just too late they've already jumped the shark twitter was dying before donald trump became president i predict it's gonna slowly wither away a little bit i don't know that it'll fully die it's always gonna be good for news but that's really what twitter is for news and it's just so fucking toxic and trolls it's just total trolls thank god clubhouse hasn't gotten there yet although i seem there seem to be a fucking screaming karen's running around now they're causing problems but yeah the i don't know man i don't know i i have a good friend julie albright who's really smart she wrote a book i

think she nailed it on the head the other day. She said, Clubhouse is a lockdown app. I think that was the perfect description. We're seeing now that the landscape of Clubhouse is changing where I used to go in and it would be like 10, 12 rooms. And I was in like 50 groups. And there would just be these five power groups that rooms that were filled with shit and now when i go in especially over the last week or two there's a hundred rooms and it's just people doing it's just people doing 10 to 20 20 to 60 people you know kind of like we always do where it's just a nice serendipitous room there's a little bit going on and and everyone's talking getting to know each other and some people are

hanging out it's it's kind of like i don't know hanging at the pool or hall or the bar i guess technically well i've never actually i don't really get what people get out of those really big rooms i've gone into some of the really big rooms with the really big people and i just feel like what am i getting from this that i wouldn't get from watching an interview anywhere else with this person other than the fact that i'm here the idea that i might get chosen to ask a question is i guess appealing but not when the room has say 5 000 people the odds i guess it's one in 5 000 that you get picked but for the most part a lot of times they're not even taking questions or they're taking questions where you actually send the questions via instagram and then they read the

question so i just feel like i don't get what people get out of it i like the smaller rooms because you can actually interact if you're there to actually interact with people and have conversations, I was in a room with you where we were talking with somebody that was in India, someone that was in like Barcelona, someone who was in Australia, all at the same time. And you're in the middle of the country. I'm on the West Coast. That is what the world is a smaller place when you use something like an app like clubhouse i absolutely love that and i don't know what's going to happen with clubhouse as far as they can't even get their act together with the amount of servers they have there's so many technical issues where you can't even get into rooms and so that's why i feel like the door is open for twitter or for

facebook or somebody to get in there and do it better maybe facebook.twitter twitter has always been a clown car that crashes success it's one of the most poorly run companies i think ever jack needs to move on let somebody who's a professional run that thing who's not sitting around in some island somewhere sucking coconut water or whatever he's doing, cucumber water. That's his thing. And doing, I don't know, whatever people do with Buddha or whatever the hell he's up to. He always looks like a homeless guy and I'm not knocking homeless people, but yeah, he looks like a homeless outfitter outfitted him. I think Facebook would be the one people who might be

able to pull it off, but I don't know. You get the marketers to come first there's i i do a lot of events and shows when we're not in a pandemic so south by southwest cs nav show cda there's lots of different shows that i do and when you do those shows there's always the speaker gallery or areas and like southwest there's like a whole wing of the i think it's the second floor and you can you can go wander around which ones you like you can wander in the room see who's on the dais if you like it and wander to the next one next door and and that's basically what those big rooms are they're like they're like people who want to learn some stuff and there's really good people on most of the day.

They're all pretty legit. I've had people ring me up and be like, they ring me up and they go, are you sure so-and-so is a millionaire? I'm like, why don't you Google him? But the way I'm hearing they're talking and they're professional and I've run successful businesses. I'm not hearing any weird vibe from them that i'm just like what i think the weirdest thing i ever heard but this is from someone who came up on stage this wasn't from a moderator or run over room but somebody came up on stage and they're like what's your millionaire secret mr pop on stage person and she's like she's like the way to successful business guaranteed

is you got to pick the right colors on your business card and logo like wow all these years of sweat equity blood sweat and tears are creating businesses trying to make a fucking profit and shit and i just had to pick the right goddamn colors what do i know but you hear something like that and they go honey you've never built a multi-million dollar business like it doesn't you can take a dump on the cards it's not gonna fucking matter it's well as far as the idea of it being a pandemic app i think the pandemic is absolutely the key to its growth at just lightning speed but i don't think it's gonna go away because even after the pandemic i think the the the the the instantaneous gratification anytime you can have a room with people from

all around the world anytime i think it's going to be a paired kind of thing where people are going to have events like south by southwest i think clubhouse will be a part of it or some clubhouse like thing will be a part of just something that's always going on. It's going to always be a part of it. I don't think it's going to completely be replaced because you can't – everybody isn't going to be able to fly everywhere for every event. And so by being able to have these virtual gatherings, there's something about that instantaneous – there's something about that late-nightness, too, that kind of feeling of intimacy and yet publicness at the same time. Those two things are two great tastes that taste great together.

Yeah, it'll see. But, yeah, there's definitely so many rooms. Like today, actually the last few days, I've been going in and hopping just in the small rooms, saying hello, picking up some followers, hop to the next one. I'm just like a little whore, hopping rooms and stuff, seeing what's interesting, getting people to see me, getting me to see them. And it's kind of fun, actually, because you're just like, it's kind of like just opening doors. You ever seen those movies or TV shows where there's like a hallway of doors? Yes.

And you can go wander into each one and see something different. But I will say maybe it's just me. I have not. It's just you, actually. I have not had. I've not gone into a lot of rooms that to me were run well, where they were entertaining to listen to for any length of time. A lot of them aren't meant to be entertaining. They're informative and kind of a lot of them a lot of them aren't meant to be entertaining they're informative and kind of

a lot of real serious business stuff so i i kind of i find them good but when i do come on stage or they ask me to speak i try and funny it up and liven up their room yeah i don't know i need some entertainment value i need someone who's going to keep it moving so even if it's a serious subject when someone is struggling or whatever to make their point or whatever, to be like, all right, you know what? Why don't you refine that point and we'll come back to you and let's go on to somebody else. Keep the room moving. I don't know if it's because of my love of radio, but the dead air, when there's a room and there's just these long, awkward silences, I just feel like, okay, somebody get in there and get control of this room yeah i don't know i think every room is different they have like little different formats they have

like different feels to them different vibes the different vibes and so it really just comes down to that vibe and ours is always goofing off and having fun and being stupid telling jokes and stuff so it just depends on what the vibe is but you know you just kind of go with your mood sometimes my mood is let's go with uh something really fun sometimes you you want to hear some serious stuff but i like the big rooms that are that are business and stuff like that business personal stuff i like those it's definitely fun for me so anything more you want to plug about clubhouse other than basically yeah you can follow me kevin williams look for look for the gnome and that having a little bit of an issue and throwing up

a rainbow and and i'd love to interact with you the rainbow puking gnome i love that gnome no dude you're you're so funny you're like one. You're seriously the funniest person, the smartest guy. Anytime we get in a jam on the dais, I'm like, throw it to Kevin, man. That question goes to him. It goes weird. I think I can tell this story. I think I can tell this story. Wait, does this involve Eric Everhart?

No, but Eric's been on the show. And I was actually on one of his deuses today. And so Eric's really funny. Eric, for those of you in the background, you can see the show. He's got a book. We did a show with Eric Everhard. He's one of the top porn stars, retired now 20 years. But he has a book.

He has a professional coaching series. He's like a professional coach only with your dick so i'm gonna have to send him that joke so today him and rachel star i think it is and a few other people from the industry real professional running a professional room over there but they're talking about sex and what people like and of course they've got books and products they're pitching or not they're pitching, but you provide value, people. So they ask everybody. They go, I think the question that was going around the room was,

in the bedroom with your lover, are you a little bit more passive or are you kind of animalistic aggressive? And they came around to me and I was like, well, I just recently became a vegan so i'm not animalistic in bed i'm veganistic in bed so usually when i have my lover in bed i'm usually throwing around on a bunch of kale uh broccoli and uh tofu okay i thought i thought there was i thought we were getting into a cucumber or zucchini joke but all right you know i i i left i left the best part of that joke off didn't i exactly when i go when i start writing comedy kevin i'm taking you with me

oh my god yeah what will be a dangerous duo yeah so i had a lot of fun in fact they were going around the room and they said what's the what's your favorite thing to do when you're in the bedroom or what what's your what's your position or something? Something like that. Like, what position do you like to do in the bedroom? And they went around the room and they go, so what's your favorite thing to do in the bedroom or position, Chris? I'm like, alone. Oh, my God.

Okay. This will kind of fit in. I used to write an advice column a long time ago and somebody wrote to me a question about being in a three-way relationship. And so I said, I don't know if I'm the right person to ask this question to, because when it comes to finding a soulmate, I'm still at the bachelor's level. But when it comes to a lot of time studying i have mastered that whole bastion thing so yeah probation i've mastered that whole bastion the whole bastion thing so i see putting those two together you cut yes then you got a joke i get it i get it let me i'm going to draw that out for people so you take the

master part this is like english remember how you would put the little slashes yes so you would know so that's how it works that was funny it was deep thick and didn't even mean to start i like my i like my entendres doubled exactly or tripled if there's if there's a third twin so anything more as we go out kevin well again i i have had so much fun i i enjoy your show i'm actually a a long-time listener first time guest and hope to be a guest again i i want to i want to be your what's her name on the d list what's her name oh kathy griffin where basically when anybody like drops out at the last minute all of a sudden it's and kathy griffin's here because somebody else dropped out

so yeah when when people drop when all those authors on the bestseller list drop off when they leave you alone that you give me a call and i will be here in a hurry yeah i mean we can do that you got to show up with the pink freaky weird hair and the yeah well i'll work on that yeah apparently uh puking a rainbow isn't enough for you anymore all right it's not but if you're gonna if you're gonna channel the the kathy griffin you got to bring the fucking crazy, man. Oh, well, I meant channeling her as in just being available because that's what she does. That's how she gets on so many talk shows is just she's there when some guest backs out.

So I was willing to do that. I don't know if I'm willing to change hair colors. Except for CNN now. Oh, yeah. All right. So I guess I will end it the way you're supposed to end it with all so many plugs so again the the podcast are tv channeling it's a tv in-depth television review and entertainment podcast search for us uh on your favorite podcast app or go directly to tvchanneling.com

the same is true for last weekly we cover the news uh the week in in entertainment and news and pop culture. Look for us. Go to lastweekly.com or search for us on your favorite podcast app. And also you can follow us on social media, Twitter, and on Instagram. We are at lastweekly and at TV channeling. Check him out, guys. I've spent a lot of hours with Kevin in Clubhouse. He's funny as heck, and he's whipping freaking sharp.

When I go dull, it's like, just tag team Kevin. Bring Kevin in. So awesome sauce. Anyway, guys, thanks to Kevin for coming on the show and spending time with us. We certainly appreciate it. This is probably one of the funnest episodes I've done in a while. I know. I had fun.

It's probably going to get banned because we've had youtube you can find us on on on only fans if we get back i was just gonna say youtube's gonna be like you you mentioned only fans way too many times demonetized demonetized oh it's funny as they tried to demonetize eric everhart's uh appearance in the chris foss show and his book well they anything with swear words the f word too many times gets demonetized or limited, they call it, which basically means no one's seeing your shit in search. But I fought with them and argued with them about it, and they

relented. They backed down? I don't know why they backed down. I've argued with them quite a bit about stuff. I'm like, you guys really have a double standard. I'll go find the video that's just like mine, and I'll be like, that video's worse. What like this isn't i'll go find the video that's just like mine and i'll be like that video is worse what the hell and they'll be like oh you got a pointer have they given you an actual is there an actual number because please share it i need to hear this you just when you're fighting with them over the no i'm saying is there an

actual number of do they say okay you can have this many per half hour they don't tell you that they're just like whatever they did say. It's just super arbitrary. And that's comforting. Yeah. It's really messed up. They actually tell you that you need to upload your video and let it cook for two or three hours without publishing it. So that their little ad machine can go through and be like, he did the effort too many times.

And then you can appeal it and it goes to some dude who's in a room somewhere who hates his life and he's living on big macs or something and some incel somewhere or something i don't know where it goes and and then you hope that he will approve it and i was actually having a problem where uh a couple of people like the trump on trial book they denied the they denied the monetization on it and i'm like this clearly was a trumper who looked at this now do they tell you why when they when they send you that it's demonetized because what was they give you like a general they give you like a general thing they're like oh this is just not good for advertisers so with the trump on trial thing and i think there was something else i fought the hell i i got on my studio line with youtube and i was like what the

fuck and and then i showed him how this book is just the same as that one it's on the impeachment you you let this one go that one go this is the washington post that one. It's on the impeachment. You let this one go. That one go. This is the Washington Post. The authors came on. They were the co-editors of the Washington Post, Mary Jordan and Mr. Williams. These guys are reputable people.

I'm the one swearing on the show. They're like being professional. And I'm like, come on, man. And so they actually pulled the gimme. They went back and looked at it. I'm'm like you guys got to fix this crap because some guy who just doesn't like somebody politically they can't be doing this stuff that's bs now do they give you one last question do they give you the ability to let's say that they have a problem with it and so can you edit out can you bleep out yeah the curse words and then it's good? Is that what the argument was?

You could. You could take down the video and go cut it up and then resubmit it. I think there's an editing feature. You go cut it up, but it's just monstrously arduous. And if you swear a lot. Yeah, I've had some videos where I've gone on rants. I tried doing years ago a rant series where i would get on every day and ran about whatever there was to ran about there was a couple of them that were funny the funniest one was the

first one i did and it killed and people like you gotta do more i was like okay and then after that they were just weren't as funny but i did this thing that i really intend to be funny but i wanted i was in a vegas walmart like in the middle of the night so it's like 2 or 3 a.m no one no one's around and i'm trying to buy shampoo now i'm a guy i'm i'm already greasy enough like i don't need an oily shampoo i just need sham fucking poo and i'm a guy and i'm used to buying shampoo. And I can't use conditioner shampoo because it really screws up my hair. So it has to be just plain shampoo. That's all I want.

I don't want smells. I don't want oils. I don't want butterflies. I don't want fucking blueberries. I just want shampoo. I don't want to smell like anything when I'm done. I don't want to be walking around going did i make out with a sergey whatever like what's going on here i don't remember being on grinder i thought that was kevin's thing

and so my first and last appearance on the chris vosh yeah yeah well you know do you want to give out your handle anyway callbacks so i did this whole bit and i videotaped it and on facebook live and it didn't i didn't really have a bit in my head. I was just like, where the fuck is the goddamn just plain shampoo? And I showed the whole aisle that they have of all the shampoos. And I'm pulling shit off the aisle. And it's, oh, here's the pot. Clean your hair because you smoke too much pot shampoo.

Here's the fucking blueberry shampoo. Here's the plum shampoo. Here's the plum shampoo here's the fucking strawberry what the fuck it's like a whole goddamn it's like a whole goddamn fruit thing in the aisle in the fucking produce aisle and i'm like filming all over and i'm like i cannot find fucking just fucking shampoo and so i'm just going on like that and finally i'm i'm like going down the whole thing i'm like what the hell is this for there's like moisturizing non-moisturizing shampoo like what what the fuck is that i'm just breaking down all these stupid shampoos that are on the market which and i'm like looking to the back i'm like this this one pretty much has the same ingredients

as that one i think that these are all the same shampoos. They're just putting different labels. Different fragrance. That's different fragrances. Put a little fragrant in there and stuff, and there you go. And so finally at the bottom, I find just plain shampoo. And it's like just one brand. It's like Paton or something like that.

And I'm like, thank God, plain shampoo. It was funny as shit. People loved it. They killed over it. And they're like, you need to do more of. It was funny as shit. People loved it. They killed over it, and they're like, you need to do more of this. So I tried to do this rant series, and I don't know. It didn't work, but I would do a lot of F-bombs in it, and YouTube would go, nope, not happening. So that's a hell of a way to wrap the end of the show.

It took a turn. It took a turn. Anyway, yeah, no shampoo sponsorships for you yeah that's i've clearly run off the the head and shoulders crowd so there you go anyway guys thanks for tuning in thanks to kevin for being here you guys plugs uh go see mine at facebook instagram linkedin twitter and it seems like i'm forgetting something that's about it and go see clubhouse with Kevin. Hang out.

If you see the two of us in a room, you should go in there and stay in there because it's going to be goddamn funny. And that's the truth. Anyway, guys, stay safe. Wear your mask. We'll see you next time.