The Chris Voss Show - The Chris Voss Show Podcast – Kingdom Come (Birth of the Fae Book 4) Kindle Edition by Danielle M. Orsino

Episode Date: May 26, 2022

Kingdom Come (Birth of the Fae Book 4) Kindle Edition by Danielle M. Orsino All is peaceful in the Veil, which is usually when everything falls apart... Queen Aurora of the Court of Light and King Jarvok of the Court of Dark have fallen in love despite all odds. A relationship of political convenience has turned into something real and tangible for the two monarchs. After centuries of conflict and mistrust, the two Courts are about to unite as one: the Court of the Fae. But not every Fae is happy about the impending union. Queen Aurora's most trusted advisors have never lost touch with their old Angelic ways. These bishops still believe that Virtues and Power Angels were never meant to mix. According to them, Queen Aurora is no longer suitable to rule. As they mount a complex coup d'état to grasp the throne, a new threat to the monarchy makes their move. Will the entire foundation of peace crumble with one last act of betrayal? Or will the bond between Court of Light and Dark prevail in the face of danger?

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I already cut that, Fae. Kingdom Come, the birth of the Fae book four, which we're going to fix in editing. She's got four of these books out. We'll be talking to her about her amazing book and the series of what she's taking and doing. She is an amazing author who is a fantasy novelist whose lifelong vision to create whimsical realms that her readers can escape to. Her compelling word weaving pays homage to multiple of personal muses from Chris Claremont and George Perez, both famous comic book writers, to Anne Rice and Wonder Woman. Welcome to the show, Danielle. How are you?

Thank you so much for having me. I'm happy to be here. There you go. I got flipped between the Kindle and the paperback there. They don't have the same data on the paperback. So give us your plugs as to where people can find you on the interwebs. You can always find me on birth of the fay.com on instagram at birth of the fay underscore novel those are great places to find me and you can even find me on this new cool app called bookie call kind of like booty call for books and yeah it's really cool what you can do is you put in your reader profile what you like your fantasy your mystery and then it comes up with book dating uh profiles of these books and then yeah you can like you know kind of scroll right or left and pick your books and i think

it's like it's an awesome new way to find new readers and connects readers with new books and books that they'll love that maybe they wouldn't normally pick up you know everybody's got their thing like maybe you're a george rr mart or, you know, you like Mary Higgins, Clark mysteries. This kind of matches you with what your book profile is. So bookie call it's available through iOS or Android. And now I locked out of heaven. My first book from the birth of the face series is going to be available on

it. So I'm really excited to kind of partner with them and see what new readers I can find and bring into the veil. That's pretty awesome. Like a Tinder for like a Tinder for books. Yeah. You can find the book that you love. I got to get my book on there then. That's pretty brilliant. So let's talk about this new book. It's coming out May 30th, as we mentioned. And what made you want to write this? And how many books are there going to be in the series? I guess there's four now. There's four now. I don't have a definitive ending per se.

I have written all together so far, like in the mix, I have about nine, you know, in editing or in various stages. But I don't sit there and think, oh, I'm going to do 15 or I'm going to do 12. I don't have that planned out right now. I'm just kind of going with the flow because I'm not a classically trained writer. This wasn't something that I was like, oh, I'm definitely going to sit and do this. It just happened. Well, you're doing pretty good. You got four books now.

That's awesome. So let's talk about what's happening in this new book. Give us an overview, if you would. In this book, Kingdom Come, I kind of think of it as if book one was my star wars book two was my empire strikes back things got dark book three was my return of the jedi from the ashes where i gave you a little bit of hope kingdom come i'm gonna burn it all down all through the fae have you know had their happy moment where they think the dark and light fae are going to come together they're going to unite their courts in the court of the fae.

Everybody's going to live happily ever after. Yeah, it's probably not going to go that way. But we have both sides trying to agree on should they unite. And we have a bunch of other fae that are like, yeah, this probably shouldn't happen. And so we have another player entering the monarchy that has decided, I'm going to try to throw a wrench in this whole thing. And we're going to see if King Jarbok, who is the leader of the Dark Fae, and Queen Aurora, leader of the Light Fae,

if their love can really stand this whole overthrowing of power and what it really means to risk for the one you love. The power dynamic is always present in everything. Who are the Fae's? In my world, I've taken the Fae out of the normal Celtic background, which I think we all know. I have made them angels who some got involved in the power struggle between God and Lucifer. Those were the virtue angels.

They did not get involved. They were sent here on Earth to prep it for their creator's next experiment, which was humans. And then I have the power brigade angels who were the foot soldiers of the archangels. They actually fought. They were locked out of heaven. They were the shining kingdom. They don't know why,

but the creator closed the gates. So they became the Fae. What we know as the Fae. And the Fae in my book stands for the Fellowship Ages of Earth. So they became the Fae. And what we know as the Fae. And the Fae in my book stands for the Fellowship Ages of Earth. So it's actually an acronym. And they become our polytheistic gods and goddesses. So they worship them. Oh, wow.

They're Roman, you know, Egyptian, all of that. And they kind of grow with humans. And they take on the acronym of the Fae, the Court of Light, the Court of Dark. So they grow with humans and they take on the acronym of the fey the court of light the court of dark so they grow alongside humans and we see what it's like when you've lost what you know so if you were a virtue angel in this case and your job was to protect nature you no longer had that job you have to start all over again if your identity was wrapped up in it what happens and do you protect those who you love? Or do you get really mad and maybe consolidate power like the Dark Fae do? And so it's that whole dynamic.

And that's who the Fae are. And they're just trying to survive right alongside the humans. So is there a Light and Dark Fae? Yes, there are the Light and the Dark Fae. But they take it as the Light Fae take it as, oh, we're going to bring a new dawn. That's why they kind of take that name. And the Dark Fae take it just to be opposite. They're like, oh, we're going to bring a new dawn. That's why they kind of take that name. And the dark they take it just to be opposite. They're like, oh, you're the light, then we're the dark.

They're just like, oh, okay. We're just, you know, they're just so mad that they take that opposite out of just, we think you had something to do with why we're locked out. Each side doesn't know. So they just go with it.

Is light and dark uh good and evil no that's kind of what's interesting is i don't take it as good or evil it's just more of how they deal with being locked out and it's almost like if you've ever watched two friends argue and you can see both sides to it it's how they both handle it and it's just more of a study on point of view they both they both have the exact same thing happen to them in the sense of the light and dark are both locked out. It happens at the exact same time. There's no warning of it. They both process the information totally differently.

And it goes from there. So you've got four books in the series. And we should mention those of you who are watching on most of the podcasts will get this on audio, but you won't really want to watch the YouTube video. We have Danielle, you know, you're dressed up as one of the characters in the book, correct? Tell us about that. Yes. I'm actually dressed up as Queen Aurora. I have my Queen Aurora crown, which was made for me by Crystal Shop Enchanting Earth in Topeka, Kansas. The owner, Jamie, read the book, The Fertile World Walked Out of Heaven, and then contacted me on Instagram.

And she was like, she loved the book. She loved the use of crystals. And the fact that the crystals were researched very well contacted me and said, you know, we should do something. And she wound up making the crystal crown just like Aurora wears with the angeline disc, the quartz points. And now she actually sells the Aurora crown in her store and on her website. So from there, we just collaborated and I always cosplayed.

So at some point it was like, well, if I'm cosplaying as Wonder Woman and Harley Quinn and going to these cons, I thought I should really cosplay once as my characters. And seeing it helped me with my writing because kind of like Edna Mole in The Incredibles, I figured out, you know, capes are not a good thing to wear when you're fighting. So it helped me with my writing. No capes. They get pulled. So I kind of started dressing up as my characters. One of my editors, Cleet Barrett-Smith, had said the mark of a great fantasy world is to see it feels lived in. And he's like, I can attest that your world feels lived in because you've obviously been there.

So I thought if I'm going to ask other people to come visit it, dressing up is the least I can do. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's great. And it makes you a wonderful emissary for your books, too, as well. I mean, yeah, it's it's about brand identification at some point you know brand identity but at the end of the day i mean i i like dressing up a little bit of sparkle never heard anybody at this day and age that's true i mean the the comic-con age and i've had a lot of friends that go to comic-con and they dress up and they do the whole they do the whole thing that's just stunning i mean the the amount of work that goes into it i've just wanted to go to comic-con but they can never get tickets so much fun it sounds like so much fun i love it i go to new york comic-con every year i've met so many wonderful people i've gone like i said

wonder woman harley quinn cat woman poison ivy that girl i've i've gone to so many characters i have a great time and it's helped me also, like I said, as a writer, you know, dressing up because I get a feel for the character, but even when I'm writing, yeah, it helps me with the costume descriptions. And now I kind of know, you know, that that works, that doesn't work. You know, what is realistic? You know, my dark figure not going to fight in five-inch stiletto boots. It's not going to happen.

And then, did you notice how you kind of grew up and kind of your origin story and kind of what brought you to that point? Evidently, you did some different things as a child, martial arts, nursing career. What were some of the things that led you into what you do? It's funny. My dad has an essay from, I think it's second grade, where I say I want to be a writer after I won a little contest, a writing contest. But then the following week, I think I said I wanted to be Wonder Woman, so go figure on that. I said, you know, you can't really hold that. But I took martial arts young, you know, 18, which isn't from a standpoint of when kids start.

That wasn't all that young, but I wound up competing. And I competed up and down the East Coast 500 tournaments. I represented Team USA at the WKA World Championships. I won a silver medal in women's forms. I did the Super Bowl commercial with The Rock for the WWE, doing martial arts stunts and things like that. I did a lot of fan films for the con circuit doing martial arts and stunt work. I'm in Ed Parker, Ed Brown's martial arts hall of fame. I'm in the world martial art hall of fame. So I did as much as I could do in martial arts. I love it. I was trained with a Sipu Vincent Lin who was

Jackie Chan's Operation Condor. And it was great. It's helped me with writing tremendously. After I did that, I figured now that I can beat you up, I better figure out how to heal you. So I jumped into nursing. That's what everybody does. And I got my LPN with the hopes of going to physician assistant school or nurse conditioning school. And while I was getting my degree to finish my prereqs for both programs because I wasn't sure I fell into Lyme disease I really enjoyed the research and did a lot of research in Lyme disease worked in a Lyme disease clinic and that's where I met my patient who inspired for the birth of the face series and that's how I wound up writing it It wasn't, I didn't set out to say, Oh, someday I'm going to write a fantasy series. I thought maybe I'd, if I was lucky someday, I'd write a comic book series. And I started

penning that years ago, you know, with, with the hopes of one day, maybe, you know, jumping to image or something like that. But I just happened to meet a patient the very first day working at this Lyme disease clinic. And we kind of clicked his first day dripping a patient the very first day working at this Lyme disease clinic, and we kind of clicked. It was his first day dripping. It was my first day sticking people for IVs. And you never forget your first stick, let me tell you. And we became friends, and he had been dripping for a little over a year, maybe it was closer to a year and a half. And the Lyme disease specialist that I worked for, people dripped seven days a week, an hour to an hour and a half, two hours. And I was hired specifically for the weekends, holidays. And then one day a week, I worked with the doctor side by side for patients. So I was there Christmas,

New Year's Eve, Christmas Eve, everything. So I got to know everybody fairly well, especially this patient. And he had uprooted his life from Pennsylvania to Westchester oh wow he left his job everything because he was he was very very sick wow and so he had finally gone to the doctor and said look I gotta get back to work I gotta get back to family whatever so the deal they had struck was he would uh drive five hours drip on a wednesday turn around go home back on friday spend the night drip friday saturday sunday monday morning go back home that is intense he wanted to be cured i totally get it i knew it wouldn't last it lasted three weeks before he was like look i can't do this anymore so i had changed my schedule

so on wednesdays i'd be there when he got there uh so i could kind of keep company and he had said danny i can't do it anymore and i said well if you don't you're gonna backslide we went back forth he said well do something keep me in the chair so i said okay tell me something interesting about yourself that you haven't told me he said he said, well, I was recruited by the CIA out of college. And I'm like, well, okay, well, that's kind of cool. All right. You know, give me the details. And he was like, well, I didn't take it.

And I'm like, ah, you could have been like secret agent, man. And he's like, nah, it was for the trends and intentions division. He's like the most boring part. He's like, I was just going to like try to find these trends and, you he's like the most boring part he's like i was just gonna like try to find these trends and you know analyze this and i'm like you should have taken it we could have found out what was in roswell you know i went down like a conspiracy rabbit hole totally went down talking about the grays and roswell the loch ness monster i was there and we were making some jokes and i i said, you know where Lyme disease comes from?

And he goes, Plum Island. And once again, down the rabbit hole. Out of my mouth to this day, don't know what made me say it. I went, no, Lyme disease comes from the fae. And he sits up in the chair and he goes, the what? I go, you know, the fae, the fairies. They don't like the way we're treating the environment. This is to get back

at us and he goes i went oh but you know about that is the big cia guy that was sent here to find out if the really hot red-headed nurse is the one the brains behind the operation she's really a fae hybrid he looked at me and he kind of winked and he went, oh, yeah, tell me more. And I just started telling him a story. And I just off the top of my head wove this story. And every time he came in, I would tell him another little piece. And if something happened in the IV room, like the doctor had this big black Labrador and the dog would come in and I'd be like, oh, and the king of the Fae had a black dragon. I just would tell him a story and I put him in it and I made it up that he was a CIA agent

trying to hunt down these Fae hybrids and I would just tell him stories. And it was the same, it was the birth of the Fae and I didn't know. I was just telling a story and he sat there and listened. Wow. And I put him in it. All I was thinking was, I'm going to PA school. Whatever I do to keep this guy in the chair. I like him. He's cool. We're friends.

Then he stayed. I told him the story. We talked. Then he kept saying, you've got to write this shit down. You've got to do this. I was like, no, dude, I'm going to PA school. I'm going to do dermal fillers and botox like i know where the money is honey bunch i'm not you know universe had another plan for me yeah and that was that and that's how birth of the fay was born i I went home and wrote it down. And he was my, he's still to this day, he's my biggest cheerleader.

And that's how the whole thing came about. That is freaking awesome, man. I mean, what a beautiful story to come out of something like that, where, you know, there's so much tragedy in the world and hopelessness sometimes. And to give someone hope and make them want something and then therein lies the the pathway that you find in your story it's amazing how life works where you know there's so many things that we can go into it was it wasn't something i ever expected and you know it's so funny because like i said he's i still talk to the patient to this very day

every week i talk to him he's become one of my closest friends and it's he laughs because he's always like when is my story coming out because the birth of the fae those books that have released now are kind of the prequels to his story and he's agent graham in the next series birth of a succubus which is the story he knows. And he's always like, when do I come out? When's my literary hero, you know, part coming.

And I'm like, you're coming. Just don't worry. You got it. And that's, he's now the hero in the next series. And it's all inspired by him. And I would never have sat here thinking I'd be sitting here with a crown on my

head, talking to you about, you know, a guy I met, a patient I met, you know, a couple of years ago in to you about, you know, a guy I met, a patient I met, you know, a couple of years ago in Lyme disease. You know, that's just not what I would thought about the day. That's astounding. And here you are now. I mean, what a great journey though. I mean, what a great story. I mean, you know, there's not a lot of people that have books that

they write where they, you know, it wasn't the basis for inspiration. They're just like, hey, write a book. So I think it's great. And I think it's awesome that you live your story as well. I mean, you're living embodiment. I was just looking over your Instagram and your Instagram is filled with all sorts of pictures of you. And it kind of brings to life the stories in the in the book and and in the characters i guess

i try to bring them as much to life because i've used so much of my own life as inspiration you know my dad i used as inspiration for one of the characters hoggle who's the metal gnome that's my father my uncle is his assistant marco because growing growing up, my dad, you know, I have a bunch of uncles, but my uncle Ronnie was the only one who could work with my dad in the auto body shop. So their relationship I used as inspiration. My best friend from high school, Jen, is the inspiration for Lady Serena, Aurora's best friend, Queen Aurora's best friend in the castle, the mermaid. And their talks on the beach were exactly our talks. You know, when you're a teenager and you think you know everything, having such deep conversations,

those conversations are exactly what Jen and I would sit and talk at, you know, the beach in Fawnstock. So I used so much real life inspiration that I thought I need to bring the characters to life to show that this really is me. This is not me sitting there, you know, with an outline going, part one. And, you know, writing it down like it's so bland. Not even close. This was me sitting down, opening up a notebook, and I hand wrote the entire, I hand wrote all the books first before I even got a computer.

Wow. I had no idea what I was doing. You know, I really, like, I'd like to tell you that I sat there like planning it all out, not even close. When my patient really was like, you have to go write, you know, you have to write this. I went home and was like, okay, this is what I wrote today. And this is what I told him today. And I'd write it down and then I'd go, wait a minute, nobody's going to know who the dark

Fae are. And I'd open up another journal and say, okay, so the dark Fae from, then I go, wait, all right, nobody knows this, open up another journal. So I wound up with four books, writing them all at once. Wow. Because I would just jump from page to page and I'm like, oh, they don't know this. All right. They don't know that. And then when I finally got to the computer, that's where the editing started, but it all came from real life. I mean, I picked people that I really knew and had whatever my interpersonal dynamics were. That's what made the page. That's amazing.

That's amazing. I know with novels, we can't really tease out too much because we can't give them all away. We can't tell them the ending. What are some other stories that might stick out in the book or things that stick out that we can tease the readers? I have in this book, in Kingdom Come, I have Kingdom Come, A Phase Done and Forgive Us. Those are the next couple that are coming out. I have little kids that I've never written for. This is the first time that I'm writing for in the mind of a little kid called Indigo.

I loved writing Indigo. She's one of my favorite characters, and she's about six or seven years old. And the first time I was inspired where she popped into my head, she was singing cherry bomb and she kind of skipped through my head. And I was like, Oh, who are you? And it's three in the morning.

And she was like, I just remember, like I said, cherry bomb was playing and she was like, I'm Indigo and I'm changing your whole story. And she was skipping rope. And I was like, like I said, Cherry Bomb was playing and she was like, I'm Indiga and I'm changing your whole story. And she was skipping rope and I was like, okay. And her story just kind of popped through my head. And she's a little troublemaker and her nickname is Little Big Mouth, which was my nickname as a kid.

And I was like, yep, you're here. It's kind of like Eloise in the Plaza, but only a fae version of her. And she is going to then carry into the rest of the series and we'll meet her grown up later and what she does in the human world and the trouble she makes. But, you know, writing in the point of view of kids is very different. Yeah, I imagine so. It's also very freeing because they can say whatever the heck they want and get away with it and just smile. That's the great thing about being a kid. Yeah.

You can kind of just sit there and be like, you know, you can pretty much tell an adult to go F off and then just smile and be like, I don't know. And, you know, they're just endearing and cute. They're precocious and they get away with it. So I have that going on in the next two books. I have like my whole little face, Scooby gang, trying to solve a mystery, which goes back to my cartoon influences and my comic book influences.

Those were all mashed up in the next couple of books. And I do tend to take on religion a lot in my books. I've gotten on two blasphemy lists because. Oh yeah. Because religion is part of the Faye. I mean, they're right. They thrown out of heaven.

Yeah, they are. And some people have taken some prob they have taken some offense to that but once again it's a fantasy book fantasy book and people are taking offense to it wow yes they didn't you know i think what it is is with book one they saw the title locked out of heaven and thought i was going to be preaching a certain um storyline yeah go that way they took offense to it and i made two blasphemy lists with book one and then some people decided to try to petition the vatican to pull the book what and i was like you know luckily i think the pope was out that day or something so he didn't answer the call uh so you know i think i

i lucked out um but you know we'll say in book four who knows yeah equal opportunity offender and defender so we'll see what happens later on sounds like people just read the title and they're like i think we know what this is they never read the book i just go off on a tangent. Well, at the end of book one, there may be a biblical moment that we're all aware of that happens that perhaps the Fae did, and it doesn't happen through godly means. That the Fae actually are the ones who caused it, and people took offense to that. I was pulling it away from God as they saw it. In my eyes, once again, it's just a fantasy book. Yeah, it's just a novel, man. I mean, you know, you could write it.

I'm not saying it happened that way. It's not like you're rewriting Bible number two or whatever version. Yeah, I'm not making this the Third Testament, you know. I'm not making this the New Testament. You know? I'm not making this the Newer Testament, the Fae Testament. So I may have gotten in trouble for that. And all I can say is, if you think I was bad in that,

wait till you read Kingdom Come. Uh-oh. All right, we got controversy going on. Controversy going on. So, yeah, anything more you want to touch on or tease about the book before we go out? I think overall in the books, it's just a matter of these are great escapes. I have a lot going on with, you know, political intrigue.

If you're a fan of political intrigue, I have a lot of that. The series should be read as a series. I've had some people say, oh, can I jump in on any book? And to me, that's a personal choice. I don't mind jumping in on series i've done that you know with like laura okay hamilton i've jumped i jumped in midway in her need of late series i like doing that but for some people i think you should probably read it from the beginning you definitely shouldn't read kingdom come on its own you know because i'm tying

up so many loose ends i would say start from the beginning and jump in but for me the books are more about escapism than anything else and they're not gigantic books because i think with with fantasy people tend to uh back away from it because they think of game of thrones and when you think of the game of thrones book you think of like that gigantic book and it's like oh on that my books are all under 250 words uh 250 pages so it's like oh okay i'm kind of like your gateway drug into fantasy you can start with me dip your toe in and you're like oh okay i this is not going to take me a whole summer to read this is not my life for the next six months of trying to read this book it's like like, I can sit and read this, understand it. Yeah, it's a little complicated, but I can get through this.

So like I said, I'm kind of the gateway drug into the fantasy world. If you've always been thinking of getting into it, you can jump in. And it's like, this is doable. You know, that's kind of how I've always seen it. Because sometimes I think fantasy takes itself a little too seriously. Yeah. I mean, I think that's good. You know, people like shorter books now.

In fact, you know, a lot of the authors I've talked to on the book, they're like, yeah, we wrote 110,000 words for a business book. And they're like, you need to cut it down to 50. People just don't have that much of a attention span. And it's kind of rewarding when you can blaze through a cool book and get it done. You don't feel like, you know, like I've got a couple of books in my audible library that are quite long and I found that I bounce around them and finish them. So yeah, something that's a quick and easy read is much better, I think. Yeah, that's, the four horsemen, my publishers, they were the ones who were like, you need to take it down because originally

book one and two was one book. And they were like, we love you, but no. They were like, it's just new. Nobody needs to spend that much time there. They were like, eventually when you have the audience, or when people have read them all, they will want a box set like that where they can be like,

oh yeah, this is it because now they'll find the Easter eggs and go back and make these connections. They said, but right now just get people to start reading and they'll enjoy you more and they'll enjoy the world more. Cause then they'll, they'll kind of want to know, yeah,

I finished this or I finished this part of the series. I finished up to here. It, like you said, it's more rewarding. It's more than they got the sticker, you know? you know definitely and that's and i think that's been probably one of the best lessons i've learned because i was ready to just keep writing and give people like that you know mists of avalon put it on the desk where it's like webster's dictionary and you're like i finished

this haha no you know people want something that they can digest. And I kind of like being that for them because high fantasy does have a certain stigma of, you know, being a little bit intimidating. And I like to be, like I said, that gateway drug in where I'm like, dip your toe in the pool, see how you like the water and let me get your plugs one last time for the books there's four of the books that are out i should mention there's four in the series there's uh locked out of heaven eyes of mercy from the ashes and the new book kingdom come give us your plugs so people can find you on the orbs please you can find me at birth of the fay.com you can find the books anywhere barnes and nobles amazon you can find me on the Bookie Call app and Instagram at birthofthefay underscore novel. And check me out at fourhorsemanpublications.com.

And then, you know, wherever you want to hit me up, hit me up. There you go. Check it out. You can order up the book Kingdom Come, Birth of the Fae,

Book 4, or yeah, Book of the Fae, Book 4. Danielle Orsino, you can order it up wherever fine books are sold. And that should be out May 30th.

Is that correct? Yes, May 30th. And then I have a novella coming out in July that is just about the Dark Fae and their dragons, which I'm really excited for. You're prolific. You're doing great. So thank you very much for coming on the show, Danielle.

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