The Chris Voss Show - The Chris Voss Show Podcast – LIFE MASTERY – Life by Design by Mark W. Collins

Episode Date: July 1, 2024

LIFE MASTERY – Life by Design by Mark W. Collins https://amzn.to/4cK5esi Courses.freedom-for-life.net Life Mastery, life by design, is a book that focuses on the readers created value, their unique Identity and their ability to shape their life into the uncompromisingly awesome experience they were created for. Through the conversations laid out in each chapter, they will not only learn tools to upgrade their lives but will also find powerful insights to demolish the false beliefs and lies that are standing in the way. Life mastery is a labor of love born from Mark’s own experience in striving for the life he was created for and from mentoring hundreds of others to do the same. If you want the life you dreamed you could have and want battle-tested tools to overcome what is standing in the way, then Life Mastery—Life by Design—is for you.

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There you go, ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to the big show. We certainly appreciate you guys always being here. For 16 years, 2,000 episodes, we bring you all the smartest people, the brilliant minds, all the people who can change your life, who bring to us their stories, their journeys, their cathartic moments of life, and all the things that they can do that when you listen to them, you just walk around with a Chris Voss show glow going, oh my gosh, how did you ever get so smart?

People, they just see you just glowing wandering around and and they're just like they're just like how can it be like you and you're like go to the chris voss show there's so much stuff there it's like the netflix of podcasting really when you think about it people are the sum of all their stories as i like to say that they've collected on their journey through life and stories of the fabric of who we are so we're going to get into more stories today. We've got an amazing young man on the show. We're going to be talking to him.

He is the author of the newest book that just came out on November 28, 2023, Life Mastery, Life by Design, Not by Default. I've tried that default business and it doesn't turn out well. Mark W. Collins is on the show with us today. We'll be talking to him about his book. He is a husband, father, pastor, and coach with a passion to see Christian men equipped to be the hero God created them to be. He has authored the first book we before mentioned, and he's developed and launched his Life Mastery online courses and has had the privilege of speaking at conferences throughout the Western U.S. In over 15 years of working with men as a Christian coach and pastor, Mark has seen hundreds of lives changed and callings unleashed.

Welcome to the show, Mark. How are you? I'm doing great, Chris. Thanks so much. Glad to be here. We're happy to have you as well. Give us your.coms or.nets, wherever people can find you on the interwebs. Yeah, absolutely. Everything that I have you can find on our website, which is freedom-for-life.net. Freedom for life with a dash between the four.

So freedom-for-life.net. There you go. Free at last, free at last. So give us a 30,000 overview of what's inside your new book, Life Mastery, Life by Design, Not by Default. Yeah, just like the title says, the honest truth is, at least for the Christian perspective and in my own life as well, you find that a lot of times we live our life by default.

And it's not because it's any fault of our own. It's because it's kind of how we've been raised and the only thing we know. So life by default kind of looks like this. It's life happens and I respond, right? The car has a flat tire. I lose my job. I have issues in the family, whatever, right? All of the good and the bad and everything in between. Life happens.

And in many cases, we feel like we're not ready until it happens and then we'll respond to it. What I believe God's call is on our life and what I try and train up the men and the women I have the opportunity to walk with and work with. I want to make them aware that, hey, you're meant to live life by design, which means that, you know, sounds like a cliche, but we are the response that life is supposed to happen to, right? We're supposed to be the ones who are happening to our life,

not letting our life happen to us. It's life by offense, not by defense, not to be offensive, but to actually have the life that you're created for. There you go. If you fail to plan, you plan to fail i

almost screwed that up like george bush like george bush going i remember the gaffes he had about when you try and say something two in the if you have one bird in the hand or something like that i remember but yeah so i mean people people need to realize that you know a lot of people i remember you know if i can go on a little tangent here, I remember growing up listening to Pink Floyd's The Wall. Or not, it wasn't The Wall. It was The Dark Side of the Moon. And one of those lines in The Dark Side of the Moon is about how you missed the starting gun.

No one told you when to run. You missed the starting gun. Yeah. And kind of now you're behind the eight ball or you're behind on the marathon that's life and i always remember that line stuck with me and i realized that a lot of people do that they sweep they sleep walk through life yeah and they just kind of take whatever's handed to them and and then they wake up one day and i was i was kind of interesting because i'd i'd heard people around me complaining as a

young man about men who had midlife crises and i was always like what's that about and how all men have this what's what's the issue there and a lot of men you know they they jump into the roles that society gives them and then they wake up one day and they go wow maybe this wasn't for me and i think women do too i mean maybe that's the reason people divorce more but you know i think women and men both do it and they just they just kind of go you know i saw it on tv i always use the example from fight club where they're sitting in the bathroom and and brad pitt's in the in the tub and he goes i don't know my my my my just said, you know, go to college. And I went to college and he said, what do I do now, dad? Go get a job. What do I do now,

dad? Go get married. It's like life's just kind of handed to you in this preformed things. But if you follow by default, you might not be happy with the results you get. Right. No, you're absolutely right. And obviously, the thing that I try to instill in the guys that I work with is that, you know, there is a design for your life, there is a purpose for your life and impact that you're supposed to have. And like you said, Chris, there's a lot of cases where we're, we're looking at the world to tell us or, you know, the norms of society, right? So my family is in this industry. So of course, I have to be in this industry or whatever you look outside of yourself, to try and find those things to kind of fulfill you or to kind of give you importance

or give you really value. At the end of the day, I think for every man, myself included, you want to know that you're valued. And so you either look at it outwards, or you look at it inward. And if you start from the inward, understanding your value before you walk into it, I think you're a lot closer to living that life by design and having no midlife crisis, maybe being able to see that, hey, I lived out the impact I was supposed to have in the world. Definitely. And I chose the life I wanted to live. One of the things I did with my life is I designed it because I was like, I don't want to have a midlife crisis. I don't want to wake up someday and go, I'm different. There's another reason men have a midlife crisis is because usually it takes us 25 years to build ourselves.

When we usually start out, our value, especially on the dating, sexual market, is zero. Because we don't have anything. We don't have any skills. You know, women date up to people that are more successful. I remember going through that as a young man. I remember being a sophomore in high school where, you know, you wanted to date fellow sophomores and they're like, no, we need seniors because they have cars and jobs and goings and things. Yeah.

You know, and so men usually peak in their value and their highest earning potentials and resources that we normally bring to the dating market value in our late 40s and 50s. Our 50s are actually our best times. Until then, we're struggling to build a kingdom. We're struggling to build ourselves. We're struggling to build a career, provide for a family. And a lot of guys wake up at that point and have a midlife crisis because they're like, hey, I finally have value and I know it. So there's something to that. Tell us a little bit about yourself. How did you grow up? Did you grow up in religion, or did you find it later? And what were some of the influences there that got you down your road?

Yeah, I appreciate the question. You could say we grew up in a Christian religion. My dad was in the military. If you want to know a little snapshot of my life from the time I was born until sixth grade, which means 12 years old for me, we lived in five states in one foreign country because my dad was in the military. So we moved a lot. So that means every two years of my life from being born all the way through the sixth grade, I was in a new location, new friends, new community, new traditions, all of the things that go along with that. And so growing up at that point, we were going to church in the military, they have churches on base. And you know, my dad wanted to have us go there. He was a Christian. He became a Christian later in life, in his late 20s, actually, which is interesting. It's interesting, because that's

when I accepted Christ as well. So we grew up in church, but really didn't have that kind of relationship that made it worth going or wanting to continue. So in the sixth grade, my dad said, hey, you guys are old enough, me and my three sisters, you make your own choice. Do you want to do you want to go or do you not want to go and I don't know if it coincided with him kind of getting tired of going every Sunday as well. But the minute we decided we weren't going to go, he stopped going as well. So fast forward through that, you know, fun fact about me, at least for the people that know me now, when I was in my early 20s, I was going to college, really kind of dissatisfied where I was at. And I decided I was going to go to California.

I had a friend who played bass and knew some people who had some musical talent or something like that. And I figured I was going to come out to California and be a rock star. Came out here and live the life. I remember the very first place, second place we stayed at. It was a garage and it wasn't a garage like you're thinking, converted garage, nice place. It was a literal garage that had all of the stuff in it, plus a couch that we got to share. So every night we would flip a coin to decide who got the couch and who got the cushions off the couch. And I remember the front of the garage door would be open because they had a cat.

And so they didn't want their cat to have to be outdoors. So literally year round, that garage door was open about a foot and a half off the bottom. So it was, that was my very first living conditions when I came to California. I thought LA was hard now, but it sounds like it was hard back then too. I guess it's hard depending on your friends and where you're living, right? That's true. But there's a lot of things that came out of garages in California sometimes. Oh, yeah.

Yeah. We were the band in the garage, but we weren't a garage band. It should be a title of your next book. There you go. There you go. Maybe some stories you can tell off that spin. Absolutely. Living a lot of life, skipping through a lot of it.

I met my wife when I was in my mid-20s, and she had two children, I tell people that when I married her, I married into a family, she had a son who was nine, EJ and Nicole, who was five years old when I met her. And so we got married, and we wanted to raise our kids and kind of a healthy moral environment. And I remembered back to my Christianity. And I wanted to kind of give my children that background as well. And, you know, one thing led to another, we started going to church, and I was around a group of individuals in a business that I was in at the time. And I really liked what I saw in them that I didn't have in myself, the peace and the joy and some of the things that I didn't have, you know, part of my journey and part of what I do and really trying to move men towards what I consider

the life that they're created for is starting to unpack some of the understanding that a lot of times the life we're living now is the sum total of our experiences, our past, our pains, and the things that people have said about us. And you talked about men and it's, you know, my group that I really have an involvement with. And what I see in men is what I saw in myself when I was growing up, which was not feeling like I measured up to my father, who was strong, tough, amazing, you know, everything that I felt like I wasn't. And growing up into my life, whether it was starting a business and being successful, going to college and being able to get my degree, even getting a second degree black belt for the

simple reason that I wanted to be a tough guy like my father was. And so you kind of grow up and even in your successes, finding that feeling of inadequacy or imposter syndrome or fear of failure, whatever the label is you want to put on it. You know, those were the things that I had. And unfortunately for some of us guys, part of that outworking is when you don't feel good enough in yourself. Some of the outworking of that is anger and frustration and those things that really stress relationships, which obviously was part of our relationship, mine with my wife as well.

So I was that guy. But I saw these people that were, they didn't have that kind of angst or anger or those kind of things. They didn't seem to have those inner demons and wrestling when you're worried about, am I going to keep my job? You know, successful in the things I did, but still the thoughts were, okay, the failure is just around the corner. You're really not as good as you think you are, those kinds of things.

Yeah, exactly. And so walking through it, first and foremost, wanting to have what they had and what they all had in common was they were all Christians. And so one Sunday, they have what's called an altar call, which means the pastor or the leader up front says, hey, if anybody wants to accept Jesus, come forward. I looked to my wife and I said, I've got to go. And I walked up and that was the start of that part of the journey, which brought me back to my Christian faith. There you go. And so you found some of the stuff you talk about in the book at that moment then. Yeah. And previous to that, I mean, I was, I was always believing that there was more for my life than what I was living. That, that being frustrated and anger and waking up at three in the morning when they had our business, just wondering if you can make payroll

and oh my gosh, if the, if the money doesn't come in, then what are we going to do? Those kinds of things. I always felt that there was more than that, that I was supposed to be living. And so for me, it was personal development early on, which was Tony Robbins. And I mean, you can name them. Anything I could get for free or cheap, I would grab a hold of because I wanted to be better than the person that I was seeing in the mirror. And then how Christianity got wrapped into that is starting to not just read the Bible and not just use it as great philosophy and great ideas, but to actually see that there's instruction there. And in seeing the instructions in there, and one scripture that I think about is, as a man thinks in his heart, so is he. It's a man warning a reader about a rich person who's acting very generous on the outside, but inside he's being deceptive.

But in seeing that truth, I understood what a lot of people understand in their lives as well, which is this. So if my thoughts led me to the life I'm living right now, then if I change my thoughts, then maybe I can change the person that I see walking out the life that I'm living. And so different instructions like that really were foundational and kind of that roadmap, right? There's always that great thing. And that was the challenge I had with a lot of personal development. It's like, follow me. And then you can be perfect like I am, or you can be wealthy or whatever the thing is that they're telling you to do. And, and, you know, more power to them for the things that they're accomplishing. But

on the inside, I knew I wasn't them. Yeah. And you're still that work in progress. Yeah, absolutely. And I was never going to, you know, I'm never going to be Tony Robbins. You know, there's only one. And if you're ever an imitation of somebody else, you're always going to be in second place. Yeah. He's a massive man. And I'm six foot tall with a 10 inch span hand. And I remember meeting him in 1989. This is when you could just walk up to him at the end of his seminars.

And I remember putting my hand into his hand to shake it. And my hand, I just watched it slowly disappear. And I'm a, I'm a, I have a giant hand. Like most people, it's the other way. Like people disappear into my hand and he was just a giant of a man and just welcoming and warm and stuff. But I remember watching my hand just go into his giant hand and I was like, holy crap.

And yeah, so yeah, it's yeah you've got to make your own path you've got to find your own purpose you got to do what you want to do in life and sometimes following those gurus and i'm not i'm not you know tony ramos changed my life and i didn't have to go to 20 seminars i just read the book and listen to tapes i think but you have to find your own purpose in life that thing that that resonates with you that that makes you want to get up every day and and and do something and i think a lot of guys i think a lot of guys get confused because they think if i just get a woman and i get a family yeah and then that will give me purpose yeah and then you know things don't work out with the woman and which happens many times, which we see in society.

And then they're destroyed because their whole identity and everything is built around that. And usually the reason the woman left is because the man wasn't on his purpose. He was just following her like a puppy dog everywhere. Happy wife, happy life. You know, that's shit. You know, she can't respect him if he doesn't respect himself i mean that's kind of how women work that's you know yeah that's a great word that's the truth i should put that on a cup so give us uh give us the uh maybe some some other tools maybe that you can tease out

that you put in your book on how people can upgrade their lives yeah absolutely and i think one of the things is exactly what you talked about which is that word identity. I tell people all the time that I don't have a tattoo, but if I had a tattoo, it would be this identity is everything. Because exactly what you had said. So if I understand who I am, then everything else benefits in my life, my spouse, my friends, my work, because I know who I am. And I'm not trying to have you make up for it. But in a place where you don't feel adequate or you don't feel valued or you don't feel good enough on your own, then everybody around you that you're in a relationship with has to make

up the difference. And like you said, with marriage, right? Where if I don't feel adequate in myself, then my wife, my wife's name is Susan. Susan has to make up the difference because I don't feel good. So she has to make sure that I'm okay. I don't say that, but I feel that. And that's kind of part of the internal dialogue in the relationship and the wrestling is because whatever it is, and you know, we know people like that. I don't want to name names, but you know, people like I do, Chris, that are, they're amazing in what they're doing in some areas, some vocation, whatever the thing is that they're doing in their life. And then there's another area of their life that's a disaster. And so what I tell the guys is, first off, identity is everything. Who you are is who will come out in the times of

stress, in the times of working and all the things that you're doing in your life, who you believe you are, you'll become. And so our tools really come around the three transformational tools. It's mastering your thoughts, words, and actions. And so let's start with just thoughts, and I can just unpack that one for a moment. It literally is living out what we talked about in the title, living life by design, not by default. I used to work out and come to find out I was reading about different people that were great in the athletics and all that. And I found out their nutrition was very interesting they would eat before and after they worked out before so that they'd fuel themselves for the workout afterwards so that they would recover in my own life with my group of folks

the christians or even just any of us in general we're always fighting the battles after they've started but if you prepare ahead of time again if you if you prepare your thoughts so that you understand who you are walking into it you're not expecting your time again if you if you prepare your thoughts so that you understand who you are walking into it you're not expecting your circumstances to tell you who you are so i'm at my business and and we're having some struggles because there's less enrollment there's less students there's less income so we're trying to deal with those issues and those challenges if each of those circumstances are another chance for me to hear that i'm a failure or that i'm going to blow it or that we're going to be bankrupt, now all of a sudden you have the stress of your anxiety and your worry and all these things that are happening, not just disempowering emotions. There are also ways that you're being stifled from the creativity it takes to succeed and to be able to overcome them. But if I know that I'm the answer to every challenge that I'm walking into,

that I have solutions, and I have ideas, and I have things that I could do at any moment to be able to turn around any circumstance, now all of a sudden, that guy walking into the circumstance, now all of a sudden, he gets answers, he's good at understanding, he knows where to grab finances from, he knows where to manipulate and challenge and change things so that his work and his life and his business continue to thrive. The difference between a man who's fulfilled and a man who's struggling in a lot of cases really comes down to who they believe

they are walking into it. It's not the skillset. It's the character of the man. And it doesn't mean that a man who's struggling has no character. It just means that he doesn't understand the character that he has. So one of our tools is mastering your thoughts. Who do you that you are and i'm not telling you to say it when when

my wife and i are fighting when when we're struggling at work but hey who do you remind yourself of and so part of our exercise is i start every morning with this understanding who i am and reminding myself of it because during the day my life is going to tell me who I am. And if I don't have ammunition of the truth of who I am, right, truth to stories lies, then all of a sudden now I'm into an arm wrestling match and anxiety time and imposter syndrome and all of those things. But if I know who I am walking in, because I fed myself on the truth of who I am, now all of a sudden that guy shows up and answers shows up and overcoming shows up and victory in those areas shows up in your life simply because you are the person walking into it that you thought

you were you are the person you thought you were and that makes all the difference and like i think you mentioned coaches or olympic stuff earlier we've had we've had people from the olympics on the show coaches for the Olympics. And I think this is done in a lot of different athletic fields, but they will use the power of the belief system, as you say, in themselves, but they'll also do that visualization where they see themselves walking into the Super Bowl. They see what the gameplay is. I was even watching Tom Brady, a Raiders fan, so it's hard to watch. But, I mean, the guy is the gameplay is. I was even watching Tom Brady, a Raiders fan, so it's hard to watch, but I mean, the guy is the GOAT, and he was talking about how his prep for the game every

week preps for everything. It preps for, you know, he knew what the temperatures were, what exactly he needed to wear to stay perfectly warm, but not too warm or too, you know, wrapped up. He would talk about how they would go through the playbook of what the, you know, the out, the out, the out, the plan of what the games were going to be or the different downs are going to be and what they were going to do. And he would sit down with his backup quarterback.

They would go through the whole plan. And then he would bounce, he would bounce, as they would practice the plan, he would bounce off, what happens if this guy comes in over here? Have we planned for that? And people are like, no, that's just the plan. Right. And he'd be like, let's consider that that might happen. And he played the game enough to know that those random things are going to happen.

It was really interesting to watch him talk about how he planned everything out and he practiced everything out. And the meticulous nature, because people would just be like, I know the game plan, I'll just show up and it'll be fine. I know move X, Y, Z, or whatever the call out is. But he would sit and go through it. And then he, he kind of considered its weak points and things that he needed to be thinking about in the moment that like, what if something comes out of left field here and is, is pushing me. Yeah.

So you're right. Planning is everything, putting the game in your head. What are some other tips that maybe we can tease out? And that's one of them that you'd talked about already visualization, right? Yeah. thing, pointing the game in your head. What are some other tips that maybe we can tease out? And that's one of them that you'd talked about already visualization, right? Yeah. And so there's a difference between, I'll just say other programs and what we try and do. The reason I start with identity is because I start with the reality of who you are.

A lot of times what we try and do, and I even try to do this in my own life, right? You pick the, the epitome of whatever, if it's a creativity, it's an Elon Musk, or if it's music, maybe it's Pink Floyd, great band, right? And so you visualize yourself becoming that person. At the end of the day, you already understand you're not them. But if I can understand who I'm created to be, I tell the guys that I work with, you can't hit a target that you can't see. And that's what visualization is. But it's visualization of who I am, the fullness of who I'm created to be lived out. And so you start with that identity statement. You create those thought processes so that I'm prepared for battle before the fight. Once I get in the fight, it's a little too late to be prepared. Tom Brady. Yeah, that's a good analogy. I like that. I'm thinking

of a battle warrior too. Exactly. Going to war, preparing for a fight. You better not try and learn to fight after you're already in it. If so, you're probably going to lose. And so it is the visualization, but it's a visualization of the ultimate reality in your life. Who am I lived out? And so when you see that person lived out. And the other thing is, if I could just be totally honest with some guys, I also give them this exercise. And it's twofold.

It's an accomplishment list and it's a celebration list. What I find in my own life, and maybe you too, Chris, but certainly some other guys as well, is we wait to get the trophy to celebrate what we're doing. And what happens is, if you can't celebrate yourself along the way, many times you'll stop short of your victory. because, you know, I can't, I can't, until I win the Super Bowl, I won't recognize all of the accomplishments I did along the way. And so what I tell the guys is, you know, I did a list of a hundred accomplishments I've had in my life. It could be big or small. It could be, you know, graduating from high school. It could be owning your first car, whatever the thing is. What we consider ordinary, everybody's not doing.

But at the end of the day, what you do is you are able to maximize your faults and minimize your gifts. When you start to look at them, as they say, we're on with critics sometimes. And so what I try and do is get a mind shift that says this, hey, you are already accomplishing things in your life, right? That lie that keeps telling you, now I'm going to fail or this is going to happen. You have a track record of success. So when those things are happening, you're already, again, you can't hit a target you don't see, visualizing who you are in your future. If you understand who you're created to be, you're not going to wait for a failure to prove that you're right. You're going to

expect an accomplishment because I've got a track record of doing it. There you go. And if you're giving yourselves the pat on the back for the small rewards, the small wins, we can go back to the football analogy again, or you can use game analogy. You mentioned the Super Bowl. As you win games, you have to build confidence and go, hey, it was good. I won that game.

Good job. Or I lost this game. Okay, how can I be better? And then you're going to win the, eventually you win the top of your FC and all that stuff, the top of your region. I forget the term. Your conference?

I'm a Raiders fan so i don't know your conference and i don't know what it's like to win divisions anymore so i forgot the terms it's rough life but that's your division and then and then the you know the afc conference and and you've got to celebrate those wins like hey we did a great job we we you know we won this we have the ability to get to the Super Bowl and win. We've proven ourselves, and we are worthy. Maybe worthy is a good word. What do you think about that?

Yeah, I think so. And if I could backtrack a little, because I think your analogy is really spot on. Because you think of it, you obviously watch football and in sports in general, but I'll take football for sure. They celebrate every touchdown. They celebrate every interception sure they celebrate every touchdown they celebrate they tell they celebrate every intersection they celebrate every takeaway they don't wait till they get to the super bowl and and now we're a team of value right now we're guys that have done something and yet in our own lives sometimes we're the hardest on ourselves we refuse to celebrate

just showing up because i mean who was it was andy Warhol who said 90% of success is just showing up? It really is. Yeah. I used to have employees used to ask me, like, what was successful? And I'm like, just showing up every day, even on the days you don't want to show up. And when you're an entrepreneur, you know, there's a lot of days you don't want to show up. You know, especially weekends and late at night. Yeah. you know, especially weekends and late at night. And, you know, you know, I remember I was like, why can't I go home at five o'clock

and not think about all this crap I have to do? You live it. And, you know, I used to dream business. Like some, some men dream of, you know, I don't know, some blonde hair girl on a beach. I would dream about who was going to fire the next day and the meetings I was going to have. And I mean, I had so many business dreams. If I ever thought of the girl on the beach, I'm like, thank God.

Oh my God, what a relief. I've had hundreds of these stupid business dreams. I mean, you just live it. And for sure. But you've got to show up every day. It's not, and half the time is just showing up and processing what the day is and, you know, being aware of what you're where you're going and everything else let's talk about some of the packages that you offer on your website

for and i believe these are specifically designed for men or they open to everybody you know the truth and the principles work for anybody but you know my my message is primarily for christian men because i understand like maybe some other people do as well, that if your message is for everybody, your message is for nobody. And so it's a group. Obviously, it's my life and my history as well. So there's an ability to understand that group. But prior to really kind of focusing on Christian men, the program was open to everybody, men and women. And, you know, women are obviously a great, a great resource and great in courses like this, because it takes a level of honesty and vulnerability and willingness to

change that women are naturally adept in doing. But you know what, I'm all in on the guys, I want to be able to give the tools to the men who are the me before the guys who are looking for that roadmap, looking for that blueprint to get there, they want to change, but they just don't know how to get there. But if they can find that tool, they're all in and they're all ready to get going on it. So there's several tools that we have out there. One of them is introduction to freedom. And it really is understanding that, hey, you're more than the life you're living right now. Whatever your level of accomplishment is, it's interesting because I have these and hear these conversations with people of huge value and

worth, right? Guys that are making hundreds of millions of dollars and they talk about their business deals and the literal words they use are, you know, I still struggle with imposter syndrome. Anytime there's a big deal, I'm still wondering if I'm good enough or if I can do it. So it's interesting, right? I tell the guys, you can have a good life or you can have a God life, but you're never meant to have that life of limitation where struggle comes along with it. A lot of times we just tolerate things that we're supposed to be able to overcome and supposed to have victory. And we just don't know how to get there.

So introduction to freedom is really that introduction of, hey, there's more than where you're at. Whatever your level of success, you don't have to drag along the insecurity, the issues, the challenges. You don't have to drag along this willingness to be great at my business, but horrible at my marriage. There's a place where you can actually be accomplished and fulfilled in every area. And so introduction to freedom helps people get there. And then there's the full blown life mastery course and the life mastery book. The life mastery book I consider to be the quick start guide. It's the

framework for all of the tools, the three areas of transformation, mastering your thoughts, words, and actions, the four pillars of Life Mastery, understanding identity, experience, meaning, and emotions, and how all of those wrap up into the life that you're living. Those are in the book as a quick start guide to really give you some nuggets, some tools to be able to live it out right away. And then for those guys that are interested in the full-fledged course that they're all in, they want the whole package, not just part of it. They want to invest themselves in getting from start to finish. That's what the Life Mastery course is for.

And honestly, there's a free, I call it a discovery tool, but you could call it a diagnostic tool that I have on my website. And it's really just to say, hey, what, you know, Life Mastery, living your life by design, not by default, what level am I at right now? And so there's 40 easy questions. You rate yourself one to 10 in each question. And at the end, there's an understanding of, okay, this is where I'm at and this is how I can get to that next level. So it's just a really cool discovery tool for you to be able to say, Hey, what's my next level in this? There you go. The free diagnostic tool to determine your life mastery.

And then, of course, people can sign up for your thing there. And then you've got a bonus teachings on life mastery. Tell us about that. Yeah. So there's a whole life mastery course, and that is absolutely a full-fledged teaching and training. You can go from where you're at to free, right? Freedom is the goal.

Life mastery is the tool. But these life mastery bonus teachings are a deeper dive. What I tell people is this life mastery, the course is what you can use to master your life. The bonus teachings are what you can use to master life mastery, meaning you start to understand the in-depth things. You start, like you talked about, visualization is one of those teachings and being able to say, hey, first off, have an accurate picture you're looking for and consistently look at it. Olympic athletes are a perfect example. I use that because they're an amazing example

of people who are singularly focused on a goal and how it actually manifests itself in their lives. So there's several tools there. There's understanding the company you keep, right? The people you surround yourself with are going to determine to a great level level the level of success you have and if you're going to succeed at all and there's other teachings in there but it gives you a deeper dive so that you're not just have the course and be able to get through it but now i really have a

greater understanding it's like a super charging to the life mastery there you go so this sounds quite insightful you know you've got the book you've got the tools and courses people continue to utilize. What maybe haven't we touched on that you want people to be aware of? At the end of the day, I think the one thing I try and give people the understanding of is there's more for your life. Whatever level you're living, whatever accomplishments you have, or maybe you're that guy that's in your mid, late 20s, like I was, who is desperate to be better than the way that you are responding to the life that you're living. You want to believe there's more, but you just don't know how to kind of unpack it and get there. Well, it's not just these tools, but really it starts with an understanding of,

you're not wrong. You're absolutely right. There is more for your life. Whether you're a hundred million dollars still struggling with imposter syndrome, got a marriage that's on the rocks and you want to be better, or you're $100 million still struggling with imposter syndrome, got a marriage that's on the rocks and you want to be better, or you're that younger guy and you're saying, hey, I'd love to know how to get there. I feel like there's something, but I don't even know where to start. So know that you're right in what you're saying. And the next step is going to be the first step towards you seeing that lived out. There you go. There you go. Mark, it's been wonderful to have you on. Give us a final pitch out for people to check out your book, your services as we go out and dot coms. Yeah, absolutely. So it's going to be freedom-for-life.net. That's the website where

you can see everything, including the free tool, freedom-for-life.net. We'd love to see you get out there and grab whatever level you're ready to be in. It's there for you. There you go. Thank you very much, Mark, for coming on the show. Thank you. This has been a great conversation. I appreciate it. That's what we do.

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