The Chris Voss Show - The Chris Voss Show Podcast – Little Miracles of Katrina – by M.V. Despenza

Episode Date: December 30, 2025

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I love it. So we're going to be talking with Maria Despenza today on the show. We're going to get into it with her. Welcome to the show, Maria. How are you? I'm well. And thank you so much for having me. I'm very excited.

Thank you for coming. Give us to your dot coms. Where do you want people to find out more about you on the interwebs? Oh, thank you. It's M. v.dispenza.com. And then I believe that's the author name that you use on the web when people want to search for it, right? Yes.

Envy. I'm sorry. It's books by. I'm a little nervous. Books by mv dispensa.com. Ah, there we go. So give us the 30,000 overview. What's inside this book?

Okay. There were events that occurred in the days and weeks following Katrina that. that if any one of them had happened by themselves, you would say, oh, right place, right time, or luck of the draw. But over a period of weeks, it seemed like we were getting through places that we shouldn't have. Things were happening right at the exact moment when it came to rescuing people that I can only define as divine intervention. And it's not miracles like turning wine to water, but it was like.

like everything was in place in such a way that it could only be described as just a little miracle that we got through in different places that certain things occurred the way they did. And as I've shared these stories with people over the years, they've really said, you know, you really need to write a book about this because it really does bring a sense of calm and peace and hope after everything that we went through in those days. So where were you in Katrina? Where were you living there, I guess, in New Orleans area? Or, well, it did go out into like Baton Rouge and different things.

So tell us where you were living and what set the scene force in this scenario. Kind of refresh people on maybe, you know, these new Gen Zers are not up on some of this old technology of news. I was living in New Orleans and I was fortunate. I was one of the people that was able to leave two days ahead of time and had some place to go. The thing about Katrina, it caught everybody off guard because Katrina was a category one headed towards Florida. And generally when a hurricane hits landfall, it drops by one category. So we thought that it would just turn to a tropical storm. So the people in Mississippi and Louisiana, we were praying for the people in Florida, but we had no idea that Katrina would hit Florida.

and do a lot of damage for a cat one. But then she would go back into the Gulf and pick up steam again and pick up those warm waters and then head east toward us. So the usual types of preparation that we could have done, we were unable to do. And it was just a mad dash for people in the city. So a lot of people found themselves stranded there unable to get out. Yeah. They couldn't.

I remember seeing the. traffic trying to get out of there. And in the last minute, hey, we should probably, everyone should run. And you had a lot of people that were poor that didn't have resources. Maybe they used public transportation and different things. And so a lot of them just hunkered down. Yes. And I guess, you know, you guys had had a lot of storms before, but this one was completely different,

especially how to attack the barrier walls that protected the city and the levee walls or whatever they call them. Yes, yes. Yeah. Yeah. You've done your homework on this. Well, I remember watching it. It was, you know, I mean, it was kind of, we were all, you know, we were watching these people trapped in the, in the Superdome. Yes.

What it was? Yeah. The Superdome. And you would see these images and these people are just distraught. And you're like, this is America? What is going on? And you're hearing about, you know, physical assaults, sexual assaults. And in the Superdome, you're hearing about, you know, you know,

know, people are, I mean, it's literally like Armageddon. People are starting to lose it and act out in behavior that's survival mode sort of stuff. So if, so you're out of that area when storm hits. What happens next for you? About three days after the storm. And of course, in the beginning, Katrina came and went overnight, did a lot of destruction. And everybody walked out the next day. And it's like, woo, we got past that. But what. no one knew at the time was that several levees had broken and that the water was steadily making its way into the city. So for that one day, and there were people in the French Quarter celebrating, and, you know, I thought I would be going home in a couple of days. And then all of a sudden, the reality came that the city flooded up to 12 feet in some areas with water. And so what happened was I was out living in a little city called Bellrose with my husband's family, and one set of his relatives were stuck in the Superdome, and then another set were stuck in the convention center.

Oh, wow. So, yeah, and through no thought of their own, the people in the Superdome had checked into a hotel, again, thinking they would be fine, but then everyone in the hotels, including tourists, they were all asked to leave. They had nowhere to go. And then the other couple, the lady was actually a radiologist at Baptist Hospital. And so she stayed to be with the patients. And then when it looked like the hospital was going to flood, they started moving people out. And then they moved them to the convention center.

And so I was asked to, on two different occasions to go along with other family, members to pick them up. And that's kind of where some of the miracles kind of came in because it was like we weren't supposed to get through and somehow we did. And then we did again. And then there were three other, you know, instances that happened along the way. And I started saying to these guys, it's like, you guys, how are we getting through? How is this happening? And then at some point, I said it's like little miracles. And then from there, the name just kind of stuck. Yeah. What was the story in the book? Maybe you want to share with us of one of your favorite stories that maybe you tell in the book or examples. Can you give us a little tease out on that? Yes. The one for the kitty cat, I'm going to hold off on that one because I still, to this day, 20 years later, get very emotional. But the couple of that we rescued from the convention center, it was my husband's cousin, Angela,

and I, we went together to pick this couple up. And somehow, some way, they were at the convention center. They met this lovely young lady. And she said that her husband was on the ship, the Iwo Jima, which was in Algiers, which is just across the Mississippi River bridge in a city called Algiers. And whenever anybody came to the convention center, because everybody was so desperate for water and food and baby formula. People would just flock onto any incoming vehicles whatsoever. So somehow, even with no phones, we think she might have been an angel. We're just not sure. This young lady, she got her husband to come from the ship to pick her up. But he also picked up Mr. and Mrs. Moran because they had befriended her. And she was by herself. And she was a tall,

thin Caucasian girl very pretty and then they took her you know then they all went over to the ship and then Angela and I drove from Bell Rose to pick them up but when we were in line there were probably 20 or 30 cars ahead of us I mean they were turning everybody back just turning everybody back that was not a government official not wildlife and fisheries not National Guard And I said, oh, my God, Angie. And we'd already driven about 70 miles or so, maybe 50 miles. I can't remember. But I said, oh, my God, Angie, they're so going to turn us back.

I said, but, you know, we're this far. And when she put the window down and I was practicing, is it Iwo Jima or Iwo Jima? Because I wanted to get it right. And by the time she put the window down, I said, hello, we are. And before I could even finish, he said, proceed. And Angie just kind of said this. Angie, go. Angie, go. And then when we pulled away, it's like, oh, my God, how did we get through? I mean, we didn't have any kind of government idea, anything. I didn't even get to telling where we were going.

And somehow, some way, he just said proceed. And so we were just sort of fascinated by that. But then when we picked up the morands and we brought them back to Belle Rose, they were telling us all about this young lady. and then it kind of dawned on them. It was like, how did she get in touch with her husband when the phones were down? All of the cell phones were down. How did that happen? So that was kind of, that was the first miracle in the book. But then I said, did you get her phone number?

And Mrs. Moran said, oh, yeah, absolutely did. But when she went in her purse, which was very organized, the number wasn't there. You know, it's just kind of, it's like you could say, okay, it's coincidence this that and the other but on the other hand you could say there was some divine intervention to get them out of there you know because it was just such a such a horrible place to be so anyway let's talk about the second book you have that came out of the first I believe you pulled a chapter talk to us about what the title is there and okay what's aside that okay so I'm a crazy cat lady I have three I love my babies and when I was writing the

book. I had visions of going to like children's hospital. I worked there when I was very young. And I've always kind of worked with children doing community types of things. And I thought, oh, how nice it would be for these kids with cancer that I could go there and read them stories about little miracles to give them hope and everything that they're going through. But then, you know, as it came closer to the end of the book, I was like, oh my God, this is too adult for kids. And the chapters are longer. And I said, I don't think they can relate to that. And I thought, well, but I want to do something.

So chapter seven involves a kitty cat. And I said, you know what? I'm going to make this a children's book. So I've never written a children's book in my life. So I did some research on like illustrations and layouts and that kind of thing. And so I've been in the process of putting that book together. It will be ready to go to press in about two weeks. And part of the miracle in that chapter was hearing just a very simple meow.

And so I said, I'm going to call this one the miracle of the meow. And it's, yeah, it's, I'm excited about little miracles of Katrina, but I swear I'm so excited about miracle of the meow. Can you give us an overview of maybe a story that's out of it or is there a singular story or multiple stories? It's a singular story. There was this cat that was a stray that when I was packing my three to go, I would feed her, but she would never let me touch her. And this one time I was outside sitting on, I had a bench out in front of my house and she jumped on me. And I said, oh, she's trying to like not be feral, but she dug her claws into my jeans. And then when I went to move, she was like, so I was like, oh, no, no.

So my husband came out and I said, you got to get this cat off me. So he dingled his keys and she jumped down. So it wasn't, she wasn't a cat that I could pick up and take with me. So when I was leaving, you know, I said, I'll be back in two days. I've left you all kinds of food and here's some water. You'll be fine. Had no idea it would be six weeks. And so anyway, this story kind of goes from here.

this was the cat that you end up leaving this cat behind when you went to out of town to escape the hurricane okay so it was left behind so it was there during the whole time the six weeks you were gone okay

and so it's a story about you find out what happens the cat when you come back yeah hopefully it ends well but you've got to buy the books to find out folks that's the key why we only tease out parts of the book So what an interesting experience. Did you ever experienced anything like that in your life before that? Any sort of catastrophe like that?

I am telling my age, but I was around for Hurricane Batsy and Hurricane Camille. And my aunt had a dog. She lived in the lower 9th Ward, which is really below sea level, as opposed to certain other areas of the city. And she had a dog named Rusty. and she was a tiny old thing like 4-11 or something mean as hell but anyway she was her name was eva and her own son called aunt evil okay so evil but actually she had a sweet side to her but she and her dog rusty decided to write it out

because that was a very common thing to do back in those days and her area really flooded and somehow some way Rusty got out and she was just in a panic poor thing and then when they were going around they were going in canoes or kayaks I guess to pick up people that that had remained and they picked her

up and they had probably been you know rolling you there let's see here are you there? I'm here oh we had a bit of a glitch out there on the internet, I guess.

So you said, we just missed a second, so go ahead. Okay. So basically, she thought she had lost her dog. And then when she was in the kayak or the canoe, as they were taking her to safety, they saw rusty floating on a mattress. And one of the guys, God bless him, he got out and walked over there and, you know, through that water and mud and grabbed him and brought him to safety. So, yeah, but we had, you know,

When I was a little girl, it was common that our house would flood. My grandmother's house would flood. But only by two or three inches, which usually involved just, you know, changing out the carpet and maybe getting rid of some things, you know, shoes that were in the closet on the floor. But nothing like Katrina. I mean, that, that just in my life, just nothing like that. And my house, we had two floors. And so we had we had 38 inches of water in our home.

And but then part of the roof blew off. So even though the second floor was relatively okay, it wasn't 100%. But the thing that I really, the thing that really gets me about Katrina is just how it uprooted everybody's lives. Even people, you know, even people like me, it was more than the material. It was more than having to replace furniture. And I'll just give an example. My sister and I are, like, ridiculously close.

And we lived about two miles away, and we both loved to cook, although she's a much better cook than I'll ever be. But, like, she might make something, you know, she'd call and say, Nestle, you've got to come over here and try this. And I'm like, girl, I'm on my way. And then, you know, like, I might make my little crawfish pies and say, Vicki, come get some pies. And so I miss that.

And I think so many people that had that kind of life before Katrina, many people have moved out to different areas. Like you said, you know, Baton Rouge, Gonzales, Prairieville, I live in Mandeville. You know, we've all kind of spread out a little bit. And so we'll never have that back the way that we had it, you know, pre-Katrina. A bit of innocence lost. Yes. Yes. That's why they call an innocence lost.

You know, it's an old line from Billy Joel. The past isn't always as good as it seems, but the future, I don't know. But, you know, 1,392 people died, according to Google here. So take it up with them if you don't like the number. The died, estimated word to have died during Katrina. That's a hell of a disaster for an American disaster for human or American lives, I think. I don't know a comparative scale. I have to Google around.

But, you know, I mean, it's indelibly stuck in my brain for the horrific images we were having to see. You'd see, you know, they'd have a helicopter flying over the super dome. And you would see people fighting over stuff, like maybe food or supplies or something. You know, they're just fighting for survival. And, you know, you know they've been trapped in that city for, It was like a week before FEMA got there or something, five. Yeah, yeah, it was several days. Yeah.

And then Bush hadn't even bothered flying out to it. Like a lot of times, you know, they do that flyover thing. And you just heard of it just getting crazy. I had friends that were in the military that said that the drug dealers and stuff tried to take over the central city. It was just gangs and, you know, breaking into shit. And, you know, of course, people are in survival mode. You know, the most haunting things was watching people trapped on rooftops in the Ninth Ward.

Yes. And realizing that there were people that there were inside those buildings that probably drowned, you know, they couldn't get to their attic and tear a hole through their own attic. And I remember thinking just the horror of that process. You're in your home, you're trapped with the water, and you realize the only way to go is up and you have a sealed roof. Like when I was a kid, I saw the Poseidon adventure. Remember that story?

And, you know, the ship gets turned over on its top, and they have to find a way to make it to the bottom of the ship because that's the top now. And then somehow, you know, get through the shiphole, like, who the hell does that? But, you know, if you got a good weekend, maybe, and some welding. But, yeah, what a crazy thing. And you're like, okay, I've got to somehow, what tools do I have? Because I'm not prepared.

and I got to tear a hole through my roofs so that I can sit on my roof and there are people that I think sat on on roofs for a couple days. They did and that blistering heat. It was so hot. Oh my God. The irony, you know, all that water

and that heatness spread too, probably. But yeah, I mean, a lot of different things that happened, a lot of triumphs of the human spirit, a lot of failures of the human spirit, just the amount of deaths and you just saw the desperation of the people getting pulled off the roofs and you're like, God, imagine

being stuck on your roof for two or three days. You don't know if the water is going to rise above the roof and a shop? You don't know. I mean, you're just sitting there on an island that's the top of your house. And, you know, so I think anybody who had a lot of empathy for other human beings

just saw it as a horror show. And we just went, this is America? I thought we had shit straight. Like, we have FEMA and we have all this other stuff. The irony is, We don't even really have a good FEMA now in 2025. So, God forbid, one other one of these should happen. I know.

Oh, my God. I shuddered a thing. And, you know, one of the things that I didn't learn until, oh, years later, was that there was this one reporter who was reporting on how all the African Americans from the convention center were looting and, you know, and yes, we've. all seeing them take, you know, taking big TVs out and all that stuff, you know, when they're angry. And when I say they, I mean anybody, blacks, whites, whatever.

But in this instance, there were people going to get formula and diapers and water. And they weren't showing that, you know, they were just saying, oh, these people are looting, but there were people that were literally going and getting those things and bringing them to the convention center to say. some of those little children, but you didn't see that on television, which is really sad because they were to the extent that they could. They were trying to help themselves. And I guess for me, they're eventually going to throw all that stuff out anyway, and

why don't I get the National Guard to get in front of those stores and hand things out? It's right there because they never did bring trucks in. And, you know, so it was just looking at those little babies on TV and the elderly people in those wheelchairs. That's, they didn't live all of their lives, a good life to end up like that. It was ridiculously sad. Yeah. It was, it was really a failure on the U.S. government's part on a massive scale. I believe it transcended to the voting booth.

But I remember the whole experience. I mean, I was glued to the TV. I worked for myself at the time, and so I was watching it on TV at home, and, I mean, it was just 24-7 on CNN, I think was back in the day when they, you know, they ran news that way. And, yeah, it's the horror of watching people in the house, people cutting through their own roofs. Then you'd see a roof that didn't have a hole cut in it, and you're like, wonder if there's anybody in there. And I remember them having to mark the homes that had bodies in them. And they're still, according to Google, there are still 652 missing bodies from that storm. Oh, my God.

Can you imagine? I mean, no one knows where they're at. They could be, I mean, imagine the mud that came in was extraordinary. You know, I've been in different floods and stuff or, you know, post floods. And the mud that comes, the dirt that comes, you know, I mean, the stuff that comes in the house. Yeah. I remember there was a big Tunga Canyon in California, they, you know, they try to cut the brush down so that, you know, it doesn't catch on fire or if it catches on fire, there's no brush. And then when the rains come, everything just turns into landslides of muds.

You can't win in California. It's either fires or mudslides. And so I remember walking through this mud that was like knee deep. And then the one of the hills that. had been there had been a cemetery and so people had literally bodies and coffins in their front yard from the mud flow and I imagine there was a lot of that going on because I imagine there's cemeteries in in well there's cemeteries in in New Orleans but they're above ground right because yes yes so here now they're getting wet and probably had some bodies floating around and coffins that's a little disturbing let me tell you when you you know I remember finding a

coffin in someone's front yard and in Topanga, California during a flood. And I was like, I hope he's still in there. I'm not going over there. That's coughing. There's somebody who's in control of this. And not to make a lot of the situation,

but yeah, it's a horror show. It's not cool. And so, yeah, I mean, but I remember being like just knee deep in the stuff. And I lost my shoe. That was the problem. And they're like, just walk through the knee-deep mud. So I did.

And like the first step, I lost my shoe. And that's a real problem when the mud's two feet deep. You're like, how do I go back from my shoe? Clearly, we didn't think this thing through. But, you know, that's why you're supposed to have the government there, like FEMA and stuff that happens. And it's probably a good reminder to, you know, we're going to have an event like this.

I think we've had some other scary events, what, in Houston and Texas, I think. And it seems like these storms just getting bigger. Right now I live in Utah, and people are losing their crap. I've got to go back and forth between Utah and Vegas, but right now I'm in Utah. People losing the crap here because there's no snow on the ground. There's all these skiers that are coming here. And so our climate is changing. I agree.

dispute it it's you know that we had a we had a what a tornado or cyclone or hurricane that came into california from the west coast it never happens it's like a hundred year uh event and we keep having these you know 100 year 200 year thousand year events and it's really scary but like right now we literally have no snow it's it's basically like wow aside from being cold here it's the summer and so you know these skier people that paid for their vacation ago evident it's non-refundable between, I don't know if they use points or if they just, they're just non-refundable. So their hotels and their ski trip is non-refundable. So they're just coming and there's no snow on the ground. They're like literally just like there's like a little bit of

snow, you know, because they have the snowmakers. But it's the weirdest Christmas ever not having snow. We're just all sitting around going, last night I thought I was going to snow started blowing a little bit and then it disappeared and so you know we got a your book's a good example and a reminder that we got to we got to try and get on these things better and now that FEMA's been dissolved you know I'm hearing that you're hearing about cities now that they can't get their costs covered they're being just told to F off uh no FEMA's not going to show up and you're like okay okay okay we pay taxes the federal government for this uh you know we're need to look at what we're doing. So it's a good reminder of that. What do you hope people

come away with from the books as you read them? Okay. I've actually, I've sold a few copies and I've asked more than a few. It's actually doing okay. But I've asked people, I said, I really want your honest opinion. You know, what can I do better? What can I improve in it? And they're like, the last person that read it, she's actually in Mexico. And she said the book gave her chills because she was from Louisiana, although now. not, she didn't experience Katrina, but just to kind of hear it in the way that I told it, because I start out in the first few chapters talking about how we weren't prepared. You know, I had to give a little, a little sort of synopsis on how we got there.

And she said it really gave her chills because of some of the, some of the events that occurred. And she said she could see that. But the thing, Chris, more than anything that brings me joy is when I'm talking to someone about the incidences that happened, and for that brief moment and time, they stop and they say, you know, come to think of it, this occurred when I was going through that. And so it kind of gives them a little rather than just saying, you know, this was a coincidence or whatever. it's like, you know what, I really did receive grace. I really did receive blessings when I was going through these difficult times with the storm. And it doesn't even have to be with the storm. You know, it's like, don't ever, my message would be don't ever feel that hope is not out there,

whether it's in the form of a little miracle, whether it's in the form of someone just showing up at your front door. And that's really the message I want to give. because with everything that my husband and I lost and my sister, all the materials we lost, you know, we still had each other, we still had family, we got through it. And it's like I say in the book, you know, we are a very resilient city. We've had to be because we've gone through these things many times over the years. So that's really my message. It's like whether you're of faith or not is immaterial.

but you know it's like sometimes we're so quick to believe that miracles occur with other people and and the best example is the miracle on the Hudson in my mind that was a miracle but but you know scientists can say well the water was the perfect temperature and the plane landed at the right angle and and they can always make it non-miraculous you know what I mean and people could probably do that with some of the stories in my book. But the fact that we're quick to recognize these big magnanimous miracles, but sometimes we don't recognize them for ourselves. It's almost like, do we think we deserve them? And I think everybody does. Everybody deserves the opportunity to know that, you know, in the midst of chaos

and pain and whatever, there's some entity, whether you believe in God or the angels, for me, It's my grandmother. She saved me two times so far. Whatever you believe, you have to believe in something because that's what will get you through these moments of hard times and pain. Hope always sells. It's the enduring point of human beings and what they do. So a great uplifting message.

Thank you very much, Maria, for coming the show. We really appreciate it. Give us your dot-coms. Where can people find you on the interwebs? Again, it's books by M.V. And if you want the shortened version, it's nessusbooks.com. And that's where you'll find me and any other books that will be coming along down the road. And Chris, thank you so much.

I've been looking forward to this for over a month now. You may be very comfortable and I really appreciate it. Thank you. We try and make our guests comfortable because we do that. then they easily, you know, they feel like they can express themselves well. You know, we used to have people come on the show and we terrorize them and play loud of noises and I don't know. I'm just making stuff up. Maybe we used to do that.

Maybe that's a format for a new show. We terrorize the guest as the get, like we troll the guests, we terrorize them as they try and tell us how great their book is. And they have to overcome that barrier. And then it's kind of like, it's kind of like the hot wings. You ever seen the Hot Wings YouTube channel where they make the poor actor or musician like eat these hot wings that basically melts their face and tongue off? Oh my God. And then they're trying to talk about their acting career and stuff, you know. So how was it in Iron Eagle 20 in the movie?

And, you know, the actor's like, oh, my God, but I'm bleeding out my eyes. You're like, well, tell us about the movie, stupid. you know like we should do one of those one of those podcasts people eat stuff or we here's an idea we hooked them up to shock lines we can send across the phone wires and then we shock them at different times to see if we can get them out of their their pitch media points I think about a million I think people

have paid to see this at this point of such a sadistic society I think I think I think this is the narcissism win right here. You're funny. I don't know. It's uh, you're right now you're just going in your head like,

thank God I got my interview before you started this crap. I'm glad I got in before he got a win. Yeah. Christmas. Chris Voss. The Christmas show podcast. It'll shock you. Just put a,

just put a battery underneath your feet. know, and we'll just go full ISIS on you with, you know, hook them out some nipples and start torching people. So what made you write this book, soldier? Anyway, all right. Maybe we'll think about that some more, folks. But in the meantime, check out her book, wherever fine books are sold. And also refer to the show to your family friends or relatives.

Go to giddharys.com for this Christmas. Why is everyone canceling the show now in appearance? All these cancellations are coming. through the rest of you're listening. He's going to shock us? He's going to shock our nipples with a battery? The hell is going on? Yeah, we'll spray with water first, just like the movies.

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