The Chris Voss Show - The Chris Voss Show Podcast – Loving Your Place on the Spectrum: A Neurodiversity Blueprint by Jude Morrow

Episode Date: August 7, 2021

Loving Your Place on the Spectrum: A Neurodiversity Blueprint by Jude Morrow Loving Your Place on the Spectrum: A Neurodiversity Blueprint provides answers to many of your questions about autism, helping you to embrace neurodiversity and love your autistic self and the autistic people in your life. Jude Morrow speaks from personal experience when he says that he has learned to be proud to be autistic and he wants you to be proud too. Browse through the many books available on autism and you might notice a trend: too many of them are written by neurotypical professionals who aim to “fix” autism or help autistic people appear “normal.” Jude Morrow noticed this problem and decided that something needed to change. Loving Your Place on the Spectrum is a guide for living a happy and successful autistic life. Jude combines his own experiences as an autistic man with the stories of others to provide a handbook to help autistic individuals navigate life’s major changes, from childhood to college, jobs, and relationships. Each chapter identifies common issues faced by autistic people of a particular age or social group and explains how educators, teachers, parents, and professionals can be supportive through all these life stages. The world needs a new perspective on autism, and Jude Morrow’s Loving Your Place on the Spectrum provides parents, workplaces, individuals, and society an alternative, strengths-based viewpoint, where autistic people are accepted, embraced, and loved.

You wanted the best. You've got the best podcast, the hottest podcast in the world. The Chris Voss Show, the preeminent podcast with guests so smart you may experience serious brain bleed. Get ready, get ready, strap yourself in. Keep your hands, arms and legs inside the vehicle at all times. Because you're about to go on a monster education roller coaster with your brain now here's your host chris voss hi folks this is voss here from the chris voss show.com the chris voss show.com hey we're coming here with another great podcast we certainly appreciate you guys tuning in thanks for being here we have a returning guest today and he's gonna he's coming here for a second time. We're hoping to have him for his third,

fourth, fifth, tenth, all that sort of good stuff. We'll have to give him a robe, I think, after number five, or at least a coffee cup. Anyway, guys, you'll be looking forward to talking to him here in a few minutes. But in the meantime, go to youtube.com, 4Chess, Chris Fossey, the bell notification button. Go to goodreads.com, 4Chess, Chris Fossey, everything we're reading and reviewing over there. Go to all of our groups on Facebook, LinkedIn, Twitter, Instagram, TikTok, all those wonderful places. You can see us at there. Today, like I mentioned, he's a prolific author, speaker, brilliant mind on the subject of what he talks about. And we'll be discussing his second book. We actually had him on the show for the first book,

if you want to go back and see it last year. His new book is coming out September 14th, 2021, Loving Your Place on the Spectrum, a Neurodiversity Blueprint by Jude Morrow. And Jude is joining us today, but let me give you some rundown on him. He is an autistic, best-selling author, entrepreneur, philanthropist, and keynote speaker from Derry, North Ireland. Jude travels the world to showcase through his talks that autistic children can grow up to live happy and successful lives. His books are published by Beyond Words, publisher of The Secret. Jude is the founder of Neurodiversity Training International, the world's premier autistic-led training and consulting firm to global nonprofits and Fortune 500 companies. Jude is also a two-time TEDx speaker and nurtures parents, teachers, and professionals to develop

a kinder mindset towards autistic people, young and old. Welcome to the show, my good friend, Jude. How are you? I'm really well, Chris. Thanks so much for having me on. And the introduction was R2K. R2K. So thank you for that.

Delighted to be back. I've been looking forward to this for weeks. Whenever I had the chance to come back on, obviously I jumped at it. Yeah, awesome. And when we saw the PR thing come across, hey, can we get this guy on your show? I'm like, yeah, you're getting him on our show. All right. We're friends with him.

We know him. So welcome to the show. Congratulations on another great book that you put out. And it's going to be exciting. Give us your plugs so people can find you on the interwebs. My plugs, my own personal website is judemorrow.com. The MTI website, the Neurodiversity Training Interventional website, is neurodiversity-training.net.

And my new book, Loving Your Place in the Spectrum, I'm immensely proud of it. It's more of a collaborative effort. And it's available in all major online retailers, Barnes & Noble, Amazon, wherever you get your online books and so on and so forth wherever fine books are sold as they like to say so what motivated you want to put out the second book it's actually very interesting because the first book whenever it came out was very successful it was a very humbling experience it was crazy like

from the last time I was on your, to now has been just a complete whirlwind where I was speaking to groups, going to schools, meeting parents, signing books, and doing a lot of virtual stuff during lockdown. And as I became more at peace with the fact that I'm autistic and became more open about it, and more people started to know about me. I started to meet, mingle and mix with other autistic and neurodivergent people and it was a very transformative experience for me because I found my tribe, so to speak, where the first book was getting my story out there and then I was the little lost lamb in the wilderness looking for looking for the trade and I found it and I found myself getting a lot of questions from people

whenever I'd done talks and speeches and after dinner stuff and I decided to collect them into a book almost to be somewhat of a sequel to the first book whilst being a collection of short stories based upon questions that professionals, parents, and even fellow autistic people have. And there's a few amazing contributors in the book as well to amplify the autistic voices as well. So it's like a miniature paper platform and it's only- There you go. There you go.

Give us an arcing overview of the book what it entails the book seeks to give the autistic perspective on a lot of things like whenever you look through literature it's the vast majority of global opinion and research now use the term research very loosely whenever it comes to autistic people, is based upon the outsider's view of it. So it's what people on the outside looking in at it think it is. So I thought, how about we get our experiences as a collective of autistic people, what the autistic experience is, even from the most basic of things that people take for granted. Like a couple of the topics that are discussed in the book are the likes of employment because our really sad statistic is that only 16% and this is globally only 16% of autistic people are in paid employment and that is a travesty because the vast

majority of autistic people are of either average or above average intelligence for the most part. And it just seeks to highlight the really challenging kind of plane of trying to get onto the workplace because whenever you go for a job and it doesn't matter what job it is, that really what you're doing is you're learning how to pass an interview and learn the buzzwords

of a particular interviewer that they like to hear to give you the points to get the job. It's very hard for us to do those types of things where you have to have almost like a false kind of persona to get through the interview stage. And it's something that's a big, big challenge. It's something that I want to bring awareness of for sure. And even other things where there's a lot of things that I like to address. And there's a lot of, like, even whenever the first book came out, I'd read a lot of things, Jude Morrow, who has autism, but the vast majority of autistic people prefer that we are autistic people. Because a lot of people would say that people have autism and and the reason why autistic is preferred because it's a key part

of our identity is who we are it's why we view the world and my take on it is you wouldn't say a person has autism in the same way you wouldn't say a man with gay or a a person with trans you wouldn't say that and that that is the gay community, gay people, and we are autistic people. So it's somewhat similar. So it's looking to address all these little things from the autistic side. That's one of the things I love about the book is you're helping both sides. So you're helping us understand better that aren't autistic. But that teaches me something new.

It's like saying, you know, you or I have humanity. And you're like, what? We have, we're human? i have humanity and you're like what we have we're human we have human it we're human and we we don't have human although we have human nature which is its own problem but uh that's another joke but i love this uh because you're helping bridge the communication gap the understanding gap and i have to i i somebody had to explain the autistic spectrum to me and last night at clubhouse we had a big discussion about the spectrum. There was a couple of people that didn't understand the spectrum and we had to explain what that is.

Fortunately, we had some other really brilliant people that were in there that, you know, could explain it. And because people were, oh, I thought this was over here and that was over there. And we're like, no, it's really, it's really quite the spectrum. But understanding these terms, how to address people, how to just communicate with people better and understand each other better. It is for sure. And I love that you brought up like the autistic spectrum, because if you really pause and think about it, and I would challenge everybody listening to this, to really think about this point is that the vast majority of knowledge about autism, the autistic people, and even the autistic spectrum, isn't formed strictly medical research and guidelines. It's formed mostly by marketing companies who are selling

these interventions. You know, the idea that there's an autism level one, two, three, four, and five, where it's technically a marketing masterstroke where the likes of intellectual disabilities which are perfectly fine to have because everybody has strengths talents wishes wants and feelings but the fact that intellectual disabilities has been called severe autism is slightly misleading because really you can be severely autistic in the same way that one can be severely left-handed. It's just there. It just exists. I just noticed that somebody has said thank you.

So I don't know who it is, but I want to say to them that you're welcome. There you go. There you go. I mean, we're all impacted by it. We all have friends that have autism or children that have autism. I have a lot of friends that have autism. And I see their conversations on Facebook, how they struggle at work, how they struggle with communication. And many of them, I think most of

the savants are on the spectrum, aren't they? Anybody who's ever been a savant is usually on the spectrum. And I've seen some people that were on the spectrum that you tell them a city or a zip code and they'll tell you, I think what it is, you tell them a city and they'll tell you the zip code. They have all the zip codes memorized. My friend's a young boy. He has a talent where when he wants to focus, he has a hyper focus. I don't because, you know, I'm like, oh, what's the latest thing on Instagram notification? He has a hyper focus.

And like you say, there are different personality traits that all of us have that we excel at and they can be utilized as a great way to use. We just have to figure a way to tap into those resources and help everybody. Exactly. Whenever it comes to autistic people, there's a big injustice that exists in the world. If you're autistic, you're obsessed with something. It's quite challenging, even for me, whenever the symptoms and inverted commas are referred to as obsession or interest with menial things. You know, expertise has many different things, many different points to it. But if you're autistic, you're obsessed with something. But if you're not autistic, you're an expert, which is a bit baffling to me.

I haven't been able to get my head around that one at all. And it's the fact that the thing is that some of the most gifted and talented people ever to have existed have been autistic, like our team, Einstein, Murray. Very recently in the media, Wentworth Miller has recently said it, Elon Musk, Dan Aykroyd, but yet we're the ones with a disorder. It just raises an eyebrow, doesn't it? Yeah, it does.

You guys are the smart ones, actually, in the room. What is that thing about they always say about how there's stupid people, 50% are the average stupid person? It's a George Cronin bit. And he says, yeah, you have to realize that the average person, 50% of them are below average and stupid or something like this. But, yeah, I've seen people have, my mom tuned into this a lot as a teacher. She found that there were different people that had really good skills at certain things. Sometimes someone's really at mind logic stuff. Sometimes people are really good at hands-on blue collar work.

They can take an engine and do stuff with that that I can't. I'm just, I look at it and my brain goes scrambling. And so everyone has different talents and being able to accept everyone inclusive and understand each other better is so good. I know a lot of my autistic friends, that's usually what they're talking about is the communication, you know, trying to communicate in the different styles that we're using. And I've been in those situations with everybody where I'm like, sometimes it's with accents where I have trouble going, understanding the accent and going, okay, where do I go from here? That need to want to help each other communicate and lift each other up. The rising tide lifts all boats. Yeah.

Because everybody communicates differently. Unfortunately, if you're autistic, it just doesn't really seem to be as accepted or respected as anything else. The notion out there is because the majority of people have a power they have a very scary power that they wield at every given opportunity is that they get to decide so whenever it comes to autistic people it's one between one and a half and two percent of the global population so the other 98 percent of people have a really dangerous power and that they get to decide what's disordered in comparison to them. Because even in my TED talk, I talked about my real deep love for English mustard. And I do want to take this opportunity to put out an appeal is that if anybody is in LA and happens

to be at Philippe's sandwich place to please send me a bottle of their mustard. Thank you very much. Such is my love for spicy mustard. But if people that don't like mustard, do they have a disordered palate? They do, actually. They do. I have that from the judges. They do, yes. People that don't like mustard. My time in the show is over. Goodbye.

No, I'm saying that people that don't like mustard don't like mustard. Oh, yeah, sorry. I don't like mustard like you or I of the echelon. That's a hating mustard disorder. It's a real thing. Even with my therapy that I've created, hating mustard disorder therapy,

where people get a chocolate treat or trying to enjoy an activity that they like if they take a spoonful of English mustard in their food. We can laugh about that anecdotally now but for autistic kids in the world that happens because if we like to click our fingers or or toe tap or keep notepads beside them incessantly and everything that there's actually therapies out there that try to dull our sparkle to make us fit in with everybody and one thing that i like to do to try and communicate is to try and convey a serious public anecdote like we can laugh that the people that don't like mustard have a disordered palate but the thing is that we have a perfectly good communication style learning method learning style

but yet because that's so disordered apparently we need 30 to 50 hours of therapy a week to try and resolve it which is sad yeah what's the old saying that uh the level of what's normal or seen as sane is probably highly insane there's just so many people who decided that's sane so therefore it is have you ever gone to the mustard festival in napa there's like uh that's a hell of a thing to go to there's a mustard festival yeah dude there's a mustard festival in a nap every year you go up there they have all the mustard they have if you love mustard oh my god dude i'm gonna write this time yeah you need to leave ireland just move just give up just don't even pack your house just leave there's a mustard festival well there's a mustard festival napa and napa valley here let. Napa and Napa Valley. Here, let me pull it up. Napa

Festival. So I was agreeing with you earlier. I guess maybe I miscommunicated, but I was agreeing with you earlier because I love mustard. And if I meet somebody who hates mustard, I look at them harshly and then I block them on Facebook. And so you should. Yeah. Let's see. Is it the Festival Napa Valley?

Oh, hold on. I just typed in Napa Festival. You have to type in mustard, but they put on a huge festival there. You go up there. It's the, it's the, it's the season of the of the mustard proceeds of the Napa Valley mustard festival. So it's mustard festival.com. And you can see images if you're, if you, since you're in Ireland, you can use that as your mustard porn. You can see the pictures and stuff.

But it's beautiful because the fields are all in bloom and stuff. But they throw, you go up there and probably everything is mustard. But if you love mustard, you'll find your solace and your place in the world. I'm going to put it on the list. It's definitely on my bucket list now to go to this Napa Valley Mustard Festival. It's funny that since I gave my TED Talk, I've got a lot of mustard-related gifts. That's funny as heck. I judge harshly anybody who doesn't like mustard.

Especially if it's really spicy or it's got the seeds in it and stuff. People are like, I like the little... There's a place for the cheap mustard, but you've got to get the really good stuff, right? Yeah, have to get you have to get the proper fiery mustard it's it's nice now that because we like mustard see this like mustard bonding that we've just done is that whenever I started speaking to more autistic people it was like this mustard bonding equivalent it was like this is like a snapshot into what having your tribe was like and it's nice to have a sense of belonging for sure and it's one thing that i wanted to make very clear in the book is that whenever people are like you and it can be a lonely experience the whole being autistic thing

really can't it can be a lonely experience because whenever you grow up feeling inside yourself that you're so completely socially unacceptable and you have to do what they're doing over there so that you can fit in with them so it takes a long time to get over that and I would only say that I've only properly gotten over that point probably within the last 18 months probably whenever I started getting acquainted with more people so what I wanted to do in this book as well was to even show parents that yes we can grow up and be happy and successful and whilst we might like different things like spicy mustard ballet poetry or steam engines or no matter what it may be or sports that we still have preferences and communication styles that should be respected rather than suppressed at any given opportunity

it's really important we need to have everybody in the pool and of course this muster people we got to stick together against them catch up only people yeah they're not right anyway i'm just kidding give a tease out some other aspects of the book to encourage readers to buy it it's uh one thing i really wanted to bring the light is that there's a lot of discussion in there about relationships in general because a couple of contributors because believe it or not like autistic people and people listening may have autistic kids and believe it or not they will grow up biology says that they will grow up when they reach 18 they will be a grown adult some may get married and have kids and so on and there's there's a couple of chapters in it that deal with uh relationships because it's relationships for

both people and them are autistic are going to be a little bit rare and with my wonderful other half penny is not autistic and there's there's a couple of good tips and pointers in there autistic communication styles and the need for space and to have time for our hobbies and i'm just pretty much like every other human being in the world so it deals with a lot of topics and I didn't want the book to be just my voice where my opinion where this is just what I'm saying on behalf of the entire autistic and neurodivergent community around the world that's why I got more people but what one story particularly I can't wait for everybody to read is that of Adrian Newcastle and Adrian Newcastle and I whenever I brought out the first book he recorded the audio book after recording the audio book for Why Does Daddy

Always Look So Sad he had a conversation with his lovely wife who thought wow the guy in this book sounds an awful lot like you Adrian and subsequently went down the diagnosis route and recognized that he was autistic himself so it was it was a real great it was like it was like fate it was like it was just meant to happen like he was meant to narrate my book and have an answer to why he was different as well it was just a beautiful thing we've become reasonably close in the last couple of years we talk very frequently and it was lovely for him to not use his voice but put pen to paper but we have other great contributors in there too that's awesome man that's awesome and i love how you bridge the gap between both

parties you make you you make more people feel accepted i've had times in my life where i've needed a tribe for people who understand me and usually it's a bunch of madmen in a rubber room for me because we've all seen that. But no, sometimes I need to try. When my dog passed away, I never had a dog pass away or anyone around me in 27 years. I really needed a human tribe to come in and help me process the grief and what I was dealing with from a feeling level because I didn't have any sort of calluses to it. And talking about my pain helped other people and brought people in. And suddenly I was using my story to help other people. And this is what's great about what you're doing. You've helped a lot of people that feel marginalized, that feel outside of, like you say, the broader community.

That's probably crazy as heck because I'm in it. I know. We're nuts. They feel alienated. They feel marginalized. And so you're helping bring their message through. And you're also helping bridge that gap where we can all talk to each other and understand each other more and not see a group of people as victims or as a disorder, like you say, where it's, no, these folks actually have really great talents and specificities, and we need to figure out how to incorporate them and make them feel completely welcome in everyone's environment. This is all of ours. And on that point, actually, I wanted to mention, for the likes of parents,

because whenever people would say, and this is in general, and it's quite sad that someone says oh my child's autistic the default reply in the world is oh dear i'm very sorry to hear that oh wow oh dear that's awful and i want to change that narrative i want to change that narrative to one that has more positivity incorporated within it where Where is that approach naive? Well, probably shoot me then. The approach is naive, but if it means that some extra kids get to grow up feeling proud and happy and confident in who they are and their abilities, then it's all worthwhile.

Definitely. And I applaud you as being a leader in this and really building a community and sharing it and get everybody involved because it's people are brilliant in every different way. If you've ever seen, if you've seen the stuff I do, I think pretty much the internet has decided I'm a complete moron. But there's a lot of people who are smarter than me and they should be championed and they should do stuff. So a part of the book is a guide for living a happy and successful life, autistic life. So this would be a good book to give to an autistic friend

or child or something along those lines to help them just regal in their glory and see themselves as a proponent of what they specialize in, what they're really great at and how to be better. Is that a good analogy? It is. It's a perfect analogy because even in every social media app or whether it's Instagram or Facebook and and everything else there's there there's a lot of autism themed party parties which is quite sad where there's and parents and don't get me wrong there's a lot of parents that are very well meaning they want to do their best and want to learn from autistic people and I salute and I'd love to applaud but I can't because I have to hold my microphone but there's a lot of there's a lot of social media sadness going around if someone has a bad day and everything sharing it up not that I'm against sharing feelings but you know the vast majority

of the social and cyber space on the internet is taken up by negativity I just want to do my bit at least for some people to not resort to the kind of sadness or negative space because if you go to a party it doesn't matter what kind of party it is maybe I'm just speaking for myself but I tend to stay longer than I should and maybe other people do the same so it's something that I'd like to get rid of because people now even young parents where there's a lot of like pictures and videos shared up on on social media and again going back my previous point these kids as biology dictates will grow up and may discover in years to come so hello mom and dad so I see that in 2021 you put up a lot of pictures of me crying and shocked but it's true it is true and how embarrassing that would be is that i don't think people have the foresight to realize that whilst it could be reaching out for support for the short term that it could have effect on the child who

then grows up and gets a beard with gray hairs in it might cause harm later on down the line i i thank god my parents can post any of my pictures i've seen the pictures that they have here and and i think there's one picture where i'm wearing a the toilet bowl the potty training thing on my head fortunately it was empty but yeah just shut her sometimes when i see it oh it's a bonus yeah that's my mom wants to blackmail me. She's got the pictures. The one thing that's great about the book, too, is it provides a handbook to help autistic individuals navigate major life changes, childhood to college, jobs and relationships. And each chapter identifies common issues faced by autistic people of different age groups and social groups. Talk to us a little bit about that and how that helps people. What I really wanted to cover is I wanted to give the autistic perspective because whenever I, I don't know if came out as the right term,

but as autistic, but I'll use it anyway. I started to read other books. So what literature exists out there for autistic people about, for example, going through third level education. So I was given these books and again, they weren't written by autistic people. They were written by professionals or very well-meaning parents that can only really define one experience. Now on my side, I can only define one experience as well, which is my own.

But it's one of those things, being autistic, is that no matter how much people try and say I understand what you're going I don't really believe it in the same way that you can't empathize with someone who's blind simply because you can close your eyes it's that so I wanted to give the experience from the inside out. And the way I've written it is that I've written it in a way that isn't edited for a majority of like neuro typical audiences where autistic people would be able to read that and think I can relate to that, I do that. Where there isn't a one size fits all solution whenever it comes

to any of life's major issues. But whenever you get advice from someone you can relate to it makes it all the more powerful like in my social work days i saw everything i saw everything you name it working with you know the elderly and frail population you get to see everything and no intervention or treatment in the world is as effective as peer-to-peer support. I think it's the most powerful thing. It's how, for example, Alcoholics Anonymous or Narcotics Anonymous has really taken off because you get a sponsor,

someone who's been on the journey and can guide you through yours. Not that I'm looking to establish like an autistic kind of AA type of thing, but you always get more kind of results and value from listening to someone who can relate to you. And that's exactly what I wanted to write for. I wanted to write for people who would be able to relate to it. And I've been through a lot of things. I'm growing old now.

I'm 31 next week. Yeah, you're really over the hill, man. I'm getting really over the hill because a point that 31 next week is that the life expectancy for autistic people on average is only 36 to 54. Really? Yeah. So it's coming to the stage now as a 31-year-old where sadly people like me go. Now, is there a reason behind that? There is.

And there's a very clear reason. And the fact is that we're not really accepted for who we are. And growing up through the mainstream system where being autistic is viewed as a disorder, you're constantly having to adapt to a world that's not really made for you. And then when you grow up, it leads to anxiety. It leads to stress. It leads to high blood pressure, strokes, more susceptible to substance misuse, and worse things. Wow. Wow, that's unfortunate.

That needs to change for sure. So hopefully your book can take us down that road. Anything else we want to touch on about the book and tease out to readers? Anything I want to touch on with this book, other than the fact that I'm extremely proud of it, and other than the pre-order, buying it, reading it, enjoying it, leaving reviews everywhere you can, tell other people about it. Get people to read it and enjoy it, because that's what I want with this book. I want, my goal for this book is to be a text that people can look at to really learn about the autistic experience.

Because the way it is, there's a call to action in it for autistic people around the world to use their voices as well. Because for long enough, we didn't use our voices and it led to other people using theirs for us on our behalf to gain a lot of outcomes that we didn't really need or want yeah yeah this is really important share the message share the love educate people and everything else and all the good stuff anything more we want to touch on before i go out and give us your my final plugs the book is out on the in the us on the 14th of september 2021 and in the uk ireland and Europe it's the 25th of October it's available at all online book retailers so get on get a look at it and please stay in touch with me I love to chat so I'm on Facebook Instagram LinkedIn there's both Jude Morrow

and Neurodiversity Training International and I love to chat a bit too much sometimes but my door is always open you and I are two peas the pod in that sense where we love to chat a bit too much sometimes but my door is always open you and i are two peas the pod in that sense where we love to talk also check out jude's uh first book why does daddy always look so sad i thought it was a touching book uh beautiful book i don't know if a memoir is the right word but basically a thing for your son that you're trying to communicate i always tell the people the story and and it's really touching. And most, I don't know if most is the right word, but a lot of people have autistic kids, and they're non-autistic parents, but you have something very opposite where you're an autistic father,

and you love your son, and he's non-autistic, and you're trying to communicate the two. And there's a beauty there between a father and son that I think is really unique. Yeah, I love that because for most literature it is about parents writing about their autistic kids and for me it's I'm an autistic dad to a non-autistic son who I actually had to bribe to so that he wouldn't enter the room in the middle of this interview. It's been great and he's getting old now. Ethan's eight now. Whenever people ask how Ethan is because Ethan gets more fan mail than me. He always has. Ethan's been great and he's getting old now. Ethan's eight now. Whenever people ask how Ethan is, because Ethan gets more fan

mail than me. He always has. Ethan's a media Hollywood sweetheart. It's funny with Ethan because whenever I did live events, do you ever see in shows that the Queen has someone in white gloves with her to say to the people who's meeting her, this is the Queen?

Ethan does that for me and he's eight where he's like, this is my daddy, this jim morrow and i'm like hello because for me this is all rehearsed like this interview i've already done four times today whenever i'm like on a conference like a live venue i'm like hello i don't know if you can see the comment that's up on the screen, but it threw me for a second. And then I realized the last... That would be my mother. That would be your mom. She's left two messages.

I'll put the other one up. And at first I thought, well, someone said hello. That doesn't sound like a question. And then this came up and I was like, did we talk about moms on the show? And then it finally came together. Hello. Thanks, mom. Thanks for joining in and hello thanks mom thanks for joining

in and commenting and thanks for sending us your fine son thank you so much oh my hero guide shining light and we do have another visitor who broke the promise ethan you may show yourself now i know you're here you're behind the chair but he's here there he is oh this is the guy that couldn't keep to the deep he's getting a SAG card now yes that was good for the live Ethan you've done your best give him a little bit in the sack alright that's

we just got a whole family reunion here I feel like I should just keep the show going so yeah I just this is awesome so this is great and it's wonderful so thank you for coming on the show Jude we're good friends we. So this is great and it's wonderful. So thank you for coming on the show, Jude. We're good friends.

We talk in the back channel and it's been just an honor to know you for so many years. You got a giant heart and a giant brain. And so people like you enlighten me and make me smarter. So I certainly appreciate it. Thank you for coming on the show. Thank you so much. It was a pleasure to be here. And Ethan, please.

He's going to end up on CNN. Get the camera. That is Ethan. There you go. Hollywood sweetheart. He's better than this man. Get him a YouTube channel or Twitch channel. Oh, no.

He's going to take that now. I already have a YouTube channel. See, there we go. That I don't use. This is live, Ethan. Come on. Yeah, he's doing good. He's doing fine. So, guys, thank you very much for coming to the show, Ethan. Come on. Yeah, he's doing good. He's doing fine.

So, guys, thank you very much for coming on the show, Jude, and his son and his mom, as they say. Check out the book. It's September 14th, wherever fine books are sold. Loving Your Place on the Spectrum, a neurodiversity blueprint. And order the books up wherever it's sold. Give it away to your friends, neighbors, relatives. Thanks, guys, for tuning in, and we'll see you guys next time.

Thank you. Bye.