The Chris Voss Show - The Chris Voss Show Podcast – Miracle Minded Manager by John J. Murphy Interview

Episode Date: June 10, 2020

Miracle Minded Manager by John J. Murphy Interview

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Anyway, guys, welcome to the show. We certainly appreciate it. We got an incredible book author today. Holy Judas. This guy has written 20 books. 20 books. I'm still trying to write my first book. He's like, I can't even catch up, so I won't even try.

But that's why we have him on the show is so we can talk to him and find out all the wonderful knowledge he's compiled over 20 books in his lifetime. So today we have with us John J. Murphy. He's the founder and CEO of Venture Management Consultants Incorporated. It's a firm specializing in creating lean, high-performance work environments, as a business consultant, John has worked with some of the world's leading organizations, including ADP, BMW, Chase, the Michigan State Senate, the CIA, and the U.S. Navy. He's the author of 20 books and has trained thousands of people from more than 50 countries. He lives in Palm Beach, Florida.

Welcome to the show, John. How are you doing, buddy? I to the show, John. How are you doing, buddy? I'm doing great, Chris. Thank you. Thank you for having me on your show. Awesome sauce. Kind of looks like you'll have a nice little Florida tan there going, too. Well, it's been stormy here lately in Palm Beach. It's technically hurricane season. Oh, that's right. Hurricane season. Pretty stormy.

So, John, you've written 20 books. Give give people a www they can go check you out on the inner tubes on the interweb sure it's www.johnjmurphy.org johnjmurphy.org johnjmurphy.org and then of course i'm sure you can find his books on amazon and and uh booksellers near you uh so john you uh the book we're gonna be talking about today is called Miracle-Minded Manager. But before we get into that, let's talk about your origin story, how you grew up, what made you want to be an author, how you became an author, all that sort of good stuff. Yeah, well, I had a couple of teachers back in the day who said I'd never write anything good.

Wow. So I never really thought of myself as a writer growing up, that's for sure. And even through college, I got a finance degree at Notre Dame and went into corporate finance in Chicago. And I even had a boss there who said, because I'd have to write up like analysis reports. And he made some sarcastic comment one time to me, like, did you go to Notre Dame High School or Notre Dame University?

Oh, shoot. I guess I was a little too creative to write, you know, credit reports and analysis type stuff. So I left that job and I decided that I didn't really want to be in corporate finance anyways. I wanted to be in more human resource type work, you know, people stuff. So I went into, I took a big step backwards, actually. I could to be in more human resource type work, you know, people stuff. So I went into, I took a big step backwards, actually, to step back and pay a step back in life, so to speak. And, but I reinvented myself, which is actually the title of one of my other

books. And then found my way into human resource management, worked my way up to an executive position, and then left in 1988 to start my practice after doing what I now teach. So I was a pretty transformational kind of leader, if you want to call it that, in my prior job. And I got a lot of recognition for some of the things that I did around the country. So I just decided to go out and teach. And then people said, well, if you're going to be a consultant, you have to write something. You can't just, you know. So I actually bought, I got a book. I read a book on how to write a book.

You know, this was long before, you know, YouTube and Google and things like that that we, you know, so I actually read a book about how to write a book. And then I wrote my first book, which has now been published by five different publishers. It's called Pulling Together the Power of Teamwork. And it's been published in a lot of different formats. I even got a copy of it sent to me recently that's in Vietnamese. Wow. I'm like, wow, that's cool. Yeah, I've got a lot of friends that are book writers. And

it's amazing the syndication of international stuff and and sometimes the interpretation of the cover art that they use like i have some friends that'll be like well okay that's what you did with the cover art in some you know the philippines or some weird country um but that's awesome sauce so you've written 20 books and you've come out with this book uh miracle minded-Minded Manager. I'll go ahead and hold it up here for those of you watching on YouTube. That's why you should subscribe to our YouTube channel. You can see that there, and you can see John J. Murphy's wonderful face here

from Florida. But Miracle-Minded Manager, it's a good-sized book, and I've gotten a chance to peruse it, read some sections of it, and love some things about it. So we talked in the pre-show, you said that this book here, Miracle-Minded Manager, took 26 years to be a sequel. Is that correct? Yeah. So it's a story. It's a parable. I find that parables are a wonderful way to teach people because they can relate well to stories. About 30 years ago, I wrote my first book, Pulling Together the Power of Teamwork.

One of my brothers, he's a professor now at Notre Dame, he said to me, John, you should write an allegory. I was like, what's an allegory? I had no idea. It's a gory alley. Yeah, right. He said it's like a parable. It's a story. He said, because you tell a lot of interesting stories and pulling together, you should write the whole book as a story. So I decided then to create this character, Jack McDonald. At the time, he was a general manager of a big company called Tipco, which stands for typical company and uh he's trying to pull people together and and you know get people aligned and and uh really you know run a healthier business a leaner business

and he's struggling he's getting a lot of resistance so he gets the help of this consultant named jordan mckay to come in and you actually see in that book, it's called Agent of Change, Leading a Cultural Revolution. And you see in that book how a leader can pull a team together and really make some cultural change, a real difference in people's hearts and minds. So that spun off to several other allegories and some other different types of books that I wrote over the years. But it occurred to me just a couple of years ago to go back to Jack McDonald and tell a story about he's now been very successful financially. He's got a great life, so to speak, great lifestyle. But he's really struggling with some stress and anxiety. You know, even though he's now the president of a division of Tipco, a business unit of Tipco,

and, you know, he's got plenty of money, you know, he's married, he's got two kids, grown kids now, but he's struggling with his health, his body, his anxiety, you know. So he goes back to Jordan McKay and he says, hey, you helped me change my culture years ago. Can you help me change me? I need some life coaching, so to speak. The sequel, by the way, it took 26 years for me to write the miracle minded manager after agent of change but in the actual story it's only a three-year difference okay yeah it's kind of like terminator right like terminator one no i'm just kidding yeah so you you credited this book uh uh the course

for accelerating uh your growth and prosperity and quadrupling business revenues within two years. And so you blended the lessons in the course of miracles from your modern day training. I did. Yeah. Yeah. I'm actually taking a course in miracles now for the fourth time. I just, I just repeat it, you know, every few years to it's just, it's a daily mantra for 365 days. So it's there's a textbook and a teacher's manual as well. But the course is the workbook course is 365 lessons over the course of a year.

It's a profound it's a channeling of Jesus, actually. And so back in the 70s, a medical psychology professor at Columbia University, Dr. Helen Schuchman, started to hear this voice, so to speak, and, you know, freaked her out a little bit at first. And by the way, you know, she's agnostic, she's Jewish agnostic scientist, professor. So the last person in the world, so to speak, looking for spiritual guidance and, you know, religious guidance and things like that. Well, she starts to hear this voice. She shares this with her colleague, Dr. Bill Thetford. And he says, well, listen to it. Don't resist it. Listen to it and take notes, write it down, whatever it tells you, write it down and I'll help you decipher it. You

know, we'll figure this out. So she did. And one of the first things she heard then and wrote down was, this is a course in miracles. It's a required course. It's not voluntary. Only the time that you take it is voluntary. And then it goes on and it's just absolutely profound. So I had heard so many people reference it over the years that I read and looked up to people like Eckhart Tolle, Wayne Dyer, Deepak Chopra, and Marianne Williamson, for example. She's a, you know, she's made, written a lot of books relating to A Course in Miracles. And Dr. David Hawkins is probably the most profound influence on me, the late David Hawkins. But he talked about A Course in Miracles over and over and over again.

So I finally decided, you know what, I should probably investigate this. I came home from a road trip in Europe, and sitting on my desk in my pile of mail was an invitation to A Course in Miracles. So I was like, okay, I get it. Yeah, I'll I get it. Yeah, I'll take this course. So I did, and it just truly blew my mind, so to speak. It was kind of interesting.

In the book, you talk about ego and stuff. Oh, yeah. And Eckhart Tolle, a friend of mine turned me on to Eckhart Tolle when I was really struggling after having my dog, I think it was 15 years, die. It was a dog that I loved completely and it was like losing a child, basically. I'm single. I don't have kids. My dogs have always been my kids you know my my children and and so when you lose them you're just kind of like this sucks um and you don't have anything else to turn to because you don't have children so you're just like wow okay well that that 16

years of is gone um but uh i was really struggling with it and a few other demons and, uh, a friend of mine turned me on to Eckhart Tolle's book and talking about the ego and the ego mind and stuff. And you referenced that in your book, you've got a chapter in here, um, talking about, in fact, part one is the ego thought system. Uh, and you go into detail, but that saved my life. Uh, it literally saved my life. I was at the brink, uh, and it saved my life. It literally saved my life. I was at the brink and it saved my life.

But you talk about that in your book, in the first section of it. And so I really recommend people really understand the ego thought system and stuff, because it's amazing how our brains sometimes can be our own worst enemies. Sure. Well, over 95% of our daily lives is run by the subconscious mind, not the conscious mind. The conscious mind is the will. The conscious mind is creative. And because it is, it's usually not present. It's thinking about things you got to do tomorrow or next month or next year, or it's thinking about something that happened yesterday or last week the conscious mind just i've seen research that that says on average people aren't present for more than 11 seconds at a time this is why people struggle with things like meditation and being present hector tolle talks all about you know one of his books the power of now be here be now be awake be aware and don't let your mind wander

you know all over the place um in the buddhist tradition they call that like monkey brain monkey chatter you got all this very large i had a couple monkeys running around i think i think it was a barrel of monkeys in my head i still do actually but uh i i've had to keep going back to his Power of Now book and get back to basics sometimes. So you talk about this, the Course in Miracles, are people familiar with that? What are some other aspects in this book that we can take a look at doing? I know there's a root cause of all problems that I found that was pretty interesting, where you talk about managing behavior, results, and assumptions and stuff yeah yeah well the root cause to every problem on the planet is called ignorance it's it's true we don't know and we don't know what we don't know

so we walk around the planet with perception not knowledge knowledge. There's a huge difference. So A Course in Miracles teaches the difference between perception to knowledge. So from falsehood to truth, put it in David Hawkins' words. There's a chapter in the book called Shift Happens. And so the shift is the shift out of the ego thought system. Think of that as a box, outside the box, a paradigm, a belief system, a shift out of that box entirely into a completely different thought system. You cannot be in both thought systems at the same time. Almost everybody on the planet is in the ego thought system. That's called human nature. We think we're actually human and we have spiritual experiences from time to time when it's just the opposite.

We're actually all spiritual beings who have a temporary human existence. We lived before we were born and we'll live that long after we're born. Life is cyclical, not linear. Everything is cyclical, like day and night, the seasons, the planets. Everything is cyclical and round, so to speak. But we're not trained that way. We're trained to think linearly, beginning, middle, end, birth, life, death. That's the ego thought system.

The ego thought system is also the root cause to all grief, all guilt, all shame, all apathy, all despair, all desperation, all depression, all anger, all lust, all pride, all jealousy, all greed. All of those reactions are from the ego thought system. And then we have all these strategies, you know, go to the gym or learn to meditate or do yoga, you know, take a pill, have a beer. We have all these strategies to cope with stress, to manage stress. Why not delete it? So the shift is not trying to manage all this stuff and cope with it. It's to completely delete it like you delete viruses on a computer. Delete, delete, delete. When you delete all the baggage you have in your subconscious mind, everything weighing you down, you're free. Everything is then free. So the ego thought system is all of those feelings. And David Hawkins had some brilliant, he said something

called the map of consciousness. He could calibrate using applied kinesiology, the energetic frequencies of all those different emotions, so to speak, all those feelings. So anger has a certain frequency to it. Pride has a certain frequency to it. Guilt has a certain frequency to it. The lowest of all those frequencies is actually shame, followed then by guilt, then by apathy, then by grief. And you go up this scale, you finally get all the way up to anger and then pride. Those are all still inside the ego box. And the way out of the box is called courage. It takes courage to let go of all that baggage, all those beliefs that you have buried in your subconscious mind,

and then be free. And up above courage, you get into frequencies of joy and bliss and unconditional love and enlightenment, different levels of enlightenment, so to speak. So that's the map of consciousness. I say, why manage problems inside a box when it's the box that's the problem? There you go. We've got all these things that we're doing inside the ego box.

Just get out of it. Learn how to let it go. I like to say let go and let flow. When you let go of everything weighing you down and getting in your way, you witness miracles all the time. It's incredible. We're living miracles. You've got 50 plus trillion cells in your body that somehow know what to do and somehow know how to get along and heal. You know, you cut yourself, it naturally heals. Your body is intended to be healthy and strong, but we do all kinds of things to self-sabotage. So the book, Jack McDonald goes through all of this and he learned some

interesting release techniques like emotional freedom technique, which is meridian tapping. It's been featured on Dr. Oz, Nick Ortner, who's a New York Times bestselling author. Nick is the one who actually taught me EFT like 10 years ago. It's a release technique and it's a simple way to let go of programming that's in your subconscious mind. And the subconscious mind is running your life. It cannot be in the future or the past. It can only be present. And it can only replay history. It's not creative. It's just replay. It's your autopilot, so to speak. And if you want to put this in perspective, Chris, the conscious mind, the will, the creative mind, on average can process 40 bits of data per second, 40 bits of data per second. The subconscious mind, 40 million bits of data per second. It's no contest. So the secret to habit change isn't willing to make a change. I will stop eating this unhealthy stuff. I will

start exercising. I will go to whatever i will will will and the subconscious mind's going no you won't if you try that last we're gonna we're gonna do what you taught us to do all these years we're gonna keep you on the track yeah so the idea is to get into the subconscious programming and delete this these these limiting beliefs these things weighing you down fears and phobias and anxieties and stress and just delete, delete, delete. And that's what you learn in the book through Jack McDonald. That's awesome sauce, man. You just gave me a giant soundbite right there of just the most concentrated core of, of ego minded issues and mental things that people have. I implore everyone

to take and check this out, this out and to learn from it. And if you haven't gotten into the ego mind and some of these different things, it will change your life. If you open up your mind and let it realize that, you know, we all have this, this, this madman ego mind that just beats us all day long.

You know, it's just bangs us over the head with our past history and mistakes we've made and injuries we've made to other people. And, you know, it constantly, it constantly berates us of, of what you remember that one time you did that. And you're like, that was like 25 years ago. And it, it, it lives in this world where it, where it's trying to stay alive and, and, and, and keep all this stuff going because that's how it thinks it's gotta be around if i understand it correctly and the problem is you can't change the past and then people you know does the same with the future worrying about the future and really the only thing you can do is be present and that was the one of the biggest problems i was having

at one time with my with with my dogs. Uh, my one dogs, uh, had cancer for about a year and a half. Um, and my problem was I was having trouble just being present when she was, when she was around. I'm like, this is a, it became very obvious that this was a limited resource, uh more so with the cancer, and that every day was a brick of gold that we could get. And I'm like, somehow I have to maximize this, but somehow I'm still losing every day. I'm looking at other things, worried about other things. And even when she was beside me and I'd be petting her and giving her treats or whatever, I would still be worrying about like 50 million other things. And I would be like, this person, we don't know if it's going to be here tomorrow.

I mean, my person, my dog. So, and I was like, I'm not here. And I just became aware of the fact that I was in other places, you know. And I couldn't focus and everything else. And so, dealing with the ego mind and all this stuff that you described earlier really, uh, really made me realize that I needed to take a different course. And so, um, so you, you do this as an allegory. Uh, you tell the story of this gentleman, he goes through his processes. Uh, there's several different, you got a lot of great reviews on this book too, as well. I noticed Dennis Whateley, Dr. Ken Bet, Blanchard, Richard DeVos. And there's a whole bunch of them in the book, actually.

I know the names though of Dennis Whateley. I'm a big, I was a big fan of Dr. Dennis Whateley when I was growing up and read a lot of his books. And Dennis and I have been on stage together. It's yeah. He's a terrific of his books. We've been on stage together, and Dennis and I have been on stage together. Yeah, he's a terrific, terrific person. Yeah, I remember, this is how old I am, I'm probably going to date myself, but the Nightingale Conan,

I remember those tape series he used to be able to subscribe to, and Dennis Whaley would be in them. Psychology of Winning. He sold over 100 million copies of that. I was fortunate enough that over a hundred million copies of that. I was fortunate enough that my father back in the day had old records from, uh,

the selling Institute. I think it was. Uh, and then he had old records from Nightingale, rural Nightingale. And, uh, and so I got his records and I was like,

wow, man, this is pretty interesting stuff. And I still have him this day, so it's pretty cool. But what else on this book do we need to know about? What other things are important for us to go ahead and go order this on Amazon? Well, one thing that's important is that you can't be in both thought systems at the same time. You're either in the fear-based, dualistic ego

thought system, which is right, wrong, good, bad, us, them, win, lose. Everything's duality. So the ego thinks in terms of division and separation, Democrat, Republican, all that kind of stuff. And it puts up boundaries. And the ego is also fear-based. So it it's always it's fueling people with anxiety and stress and things like that and you in the the spirit the faith-based system you can't have fear and faith at the same time if you if you're afraid it's because you have no true faith if you have true faith you're not afraid of anything they're completely different thought systems The ego sees love from a very different perspective than the faith, the spirit system. The ego sees love as temporary. I fell in love with somebody. I love my car. I love my house.

But it's all about temporary and relationships that are temporary. Spirit doesn't see love that way at all. I call it capital L love versus small l love. And the book capital L love is unconditional. It's like your dog. Your dog loves you absolutely no matter what you do. It's just pure forgiving love. And see, the ego thinks of forgiveness in a different way. The ego says, I was right and you were wrong, but I forgive you.

That's condemnation. That's not forgiveness. I forgive you. That's condemnation. But I forgive you. That's condemnation. Yeah. It's attack and defend. The ego is all about attack and offend and who's right and who's wrong and jealousy. It's all of those human experiences and emotions. When you make the shift, the shift that happens, and you step out of that entire thought system.

It's like a reprogramming of you, and that's what A Course in Miracles does. It's a reprogramming of the mind, and you step out of the ego box. That person that used to annoy you doesn't annoy you anymore. Now you have compassion for that person, and you feel that they're just calling for love. That situation that used to frustrate you, it doesn't frustrate you anymore. You actually live in peace rather than waiting to die in peace. Rest in peace is what we say when people die. Why not live in peace?

And then the ego says, well, how can I be at peace with all this violence going on around the world? Until all the violence and all the wars stop and everything else have been then i'll be at peace oh you won't because it's always greener is another ego statement you know i'll be happy someday when i have more money or when i have a nicer home or when i have this the ego's always saying someday i'll i'll be happy when i'd be happy right? So great gratitude is a huge shortcut out of the ego box. The ego doesn't understand gratitude. It's never satisfied. Seeking you will not find. The ego is always searching for something bigger, something more. Oh, you've got a master's degree. When are you going to get a PhD? Oh, you got yourself a BMWw when are you going to get a ferrari the ego just doesn't shut

up and so when you let go of that programming you appreciate what you have what you are you're the relationships you have you live in gratitude and it's a it's a wonderful place to be that's awesome i mean that's a that's an incredible, um, lesson that most people should take and learn. Uh, it was amazing to me when I, when I got into the ego, uh, theories and ego, um, uh, books and stuff, uh, just learning about what was going on and then starting to listen to that voice and starting to discern between my voice and the ego's voice and realizing those are two different things. And that guy is a jerk. I don't like him very much. And, uh, the other eight voices that, you know, scream, kill, kill,

kill all the time. I'm just kidding. Um, but, uh, uh, yeah, learning to listen to his voice and, and I keep having to go back and I really should put a tag up on my computer or something every day that says, hey, man, you know, stay present. Listen to the thing because you find yourself just getting browbeaten again and off topic. And you get to the end of your day and go, I didn't get anything done today that I wanted to get done. Things that were important to me. Sometimes I think that we're tuning out that ego mind that's berating us, that's beating us, that's punishing us. I think video games are different things that we do. Like you mentioned before, people turn to alcohol, food, different aversions uh end up being self-destructive and i i think sometimes i know for a lot of years i i abused alcohol um i wasn't alcoholic but i definitely uh abused it

um just to get that mind to leave me alone to get it to shut up and and uh fortunately it would usually put me in creative states so i could write piano music or I could play guitar or I could just do anything. But just not having to listen to that freaking voice up my butt all the time was what I was trying to do. And unfortunately, I spent way too many years doing that. But I was trying to just get away from that voice that was just haunting me and bugging me.

And even to this day, I still find myself, you know, going and doing stuff like video games where I go to tune out and I don't realize that what I'm trying to tune out is that idiot in my head who's just bugging the crap out of me. I'm trying to get him to leave me alone. And it's amazing how much of our world is in turmoil, like you mentioned earlier, and wars and different things, people struggling to, you know, I mean, I grew up poor and then I got rich and I always thought that that would solve all my problems. I'm like, this will solve, if I get rich, this will solve everything. I'll be a complete, you know, and we, and a lot of people have this sort of thing that rich people,

Hollywood stars, people that are ultra successful, like they're just, they've perfected their human being to a point where at all levels they are maximized and, and, and self actualized when in reality they're not. If anything, they just have that one tube filled and the rest of them are empty or, you know, semi full. And so you realize, you realize that, you know, I've met people or, you know, semi-full. And so you realize, you realize that, you know, I've met people that, you know, they don't, they don't feel they're worthy until they make $3 million a year, $10 million a year, and then they're still unhappy. And, you know, I had the same sort of thing. Everyone hated me in my life even more when I was rich, you know, I can never

get a girlfriend happy. I can can never all my business partners hated me i'm like i made all this money for you and you hate me and and it just it just became more and more and and i was like is this like this is as good as it's supposed to be and really the problem the whole time was me and what was going on in my head. And, and I could never be happy the way I was built back then. I can never be happy. It's taken me a lot of years to figure out how to be happy. And so I, it's really important people read these books and learn and experience them because once you can disseminate that voice in your head, the madman, I call him from my creative voice, my present voice, it really makes a difference. And being able to be present is just so wonderful where I

can sit and I can go play with my dogs. That's the one thing I don't do enough in life is go play with my dogs. Just go out in the yard because I always go, okay, well, you know, we got to do this deadline and we're trying to get this done and this out, and I've got this appointment. You know, my dog is like, come play with me. And, you know, going out and playing with them and just enjoying the beauty of nature. And I'll be like, hey, wow, the sun's out here. This is a really beautiful place.

I should come out here more often. Yeah, well, you just said the magic word, which is nature. Nature is so healthy and healing to get out. Like when I'm here in Palm Beach, I live here half the year. When I'm here, I go out at night, especially this time of year, May and June are turtle months. So the giant sea turtles come up right up on the beach and lay their eggs. And it's just so magical, so to speak, speak to sit out there you have to be very quiet no lights no phones no video games nothing like that just sit out there and watch these awesome creatures come up and it's amazing just to think about i'm told i'm not an expert in turtles but i'm told that

they come back to the same place that they were born to lay their eggs. You know, they swim around for thousands and thousands of miles in their lifetime. But when they come back to lay eggs, they come back to where they were born, which is pretty awesome, actually, you know. It's amazing they have the bearing, you know, that ability to come back to home. I have huskies. They have no homing ability. When they escape, they just run for miles and then they're stuck. But, yeah, it's pretty amazing.

One of the things I used to love in California was being able to go out on the beach and sit there and watch the sunset. And you sit there and you listen to the lapping of the waves. You watch the sand coming in and off the beach. And you watch the sunset and you realize all that stuff has been here for eons and and i used to go down there when i used to uh be you know knee deep in my problems and and just to kind of get away and i go down there and i realized that my problems were just a hill of beans compared to the eons of time and the waves that lapped upon that shore just didn't amount to anything. And it would give me some perspective where I just go, you know what? Some of this stuff is just, that's weighing on me, all my problems and stuff. This doesn't mean anything really in the, in the long run of even

my life. And so it would give me perspective. And I think things like that are really important in nature to give us that perspective of, of that the world is bigger than, you know, what's the side of our stoop little heads sometimes. Yeah. No question. No question. So it's a great book. You've written 20, 19 other books and what else can you tell us more about Miracle Minded Manager? Well, I told you before the show that I woke up this morning to a nice note from one of my publicists. And she said, John, Miracle Minded Manager won silver in the COVR awards, which is a pretty big deal.

COVR stands for the Coalition of Visionary Resources. And so this book was nominated a couple of months ago, and people vote. So I didn't get the gold for some reason. I don't know why, but... That's next year. Good job, John. This is awesome.

The silver is good. Second is good. is good you know being third yeah this is my second award-winning book i wrote a book years ago called beyond doubt four steps to inner peace that won uh best inspirational book of 2010 by a big review um all books review out of toronto canada So that was a wonderful thing to wake up to as well. And this is pretty awesome. It's based on 35 years of your real life experience as a business consultant. It's a fictional story that offers insightful lessons on how to apply the spiritual lessons of the course of miracles and the law of attraction to

everyday challenges. Relatable, compelling, entertaining, miracle minded manager illustrates the very essence of miracles, a transformational shift in thinking. You can check this out on Amazon where books are sold. You know, this is pretty cool. People are going to need a lot more of this and what we're going through right now with COVID-19 we're in, we're entering a very depressionary stage of finance of finance, of human toll, whether it's death,

sickness, et cetera, et cetera. People that are out of work, people that are struggling with family loss, et cetera, et cetera. Financial loss, job loss. It's going to be a pretty tough couple of years. So I'd highly recommend people grab these books.