The Chris Voss Show - The Chris Voss Show Podcast – Nexus Companies and a Reimagined US Economy: Revitalizing the US Economy in 5D by Shaun Sterling

Episode Date: September 9, 2026

Nexus Companies and a Reimagined US Economy: Revitalizing the US Economy in 5D by Shaun Sterling https://www.amazon.com/dp/1977289290 What if the next phase of economic growth is not driven by a single innovation, but by how everything connects? This book introduces the concept of the Nexus company ecosystem, a new framework for understanding and shaping the future of business, labor, and economic policy. At its core is the idea that productivity, opportunity, and long-term growth depend not only on individual industries or technologies, but on how effectively they are coordinated. Rather than focusing on economic decline or inequality alone, this work offers a constructive and forward-looking alternative. It outlines how businesses, governments, and workers can align through emerging models that integrate advanced technologies such as artificial intelligence with evolving workforce systems, education pathways, and infrastructure development. Nexus companies act as the central connectors in this system, linking talent, capital, and opportunity in ways that increase efficiency and unlock new forms of value creation. The book also introduces innovative financial structures such as Special Infrastructure Investment Vehicles, designed to attract private capital into critical infrastructure while improving execution and long-term returns. These mechanisms, combined with policy frameworks and workforce development strategies, provide a practical roadmap for revitalizing economic growth. Drawing on real-world experience across multiple industries, the author presents a systems-level perspective on how economic evolution can be guided rather than passively experienced. The result is a pragmatic yet hopeful vision of the future, one in which technological advancement enhances human potential instead of displacing it. For business leaders, policymakers, economists, and anyone concerned about the direction of the modern economy, this book offers both insight and direction. It is a call to actively shape the next era of economic development, ensuring that growth is not only sustained but broadly shared. About the author Shaun has had a lifelong passion for economics and an eclectic knowledge base and focus on trends. Particularly what is next for business evolution and how to build a more robust economy for everyone. Hailing from Virginia’s Eastern Shore and spending quite a few formative years in the corridors around DC.

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his book called Nexus Companies and a reimagined U.S. economy, revitalizing the U.S. economy in 5D by Sean Sterling. We're going to get into it with him and find out what all these details are that he's written about in this book. Sean has worked in real estate, agriculture, and business developing consulting. He specializes in innovative economic solutions and concepts, hailing from the eastern shore of Virginia with branches in Northern Virginia and Maryland. Welcome to the show, Sean. How are you, sir? It's great to be here, Chris. I'm a connoisseur of all things, business and the economy. So your show was number one on my radar to be able to be. able to discuss this. And I would even call it the nexus of business discussion. So it's apropos that I come on here to talk about my book. That was actually our first suggestion for the name of the podcast. But then they're like, name after the idiot who's the host. That way no one will ever buy

it because without him, it doesn't go, right? You imagine somebody else doing the Christmas show. So welcome the show. We're excited to have you. Give us dot com's websites. Where do you want people to get to know you better, sir? Yeah. So there's a link that I posted for my, I think it's on the hashtag or I send it in. It's basically to my website. I can provide a link. So it's a pretty easy website and I'll pull it up on my phone so I can show it. Sure. We'll also have a link for it on the Chris Voss show. Yeah, we'll take care of that for you and get all in there. Do you want to, do you think you'll have it ready here in a second or do we want to keep rolling and we'll get that maybe at the end of the show? Yeah, let's do it at the end. I'll pull it up on my

phone. So it's, see, I can pull up at the end. It might be like. Yeah. So give us a 30,000 over you. What's in this book? So the book is basically about Nexus companies and what I call Nexus companies. It's like an whole ecosystem of businesses. Most of them are already in existence, at least in an embryonic form, but how they evolve and what they evolve into will be more complete companies that provide a much wider array of services. We're talking about right now companies that are labor matching specialists, companies that do administrative and organizational management services, companies that do product chain management, companies that do product and service acquisition. Over time, some of those companies, some of them already multitasked quite a bit.

I've even worked with a couple that I would say moonlighted in different realms. A lot of the organizational management companies also provide accounting and a bunch of different arrays of services. But over time, you're going to see more of those companies come together and network with each other. And some of them combine and actually help companies with a broader array of things, including, for example, a labor management or a company that matches labor workers to companies. You're going to see them start to integrate more training platforms, connections with educational organizations, as well as in-house specialists that know how to defray the costs of training those people. as well as relocation experts.

There's already some of that with relocation and things like that. But imagine as a business going to find an employee or a contractor, there's no one local. All of a sudden, you reach out this nexus company. Suddenly, they're helping you manage your organization, but they also are helping you find employees. They not only help you find an employee that is in another area that's willing to relocate, that person has skill gaps.

They have resources to help meet those to train them in ways that they no longer have those gaps, that they're more specialized for your job. And then they have other resources to help them relocate. And they can help defray the costs by looking at some of the grants from state, local, federal governments, as well as private organizations, to defray those. And it helps the workers and contractors, too, because all of a sudden they have a huge in to be put to their highest and best use in the economy. So clarify us.

What's the difference between a nexus company and maybe a normal company? Yeah. They are normal companies in the sense that they already exist. There's not necessarily. However, they're basically going to, they're the companies that are the most critical in connecting the economic lynch pens. They're at the crossroads where labor businesses, even government, but especially labor, businesses, product acquisition, capital, all those things interplay together. So they're the

connection point. So they will be a lot of different types of companies, but over time, you're going to see bigger versions that do a number of services and then network with other companies in that sphere to outsource things they can't do in-house. So not all-purpose companies, but companies that do a range of services for businesses that they'll help run a business, help do their accounting, but also help with labor and other factors, possibly capital, although that's a little trickier on that end. Would you call this outsourcing or is it different than outsourcing? There is a huge element to that.

So you're very on point to bring that up because the origin of what I would call some of the nexus companies, especially the temporary labor companies, the companies that do organizational management, some of them will provide temporary managers, employees, and other people like that. Some of them provide other services that are outsourced accounting. Absolutely. So, yes, a lot of them got their start, I would say with outsourcing. That was what I would say kicked off a lot of the nexus companies. However, over time, they can do a broader array of services.

that also integrate those many outsource features. Because in the past, many of those things that companies outsource were one-off, like separate pieces, so to speak. They would outsource accounting to one company. They would outsource temporary labor. They would get temporary laborers from another company or permanent. In some cases, they'll even have HR management, human resources management, where a company will manage their payroll.

So they're not directly paying their workers. They've got another company. So outsourcing is a big. element of that. Wow. And is this a thing that more companies maybe should embrace this kind of thing? Or is this more for, say I'm an entrepreneur or something or I guess a medium to small business. Is this something that those types of companies would use? Absolutely. So I think one of the things I talk about in the book, I think the market penetration of these services, I say the ecosystem is maybe 25% developed at best.

meaning the company itself. But I think the penetration of their services is probably 10% or less, meaning I talk to people in the space all the time, a lot of small to mid-sized business people. And a lot of them constantly struggle. Even some of them that use HR management and get temporary staffing from companies, they talk about consistently. They have to deal with a multitude of companies to get their needs met.

And some of them have recently encountered more. companies doing a broader array of services and it's been very helpful to them. So if entrepreneurs are watching this, it's one of the opportunities for them to make money. Besides investing in a company like that is to also, if they're in that space, is to have the advanced knowledge of how to integrate more of those services. And then all of a sudden, they're much more compelling to their customer base. They've won up the competition greatly in that sphere. Yeah. If you're a small business person or entrepreneur like I am, there's things that you don't, some people don't like to do like accounting. And so you just rather farm all that crap out to somebody else than do it.

One of the companies we owned back of the day before 2008 crisis took it away was a mortgage company. And one thing about my mortgage company was we had all these vendors because you couldn't do everything because that was, you could put your thumb on the scale. You couldn't do you couldn't do a home evaluation. I forget what's called, why they go out and they assess the home value. You couldn't do that because if you're the mortgage company, you're like,

we should get some more value out of this, right? So it all had to be separate vendors, the credit reporting and the credit verification, the appraisers, the title companies, and I'm trying to think of there was, it seemed like there was other vendors that we had to have for backup stuff,

sometimes like repair. If the appraiser found some sort of inspection problem, you'd have to do with that. But you were only as good as your weakest link. And there were times where we had all these different, I used to just liken us to a shark and everybody was a feeder fish attached to us. And you were only as good as your weakest link. So if you had, if all three companies that were working were doing a good job for you,

you were doing great. But if one person mucked it up, it created, fucked up the whole chain of command or a line of chain or whatever. Is that an example of an excess company? Or I just want to make sure we have a clear. It is potentially, especially if it takes on a few more tasks or roles. And like I said, a lot of it is. A lot of the nexus companies right now are singular or doing only two or three services. I talk about something in the book called an Apex Nexus company,

which is probably going to be more of an organizational or administrative management company and that does accounting and things like that and strategic vision consulting. but I talk about eventually they'll probably take on some of the other services, like especially employment matching and things like that, and also consult with other companies to do that. So I think that that will be the kingpin or the headpoint of the nexus company ecosystem, the companies that manage organizations or do outsourced accounting and strategic vision consulting, because a company can go to them and say, hey, this is what we need,

and they can put a team of people together and say, okay, this company needs these six things. And we can put together these six things from our in-house services. And the ones we don't have in-house, we can consult with these other partners that we network with to give them that. So basically think of it as a central processing unit on a motherboard, the Apex Nexus company that then consults with all the other pieces to get the final product, to get to process the information,

to route the business services to their final class. And also I did. So the website is, I wanted to make sure I had the domain correct, but it's nexus reimagined. That's the, that's my website. N-E-X-U-S-R-E-I-M-A-G-I-N-E dot net. And I'm getting ready to launch some of my business consulting services there, but my book is currently there. It's primarily right now promoting Nexus companies and reimagined U.S. economy.

Good stuff. Now, the other part of the title of the book is the 5D part, revitalizing the U.S. economy and 5D. Give us an understanding of what that means. So I used 5D because it's so I feel like economics in the past. And this is not reinventing economics at all. There's some very brilliant people in that space. And they could probably take some of these ideas to the next step. But basically in the past, it's been very,

focused and rightfully on supply and demand curves and the nuts and bolts of the economy. But where a lot of the action happens is actually where the pieces of the economy interconnect. If I could give one concept that I'm trying to bring in this book, it's that it's a different way of looking at the economy and the sense of the connection points are just as important, if not more important, than the components. Because without those connections, the components can't do their job. And the components are much more efficient, just like processors and memory and a computer, if the motherboard is properly conducting the information and conducting it faster. So, nexus companies will speed up how information and labor, people, capital, all those things

move throughout the economy. And in particular, the 5D term, like I unveil a lot of ways that public policymakers can tweak and accelerate the development of these nexus companies, but also deal with issues like education and infrastructure and problems like that. And it wasn't intended to be an infrastructure book, but the chapter on infrastructure, I think, is one of the most profound because it looks at how to finance infrastructure without necessarily borrowing the money for state and municipal governments, which often are constitutionally. are charter limited on their borrowing. So they can manage their revenue and make this one more obligation in the revenue using reverse leases and other concepts and bring private sector capital

and know-how into that infrastructure sphere. So it's a look at how to use rather than just simple tax policy or things like that. It's a look at how to use more advanced tools to reimagine the economy and retool the economy. So 5D. So just looking at higher dimension of public policy to affect the economy. Now, can this survive some of the challenges that go on with the economy, the ups and downs and different things that are going on in today's world? Definitely. In fact, I think this is an answer to a lot of those challenges. I'm not calling it a silver bullet, but one of the questions that get asked a lot is about fiscal challenges. The U.S. government and most advanced economies around the world are dealing with pretty high

public sector debt loads, exceeding a percent of GDP in a lot. of cases, including the U.S. So nothing is better at addressing a fiscal challenge than a bigger piece of pie to tax and to get money out of. You have to make a lot less problematic choices if you have a bigger economy. So Nexus companies in the development of those will be instrumental in helping the economy grow faster, hence be larger and more productive. And that is a huge answer to some of the fiscal challenges. Yes, you still need some spending restraint and things like that. But to be completely honest, we know that the government's never going to be extremely austere in their money management. So if you don't, yeah, if you don't grow the economy faster,

you're screwed. Sorry. Yeah. This is the way it is, man. Governments and money and yada, yada, yeah. And also with the fiscal side, too, it's a huge firm fiscally to, state and municipal governments all of a sudden being able to do more infrastructure projects without having to borrow the money necessarily. That's a huge boon. And it's also disinflationary because you were talking about removing some bottlenecks and the nexus companies are also removing bottlenecks. Yeah. Anything you do to remove bottlenecks because stuff that slows you down or makes you can make you less competitive. We live in this hyper market where everything's moving at 5 billion miles an hour

and that doesn't count AI. Exactly. AI is moving at 10, the speed of light at this point. I'm just holding on. I'm just holding on. I don't even know what I'm holding on to anymore. It seems like AI.

People in that space say that every two or three months now AI has regenerated. It's a whole new generation of it. It's just, it's massive speed there. What's that thing called, what's the, is it Moore's law?

That's the thing, The conductors, how the rate at which they double in processing. I think it's generally, I actually mentioned that in the book, believe it or not. 18 months, I think, is kind of a standard what people traditionally have seen every 18 months. Micro processors are twice as fast on average. Yeah. And a lot of times the cost comes down. I think there's advances they're working on with AI to try and lower tokens and stuff like that.

and somehow game the system. But that's been on my pay grade. Given the emergence of inflation, the reemergence of inflation, we definitely are inflationary times. Gas is almost six bucks for diesel and it's almost five bucks for normal gas. Is this something these economic trends will impact and you give some insights and solutions in the book? Definitely. That was actually one of the most important pieces as to why.

I wouldn't say it's why I wrote the book, but it was one of the more important conclusions. of it. Some of the infrastructure stuff I talk about definitely can be disinflationary, but accelerating the development of the nexus company ecosystem is very disinflationary because you're talking about not only making businesses more productive, you're talking about companies being able to better manage supply chains, being able to better acquire products and services because they're dealing with nexus companies and opening up a broader network, but also improving the labor force participation rate with some of this labor matching

and improving the productivity of individual workers through greater training and these things we talk about in the book, that you're improving the productivity per worker, you're putting more workers into the workforce. Both of those things are increasing production, which is generally disinflationary. But then on top of it, if the economy is running more efficiently and you're pushing inflation down that way,

you combine it with some of the infrastructure and education tools we talk about there and also artificial intelligence and using artificial intelligence to enhance the production of companies and these nexus companies, all those things are improving productivity, which is disinflationary, and it gives the Federal Reserve more, they have more leeway to be a little more aggressive on monetary policy if inflation is lower, which also helps the fiscal situation. If you grow the economy faster, it's kind of a synergistic dynamic overall. Anything we can do to innovate. And I imagine AI seems to be taking away some jobs now. I think we're finding there might be a little bit of a bubble there of how bad it was going to be initially.

I guess a lot of companies are finding out that laying off everybody for AI and the tokens that they need now have to be rationed because they thought it would be really easy to, we'll just get one person to do five jobs. have four other employee agents, and now they're finding that they've got to ration the coins because it costs too much. So now they're rethinking. They're like, I shouldn't lay it off all those people. But maybe this can give some of those people who've been laid off through AI some prospects to create service businesses maybe. I don't know. I think so. And also, I think a lot of people that are considering what to do with AI and their business, this can give them a good insight. I think I say something to the effect of putting human capital

back at the center of the economy. And what I mean by that is rather than replacing a job with AI or making AI the primary decision maker and some piece of a company or a primary operator that a human would normally do, AI is at its best, at least for the foreseeable future, at least for the benefit of the actual people in the economy, when it's enhancing the human decision makers and workers in a company, when it can help consolidate their workload, for example, when I talked about labor matching and all that type of thing. So say someone's like looking for, and a nexus company is looking for an employee for, they can use AI to help them not only look at the dark pools of labor, the online boards and internet postings, all that stuff, their own internal listings. But they can also look at all the individual factors and use AI to.

cut through so many of the details and then get to the heart of the decision and the human can then actually, instead of spending 100 hours reviewing all that data, they get the important data at their fingertips with the help of AI, then they make the ultimate decision and are able to make the best connection. And that's just one example, but I think AI is at its best when it will replace some jobs. However, I think a lot of AI will be better used to enhance the humans that are doing the jobs and to make them more productive because I think a lot of people, honestly, are not as productive as they could be because they're bogged down with a lot of factors that AI can help consolidate. And I think that's one of the untold stories of why AI hasn't

impacted productivity. It has impacted productivity. I'm not going to say it hasn't, but it could do so much more to boost US and world economic productivity than it has so far. Yeah, and plus now it's so easy to do international business. When I used to, before the Internet and everything, when we owned brick and mortar companies, long-distance phone calls, you paid a fortune for long-distance and communicating. It was really hard. I never, ever growing up with our original companies, I never saw, I never thought that I would sell anything internationally because there was just such a huge wall cost-wise and phone call on communications.

but the internet really democratized all that. And now you can do some of the nexus work that you're talking about for people around the world. And the markets wide open. God, I would have loved to have this sort of setup that we have now in the 90s, man. That would have made things so much easier. I'm like to actually mention the internet because that's a perfect example. And I'm going to equate it a little bit to the AI situation. The internet was an amazing.

You just elaborated one reason why the internet was such an amazing. amazing creation. But in order for that to happen, it still needed the entrepreneurs and business people to create those businesses. It still needed the websites to actually make that happen. So the nexus companies can be a big part of taking that next step to integrate and help these companies be able to connect to things they're not currently connected to, whether it's labor, additional clientele, additional product and service sourcing. So just like the internet needed the actual businesses, websites, and things like that to actually be productive, everything from AI to other parts of the economy, they still need those pesky humans

to create the businesses and to create the platforms to utilize these technologies. Because without those platforms, I made some comment about productivity and wealth without some type of principle and mission is kind of decadence. But with AI, it's worse than that. if you just create bots and artificial intelligence creating things. And it's potentially subjugating the humans if you don't have humans at the center of the actual businesses that are utilizing AI. So I think your point about the internet and how for your businesses it was so instrumental

is I would equate that to the nexus companies. It can be, they can be the missing link for connecting some of these new technologies, including also utilizing the internet. the internet's going to be huge with nexus companies because they're going to be needing the internet absolutely to connect all these different junction points yeah i know some companies like a lot of app makers early on they were using companies and people all over the world instead of local in silicon valley they were hiring people virtually and basically running teams i don't know if that's an example of a nexus company but yeah it was interesting and then of course they're not really

employees they're just it have people in prague and russia Japan and kind of craziness. It's so great what you can do with the internet now. I wish they'd make it so it's easier to move money around and pay employees. That's a pain in the ass. If you're paying employees internationally. But there's ways of doing it. It's just sometimes you've got to wait for stuff.

And there's some company that runs this three-day business transfer bullshit, and they make money off of every transition transaction ever. And they're one of the reasons it takes three days to move money from one bank account to another. It's crazy. Which seems a little arbitrary. I'm sure there's some great reason with some magic reason. Someone's making money. Yeah.

That's the great reason. That's basically it. Yeah, evidently there's a company that's like a middleman that somebody gave power to ages ago. And I don't know what their thing is, but they get a piece of every action. And they're the ones who are responsible for the three-day BS. crap. But like PayPal's found a way around it. My stripe pays can pay me directly now. I don't know. Somehow they're figuring away around it. The so you know, it's one of those things. But yeah, this anything that can be the future of business or helping businesses achieve more.

Because there's some people that, you know, and especially entrepreneurs, they're good at one thing. Or maybe a couple things. There's so many things you've got to do. You're accounting. You've got inventory management. You've got shipping. You've got all these departments. HR hiring. There's a lot of people that will outsource that thing because it's brain damage on paychecks and stuff. I remember when we were coming up, we worked for a company, I guess it was a Nexus company, and they did the payroll. And so they wrote the checks and to track the hours and did the taxes and all that stuff for the payroll. It's kind of interesting. Yeah. That HR management and accounting management type aspect, I think that's, those are two of the

very cores, I would say, of what Nexus, what will form the Nexus company. company ecosystem. I just see a lot more of those service suites coming together around that, coalescing around those types of companies. And I think it's surprising. It is outsourcing in large part, but there's a lot of mid and small sized companies that I think the reason they haven't utilized that more is some of them actually told me they've had trouble finding companies that kind of can do a combination of the things they need. So the idea would be like a Texas company that doesn't do everything, but they have associates that do. They have affiliate companies that do those other services that they can bring in. So the teamwork aspect, integrating Nexus companies with other

Nexus companies, even if they don't share ownership, but being at work with each other is a big part of this missing piece of the story right now. I think that's the part that needs to grow the most out of the whole thing. Everything you just named a few seconds ago, you premature, articulated a lot of the things that Nexus companies can do. One of the things I learned, I think I got this from the CEO of Discover Card. I think you said it once on stage and it locked into my brain. This is 30 years ago, 25 years ago. But he said, always keep two vendors in any given field.

That way they compete against each other. Because if they know there's no competition, they'll slack off. But they don't have to compete for your business. Always keep two or at least two. And so with our mortgage company, we would keep multiple, quote unquote, nexus company. So we'd have two credit reporting agencies, two appraisers, two title companies. And they know that they were competing for top dog. And of course, the great thing about these types of companies is if you need to cut them

because they're not holding up the par, it's easy to get rid of them because you just go, yeah, you suck. We don't want to use you anymore. So we're going to go with somebody else. and that's a whole lot different than having to, you know, change out a whole department in your, that whole department to start over. It doesn't work. That's very expensive.

So I can see how that helps. Now, I think in your book, you talk about the impacts this could have to education. Tell us a little bit about how that might play in. One of the examples I gave earlier was how labor matching specialists could integrate training and education into when they're finding employees for companies. they can help with the training aspect. But another thing, I also highlight some public policy tools or policy tools that could be helpful in one chapter of the book with education, things like multi-party pairing systems and work demand incentives, which basically just fancy names or acronyms for things like, for example,

creating a structure where someone's in college, for example, or they're in a training program, like a vocational training program. And they need funds to complete it. They don't have enough money to complete it for whatever reason. A company, it may be a specific company or maybe a future opportunity, but generally a company may be interested in paying part of that or paying all of that for a promise of then being a future employee. But one of the downfalls of that is if something changes in the interim,

then that company or that employee might be out a lot of money or time. So one of the things is the reason I say multi-party, pairing is adding a couple more elements to that. So for example, an insurance element or a financing element where if one party drops out, there's a penalty, but there's like a safeguard where say the employee changes their mind goes to work somewhere else. The contract would have built into it that the company would get compensated for that. So there would be either a loan or insurance policy built into that pairing structure where the company would get comped or compensated for that loss so they're not out that money. And the opposite version of that, if the company drops out on the

employee, then the employee gets compensation as well, especially if it's a very specialized training. So I give a lot of different examples of that. This is one example, but there's a lot of different ways to help training and education with public policy tools. But the nexus companies are a big part of that because they would be at the center of where a lot of that takes place. And of course, colleges and training companies at all, which nextest companies would be pretty integrated with working with them, though, because they would be utilizing those types of institutions for training and education. Oh, wonderful. Wonderful. So going back to the start here, we'll skip back, what was the aha moment that you had that made you want to write this book? What was the decision that

It was like, I'm going to put this to paper and what was behind it? I always saw for years and years, even going back past 10 years, a lot of these connection points. But the best way I can describe it was I wrote it because of people. And what I mean by that is I saw a lot of successful people. It was great to look at their story. But I also knew a lot of people that were not successful or struggling, but they were right on the cusp of being successful. And a lot of times it was only one or two missing connections or missing opportunities that was holding them back. In some cases, they were hard workers and still hadn't quite gotten the connection they needed.

So a lot of the reason for writing the book was saying, look, there's these pieces of the economy. If we get this right, we can make the 21st century even more powerful and dynamic economically than the 20th century. And it was just looking at what could be and what should be with the economy and so many workers, especially AI, reinvigorated my desire to get this written sooner because watching the fear and hand-wringing over AI, which some of it's well-deserved. But it reinvigorated this whole conversation. And I wanted to get the book out there to address a lot of these points because there's some really great policy tools that could be expanded on. And it's not meant to be completely all-encompassing, but there's policy tools that can be built on to solve a lot of these challenges.

So it's basically a hope for the future and a desire to fix some of these structural issues that have emerged in the economy. This really helps. So is what do you hope people come away with when they buy the book and read it? Definitely that they should be hopeful and that they can be part of the process of these companies developing, whether they're workers coming into that space or whether they're entrepreneurs or business people. But also that the future doesn't have to be bleak and grim. And I don't think economically it should be. If we approach this the correct way, we have every opportunity to have a very productive economy.

We have almost unprecedented resources and technologies. But yet so much of the workforce seems to be really struggling with standards of living and things like that. But if we can bridge some of those gaps and really help people that are on the, and that mid-tier and lower tier of the workforce to really tap into fire, when I say fire, the productivity where they're going to make more money, they're going to be more productive. They can, and that gets into everything.

If you're more economically stable and viable, everything from like mood to family planning to everything becomes a lot more, simplified than when you're struggling economically, when you're struggling economically, everything's a challenge. Yeah. Yeah, it's something to change the world. And we kind of need that help because there's a lot of people out of work right now. There's a lot of, there's a lot of challenges inflation and people need more money and costs

are going up. Second, third jobs, whatever it takes. But you may find that ends up being your first job doing stuff. And there's lots of companies that need help. Our first successful company was a career service. and we were much like UPS and FedEx, only we really innovated it in some crazy ways, and made it so that we were irreplaceable.

People couldn't even compete with us. That's always the best type of business to have. Yeah, the recurring revenue too, where your customers are using you every day or every week or so, because you always, you know, you've got business. You don't just do one thing. The mortgage business I used to hate because you do, you work with one client,

and they're gone for two or three years, assuming they even come back or remember you. And but these reoccurring business ones were really awesome. So as we go out, give people a final pitch out on where to pick up your book and all that good stuff. You can get my book on Amazon or Barnes & Noble's website or local bookstores can generally order it too. I love to plug local bookstores.

They're really important. But you can go to the Amazon's website, just type in my name and the title of the book, and it will come up. It's been, it was featured at the LA Times book. festival earlier in the year. And we're in some serious talks about potentially being also at the Frankfurt Book Fair. But ultimately, we, Amazon or Barnes & Noble is probably the easiest place to grab it. And then my website also has a link to Amazon and possibly a few other places to get the book. And like I say, I am going to launch business consulting services, some of the

other work I've been doing on the website. But I'm not, right now I'm mainly promoting the book on there about be integrating that over time because the book has opened up a lot of conversations and opportunities with, including in the infrastructure space, people are really curious about how to finance everything from water pipelines and desalinization to roads and bridges and high-tech infrastructure and creative ways to do it. So that's been a really great foray the book launched as well besides the Nexus companies. Yeah. Now, what is your client going to look like? Do you have that mapped out yet where the type of clients that might qualify to work for you? So in some cases, there are people that are trying to build these types of companies.

And I'm more of on the big picture side because obviously I'm not going to tell micromanage people that work in a space day and day out. They are much better at doing what they do day and then day out. But I can provide a perspective, people that are doing, whether it's administrative management organizations or others, of how they can branch out and integrate some of these other services and how those connection points work. But also, like I said, the people I've actually gotten so far were more from the infrastructure conversations, like in the public policy realm and people in the private sector are looking to talk to governments about doing some of those types of projects. So that has actually been where the initial clientele came from.

But I think the nexus company part will be more about business development in that sphere, a big picture of how to get to the final result they want to do. Yeah. It's been wonderful to have you on and so insightful. And you've given people some really good tools that they can hopefully utilize to make their lives better and maybe change their finances. I know a lot of people are going in this what next moment because they've either been laid off. The economy is doing far worse than what we understand. And there's some people that say it's as bad as a 24 percent.

employment rate now because so many people have just left the workforce, you know, and I guess they're staying home, kind of COVID-saw. And you can't get a job. You can't get a job. That's, it's crazy out there. And AI isn't really helping because evidently there's so many these AI. There's so many of these AI. What am I trying to say?

AI, you've got to go through an AI filter now to get a job, which is crazy. Yeah, that's that's kind of a double-edged sword. Also, one last thing, too, I'll say about the book. One positive. I tried to keep it concise because I meant it to be. be, even though I'm going to do probably a sequel about more how to make money in the space, I try to keep it 90-some pages. I tried to keep it fairly concise so that it wouldn't be overly atrocious to get through it. I tried to hit a lot of points really fast rather than to go

into really deep detail about everything. So I think it's a very readable book. I try to make it pretty accessible. But it's give you room to fill in the blanks or fill in the stuff. The details on the second book. Exactly. Exactly. And, chance for that coming up soon? Probably six to 12 months because there's it's probably going to be more oriented towards like I said how to make money in the space and how company investors and entrepreneurs can look to develop companies in that space and make money by doing that because this was a little more policy focused even though you can take the lessons from the book and make money with them for sure in that's in the nexus company space but but that will probably be the

sequel, either that, and probably after that, maybe a follow-up in the public policy tools, because I could have gone a lot deeper into those. Yeah, it's all the more room for more books. And that is, they want short books and short reads and all that stuff. And it makes it a lot easier to do all these things. So thank you very much for coming the show. We really appreciate it, Sean. It's been great.

I appreciate you having me on. Thank you. I appreciate you coming. And thanks for us for tuning in. Order up his book where refined books are sold. There'll be a link on the Chris Voss show. It is called Nexus companies and a reimagined U.S. economy, revitalizing the U.S. economy in 5D. Thanks for tuning in.

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