The Chris Voss Show - The Chris Voss Show Podcast – Part 2 – 2020 Book Author Guests On The Show Roundup

Episode Date: December 30, 2020

Part 2 - 2020 Book Author Guests On The Show Roundup

You wanted the best. You've got the best podcast, the hottest podcast in the world. The Chris Voss Show, the preeminent podcast with guests so smart you may experience serious brain bleed. Get ready, get ready, strap yourself in. Keep your hands, arms and legs inside the vehicle at all times. Because you're about to go on a monster education roller coaster with your brain now here's your host chris voss hi folks chris voss here from the chris voss show.com welcome welcome welcome hey guys it's good to be the end of 2020 and we're doing this is part two or part two if you're a french i'm a horrible french person aren't i i shouldn't even bother i like fries though does that count bagels bagelets bagelets

uh i don't know i should just stop right now i'm behind huh uh anyway guys uh this is part two of what we're calling the 2020 Book Author Guest on the Show Roundup Part 2. So if you haven't listened to part one, go back and check that out. The premise of what we're doing here is we're basically doing a roundup. We're going back through all of the book author guest shows on the Chris Voss Show during 2020. I'm giving you some insights, some background, some different things you may have not been aware of or afterthoughts on the show of all the great book authors we had on the show. We're going from beginning to end.

We're starting in January, going through all the shows in their order and appearance and talking about some of the shows, what I remember about them, what stuck out to me, what impressed me. If I can't remember anything, I'll be 53 next month. So things are starting to go out the window. So we had brilliant authors on all year long, and I was just so impressed and honored to have everyone on. So we're going to be talking about the shows and their order of appearance, and this is part two. So if you haven't gotten a chance, go back and listen to part one.

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All right, so let's do it. And you're going to love the slate of authors and interviews. We have the CES show, lots of technical stuff coming up in January and February. It's really freaking awesome. So we'll get this baby wrapped up, and then make sure you subscribe to all your friends that subscribe for next year, 2021. You thought this year was huge, especially what we did in the last half. This is going to blow your mind, all the stuff we're going to have on this show.

So let's get to it. We'll start off the show with someone we had on from CNN you may recognize may recognize jim shudo and uh jim is an acre on cnn i think he's in the mornings around uh 11 my time i'm not sure what how they build that or sell that on uh on uh you know eastern pacific all that sort of good stuff i'm sure you know they're always like let's see the show at 11 uh uh, or whatever, you know, Eastern time. Cause that's all anyone cares about the Eastern Pacific, right? I'm stuck in mountain, but, uh, Jim, we had on the show and Jim had written this really cool book. Uh, and he took it from an interesting perspective where he tried to stay balanced, uh, as much as he could. Uh, and I think he did, um, from my discussions that we had with him. But Jim wrote a book called The Madman Theory, Trump Takes on the World, and he tried to

write an unbiased, balanced book where he took a look at what's called the madman theory, and it was a really interesting concept of the madman theory. I'll let you watch the episode to understand what the madman theory is um but uh it's it's kind of this concept of negotiation i'll get into it fucking uh it's kind of this concept of negotiation where um and it came from back in like nixon times it comes from like nixon and china's relations and or maybe it was cambodian-Vietnam relations. See, that's a 53-year-old starting to lose it. But it comes back from that time where Nixon used, I can never remember this gentleman's name. He was the German-Israeli that handled his negotiations with state and foreign relations. Kissinger.

There we go. I finally remember. Kissinger, there we go. I finally remember, Kissinger. So anyway, they played a madman theory game where Kissinger went to, I believe, the Vietnamese or the Chinese and went, hey, you know, Nixon's fucking losing it, which he kind of was actually. And you never know, he could drop a nuclear bomb on you guys.

You guys should probably negotiate with us. And they tried that. And what Jim breaks down is not only what that experience was and the results of it but he breaks down how trump tries to do that same thing where he tries to be you know hey there's that crazy guy over there donald trump and and you never know what he's going to do so we should probably all like be cool because uh you know you just never know. Let's all get along. So Jim breaks down these things that Trump tries to do during the course of his presidency up to that point in time where he used these methods and they tried to play this sort of game and he analyzes, did they really work or was the benefit good or bad or positive?

And what's really smart that Jim takes and does with the book is he breaks down, uh, is he interviews people from the Trump administration? Like, uh, I believe he, uh, uh, Bannon, uh, a bunch of people who either worked for Trump and got fired or work for Trump, uh, and stuff like that. So he's talking to the inside people. He's not going on people who hate Trump and Trump be there, for Trump and stuff like that. So he's talking to the inside people. He's not going to people who hate Trump and Trump be there. Trump sucks. He's talking to everybody and including people that work for him and asking them, did this

really work from your perception of being on the inside of the Trump administration? So really great book on Jim's part. He really tried to stay unbiased and and uh present the evidence and then let you decide on what you want to do uh it was really fun to have jim on the show you know cnn acre this guy appears like all the time uh we've had a couple different cnn people on the show and they've always been just wonderful people having the show jim was really cordial really down-to-earth guy you would think that a guy who appears on the on you know major news channels cnn might be a little uppity really down-to-earth

guy in fact responded to our posts on instagram um you know just just just a regular joe you go fishing with or hang with and i was really impressed by that um you know i didn't know what to expect, but I want people to know that because some people get these perception of a lot of these folks that you see them on TV news that they're uppity or whatever. And Jim was just really down to earth. He was like a guy I could go have a beer with anytime or talk to anytime, just a wonderful guy and maybe have a whole new appreciation for CNN. I've always appreciated CNN. Um, you have only appreciation and, and started watching

his show more, uh, catching his hour and his perspective on things. That's, it's kind of the long game of what a lot of these authors get from this is you tune into them and you're like, Hey, I should probably spend more time listening to this gentleman. Uh, so really fun to have him on the show. Really great guy, really brilliant perspective, walked a really fine, hard line. It's really hard, uh, to walk that line of like, well, let's talk about Trump without calling everything bad. And, uh, and I think he did a really, uh, good job of doing that. So, um, he still got called out for it. I saw a lot of the views and you could tell people who are Trumpers, you know, he got, Hey, but you're

like, Holy shit, dude, you you you interviewed like bannon and you've interviewed all the people i mean like you're calling from inside the house basically at that point i mean what do you what do you got to do man not to get thrown over whatever uh so great damn jim on the show wonderful and hopefully we'll get him again if if he ever comes up check him out on on the show he really uh probably should be more of a primetime anchor. I'd love to see him as a primetime anchor on CNN. So thanks to him for being on the show and all that good stuff, and we'll look forward to his career. Next up on the show, this is a really great author that I had that came on. This gentleman is a super pro at Ukraine and Russia, which was an interesting discussion because this was after the impeachment hearings, the Ukraine stuff, where we found out what Russia was doing.

And this guy wrote a book where he understands Ukraine, the Ukraine element of not only the country, its history, its politics, but also its influence from Russia. And he knows, and he spent like all this time digging through Putin. And he wrote this book on Putin and Russia that is extraordinary. And he also gets a good profile on the man, Putin. And it was just an incredible read, incredible discussion. And I highly recommend you check it out. The book was called Russians' Crony Capitalism,

The Path from Market Economy to kleptocracy. Anders Asland was on the show with us, and he's written numerous books about Ukraine, Russia, and everything else. His insight to this was extraordinary. The inside workings of Putin's financial setup, his government setups, his politics, what they do with their money. Just mind-blowing how this is set up. In fact, some of our discussion was to how dangerous this is or how close we are to becoming an oligarchy ourselves in America. So I love the discussion. It was a lot of fun to have with him and a lot of insight.

And this guy knows a lot about what's going on in Ukraine and, uh, Russia. And if you really want to understand what's going on in those segments, buy his books, check them out. Uh, some other authors we have on the show that I was really honored to have this year. Uh, she's written a couple of good books and this was a book that I wanted to have written. I wanted, there's like been two books this year that I wanted someone to write. I was like, I'd go write them, but I don't know how to write books. Number two. And boy, it sounds like a lot of work, but I wanted to know where the fuck Stephen Miller came from. Stephen Miller, the gobles of, of the, uh, Trump administration who has built the, um, uh, hopefully he ends up in a war crimes criminal in the Hague as far as I'm concerned. But basically told the story of where Stephen Miller came from, what made him be the monster that he is,

and exposes a lot of the monster stuff that they did inside the Trump administration that I hope they all go to the Hague for, for crimes against humanity. But I wanted somebody to write this book because I didn't want to go dig up who's Stephen Miller, where the fuck did this guy come from. But Gene Guerrero wrote this book called Hate Monger, and it's one of the top books that I highly recommend you read this year in understanding the persecution of immigrants and everything else. We had her on the show about him.

We talked about Stephen Miller. In fact, I think I got a little out of hand during the show, because I was like, I hope Steve Miller watches this show or somebody who knows him and i i kind of dropped some nasty stuff about him being an incel and other things i think poor gene was like chris you know seriously like what the fuck and but i'm like i want steve miller to watch this show and see the shit i'm gonna say about him anyway it Anyway, it was pretty, I don't know. I tried to be insightful with his motivation as a man or as an incel, his sexuality. What's interesting about Stephen Miller is his inability to develop relationships with them.

And instead, he creates this personality where he tries to be controversial as a way to try and attract women. So I was trying to get into some of that, too, as well. And Gene wrote this extraordinary book i mean the um the notes on it are just uh i think a quarter of the book or something a third i'm i'm embellishing that a little bit but uh her notes on it are extraordinary so she just didn't make shit up which i think a lot of people that write books on the trump administration get accused of but uh she wrote an extraordinary book um and, and her, her book prior, I got into a little bit, I haven't finished it, but it's definitely on the slate for 2021.

Uh, she wrote, uh, about, uh, illegal immigrants, her story of her father from Mexico, um, her journey to try and, uh, resolve some of those issues of childhood and understanding her father was kind of a journey we all go through with our fathers um but really great writing brilliant author i think i consumed the book like it was going out of style uh but i was so thankful to her for writing a book on stephen miller so i could know who this monster was and i learned so much about the uh conservative right wing hate racist stuff that's going on, and the networks that built Stephen Miller. Stephen Miller just didn't come out of nowhere. He was built by this machinery,

and they hit a home run right out of the park with him and getting Trump in office, and you learn the inner workings of how that got put together, and hopefully, based on her journalistic writings, we can figure out how to take apart that machine if we can. Heat Monger, Jean Guerrero, just wonderful to have on the show. Brilliant woman. Just really great intellectual on what she brought to the story there.

And just a hell of an expose on Stephen Miller. Book I want to have written. She smacked it right out of the park. She wrote it for me. No, I'm just kidding. But this is one of two books I wanted to have written this year that I was like, I really want to find out more information about this and everything else. Another book that we had on the show, this is by Finn Brunton,

Digital Cash, the Unknown History of the Anarchist, Utopian, Technologist Who Created Cryptocurrency. This is kind of an interesting historic dive we did and a fun conversation Digital Cash, the unknown history of the anarchists, utopians, technologists who created cryptocurrency. This is kind of an interesting historic dive we did and a fun conversation that we had. It was kind of fun because it wasn't about politics when there was so much on this year with politics. I mean, it was a political year. What can you say? But we talked about digital cash, cryptocurrency, the infancy of it, how it's created, some of the different concepts or ideas behind it and everything else. Very insightful conversation.

Highly, highly recommend it. Another book that we had on, Carl Benedict Frey. This gentleman was brilliant. He's a professor, I believe, in Oxford. The Technology Trap. I'm not seeing the fine print on this very well with my old eyes capital basically he tells a story about uh through history how technology has been used to uh upend um up in the societies up in economies up in governments uh in different ways that it's

happened he really doesn't come to much conclusion. He just presents the evidence and says, you figure it out. But it kind of, he kind of ties together an interesting concept of the consistencies of how technology comes in, destroys society, destroys economies, and then they have to rebuild with the new technology. You know, this constant reinvention of humanity, technology, and how it works and everything and all that good stuff. So a great book to get, check that out as well. Uh, another gentleman we had on the show operation vengeance. This was a book, uh, guys written a lot of different books, Dan Hampton, um, the astonishing aerial ambush that changed world war twoi um it was interesting to have him on it was a very interesting conversation let's put it that way he's written a lot of books uh i don't know what

to say about this thing man uh it was a good book i would advise you read it it's a true story of how they went in and went after the guy who planned Pearl Harbor. Check out the book. Check out some of his other books as well. The guy is a top-tier Air Force pilot or retired Air Force pilot. He did some extraordinary things. His extraordinary medals. I'd check him out and all that good stuff. It was interesting to have him on the show.

Let's put it that way. Most guests I have on are just really interesting to have on the show. I'm just going to leave it at fucking that. I don't know. I've had everyone on the show and just had a wonderful time with them. But you can check out Operational Vengeance, Dan's book, if you want. Let's see here uh this is another brilliant author to have on the show robert p jones i saw him on some different tv interviews and he was

calling from inside the room of religion he uh he's the author of the end of white christian america but he wrote this book called white Too Long, The Legacy of White Supremacy in American Christianity. And it was part of the group that came from the James, I've lost my train of thought here, the James Baldwin, Jim Baldwin, James Baldwin, James Baldwin, there we go. James Baldwin conversation. In fact, I believe White Too Long was the title. It was inspired from the book. But Robert runs, I think it's PRI, the organization,

and they do a lot of studies and insight to religion and what's going on in government, things of that nature. So he has a lot of brilliant intellectual stuff that he goes into. Super nice guy. Wonderful journey he took on here and very brave considering he's calling from inside the house of religion, talking about white nationalists, the extreme right of religion, why Trump is the way he is, and why they're still supporting him, and the breakdown, of, uh, religion and, and racism and white nationalism as well. Great discussion. I had with him a good friend of, uh, with him on Facebook

and stuff. I just really smart guy, the stuff he puts out in the date he puts out, I highly recommend, uh, from him and his organization. And, uh, I think it's great. People like this are doing this or calling out, you know, uh, they're, they're religious and they're calling out, Hey man, we all need to quit being racist and stuff like that. So, uh, great stuff there. Uh, another great authors that we had on the show. This is two authors. This is Kevin Sullivan and Mary Jordan.

We had them on the show. They're winners of the Pulitzer prize. Uh, I believe they're both co-editors or some of the echelons of the Washington Post. Brilliant, brilliant, wonderful people. Fun guests to have on the show. That was a fun show to do. I actually set up a couple funny bits in the show. You'll have to go watch the show to see them.

I wish we could have gone on film, but they were having a sunday kind of a weird sunday on there where the sun was coming in and the light wasn't happening and it just wasn't going to be a good video appearance and uh and so we did it on audio only but they wrote just the consummate historical thick book trump on trial it's the inside story outside um, of Trump's impeachment trial. And, uh, they tell the stories from, uh, everyone's perspective and all the data they collected, uh, which is kind of summation of all the different great journalists at the Washington post, uh, that have been following and put together and they, they put it through and then they present it as a great timeline piece of all the different players, what they were thinking, what they were doing,

and how we got there. And just the consummate book, it's basically a historical novel that probably kids should read in school. But an incredible book, super thick, super footnotes and data and everything else you can do, and also stuff that you didn't know about. Like if you watch the Trump on trial, uh,

uh, impeachment hearings like I did, and you followed the whole narrative of it, there's stuff in there you're going to learn about that will just blow your mind. You'll be like, Oh wow. That,

that all makes a lot more sense now. Uh, so Trump on trial, check out that book. Uh, wonderful to have them on really funny, gracious people really enjoyed, uh, being with them.. Wonderful to have them on. Really funny, gracious people. Really enjoyed being with them.

They really loved the joke I pulled. It was a bit that I did. It wasn't a joke on them, but it was a bit I pulled out. And we talked about journalism, why it was important. I think that was important for me too because I wanted to talk about journalism and why it was important. Part of one of the things that was going on during that time, I think the week before Donald Trump and the Trump administration had threatened the Washington Post saying they were going to build dossiers on them and target them. So that was kind of the reason we had some of the discussions that we have there.

So I advise you to go check that out because some of that bled into those discussions by my design and I love their thoughts on it. In fact, both Mary and Kevin gave me some responses to my questions that I held on to through the election that kind of kept me sane. There was a couple things they said and replies that they had, and there was a couple replies. Well, there was the reply from Obama about how we zig and we zag. And, you know, sometimes we lose our way, but we find our way back as Americans. Those are things I've been holding on to for four years as my method of sanity. So there was that.

But, yeah, just an extraordinary interview. Brilliant people. Definitely check them out. All that good stuff. Next up, we have The Boy in the Field, a novel by Margot Livesley. She's written a bunch of books. She's an accomplished, successful novelist. Just a great, fun discussion I had with her.

Great insight to how she writes her characters, how she builds them, and her thinking. It's fun to talk to novelists because novelists are very different than nonfiction. They have to invent everything, pretty much. With nonfiction, you're working usually with some sort of historical context or personality, and so you're writing about facts. But as a novelist, you have to invent everything. So it was really great to get her perspective. A lot of fun to have on the show. Very sweet gal. Uh, it's just one of those people that you love talking to and you're like, wow, I'd love to have a beer with those people anytime. Uh, in fact, I there's, I think just about everybody in the show. I'd, I'd love to have

on again and shoot the shit with, uh, there might be one I won't. Um, and you can figure out who that was. Um um let's see the poetry of strangers this was a great guy to have on the show i'm not into poetry but his story was just so mind-blowing and i think he got me back into poetry uh brian sonja wallace uh the poetry of strangers what i learned traveling america with a Typewriter. This is a mind-blowing story of serendipity. He is one of these poets that goes out to events with a typewriter. And there's a very kinetic purpose to that because you can improv a poem and give it to people because you hand them the paper. You can't really do that like, hey, can you wait till the printer prints went off and and you know and and they're out at events where

there's no plugs or electricity so and there's something very kinetic and uh acoustic if you will about a typewriter we talk about some of that but he uh did a very some very interesting things that he tells a story in the book about how he traveled to America. At one point he was riding on trains, and I think he was brought on by Union Pacific to do this, and basically write poetry and just improv it right on the spot. And so people come up to him and go, hey, we write a poem about me for this. And he'll kind of, you know, uh, kind of analyze you kind of like a,

I don't know, a Sue Sear, if you will, sort of thing. There's some sort of magic that he happens in that exchange and he writes a poem and he gives it to you and it's a kinetic poem. Uh, and, uh, and there it is. And it's, it's magical and it's beautiful. And, uh, you know, you, you pay him whatever you're supposed to pay or whatever he's charging or, you know,

whatever. And he just does that at places. And it's, it's quite a story, his perception of it. Like when you're looking on the face of it, you're like, you took a time frame,

you wrote poetry. Okay. But when you really listen to the story that you read his book and stuff, uh, his adventure, his serendipity,ity his perception of it his interpretation of it his presentation of it is just wonderful and uh i had a lot of fun with him on the show i think i'm friends with him on facebook uh just a really great guy and a guy i just can't wait going man this guy is fucking awesome what a brilliant perspective on the world and life and everything else. And just a story you wouldn't even think when you're like, what?

There's a book about poetry and kinetic typewriters? No way. Where is that going? Yeah, you just won't see it coming. Watch the show. Another great author we had on the show, Before You Go, Tommy Butler, a novel. This guy was extraordinary on the show. Beautiful book that would move me and presented in such a way i'd never seen a novel presented i don't read a lot of

novels so maybe there's some more like it but the way he presents the novels in the timeline in order in the extraordinary way that he talks about a subject that uh i didn't know you could go outside the lines on. And I'll leave it to you to watch the episode. I'm going to make that a teaser. But he talks about a subject about our life, afterlife, why we're here. He talks about it in a way and presents it in a fictional way that is is quite beautiful. And elegant. Moving. But you won't see it coming.

You won't even see it coming. And you have to take it apart. And it just becomes a page turner. Where you're like. What the hell happens next here? Just an extraordinary story. And probably one of the best novels. That I've kind of read in recent memory. And I really would advise you read it.

Go watch the show. We get into it. We talk about it. And, yeah, really impressed with that novel and everything else. I highly recommend it. Next up on the show, how are we doing here? Boy, we've got a lot of shows. There may be four parts of this thing Unforgetting Roberto Lovato a memoir of family migration gangs and the revolution in the Americas

uh I love having Roberto on in fact I think we talked for like a half an hour before the show and I finally had to clamp down and go we really need to get like all this great stuff you're saying uh Roberto into the show and uh you know i just the show was just going off the rails at the beginning it wasn't going off the rails we were having a lot of fun and he was he was sharing with me so much extraordinary stuff but i'm like hey whoa whoa we want we want to get this content in the show um brilliant author he talks about growing up uh as an el salvadorian child uh his family's from from El Salvador. They have the whole history of El Salvador. This is really interesting because I just found out about the giant massacres

in El Salvador during the Reagan administration and the impact of that and racism and the Reagan administration, you know, just all the things we were having with racism and how we got here, the city on the hill conversation the james baldwin conversation just everything melded together and uh i'd wanted to find out more about el salvador and some of the different things and he talks about growing up in southern california during that period of time of ronald reagan and experience his father, um, just an extraordinary rich book. Brilliant guy.

I think I talked to him a lot after the show. It was one of those guys where he was like, I mean, he's just so much great stuff and insight and stuff. And I love them. I invite him on the show to come on anytime he wants. He can talk about the book and promote it. Uh, another great guy we have on the show. I think those of you who like losing weight and doing politics would love our shows on this. Uh, we had Dr. Jason F have on the show, I think those of you who like losing weight and don't like politics would love our shows on this.

We had Dr. Jason Fung on the show, and we had him on twice. The first time he talked about his book that I believe comes out in January, The Cancer Code, A Revolutionary Understanding of a Medical Mystery. And we had him on the show again talking about the complete guide to fasting and the BCD code and locking the secrets of weight loss. Really great, brilliant stuff on the show. Really insightful. This guy is incredibly freaking popular. And just holy moly, he was popular. He is popular.

You definitely want to read his stuff and find out more about him. I believe he has a big fasting website he runs. I can't remember off the top of my head. And, yeah, just real insightful stuff. Really brilliant out-of-the-box thinking or outside-of-the-box thinking. Check him out as well. Another great author we had on the show, really was honored to have on, Jesus and John Wayne.

I've been talking with, you know, Eddie Glaude Jr. about the influence of Johnne on me as a man and my perception of manhood and how that shaped me but also the things i didn't pick up subconsciously of the racism of john wayne and everything else and of course i'd never read the playboy interview up to then that was the famous racist interview he did uh but she wrote a book called jesus and john wayne how why didn't evangelicals corrupted a faith and fractured nation kristin coves dumay um she came on the show uh extraordinary insight uh and also worked hand in hand with uh white too long robert p jones's book that i talked

about earlier in fact i think he recommended to have her on the show, and that's how I reached out to her. You've got to read her book. She talks about how all this is going down, how it happened. She breaks down the John Wayne experience. She's calling from inside the house. She's a religious person herself. I think it's brilliant and brave what she's doing. It just really gives you good insight to everything that's going on there as well. Next up we had on the show, white hot

light by Frank Hewler. Uh, this guy, uh, is, uh, an ER doctor. He's written a couple of books that have been incredibly popular, 25 years in emergency medicine. He came on and we talked about what's going on with the coronavirus, uh, what goes on in ER rooms, uh, stories. He has a lot of stories in the book about experiences, lessons, things he learned, things that happened to him in the course of those 25 years. Bit of blood and guts, got to be honest with you. I had a little hard time with it. I'm not a blood and guts guy. I'm one of those guys where if I see too much blood on the movie screen or if you tell me you're going to take my blood, I start to pass out. My head starts to swoon.

I've had to walk out of movies. I'm that, I'm that big baby. But if you can handle it, uh, the insights of humanity and lessons learned as a human being and stuff that he talks about in the our room and probably settings that, that, uh that that uh probably few other places can deliver those sort of lessons uh it's a great book and a great uh uh guest to have on the show next up we had ann werner uh she wrote the book the melt which i believe is part one of an apocalyptic book she's written a numerous set of books and i believe she used to be on the young and restless back in the day or one of the soaps. She'll forgive me, I hope. I can't quite remember exactly, but we had her on.

Delightful, insightful, really interesting thing. She wrote this book, Demelt, before the coronavirus pandemic, and it has some parallels in there. So you definitely want to see the interview and check out the book because it's kind of like, it's kind of weird how she wrote this book and she didn't see this one coming. A lot of these books, it was kind of interesting. They were written and turned into their publishers and then published months later. And you're just like, wow, were you a fortune teller? So there you go.

Another great book. This fell on the same line. We had about nine of these books on that I was really excited to have these authors on that fell into the vein of the talking about white nationalists, white religion, and Trump and God and what the hell is going on with these people. And this author came on, Taking America Back for God, Andrew L. Whitehead and Samuel L. Perry. They came on the show, Christian Nationalism in the United States. Brilliant discussion. You should follow his podcast or their podcast.

I believe they do on Twitter. Just really great discussion on what's going on there. And, yeah, just really great to have him on the show. Just really insightful discussion. I'm probably going to mention a few other books that were in that same vein. All these books take apart and build, show the network that's built to create monsters like Trump, like Stephen Miller and everything else. And I'd highly recommend you grab all these books if you really want to understand what's going on. Trump and Stephen Miller don't pop out of a box and you're just like, wow, someone dropped you on your head and now you're an asshole. These people are built and programmed by machine networks, by PACs, by dirty money, by billionaires who want to destroy America.

At least the America that we know from a democratic state. Create a theocracy or an enslavement, oligarchy, all that stuff. So definitely you should check out that book, uh, and all of these books in that vein, the next author I have up dynamic reteaming. Uh, it was wonderful and fun to have her on the show, the art and wisdom of changing teams, Heidi Heflin. Um, O'Reilly, uh, was the book publisher on this dynamic reteaming. She has a lot of fun out on the show. We talked about, uh, she's worked in the tech industry in Silicon Valley for a lot of, I think,

big and reputable companies. Lots of fun to have on the show. I think after the show, we talked about opening old Apple computers to see the signatures and everything, which I didn't even know about and my friends didn't know about. But yeah, just a hoot in talking about how to reteam, build teams, better,

uh, build companies and employees so that you get more productivity out of them. Just a great, brilliant discussion with her and a highly recommend the book to check out. Uh, this author we had on the show, I've been following for years on Twitter and he is prolific. If you don't follow him, you may want to follow him. Seth Abramson. He's written a multitude of books. In fact, I think this is the third in a trilogy, if I recall rightly. And it's largely about Trump and politics.

And he's a great aggregator of news. He basically collects all the news, puts it together, puts it in a format you can understand. And he also breaks a lot of news uh gets a lot of scoops and a lot of good stuff but he wrote the third book in the series called proof of corruption bribery impeachment and pandemic in the age of trump uh seth aberson new york times bestseller of proof of conspiracy i think he did three of these proof books. Seth is a great guy, brilliant, very funny. He was wonderful to have on the show. Hugely popular book, hugely popular show.

That thing got a ton of downloads and a ton of, hopefully, a ton of orders off all those downloads. But he was really popular. Let's just put it that way. And I think he continues to be popular even on youtube with our with our uh media that we took and made for him uh but really great guy to have on the show really insightful super freaking smart definitely check him out and if if uh on top reading the book follow him on twitter and stuff the guy is just a monster at data and knowledge and insight to politics what what Trump and the administration

are doing. Um, and, uh, he'll really keep you up to date. There you go. Um, next up we have the show, another brilliant author that's actually was really popular and doing really well. I'm not sure if some of it comes from, um, from the Arab world, because I have a lot of people making comments on the YouTube video in Arabic. So I'm not sure if he's made people angry or happy over there in the Arab region, if you will. I'm not even sure what some people are saying sometimes because they write in Arabic. But his podcast was very popular and YouTube very popular, and I get lots of comments. So this was a book written by both Bradley Hope and Justin Scheck. I believe they're both Wall Street Journal.

Journalists, forgive me if I get that wrong. I believe they're both Wall Street Journal or New York Times, but I'm pretty sure Wall Street Journal. But they wrote Blood and Oil, Muhammad bin Salman's ruthless quest for global power. It was really interesting. We talked to him right after the Saudi Arabian government had issued the kind of faux punishment for the killers of the journalist from, I believe, the Washington Post. And so it was a really sobering read. He tells a story of how this monster was built and how he got here and how he thinks and what he does. And they had extraordinary interviews.

And sometimes the risk of personal risk at getting some of these interviews and delving some of this information out and sharing it. Great book, Blood and Oil. Great discussion I had with him on the show. Really fun guy. Great guy to have on the show. I think I'm friends with him on Facebook.

But really insightful. I'm going to look forward to just everything he does, but just really hard-hitting uh, great stuff from them. Um, next up on the show, Dr. Joseph Murphy, expand, uh, the power of your subconscious mind. This is kind of an interesting book. Uh, it was commentary and teachings by C. James Jensen, and he kind of repurposed it or retread it, went back and kind of explained it better and did his spin on things and different things. Great guy to have on, really warm, super friendly, really nice guy. And he came on, talked about, you know, the subconscious mind, expanding the power of

your thing, and really took the teachings of C. James Jensen to the next level and gotten some details with it. So be sure to check it out. Incredible speaker, great life story. This guy's just incredible life. Next up, we had someone I was really honored to have on Brittany K. Barnett. She wrote the book, A Knock at Midnight, which is a reference to, I think, a sermon from

Martin Luther King or a subject from Martin Luther King, A Story of Hope, Justice, and Freedom. If you're familiar with Kim Kardashian going to the White House and getting several people released from prison and nullifying their prison sentences that were just way overdone in terms of length and punishment and stuff. She is an accomplished, super successful corporate attorney. Um, and, uh, Barnett, uh, uh, is, I should say, uh, Kim Kardashian. I think she just got her law thing, but, uh, she works with

Kim Kardashian in that project that they're using to get people's uh sentences either reduced or people released from prison who have been wrongly or badly overpunished um and uh so she works with that project she's instrumental in getting those people out i mean kim kardashian is kind of like i don't mean this rudely but kind of like the front figure head or the PR person doing it. And she's doing all the legal background or stuff. Incredible, heartbreaking, touching, moving. I cried several times in the first chapter.

I told her that on the thing, and I'm not sure she believed me. She's like, really, you cried? You look like a big dude, and you don't care, but just really sweet and gentle. I think by about halfway through the show, she realized that I was incredibly sincere about the project she was working on, what she was doing. And, um, her book is something extraordinary. It's won lots of awards. I believe it's like the top 10 or top 20 books on so many lists this year. It's incredibly relevant because part of it tells the story of her growing up in the 80s during the repressive Ronald Reagan regime, the attacks they did with them on drugs and everything else. I think it was personal for me very much so because her mother had issues with alcoholism and drugs. I had seen that from a girlfriend that I had been engaged to and the effect on children.

And so it kind of gave me an insight to her. Just a really great interview. Wonderful time spent with her. I just, just such an insightful thing and a really great book to read. If you want to understand racism and what Ronald the what ronald reagan and his little cronies did with conservatives and stuff to people she gives you an on the ground uh thing and experience of what the drug war did attacking minorities and creating this this megalomania out of control prison system and justice system that that basically targets minorities and locks them up forever.

Uh, and racism, uh, just extraordinary book. And this book won so many different awards. This book was huge when we announced that she was coming on the show. And once we had her on the show, it was huge, uh, very popular. Um, it just an extraordinary book. And her story is, is, uh, I just, wow. It's just, it will make you cry. It will break your heart. But the fact that she's taken that heartbreak and that heartache

and turned it into, number one, a successful career, but also into being someone who's doing all the great things that hopefully she'll be remembered for, someone with a statue of her too. Just a wonderful, extraordinary to, um, just, just a wonderful, extraordinary experience. Grab the book and knock at midnight. I think it'd be moved by, uh, next great author that we had. I really loved having her on. Uh, she was a lot of fun to have on. Uh, she's one of those people that just, I learned so freaking much. Like she blew my mind. Like I was watching an interview with her before uh right

before the show and i was just like oh my are you they're doing this they're doing that they're doing this and she was a lot of fun to have on the show um this falls in the same vein of the white too long the jesus and john wayne taking back uh america for god or taking america back for god get it right chris um of this white nationalist christian telling the story of of the big networks the packs the billionaires the betsy devos organization the i believe it's the council of national policy all these people that brought us trump and this monstrous racism and everything else and trying to turn america into theocracy um so she was great to have on the show.

Lots of fun. Great discussion. She's one of those people that are just so much fun to have on the show. I'm like, you can come on any time. We'll just shoot the shit and talk about whatever. Great author. I'm excited. I think she's got some projects, too, that she's working on that should be great. But incredible insight.

The shit that I learned from her and her book. Oh, my God. Once again, for the umpteenth time, Trump doesn't and Stephen Miller don't come out of nowhere. These people are built by fucking rich monsters who want to control this nation and turn it into something other than a democracy. And they're willing to make Trump king for it. You've got to read her book. Catherine Stewart, The Power Worshippers. So check out that book, Inside the Dangerous Rise of Religious Nationalism.

A book I really liked. Daniel Cohen, The Infinite Desire for Growth. This is an interesting book by Daniel. And we talked about how there's this insatiable need for growth. Well, we always have to be like, we can never be happy with what we have at Restaurant of Laura's. We always, what's the next big thing? What's the next big thing?

What's the next big thing? You know, we're always on this horrible mission where we never appreciate anything, but we're just constantly going to the next big thing and trying to grow, grow, grow, grow. And he talks about some of the issues that surround that because sometimes, you know, over uncontrolled or unfettered growth might not always be a good thing. Okay, that's just what he's saying, and he's right about it. And he presents some really good audience to it. The next guest that we have on the show, wow, this really sucks. This is at the end of the

show. I don't know that I want to have this at the end of the show. Do I know this end show? He really should be a beginning of the show sort of thing, but I, you know, I'm going to run out of time. So you definitely want to hear this part, um, of the show. Uh, let's see. I just lost the page on it. Um, Peter struck, Peter struck the FBI agent and I forget his official title, but he's like, he's like in the top echelons. The FBI was on the show and I was really honored to have him on the show. I wasn't sure if we get him, um, and everything else. He appears on TV all the time and everything else, but I really want to have him on the show. When I was seeing Peter Strzok on his interviews, it would drive me mad. It would drive me nuts because he had some of the insights to Flynn, the Hillary investigation, the Trump investigation.

He knew what was going on, and he was trying to balance it all and make it all happen and somehow hold the FBI to its highest standards and ethics. And, uh, you know, they were just going through an extraordinary punishing thing because, you know, no one's ever investigating the president, you know, and he's inside the room, if you will. So, um, uh, I wanted to get him on the show because I was so, I used to scream at the TV because he would get on shows like CNN or MSNBC and, and they, and it'd be like,

okay, here's the guy who knows what happened and, and how Trump's trying to overthrow the democracy. And then they would start asking about his messages about his affair that he had and how those messages got exposed and, and all that sort of stuff. And they would just get into the Kim Kardashian salacious bullshit of it. And I hated that.

I hate it. And they, they would waste the whole five to 10 minutes segment that they had with Peter, just talking about that. And it would drive me fucking nuts. Cause I'm like, okay,

great. The guy had an affair and he's got some messages from her. I don't give a shit. I don't know how my country's getting fucking overthrown into a coup by some asshole orange maniac. I don't, you know, this guy was an FBI agent, the FBI code and all those things. And you want to talk about his fucking Kim Kardashian text messages?

Fuck you. You just wasted that whole segment, and we didn't even find out any of the stuff about how he's trying to destroy my country. fucking Kim Kardashian text messages. Fuck you. You just wasted that whole segment. And we didn't even find out any of the stuff about how he's trying to destroy my country. So I just felt like so many of Peter's interviews are wasted. He had, you know, I mean, every appearance he had, he was just getting taken apart between the Senate hearings and the House hearings. The poor guy was just brutalized. I just see him as a human being, as a guy with a high amount of ethics and coming out of the FBI system.

I wanted to interview him in a way that I'd never seen him interviewed before. So I put a lot of work into his interview. I tried to, and it was fun to have him. We had a lot of fun on the show. I wanted to see Peter Strzok laugh. I wanted to get to know him a little bit more, at least for my audience, get to know him a little bit more as a human being, as a, put a human face on him. Because he just, he just been just brutalized and attacked for so long in the media, the press, legislators. I mean, and I felt for him in a way where I have had friends that have had affairs and are trying to hold their marriages together in spite of them for whatever their reasons are.

And so to me, it was just an extraordinary set of events, and it was, in fact, in American history. But to me, I wanted to put a different face of Peter Strzok or present a different Peter face. I mean, Peter Strzok's face. It's not like I control that sort of thing, but I want to have a different narrative or different conversation, different interview with him that would humanize him better. And that was my evil plot on his thing, was to be like, let's talk about things so that when people get to know Peter Strzok better, they see a human being, they see a guy who's trying to do the right thing.

They don't see whatever sort of narrative has been presented by politicians and news media. And we talked about the things that fucking mattered when it came to america and capitalism and and uh saving the constitution and and the fbi and standing up for what's right and we didn't get into the stupid minutiae of fucking kim kardashian bullshit um so uh i was really honored to be able to deliver that uh interview with them or hope i I did and have that conversation with him. And if you go and watch that interview, you're probably going to see a side of Peter Strzok that I never saw in any interview that was done with him up until that time.

I think the closest thing I saw was 60 Minutes did an interview with him and they had him laughing and they were talking about stuff. We actually have some fun banter in the we had a fun time the whole time. Actually, I love my interview with them and they had them laughing and they were talking about stuff. And we actually have some fun banter in the, we had a fun time the whole time. Actually, I love my interview with Steve, with Peter. Um, but, uh, we talked about some stuff that was a lot of fun. We talked about the Rolling Stones. Uh, I, there was a few jokes I had in there for him. I had a whole lot of jokes written for his show, but I was really worried that I somehow would make his life more painful if i told some jokes and

and they got in the wrong hands or whatever so i had to put some of those jokes to bed that i had written for peter maybe we'll have him on the future and and uh he'll be uh represented as the hero that he was and uh you know the good guys will win in the end and looks like we're headed that direction. And so it was a lot of fun. But I wanted to do a show with Peter that would humanize him and show him as something different than what the narrative had been behind him. And I think I did that. And it wasn't me.

I mean, he's a great guy just in himself. And I think he, hopefully we present him with a venue where he could present himself as the human being that he is and the struggle he goes through. To me, that's the humanity of it too. I mean, that's, we all go through that. We're all human fucking beings. We're putting, you know, but what he went through was, uh, extraordinary and his insight into it was extraordinary. And, and I just, just the, uh, just the struggle of what they had to deal with was, was extraordinary and, and probably will be talked about from history from here on out. But, uh, um, I, I was, I came away impressed and even more than I was before.

And I think he's a hero of American democracy. And, uh, I hope that someday he'll be recognized as such, uh, after we get through these troubled times. Um, but yeah, great interview with peer, go see it. Um, yeah, I tried to, I worked really hard to present something different with Peter, um, and interview him in a different way than I'd seen anyone interview him with. And, and I felt like a lot of his interviews have been unfair. So I was really honored to get a chance to, to, to do that. I think, I think,

I don't know if he really knew what I was up to, but, um, I asked a lot of questions that, that they really got into the heart of the man and depth of the man, as opposed to what were your text messages. So, um, and I got to know about who the fuck he really was and hopefully my audience did too, and how this is a guy who really gave a shit about doing what's right uh following the rules uh following the fbi code and uh serving democracy and serving his country well and uh and uh was was dealing with just these monsters of donald trump and and all of his gang of idiots that I dislike horribly. So go check out the Peter Strzok interview. Really great guy.

Wonderful discussion I think I had with him. And like I say, I'm hoping that someday they'll call him a hero. And I think he was too. I'm calling him a hero now. So there you go. Next up we had Catherine Yvonne, Bottle of Lies. This is quite extraordinary. She is an extraordinary author, journalist, et cetera, et cetera. She wrote this book called The Inside Story of the Generic Drug Boom, Kirkus Reviews, called the Best Health and Science Books of 2019.

She did, I believe it's a 10-year expose into the drug manufacturing industry, the FDA, but also of generic drugs. And wow, holy crap, she will make your visit to the pharmaceutical companies an interesting one with a lot of questions because holy moly, moly, moly, she wrote an extraordinary book with Zindepp. So if you want to know what's in your prescription bottle and generic medicines and all that good stuff, go get Bottle of Lies by Katherine Eban. Anyway, we're going to move to Part 3. We're rounding up to an hour, and wow, there's probably going to be four parts to this. It might be five if I don't shut up and start banging through these.

But we're going to get through them. We're going to review, and I'm going to give you some insights to some of the great interviews of awesome book authors we had on The Chris Foss Show. Be sure to check them out. Order up their books. Search for them on The Chris Foss Show. Subscribe to it. And we'll see you on part three.