The Chris Voss Show - The Chris Voss Show Podcast – Part 4 – 2020 Book Author Guests On The Show Roundup

Episode Date: December 31, 2020

Part 4 - 2020 Book Author Guests On The Show Roundup

You wanted the best. You've got the best podcast, the hottest podcast in the world. The Chris Voss Show, the preeminent podcast with guests so smart you may experience serious brain bleed. Get ready, get ready, strap yourself in. Keep your hands, arms and legs inside the vehicle at all times. Because you're about to go on a monster education roller coaster with your brain now here's your host chris voss hey folks chris voss here from the chris voss show.com the chris voss show.com hey we're coming with another super great podcast and we've been doing something that's the end of 2020 we're doing a look back on all the wonderful book authors we had on the show and i'm sharing you some of the kind of

behind the scenes experience that we had with them some of my impressions and thoughts some of the ways we produce the shows and everything else uh and uh yeah lots of fun and hopefully it gives you a look back to where you can look at some of these authors, get some of my opinions on their appearances in their books and decide what you want to read for 2021. You can go, uh, order up their books and all that good stuff. Um, so anyway, let's get into it. And this episode is brought to you by IFI audio and their new NEO IDSD.

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Check out their new incredible lineup of DACs and audio enhancement devices at ifi-audio.com. So let's get into it. This probably should just be four of four, I think, for all the different books that we had. I was looking at some of the pictures, and I think we're close to the end. So we'll run through these and see if it can stick to part four of four. If not, we'll go to a five. So there's that.

So we'll tell you all five. So there's that. So we'll tell you all the dirty secrets and everything else that went on with a lot of the podcasts, people we had on the show. Really great guests we had on the show. We're really honored to have Richard Haas. He wrote the book, The World, a brief introduction.

Richard Haas is, you see him on TV, especially MSNBC all the time. Morning Joe, really brilliant gentleman. He's worked for several presidents and president administrations. This guy knows foreign relations like nothing else. And I believe he is the CEO of the Council for Foreign Relations, the CFR, I believe it is, Council of Foreign Relations, or Council for Foreign Relations, one of those two. Anyway, he was wonderful on the show, a whole lot of fun.

One of my favorite moments in all my podcasting is when I popped him with my John Bolton question, and he laughed uproariously. There was another Kim Kardashian joke that i ended out of the show um and uh and it was a good time had by all a brilliant discussion brilliant man uh thought leader uh the man who knows the world probably better than most of us do in the map and uh he has council presidents and white houses um so i definitely advise you check the book i got a a chance to read it. I learned so much more, and I thought I knew a lot about U.S. history and the world. There's so much to learn in it, and it's a great catch-up for people that want to take and do that. Just a warm, wonderful gentleman. Honored to have him on the show.

It was a lot of fun. Just a hoot. Great comedic sense of humor. And, yeah, it was just wonderful to have him on the show. We had a great time. Next up on the show, this is a great interview that we had from Reeves Weidman. He wrote Billion Dollar Loser. And this is a book I wanted somebody to write about

and it was about the WeWork CEO and all the craziness and the drinking and the drugs and the spending and just the nuttiness that went out there I can't remember what outlet Reeves works for I believe it's the Wall Street Journal or

it's either the Wall Street Journal or Times or WAPO but he kicks ass wherever he is. But he wrote this book that documented and basically told the story of the history of the rise and fall of WeWork and how crazy and nutty this whole thing was, and he kicked ass. Just said, you want to read about a shit show, and we talked about a lot of the stuff that they did there,

and WeWork is still an ongoing project. They still have to bail that out. SoftBank had to go and we talked about a lot of the stuff that they did there. And WeWork is still an ongoing project. They still have to bail that out. SoftBank had to go in and bail out a lot of stuff. But really interesting story about the failures of a Silicon Valley startup gone wrong, especially when it really wasn't a tech company. It was a real estate company that had been spun as a tech company, which was an interesting way to do business. Next up on the show, had jax miller jax miller she's written several books she's a brilliant author

but uh she wrote a uh i guess a documentary of hell in the heartland murder meth and the chase of two missing girls and she tells the story about uh well murder meth mayhem and two missing girls that i believe if i understand, no one's ever found. I can't remember the conversation much that we had at the time. But she was a wonderful guest, really joyful. And what's funny is the people in the book that she wrote about, she's friends with still. In fact, they're close friends. And I believe it was in Oklahoma.

Anyway, Hell in the heartland and uh i guess the heartbreaking story for a lot of people in that area they know the story and everyone's always been trying to find these two missing girls and the circumstances surrounding were just crazy extraordinary uh so definitely check that book out as well uh the other guest that we had on had a great time with um uh i believe it was laura marks she wrote the uh the this comic book this graphic comic comic book uh called daf daphne bairn and it was part of joe hill hill house comics which i think was under DC, if I recall correctly. And she came on the show and was just awesome, super funny, just an amazing amount of, yeah, Laura Marks, just an amazing amount of comedy and insight and wit

and ability to create a story and have the insight to it. Just a really fun conversation, and she's an incredible author in drawing all this stuff up. And then, of course, the artist came in and made it really cool. If you love graphic novels and things of that nature, you should check it out, or comics, you should check it out as well. She was a lot of fun to have on the show. Let's see.

Grasp the science and transforming of how we learn sanjay sarma and we had luke yo quinto i believe is how you pronounce his last name had them on the show these guys were both mit brains just super super smart guys had them on the show and they talked about you you know, how we learn, how we grasp basically technology or, or transform and, and how we learn stuff from a child and how that can be applied in different ways of our life, business and everything else. Great discussion I had with them. Uh, we talked about the technical aspects of it, the MIT stuff, uh, entertaining with a few, uh, horrible jokes about my poor education and flunking out everywhere

and starting businesses and we applied some of that knowledge to what they were doing and I think they got some laughs of it because they were just like this guy is an idiot and we're at MIT but they're a really nice gentleman

and wonderful to have on the show very honored to have people from MIT on the show and they definitely enlightened us and our guests. And I think if you listen to that episode, you'll be enlightened by it as well. Christy Tate showed up on our thing. She came to the podcast with her book group, how one therapist and a circle of strangers saved my life. This is really interesting. And I thought it would help a lot of people, especially during the pandemic, because, you know, we're all struggling. In fact, I really feel like I need to be in a, in a mental home half the time with the pandemic and everything that's going on and

the craziness. But one of the things that she'd had struggles with was, uh, getting therapy or getting to therapy. She, you know, it was making a lot of bad choices in her life. Personally, she, she had intimacy issues. She had eating issues, a lot of stuff that, uh, a lot of women grow up with. And, uh, and she was really struggling. Things were working out in so many different levels of her life. Um, and I believe if I recall right, she was going to law school, I think if I remember, um, and someone recommended group therapy and group therapy is much cheaper than one-on-one therapy with the therapist. And she's like, I don't know, I'll go. And she went and she learned so much more and she was kind of at that breaking point

that some people do. And I think that's why I'll talk about it. Um, she was at that breaking point of almost suicide, um, because she, you know, just was so upset with how her life was working out. So she found group therapy and it saved her. That's why the title of the book is as it is. And so we had a really interesting discussion of her journey going down that road. uh you know she had issues from childhood that she was dealing with and in intimacy and acceptance of herself and who she was and everything else and uh yeah it's it was a it was a great discussion and i think it was beautiful and and hopefully it's a good example for people might be struggling

with those sort of same issues and hopefully they'll you know uh maybe group therapy will work for you we might all need group therapy after this coronavirus thing. Next up on the slate, we had Andrea Fejenfeld. Andrea Fejenfeld, Andrea Fejenfeld. She wrote the book A Rainbow Like You. like you it's a rock and roll sort of novel and a story about a guy a band and uh you know love is in there the band and traveling and touring and stuff and what's really cool about her book is she actually had a song made uh basically from the band like fake band in the in the book uh but there's like a song that goes with it. It actually, the book has a single. How many times do you buy a book that has a single with it?

I thought that was brilliant, brilliant marketing. And it just, to her, it just added a new dimension to the book that you couldn't have otherwise and kind of probably a realism. And I thought that was brilliant. What a brilliant concept. So check out her book, A Rainbow Like You. She's a really super fun author to have she's musically inclined in fact we had a lot of conversation about the guitar behind her

um mic and i was like wow that's really cool what you're doing there so very great awesome stuff there next up on the slate we had lisa jewel she wrote the novel invisible girl if you're not familiar with lisa jewel she writes a lot of different books. So you can see a whole full slate of her stuff there. I mean, we just talked novel stuff pretty much. Lisa was just wonderful on the show. Beautiful woman. Great person to be around.

And, yeah, we just had fun, talked about the book and her other books and made some jokes and if you love her books or if you're not familiar with them go check out the whole line series that she has next up this was a really interesting conversation that i wanted to have with devlin barrett uh devlin i forget which outlet he works for i believe it's the wall street journal no it's it's the washington post. No, it's the Washington Post. And he wrote the book, October Surprise, How the FBI Tried to Save Itself and Crashed an Election. The premise of his book is basically what Comey did and the FBI agents at the time, by doing what they did, they basically handed the election to trump instead of hillary

and his book largely rides on that premise of of how it was the deciding factor that and he presents great evidence brilliantly written book well thought out and when i first had caught word of having him on the show and i was like i don't know man is that really is it really like did the fbi really do this i mean there's so many different ways that trump could have lost i mean you know even with hillary went to wisconsin and stuff um i've had peter struck and different other people on the show in fact we invited james comey on the show for his recent book that's coming out in january um and uh so many different people that have been on the show and we've had this discussion about the FBI stuff and, and I've always kind of been in the opinion that it's hard to blame

the FBI for everything. I mean, certainly if she would have went to Wisconsin, Pennsylvania and all these different States that you see now when Biden goes to, they flip back to democratic, um, you know, uh, whatever. it back to democratic um you know uh whatever but uh he wrote an incredible book on october surprise beautiful smart uh he put up a great argument i threw him a couple wingers on like well what about this what about that what about wisconsin and he took them all in and uh we had a great uh intellectual discussion about it and uh by the time we were done, I was sold. I was like, well, it does look like that definitely was a factor.

I mean, I don't think that there's, I don't think there's anywhere where everyone may know 100% beyond a de facto thing. But certainly the fact that Hillary was under investigation, everyone knew about it. And Trump was also under investigation and no everyone knew about it, and Trump was also under investigation, and no one knew about it, was unfair. And it's really interesting, the rules of what the FBI has to deal with and everything else, but, I mean, that's the Rubicon that we crossed, and hopefully we'll never cross it again, and hopefully we'll put some rules down to change it so that the FBI knows what

to do, and hopefully we just won't elect criminals. That might be a good idea, too. So the FBI isn't dealing with this shit. The other gentleman I had on was Adam Latz, Creationism USA, Bridging the Impasse on Teaching Evolution. Adam was wonderful to have on the show. We talked for, I think, almost two hours. The show just went on teaching evolution. Um, Adam was wonderfully having the show. We talked for, I think almost two hours. The show just went on so long. I remember breaking during the middle of the show after an hour. Uh, and we'd done, I don't know, 20 minute pre-show, uh, cause we do a green room effect with everybody. And I'm just like, Adam, I love where you're going. You're

really hot on this topic right now, but I gotta go go pee because I can see that this is going to go another half an hour. And so it's a really long episode. We really get into creationism, religion, teaching evolution in schools, whether you should or not. We get into the arc thing that's built somewhere out in, I don't know, Georgia, Alabama, or Oklahoma, wherever that stupid giant arc thing is. The fact that uh you know the argument about dinosaurs and whether christians accept them or or whether there were dinosaurs on the ark which there are in that big display um so yeah there that was that was our discussion with adam uh he was he had a lot of fun and uh it was kind of fun i think he made a comment on the show he's like at home i can't talk about this room my wife or she gets pissed because you know they wives are like

i don't want to hear about your business talk um and uh obama used to get a lot of crap when he tried to talk you know uh government stuff around his wife at the dinner table you know michelle would be like uh you know what move leave that at the door. I can't blame her, really. So anyway, he was loads of fun to have on because he just got to expel all this stuff. And we had a great, me being an atheist, we had a great time. Check out his book, Creationism USA. Another gentleman I had on that I really had fun with. This guy was really brilliant.

And he runs a series of books that are much like the title of what his book is this book that he brought us was wise as fuck now he has all these as fuck books and uh the uh bottom of simple truths in your guide through the shit storms of life gary john bishop really brilliant guy, very smart. I love the spin that he put on things, his outlook, his paradigms on different things, and a good guidebook, especially for 2020. So it was great to have him on the show

so that he can help people get through some of the paradigms and shifts they need to make to survive this world. Just a really brilliant guy. Check out all of his books. Wise as fuck, Gary John Bishop. Next up, I have a good friend, Mark Ensign, on the show. Mark is just a brilliant friend of mine.

I've always admired him. He's a very logical sort of guy, very measured, brilliant guy. I think he has a successful consulting company. I've been friends with him for years. I don't know how or where we bumped into each other, became friends, but I've always seen him and gone, this is a smart guy. You just know that guy. And he's always known me as being, well, not the smart guy.

But he's always been a wonderful friend on facebook and everything else hopefully we'll sit down and have a beer someday he wrote this book called be a dick which is kind of interesting and and they say the dick part with a capital d how one person can change the world in the most unexpected way and uh be a dick is not what you would think the cover shows don't cross out and be a dick with a capital d so basically what this is this is a story of where he was going through some crisis and catharsis in his life he was trying to uh rechange things and go a different direction and it wasn't working very well and and he'd really upended his life and his family. And he went for a walk one day and he met this guy named Dick. And he was so taken by Dick's outlook on life and his interaction with him and his kids and kind of his value systems that he had.

He was really impressed. And so he started spending more time with this gentleman. I almost said Dick. He started spending more time with Dick. He started spending more time with this gentleman. I almost said dick. He started spending more time with dick. He started spending more time with this gentleman, learning from him, and kind of learning his sort of mantra and his way he went out and about his business. And so he wrote this book, Be a Dick, basically as a play on that, to say, be like this dick gentleman that he met named Dick.

And yeah, basically that. So you get it. It's a play. It's kind of a funny thing. It's a, it's a thing you're going to remember. And Mark's a great guy. He came on the show, explained it. We had some fun.

There's a whole bunch of jokes he has behind it. So there's that. Next up on the show, we had Ellis Coase. And he is a multifaceted, talented author. This guy has written, I think it was like 12 or 18 books. Might have been more. He's written so many books. It was an honor to have him on the show.

He wrote The Short Life and Curious Death of Free Speech in America. This is another interview that I had where I learned so freaking much. I had so many epiphanies. I think there were several things I said and he corrected me and I went, oh yeah, you're right. Wow. This guy was really freaking smart. In fact, now that I'm reading, I'm reading cast right now. And we had some discussions about slavery and race and, and Black Lives Matter and stuff on top of his great discussion that's in this book. And now I see what he's talking about now that I'm reading cast and stuff. Some of the things he's referring to. So watch the episode. It's a beautiful episode. The guy is really smart.

I'll give you a background on this, which is kind of funny. Normally I'll sit down and watch videos of interviews of people that are going to guest on the show ahead of time. And it's kind of some of my research and prep that I do. So he's being interviewed by some you know, some other, uh, book interviewing, uh, podcast or whatever. And the guy's an attorney and the guy starts arguing with them about, uh, some precept of the book or principle of the book. And it's funny, he won't let Ellis really debate the situation, and he keeps just trying to run roughshod over Ellis,

which is really just kind of narcissistic. I kind of thought it was kind of selfishly stupid. And so I remember watching it, and I'm like, holy shit, finally I had to turn it off because the guy was just rude at a certain point. And Ellis kept trying to deliver the debate and what his findings were. And this guy was just clearly, I mean, just from what I knew, this guy was completely off base. He was not assessing the data correctly, and his assumptions were all wrong. So when I had Ellis on, I remarked to him.

I says, you know, Ellis, I watched that one show you were on and uh and parts of it were edited so clearly some shit had gone down somehow or i don't know something had happened um and i said you know i said you know what else just so you know we're having on the show i don't debate my interviewees i don't i don't debate you you guys do all this research you guys spend hundreds of hours writing these books doing these research studying all this stuff and for for me to debate you unless you come with something like really crazy like i know aliens are landing and donald trump has one in his butthole um you know something really weird uh i'm not going to debate you i'm i i'm here to show you to my audience

and my audience is going to go, wow, this guy's really smart. And this guy spent, you know, hundreds and maybe thousands of hours developing the research and stuff on this book. I'm here to be enlightened and listen and learn. And hopefully my audience comes with the same degree of, of, uh, of, uh, you know, wanting to learn something new. So anyway, I had Ellis on, and we had a little bit of discussion about it. I said, dude, I'm not going to interrupt you, man. You just want to go. Let's talk about your ideas.

Tell me how it is. And he was great. In fact, there were some things that I wasn't debating with him, but I said, well, I think this, and he corrected me. And I was like, you know know you've given me a paradigm shift uh that was one of those things that i will always remember having a conversation with him where i did he he invoked a lot of paradigm shifts a lot of light bulbs went on in the conversation with him and i thought i had a pretty good i had a pretty good awareness of stuff he really woke me up so if you get a chance read this book from ellis coast, The Short Life and Curious Deaths of Free Speech in America, or read all of his other books or

and read all of his other books. How's that for fun? Next up, we had a very old friend of mine I've been friends with for a long time, Kara Golden or Kara Golden, Kara Golden. I forget exactly how I'm supposed to say her name. One of my problems is I had a girlfriend named Kara, and I believe it's Kara Golden. And that used to screw me up. Or maybe my girlfriend's name was Kara, not Kara. So I'm lost to that. My apologies to Kara if she hears this.

She wrote the book Undaunted, Overcoming Doubts and Doubters, founder and CEO of Hint Water. She tells the incredible story of how she started Hint Water, got the idea, all the different trials and tribulations they go through, and kind of an advice manual to CEOs and women on how they can be more successful. She's really brilliant. Funny thing about her, I think she wins the award and, and, and maybe also her friends, but we never really sat down and have like a conversation on Facebook.

Um, but she's known to me, I know her and we've kind of, you know, we bump elbows every now and then. And, uh, what's really funny about her is she is the full genuine 100% who she is when you see her as friendly, warm, and lovely. And most all my authors are, but she was hilarious. She came on and we, I think we talked for almost a half an hour or something. And finally I had to add, and this is in the green room talk pre-show. And we, you know, we're just wrapping on everything in life and her and business and, you know, just everything. And finally I had to, you know, this is another guest. I had to put my foot down and say, oh, you know, I love you and I love what we're doing here, but we got to put this on tape.

And so there's like probably there might be 40 minutes of the pre-show you know i finally had to ask her do you have a hard out because if you have a hard out i'm burning i'm burning time that i need to to do a show with you and get on tape um and she's like nah man we got all the time in the world she's just so fucking great and um i just impressed i think she's the one author I've spent the most time with. So we finally get the show going. There's probably a lot of stuff I need to go back in that first half an hour, 40 minutes, and see if there's some great business tips or other data we should put back into the show. And then we did the show.

The show was long. And then when we got done, I think we went for another fucking half an hour. I think it was like a two and a half hour show, technically or an appearance. But she was wonderful the whole time and just a joy to have on the show. And we talked each other's ears off and just lots of banter. You know, you meet CEOs and sometimes they're just like, boom, boom, boom. Okay, I come on here. Bye-bye.

Next. She was just lovely and sweet, and if you have ever assumed that about her, yeah, I would say you're right. And so she was fun to have on the show. People loved her book. She has a following in people that love the crap out of her. In fact, I think I talked to her getting onto TikTok. Hopefully she doesn't hate me for it, but she's doing a pretty good job over there.

We talked about TikTok and how they should use it for Hint Water and stuff, but a great show. Just a lot of fun with her. It was great, good stuff. Next up, Michelle Seller Tucker. She wrote the book Exit Rich. She really blew my mind. I'm sorry. Michelle Seller Tucker. She wrote the book Exit Rich. She really blew my mind. I'm sorry. Michelle Seiler Tucker, The 6P Method to Sell Your Business for a Huge Profit. She runs a buy and sell. Well,

she runs a lot of different things, but she wrote this great book on when you start a business, you want to prepare it for resale or sale. You want to prepare it for an exit, if you will. And so she wrote this book, and it was extraordinary. And discussions she had and how to buy business and sell business, really a respected business leader in her right. I probably never met any woman smarter when it comes to business, when it comes to reselling or selling or packaging an entrepreneur or doing stuff. she was literally like one of the people who should be on the shark show. You know, the, um, that, uh, that, uh, loan shark or it's not a loan shark, the loan shark show.

Uh, it's the, uh, what is it? Swim with the shark? No, it's not swim with the sharks. It's, it's the one show where the sharks and you go on and you pitch your business. She, she should be probably one of those people who was on there just an amazing guest overall next guest up we had strongman uh this is by ruth bengite uh she was uh she wrote strongman mostly to the present uh she also made our list of of books that should be your top books to read in 2020. She was one of two books.

One was Begin Again with Eddie Glaude Jr. And her book, Strongman, if you want to understand fascism, how fascism rises, how horrible it is, how monstrous it is, if you want to understand the sexism of the trump era and other fascist things um the the male toxicity oh my god she nails it all down ties it up together in a bow this is a book that i wanted written because i wanted to sit down after the end of the trump era and read about peniche uh duderte all these monsters that were out there and find out how similar they were on a personality profile to Donald Trump and how we can use that profile to keep us from here again. And she maps it out quite extraordinary and brilliantly in her book.

Pinochet, all the monsters in the world, Erdogan, the Hungarian president, where they recently fell on their democracy there. She does a brilliant, brilliant job. And I've been bragging on the book ever since. It's a must-read, I think, for every American because we cannot fall to fascism. And Silvio Berlusconi, she details highly in the book. Silvio is a lot like Trump. And what happened with Silvio is he did a lot of Trump stuff

and illegal stuff, and he was removed from office, and he came back for another term after he was removed from office. So when you get rid of these monsters, they can come back on you, so you need to watch out. Next up, we had Every Last Secret by A.R. Torrey. She has written a ton of books, and I guess this is kind of her side gig name. If you're familiar with A.R. Torrey, she's got, I think, three or four books under this side name. But then she has a main romantic novel, I think, business. And she's got tons and tons of books,

and you'll definitely want to check them out as well. So she was a delight to have on the show. Wonderful to talk about all the different ways she approaches novels and writing and everything else and some of her aspects of putting stuff together and just a brilliant, brilliant author. If you love her genres, go check her out and some of her other books uh next up what do we had we had uh making conversation with fred dust we actually recorded this several months ago and it was stuck in the can um until uh i think december 1st and uh fred dust has advised a lot of people, including Hillary Clinton, a lot of people in the government.

And he wrote this spectacular book that I've got to finish reading that talks about making conversation the art of it and agreeing to stuff. Like, okay, well, if we're going to debate a point, here are the ground rules. And basically making it so conversations don't end up so freaking toxic. And he maps that out in Making Conversations by Fred Dust. And it was really wonderful to have him on. Great energy, wonderful person. We just had a lot of fun, lots of jokes from what I remember of the thing, especially since I sat in the camp for about three months.

But he was a really great guy. If you get a chance, check out that show, especially if you maybe have Trumpers in your life or you have people in your life that you're trying to have conversations with, and it's hard. He talks about a great way to do it. Next up, we had Badass Habits with Jen Sincero. You are a badass.

How to cultivate the awareness boundaries and daily upgrades you need to make them stick. So she talks about her life and some of the challenges you would have and how she fixed them and coaching and everything else and how she set ways to set new habits down. Really great energetic discussion I had with her. Really fun author. And, wow, she kept it going and uh and learned some new things if you're looking to achieve some of those things in your life she can probably help you a long next up we had uh this is a great author and a friend of mine i should probably disclose uh kristin roshan uh she uh wrote the book the The Creative Discipline Project, her first book, and it's How Game-Changing Creatives Maximize Disciplines for Ultimate Success.

This is a great book that she has put out. I've got to get a copy of it so I can finish reading it. But having her on the discussion was just wonderful. She's a beautiful young woman, very stunning and brilliant, very driven. I just watched her do some wonderful things in Detroit with, I believe it was GM or Chevy, where she did a whole mess of Santa stuff and helped food banks and raised, I think,

money and food to give to needy families. I was just so impressed. And I think you will be too. Check out the episode that I had with Kristen and check out her book, The Creative Discipline Project. Next up, we had Juan Enriquez, right or wrong, how technology transforms our ethics. This is a challenging show. I'll be honest. I'd watched the videos with Juan and it was really hard to nail him down on what exactly he was proposing. He was putting forth a lot of data and evidence and some of it seemed to be, um, how would, how would you put it? Some of it seemed to

be, um, like it was blaming. And so I had a, I had a real challenge on my hand to unwrap what he meant in the book and what it, what it was intended for, at least in my interview. I think the book's probably more clear. And he's good at presenting the data, but then you're like, where does this mean and where does this go and how does it work? And he really did a great job. I think it turned into a great interview because I was really concerned about it going into the interview. Because I'd watched a few pre-interviews, and I'm like, I don't know if this is going to come out the other side the way it should. Or I might get into an argument with him.

Really warm, wonderful guy. I think I'm friends with him on Facebook. He never answers his messenger for some reason. But he's written several other books. This guy has written and spoken at ted talks he's not a dummy he's really freaking smart so uh i think we had him on the show we did a great job interviewing we did a great job defining what he was saying in the book and what he said in interviews and it came out the other side where we learned a lot so if you want to learn a lot

about right and wrong ethics and how technology is in there and some of the things that we need to address in the future. Check out his book. Next up, we had Fossil Men. This is by Kermit Pattison. This is his first book, and he spent like seven years putting it together. which is a 15-year journey for them, of how they found the oldest 4.4-year-old woman skeleton fossil in Ethiopia and the journey they have to go on to study this. And, you know, they're dealing with all sorts of wars in South Africa and tribalism and all that stuff. And it took them a lot of years to put it together and get all the scientific details

and, of course, all the fallout from the scientific community arguing over the nuances of it. The quest for the oldest skeleton in the origins of humankind. This is literally 4.4 million years old. And one of the oldest skeletons. It has some really incredible nuances to it as well. Prior to that, the oldest skeleton they've been found was 2.2 million years old. So you definitely want to

watch that show. He's some great insights to what took place there. Next up, we had the accomplished author Thomas E. Ricks. Winner of the Pulitzer Prize, he wrote the book First Principles What America's Founders Learned from the Greeks, Romans and How That Shaped Our Country. This is a really interesting thing. In

fact, he's friends with General Mattis, and I watched his first interview that he had with General Mattis doing the interviewing. It was pretty cool. That's calling in the military troops when you need them. And so he basically talks about how the Constitution was written and all of the different things that we did to form this union, this America. And a lot of it was based upon what the founders had learned from the Greeks, the Romans, and different things they studied. And it was quite extraordinary. It was just amazing. In fact, what was funny was at the time,

Donald Trump was complaining about the states having the election and how they were under control of it, and he couldn't override it at the federal government. We talked about how Madison actually designed it that way for the very purpose that Trump would not, that a federal system could not, no one could seize power through a federal system. The way it's designed, the states hold the power of the election and the control of the election so that no one can be at the federal level and be like, well, I'm just going to take control and do what I want.

Or I control the votes and the voting system. And I can say that you know i mean you saw it with what trump was going through where he's like georgia doesn't get to decide i get to decide and it's like no georgia does get inside and in each of the 50 states and this was done on a very purposeful way to save the country from a a monster like donald trump you have no idea how something just something that simple that was pre-thought out by someone 240 years ago who saw donald trump coming oh my god so we had this great discussion with thomas ricks i believe he's the author of a multitude of books he's written check those out as well uh coming down to the end here coming down the end we there. Uh, all the different people we had on the show and I think we've got three

more left, so let's see if we can get through these. And this is going to be a four of four series. So yeah. Um, the next person out on the show was Lindo Bacon, PhD. Uh, the book was Radical Belonging. And the interesting thing about Lindo is this person is a they-their person. So you don't subject them to a he or she. You refer to them as their or and likewise so they wrote this great book how to survive and thrive in an unjust world while transforming it for the better she told see there I fucked up they told the story of of how they went through their transformation their struggle with the sexuality and their parents trying to you know push a certain societal thing onto them. I'm a very open guy.

I understand LGBTQ pretty good. And so I had a great time having her on the show. Kind of a fun fact, when she started the show, she actually says this in the show, she was kind of having an awful day. Didn't really feel like doing a show, I guess. And she seemed to really be struggling. Like, we all are in COVID. I mean, we wake up and we're just like,

oh, God, I've got to get through this day. And I couldn't blame her. So I worked really hard to make her laugh and entertain her and try and bring her out and improve her day. And I won at the end. At the end, she paid me a wonderful compliment that I was honored by. And see, I'm using the she word day, Sam, bad, Chris, bad, bad hit, hit Chris with the

newspaper. Anyway, I loved having them on the show. Uh, I was honored to have them on the show. Um, and, uh, at the end they, um, told me, uh, that they, you know, we'd gone through the full you of where, uh, they had started out just having a bad day. And by the end felt really wonderful about it. And so I was really honored to take people on that journey if I can help. And it takes you to tango. So she did a great job to tell some great stories and, um, they had a great job and told some great stories. I need to work on my they, them, their stuff.

So anyway, you should probably watch the video so you can learn too about why this stuff is important. Human beings are important, whoever you are. As long as you're not espousing hate or engendering the destruction of other people, like I want to, you know, I don't like those people over there. So I want to destroy them. As long as you're not one of those people, um, your person filled with love, we can, uh, we need to support each other. So check out their book, radical belonging, uh, really interesting because you learn that they, their mechanisms and why that's important. I never really knew much about it until they came on the show and I was really honored and

highly recommend the book. Second to last too, this is the book and this is the second appearance. You know what, actually I skipped over this so we'll put the two of them together. We had Aaron James and Robert Hockett on the show. And the two of them wrote a book called Money from Nothing, or Why We Should Stop Worrying About Debt and Learn to Love the Federal Reserve. We also had Aaron James on his own on the book's Asshole, and a feature documentary uh from john walker they actually turned this his book into a feature documentary these guys wrote multiple books

between the two of them so the assholes book was pretty funny so was the movie if you get a chance watch the movie um but it does talk a lot about silvio berlusconi which we talked about earlier with the strongman book. And it talks about Trump and a lot of other things and why there's so many assholes in the world. It's kind of fun to watch because, you know, they take kind of a tongue-in-cheek sort of thing on assholes, but they do define it. In fact, one of the Monty Python comedians is in the show.

Just a really great show. The other show we had with robert on for the money from nothing and aaron james uh together uh was a fun show went really long especially after we shot the shit afterwards really great too too much of really great guys brilliant thinkers understanding uh cryptocurrencies money the Reserve, printing money, and historically on research, everything you can imagine. I had a fun time having them on. Really brilliant guests.

I learned a lot, and I think if you are a guest, you will too. Or not a guest, but a listener. There you go. I'm coming down. It's 11.45 p.m. at night, so if I seem a little wee-wee-wee, we're trying to get this in the can before the last day of the month so that you can download it and we can count it for the 2020 years. The last author that I'm going to have, and then I have kind of two mentions that I want to take and talk about. But the last author we had was just recently, a couple days ago, Fool's Aaron, Jeffrey S. Stevens, a novel. He came on the show fool's errand

novel uh he uh he's written several different books several different series some of an option for movies really great guy to talk to we didn't do video on the show we were both having some video issues and uh but you can listen to audio of course it's on the podcast but we had him on the show he's actually done so well as a book author. He's retired from his law practice. Did a lot of great things. A lot of great things. In fact, he helped Martha Stewart do some things when she came out of prison and rebuilt her kind of empire.

You'll hear the story of that as well. And we have a really great discussion about fathers and sons and finding meaning with that whole operation and everything else. So there's that. Check it out, Fool's Aaron and the multitude of other books that he had on. There's two honorable mentions that I have where they didn't appear to promote their books, but they're book authors. And they had a dramatic effect on me and an important effect on me throughout this year. One of them, Darlene McDonald, she appeared on the show, I think at least two times at

the very least. She's a good friend of mine on Facebook. I've become good friends with her since. Just a wonderful angel and a fighter and passion for doing what's right, politics and everything else. She's one of those Martin Luther King type people who go out and try and change the world and fight and whip stuff up. And, you know, you'll find her in a bullhorn at political events and things of that nature. But she's written, she came on the show to just talk about social issues,

and then she was running the Utah Democratic Party here in Utah. So I had her on initially for politics. What was interesting is somewhere during the end of the show, and I can't remember if it was on the show or in post, but I asked her, I says, well, you know, how do we do better with racism and Black Lives Matter? And she's like, I don't know. This isn't my problem.

This is your problem. She basically spun back the same thing that Eddie Glaude Jr. wrote about in his book Begin Again with James Baldwin, where James Baldwin said, your racism is not my problem. It's your problem. It's a white person problem. I don't have to. I shouldn't have to fix it or deal with it. This is something you have to fix in yourselves. And it had an impact on me and started a search for me when she had that conversation with me. What do I need to do to make better and do better and be a better person?

And so that kind of led me on the journey that we went for the year of all these different things. Anyway, she's the author of several different fiction books that you can check out. You can Google her name on her website and stuff. And I think two are still in print. I had to go ask her about them. She didn't come on the show to promote her books, but I wanted to throw her into the author column because she is an author and she did make two appearances on the show. And I was very honored to take in Haver as well. Uh, another gentleman we had on the show, uh, he, he came with, um, he came with, um, our author who wrote the book vital, a Torch for Your Social Justice Journey, Kyle S. Ashley. And this gentleman I've become friends with as well.

He's done a lot to open my mind to understanding a lot of different things about inclusivity. Dr. Lawrence Chatters. And he wrote a book that deals with being a parent, being a father, doing the right thing in that means. And he didn't come on to promote the book, but he did have two appearances, one with Kyle to talk about inclusion and different things of that nature. And then the second one, I just had him on because I'd seen him talking about this stuff. And he wrote the book Fathering Together. It's a compilation about fatherhood with daughters.

So you may want to check that out as well. But he didn't come on to promote his books, but he did make two appearances. I made friends with him. And some of his stuff, he's an inclusion officer at a famous university. I think he just moved, so I'm going to not guess which one it was. But he was on the show, did two appearances. Just want to plug his books out as an author as well. So that's it, guys.

That's a wrap. We got it down to four. I thought we were going to go to five, but we got it down to four parts of all the great authors we had on the Chris Voss Show and the brilliant intellectual minds and emotional roller coasters they took us on and taught us so much so i hope you will go back and listen to them all and engage them all and take advantage of them because you're going to learn so freaking much thanks for tuning in stay tuned this will probably be the last podcast of the year we'll go to uh probably uh january first we'll do an episode to get launched right. And

we've got a huge slate of incredible authors coming up in January and February and a CS show as well. So we'll be talking about that. So stay tuned, folks. Wear your mask, stay safe, listen to all these old episodes, pick out the books you want to read in 2021, and giving you some great insight and knowledge to pick through. So enjoy that as well. Thank you. Thanks for a great year. Thanks for all the downloads.

Thanks for all the interactions with the thing. We love you. We'll see you in 2021.