The Chris Voss Show - The Chris Voss Show Podcast – Path to Pet Wellness: The Holistic Vet’s Guide to Thriving Pets and Empowered Pet Parents by Jeff Feinman

Episode Date: June 30, 2025

Path to Pet Wellness: The Holistic Vet’s Guide to Thriving Pets and Empowered Pet Parents by Jeff Feinman Holisticactions.com/book-waitlist Path to Pet Wellness is an enlightening guide for pet ...parents seeking a spiritual connection with their beloved animal companions through a “whole-istic” approach to animal care. This informative guidebook introduces pet lovers to the concept that physical symptoms are more than just signs of illness—they are messages from the body, revealing the flow of energy and the deep connection to spirit. By focusing on optimizing BEAM (Behavior, Energy, Appetite, and Mood) and enhancing the overall quality of life, this guide encourages a shift away from limiting beliefs about symptoms, diseases, and diagnoses that often hinder happiness and health. Instead, it advocates for a more conscious, heart-centered approach to pet parenting, integrating the power of love as a healing energy. Path to Pet Wellness is part of the growing movement toward Animal-Centered Treatments (ACT), aiming to restore the spiritual essence to holistic veterinary medicine and empower pet guardians to nurture their animals with deeper awareness and compassion.

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Starting point is 00:00:33 Now, here's your host, Chris Voss. Hi, I'm Chris Voss here from thechrisvossshow.com. Hello. Hello. Hello. Ladies and gentlemen, I'm the chief of the mix an official welcome to the big show. As always, the Chris Foss Show is a family that loves you but doesn't judge you as least
Starting point is 00:00:49 not as harshly as the rest of the world because you're here trying to make yourself better, damn it. We're all here trying to make yourselves better, even me. I get a front row of these seats. I swear to God, I learned more from my wonderful guests, the brilliant minds we have on this show because number one, I'm half an idiot. Number two, you always got to be learning, growing, changing, developing, evolving. Cause if not, you're going to end up, uh, I don't know, just brain dead. And, uh, I've seen some of you folks on X.
Starting point is 00:01:16 So knock it off. Anyway, guys, uh, we had an amazing young man on the show. Uh, we'll get into his book and some of the insights that he has been in the meantime, we have to guilt and shame you to go to Goodreads.com, where it says Chris Voss, and Facebook.com, unfortunately, has Chris Voss. Let's see, Chris Voss won the TikTok and all those crazy places on the interwebs up in the sky edges, as they say. That's not what they say. Opinions expressed by guests on the podcast are solely their own and do not necessarily reflect the opinions of the host or the Chris Foss show. Some guests of the show may be
Starting point is 00:01:50 advertising on the podcast, but it is not an endorsement or review of any kind. Anyway, we have an amazing young man on the show. We're going to be talking to him about his excellent new book and some of the things he's doing to change the life of pets and animals. We have Dr. Jeff Feinman on the show with us today. His book is coming out next year, February 10th, twenty twenty-second or twenty twenty-six. Clearly, I'm just getting twenty twenty-two still. So, twenty-twenty-six, you can preorder it now. His book is entitled Path to Pet Wellness, A Holistic Vet's Guide to Thriving Pets and is entitled path to pet wellness, a holistic vet's
Starting point is 00:02:25 guide to thriving pets and empowered pet parents. Re-indicated and some of the other wonderful work that he does as well. And, uh, talk about how you can have your pet live a better life because that's what we're all after. And I'm sure we're going to share some wonderful stories about all the stuff that goes into it as well. Mr.
Starting point is 00:02:44 Uh, the doctor, go ahead and go ahead and let's see here. You are an innovative holistic veteran and founder of Holistic Actions. You're a 1985 dual degree graduate from the University of Pennsylvania and its first veteran university scholar. You combine your background in molecular biology with 40 years of experience in veterinary medicine, homeopathy, and energy healing. He specializes in empowering pet parents to work with symptoms rather than against them by simple, sustainable targets rooted in science, nature, and love. Welcome to the show. Dr. Feynman, how are you?
Starting point is 00:03:21 Hello, Chris. It's Jeff, please. So thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. And give us your dot coms. Where do you want people to get to know you better on the interwebs? Thank you for asking. And I only have one and that is holistic actions with mass.com. So H O L I S T I C A C T I O N S dot com.
Starting point is 00:03:50 So give us a 30,000 overview of what's in this new book. And then of course we have the website we're going to be talking about today where you help people with expert guidance on their, on their pets. Well, 30,000 foot view is that we're taught that we have to work against the body, against life, against the flow with the antis, antibiotics, anti-inflammatories,
Starting point is 00:04:20 or against holistic actions. It's all about the opposite, which is about working with the flow, going with the flow, going with love, energy. And that may actually be the biggest distinction is that energetic peace, because life is all about energy. We're alive because our cells have mitochondria, which produce the energy that we need to live. Learn about that stuff. And that's cool. We learn about symptoms.
Starting point is 00:04:53 We can learn about diseases. We learn about how to manage. It's not about managing. It's about transforming and transcending, which you the period pedophilia, are all ready to do and you can do. Pete Slauson And so, you have the book that's coming out next year. And so, I think a lot of people are, can order that up on Amazon, Path to Wellness, the Holistic Vets Guide. Tell us about this website you have,asticActions.com and the membership where people can
Starting point is 00:05:26 utilize I guess an online forum webinars resources discounts on products and monthly guidance with calls and stuff like that tell us about that sure Holastic Actions is actually the place people go to learn the framework that we talk about in the book, which is actually based on the energetic framework of homeopathy, Ayurveda, and just life, just observation of life. So what we do at Holistic Actions is help transform our pet parent community into empowered pet parents that know how to help their pets before they go to the vet. So when we're not trying to place a fat, we're just trying to augment what we learned in vet school, what the
Starting point is 00:06:23 vets are going to tell you ordinarily. Because when we go to the vet, we only get a little piece of the whole bigger picture. We don't get that 30,000 foot view. And do you find a lot of veterinarians? I mean, how long have you been a veterinarian? 40 years this year. 40 years. Wow. That's a long time. Good for you. Do you find that a lot of vets are into holistic medicine or holistic helping of dogs?
Starting point is 00:06:55 Is this something that is very popular among the vet community? That's a great question. And it's growing, but you know why it's growing? It's growing because the people like you, the consumer, the pet bear, are asking your vet questions about holistic medicine, about fresh food feeding, about homeopathy, about reiki and about things that things that don't know about. So that's why holistic actions is in existence is that those conventional that's, I don't know about these things work with their clients at holistic actions than all of our, all of our members have local that most of which
Starting point is 00:07:41 are just in is, is the membership that you guys are offering in the advisory, does it help empower consumers to be able to talk better with their vets to advocate better for their pets? That's a huge part of what we do. In fact, I don't have to include links in your show notes, but we have a link, an article is designed just for that. What, what to ask and what to look for. And yeah,
Starting point is 00:08:13 that that's really important. You know, I, I've had four dogs now, four Huskies, and I've learned with the veterinarians that you have to, you know, there were some cases where they had different things where, uh, I, I was taking the three different veterinarians to, to triple check, you know, what I was being told. And sometimes I was being told, you know, one thing by one vet, another thing by another vet and another thing by the third vet. And, uh, you know, you, you have to advocate for your animal.
Starting point is 00:08:42 It's just really important. What, what are, do you have any examples or stories maybe of, of people that you've seen where maybe they had a bad diagnosis or whatever, a misdiagnosis and, and holistic medicine was able to help them? Oh, my goodness. I have so many. Can you narrow it down? Do you want to?
Starting point is 00:09:02 Well, I mean, just, just one may becomes to mind that was kind of extraordinary or, you know, just Denny, really. Well, I might be able to help you if you, I'll tell you my story. My mind is like all over the place. I think perhaps, you know, the most common, cause you know, what happens a lot and the most common is an animal is diagnosed as being allergic to a particular food or a pollen or a flea or whatnot. And the problem is actually rather in the immune balance of the individual. And when that immune balance is addressed, the allergy goes away, resides
Starting point is 00:09:48 altogether. Yeah. And they become totally a hundred percent able to tolerate those allergens. And I'll give you a quick misdiagnosis, but it's human. It's myself. I mean, the way I discovered homeopathy is my lifelong allergies. I'm not silly. I have disease. I'm allergic to dogs and cats and horses and yeah.
Starting point is 00:10:12 Yeah. All that you're a vet. That's fed scabs on drugs. I was on medication the whole time. Yeah. I almost died, but no, not the story. But when I discovered this energy paradigm, I was on medications the whole time. Yeah, I almost died, but not the story. But when I discovered this energy paradigm,
Starting point is 00:10:30 decades after vet school, I started reading more and learning more about this. I started experimenting on myself. And when I did, my allergies went away. Oh really? Wow. And it's now been 40 years. I'm not on medications. You don't see, you know, the
Starting point is 00:10:52 make more out of my nose or eyes or sneezing and yeah, yeah. We'll go. Well, that's awesome. I'm glad you found a way to, to fix that. Was it diet? Was it a holistic sort of diet that you needed? You need to change some of the things you're putting into your body? Was that, was that an aspect of it?
Starting point is 00:11:07 That was part, that was part of it for sure. But it was mainly homeopathy. Homeopathy is a way of working with the clues that the body gives. So symptoms are clues that the body gives you that something's wrong and you can use those symptoms homeopathically. the body gives those symptoms are clues that the body gives you that something's wrong. And you can use those symptoms homeopathically.
Starting point is 00:11:31 By definition homeopathic is working with pathology, working with the symptoms versus you know, and path here, allopathy, which is what we learned about in, in vet school. Mm-hmm. And so you were able to transpose that data that you learned from healing your allergens to helping pets holistically. Is that correct? That is correct. When I realized that, you know, that my allergies were gone and my beam was improving,
Starting point is 00:12:08 we can talk about what that means. But when I learned about that in spring, by fall I was in the professional course given by Dr. Richard Pitkin, who was one of the pioneers of holistic medicine. And I never looked back. That was about 26 years ago. And I never looked back since then. My only my only mission in life is just to inform people
Starting point is 00:12:37 that there is a way that works together with what we learn in vet school. But it goes above and beyond what we learn in vet school, but it goes above and beyond what we learn in vet school, what you're going to hear from most and many, many veterinarians. Pete Slauson Oh, you know, I have a few stories myself from my dogs. One, my dog one time had stopped eating and she was drinking like a fish. So she had, you know, the cancer was trying to calcify her blood and destroy her organs. And, uh, I, there was a small bump on the, on the back of her,
Starting point is 00:13:13 her butt and, uh, they're huskies. So they, you know, they run around with their tails curled up. So you have to look at their butts all day. I think they're trying to send a message that they hate me. Uh, anyway, so, just moody me all day. So I took her into the vet and the vet, uh, went in there and, and, uh, he's like, your dog's got a lot of polyps inside of her. There was one kind of growing on the outside.
Starting point is 00:13:34 I didn't realize what it was. It was small at the time. And she goes, she has anal sac cancer and, uh, she stopped eating because that's what dogs do when they, in the wild, they stop eating, they go dig a hole away from the tribe and they starve and pass away. And he goes, so what I want you to do is bring your dog back in three days and we'll call it. Go spend three quality days with your dog and take some pictures and stuff, you know, that rap.
Starting point is 00:14:02 And I was destroyed. So I went home and short story I basically realized it kind of came to me as epiphany that like if she has a three-day death sentence maybe there's something I can do I don't know what it is but I'm gonna try I'm gonna try I don't I don't know you know but I'm gonna try so I got on the internet and started Googling stuff. And fairly quickly, I found a guy whose dog had had cancer and he put the dog on a raw diet, what they call a raw diet, which is high fat, no sugar diet. And there's so much sugar in their foods and these stupid treats we give them and just crap when it really comes down to it.
Starting point is 00:14:41 And so he put dogs and he was helping other dogs. He put them on a high fat diet and cut off all the sugar and they would live and they would, he would extend their lives. And so I talked to some friends, I talked to some people and, uh, you know, a couple people like, I don't know, Chris, you know, and I'm like, she's already got a death. She's already gonna die in three days with which are the veg wants. I mean, what do I have to lose? What does she have to lose? She's got life, she's won the lottery in the universe. You know, who am I to take that away from her? So, she had stopped eating, wasn't eating at all. And so, he recommended taking, giving her either the highest fat meat you could do, which is sardines or the high fat 27% hamburger roll that you can get that girl's hamburger roll at the store.
Starting point is 00:15:33 And so I started feeding her that and she suddenly started eating like a pig. Like she would eat just like there was no tomorrow. I'm like, well, this is an interesting sign. And so I called the doctor after three days and I go, you know, she's eating again. We're eating this meat He goes all you're gonna you're gonna kill her liver and her kidney. You're gonna wipe out what's left of her calcified Organs, you're gonna kill your dog faster. She's gonna be tortured by you know having all that fat and her organs aren't up to par and
Starting point is 00:16:07 you're just gonna make you you're just making things miserable for your dog come on man and I said to him I said well I don't know we're gonna see how far this goes we're now this rabbit hole because she's eating now and so she lived on a raw diet and ate like a pig, high fat, raw meat for a year and three quarters and we would take her in and the doctors were shocked every time she was still alive and they're like, we, every time you come in, we think you're going to bring in an emaciated dog that we got to make the final call on because she, you know, she's not eating or she's riddled with cancer. And the cancer did grow on her anal sac. I had to look at that, unfortunately, but she lived a year and a half.
Starting point is 00:16:53 And the only thing that really killed her in the end was the combination of, of the anal sac cancer and arthritis. The last three days she couldn't get up off the floor and was dragging around. And, and she and she lived 16 years So we got a lot of mileage out of a husky But she lived her best life for a year and a half living on high on the hog eating like a queen and Was bouncy and happy and you know other than being tired old and having cancer
Starting point is 00:17:20 I mean she had a she had a pretty good end life and you know, that's an example of just advocating for your dog. I'll let you build off that. That is, I mean, that's a great, great example. And that's exactly why, um, you need to be an advocate for your dog because you know your dog or cat or any animal, you know them the best, better than any veterinarian will do. And I will just have to say, Chris, that your example is actually so we see a lot. Wow. We see that a lot. And what you did inadvertently was,
Starting point is 00:18:02 you know, if you remember at the beginning, I mentioned that it's all about energy, it's really all about, you know, mitochondrial function. And that is what optimizes the body's ability to rebalance. What you did inadvertently, if you raise that mitochondrial function in two ways, one is by increasing the energy or vitality of the diet. Because Swami diet is the highest vitality diet that you can find. You know, fresh food is great, but raw food is even better. But compared to commercial processed food, Any fresh food will work. But the other thing you did, which may be more important is you made her happy.
Starting point is 00:18:51 happiness, sense of purpose. I mean, why, why do dogs too well, they, They live for three reasons. They live to eat, play and love. And eating is a big one. And those three factors, to eat, play and love are the three things that you can do today to upgrade their mitochondrial function and get them to stop vomiting, stop You know, cancer just blows my mind every day to know how much. That's awesome, man. That's awesome. You know, another, another example was, uh, and I had been taking her to three different doctors, my same dog, she had, she had a, what was it?
Starting point is 00:19:39 Oh, she underneath her throat here, she had like this bump that started getting bigger. And I took her to two doctors and they go, uh, I'm going to go to the doctor. She had, she had a, what was it? Oh, she underneath her throat here, she had like this bump that started getting bigger and I took her to two doctors and they go, uh, it's cancer. They go, look, your dog's 14 years old. She's, you know, she's a Husky, you know, you're in the bonus zone, dude. She's old. Don't fuck with her. Don't, don't cut her open.
Starting point is 00:20:01 Don't, don't do surgery on her. Just put her down and call the ball and I had two doctors telling me to call the ball on it and They they were like, you know, we could spend a lot of money on x-rays, but it's likely cancer given her age There's you know, you're just making things miserable for her because we're gonna have to knock her out drug her, you know She's She's 14. One guy just literally said to me, he goes, he goes, look, dude, you got 14 years out of this dog. He goes, what do you want, man?
Starting point is 00:20:31 He goes, you wanna make it suffer? He's a real asshole. And I told him, I was like, well, I don't know. Well, I had a third doctor, and this is the funny thing about homeopathy, homopathy, homeopathy. I had this doctor in California, this vet, and he was from China and he had the worst bedside manner, the worst communication you could ever have. But everybody in town used him because he was good. And he would just he was wild as shit. He go in like I take my dog in.
Starting point is 00:21:09 He go like, OK, walk her around the the lobby. And he had a big lobby. And I'd be like, what? And I go, yeah, walk her along the lobby. I want to see her walk and stuff. And I'd be like, what the fuck? Don't you take her in the back and do whatever you do back there. And he'd be like, no, I want to see, I want to see how she walks and stuff.
Starting point is 00:21:28 He was like, really? This dude was like really into homeopathy and turns out, uh, and I used them for a bunch of different things. She got a few different sys. Um, and, uh, this sys that she, this, this growing thing that she's sister, whatever that she had underneath her chin, he kept telling me he's like, no, just wait. He was the thing. I know what it is.
Starting point is 00:21:48 Just wait. I'm like, what the fuck, dude? You don't want it. Like I got two doctors telling me to put her down. I got you telling me to wait and then everything's gonna be fine. And you know, he was really, really bad with English. You want to choke him half the time because he was such an asshole. He came across as such an asshole, but like even on Yelp, they would write,
Starting point is 00:22:08 look, he comes across as an asshole, but just go with it. Just trust him. And I want to punch this guy in the face half the time because he was just, he had the worst bedside manner and he was just, he would just so sharply tell you stuff that you'd just be like, what the fuck, dude? You couldn't lighten that up. And, uh, so two doctors telling me to kill her, one doctor telling me to wait. And so I waited and I waited and I waited. And the day before Christmas, I woke up to this blood and it was pushing out.
Starting point is 00:22:41 It was starting to push out her teeth. This, this thing that was coming in right here. And I, and she comes to me and I was, remember being in bed and she's standing above me and she's bleeding out the side of her mouth. And so I'm like, Oh, fuck. All right. We're, we're going to call it. We're going to put her down.
Starting point is 00:22:58 All right. This is enough of this. We're done. So I take her into that doc and he goes, Oh, this is great. What the fuck she's been, she's just bled and it looks like it exploded out the side of her face. They did not really exploded, but you know, there was a hole there. And he goes, no, this is great.
Starting point is 00:23:16 He goes, what she had was she had just what I thought she had. She had this weird thing where bacteria or cysts had grown between the organs. Oh, that was the other thing. It wasn't responding to penicillin or any other drugs. And the reason it wasn't is because it was this weird thing that can grow between your organs. And so it's not connected to anything. So it doesn't have, it doesn't have the ability for like penicillin
Starting point is 00:23:43 and shit to get to it. And so what this thing did is it grew out the side of her face. And once it exploded, oxygen was able to get in there. And then of course, you know, we could, we could give her stuff to kill it and, and, and clean up all the stuff. But that's all it was. It was just assisted grown between the organs and no one had thought of it. But this, this back, back alley Chinese vet.
Starting point is 00:24:07 So that's another example of, you know, you've got to advocate for your dogs and animals and stuff. Yeah. And that, that, that's the, the empowering part, you know, that empowering part of what we do and what the book is about. that empowering part of what we do and what the book is about. Because you are knowing that there's more to life than what we're being told by one vet or two vets or you know you'll read a story in the book. I think that she saw like a dozen different veterinarians and it's all second opinions. When what you needed and what you got was a different opinion.
Starting point is 00:24:51 And that different opinion is based on a different interpretation of the same facts that that different opinion, that different interpretation is based on the fact that life is energy. Life is not just about organ function or calcium levels. So yeah, that all that stuff is great, but it's all secondary. It's all secondary about energy. I remember years ago, I gave a talk at a vet school in California and it was called, it's all about energy. And you know, these fed students are like,
Starting point is 00:25:35 really? I mean, we're not taught that, but, but there were more holistically minded and able to run with the ideas. minded and able to run with the ideals. Pete Hmm. That's interesting. So, with your book and stuff, what you're doing is you're helping people advocate for their things, you know, knowing what to ask your doctor is really important because, you know, it's overwhelming. You go to see a vet, you trust that they're a doctor who knows what they're doing and most vets do. They've,ets do. They've gone to school for a lot of years. But sometimes what I've found is they're kind of locked into that non-holistic sort of throw drugs at it, and if drugs don't work, give her the three-day death sentence and let's keep on trucking.
Starting point is 00:26:21 And I've had vets argue with me. They're like, you know, this is the dumbest thing ever. And since Abby, who is my dog, who survived all those years, uh, with cancer for 1.75 years, I've helped so many dogs, like I've had, I've had friends that had their dogs and their dogs had pretty much liver failure, kidney failure, organ failure. They're pretty much dead. And the doctors, you know, I told them, I said, give her the raw diet. And they would go to the doctors and go,
Starting point is 00:26:49 Chris says I should give my dog the raw diet. And they're like, you're gonna kill her. That's the fat is gonna overwhelm the kidneys and livers. And I've literally using that raw diets, there's nothing complicated about it other than just high fat, no sugar. And I've saved so many dogs with that data. I mean, there were dogs that were pretty much dead with their organ failure. They came back to life with, you know, putting them on a high fat
Starting point is 00:27:17 diet, feeding them food that they would eat in the wild. And of course, like you talk about that, mitochondria. Yeah, real food is where it's at. Real food. We know that as humans, the more processed food that we eat, the sicker that we get. So just stick with the fresh food. Now tell us more about how this membership works. You got an online forum, they can sign up, there's a cost to it, but they get weekly webinars, they can get questions answered in a members forum, hundreds of hours of educational videos, insightful ebooks, and all this data.
Starting point is 00:28:03 What do you hope to achieve with this and what will people come away with? Well, what we hope to achieve is we hope to disrupt the overwhelm of anxiety that operates in the pet community and the animal community, in the animal community, and disrupt that by instilling an intuitive wisdom that we all really know and we're all able to enact. What we do at A.J. is give you resources that reframe every organ system,
Starting point is 00:28:43 every disease you possibly could ask about in our references, in our resources. So you can go there. There are again, I said hundreds of hours of videos, webinars and whatnot, text based, text documents about the microbiome, about this and that. and some about the microbiome about this and that. If you want to go beyond that, you can ask any question on our forum. You get one on one guidance on what's called the holistic medical decision making call once a month if you want. And yeah, we have webinars with holistic leaders from around the country, around the world on Mondays.
Starting point is 00:29:28 Pete Slauson Oh, wow. On Mondays, you guys bring those people in. And so, you're building this up. You've got the book that will be coming out that will be a companion, I suppose, to some of this. And, you know, certainly, I imagine your goal is to try and reach more people than you otherwise would with, uh, just a veterinary clinic in a city. Is that a good assessment? You hit the nail on the head after 30 years of doing this one-on-one story that begins
Starting point is 00:29:58 the book. You know, I, I realized that there's gotta be a lot more, but you gotta get the word out to Everyone in the world. I mean every I mean, I don't care if you use the techniques that we talk about But what I do care a lot about deeply care about is that? Everyone knows there's another way That's a way that works with life instead of against it. Pete Slauson Work with life instead of against it. And you know, diet, how important, you know, I've kind of talked about diet and how important
Starting point is 00:30:34 it is. And you know, you talked about it with allergies, changing of diet. I know that sometimes my dogs had a, you know, they were getting an allergic reaction where they were, I think they lick themselves, they were getting an allergic reaction where they were, I think they lick themselves, they'll lick a part of their paw raw or something when they're having an allergic reaction to stuff. And a lot of it was just changing dog food. You know, it's some of the cheaper dog foods, like never buy dog food in a store, a grocery
Starting point is 00:31:01 store. The, you know, it was basically uh, you know, it was, it was basically changing, you know, sometimes wheat, I think, I think it's wheat or oats or something that sometimes in dog food can be an allergen. Is that correct? You're the pro here. Anything can be an allergen actually. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:31:18 So yeah, more processed and the more further from nature, the diet is and dog food is about as far as you get from nature. Yeah, things become allergenic because it's not even about what they eat. It's about their immune balance. If they're eating the stuff that triggers their immune system, they that allergic symptoms and yeah you can have symptoms like flicking of the paw or recurrent ear infections or scratching and yeah when all that can be resolved by often by diet about 80 percent of the diarrhea is that are food related and the skin things are things I can that are food-related and the skin things are things I can I can improve just by by diet. Oh, it's interesting to me, you know, like dogs are basically just like us, you know,
Starting point is 00:32:13 if we put shit in our bodies, if you put bad chemicals, you know, alcohol drugs or, you know, probably processed foods like you can, you know, we've seen higher rates of cancer and higher rates of disease as humans. Well, dogs are just the same way, right? It's, or pets are the same way, you know, they're, they're susceptible to, you know, they're, they're used to the reason the raw diet works, uh, in giving them high fat, all meat diets is really simple. That's how they eat in the wild. That's how they consume food in the wild. There's no secret to it. It's, you know, I mean, I see these people that are always like, I give my dog carrots and beans and peas.
Starting point is 00:32:53 And I've even seen people that painfully try and turn their dog into a vegan dog. And it's like, that's not that dog's natural diet in the, in the wild. That's not, they's not that natural diet in the, in the wild. That's freaking eating carrots and shit. Do you, do you ever see wolves hunting carrots? It's not a thing.
Starting point is 00:33:17 You know, they're not out there going, if I could just get some salad here, rabbits do that, not, not dogs. So I don't know if you want to expand on that. Well, my, my own, we rescued her dog, um, in Canada, and if I can do this play, we rescued this adorable dog in November and she's chopping on her raw meaty bone and raw meaty bones are a way not only to feed them, but keep them from getting any dental problems. You know, you've never seen a wolf in the wild need a dentistry. Because they are tearing me, eating the bones, I'm doing things that our dogs and cats that are in our, our,
Starting point is 00:34:08 our homes are not used to doing them. I just spoke with parents this morning, this four year old kitty cat, going in for a tent and extractions and blah, blah, blah. And what did I recommend is maybe before you do that, try giving raw chicken necks. When you hold the raw chicken neck for cat eat, if they're actually brushing and cleaning their own teeth and waiting their own teeth. And that's what Maya is doing with the raw bone. Right. raw bone right now. Oh, no. There actually is a veterinarian in Australia named Tom Lonsdale wrote a book called Raw
Starting point is 00:34:49 Meaty Bones or Give Your Dog a Bone. Well, that's a different book actually, but for me, the bones or it's a miracle of, you know, feeding these bones. And he's got a lot of documentation there on the rawmeatybones.com website. So as we go out, we've covered a whole lot of things. Do we need to do any more plugging of data for path to wellness or I'm sorry, path to pet wellness, your upcoming book or any of the other stuff that you have going on that you're offering to people right now.
Starting point is 00:35:25 Well, I appreciate that. And you know, the big thing I think is that we'll be having a pre-order sale where people can actually grab the ebook and a lot of bonuses probably by late summer. Although the book itself won't be in the bookstores till Valentine's day. Um, or right before, uh, this September, you'll be able to grab all the bonuses, the ebook and whatnot. So watch for that.
Starting point is 00:35:59 Anyone that's on a wait list right now, we'll be able to do that right away. And then you offer a 30 day guarantee with the, uh, money back guarantee with the, uh, holistic membership, holistic actions.com membership. Uh, I really liked the idea because sometimes, you know, you have, you have questions about what's going on. And, and I really encourage you folks to advocate for your dog. One of the things I see over the years, and I give counsel to a lot of dogs because people saw what
Starting point is 00:36:29 Abby did where she lived a year and a half. And then there was the other story with the cyst. And, you know, I'll, I'll give them a way out. And I remember, I remember the one time, one time I took Abby in and I thought she was, she was really struggling. She was about halfway through that year and three quarters and she was really struggling to walk. And so the summation I made was, you know, she had this almost golf ball size cancer
Starting point is 00:36:51 that was on her anal sac. I could see on the right and it was growing. And so my assessment was her back legs are giving out. She's struggling to move because that cancer is all in there. Right. So my assessment was her back legs are giving out, she's struggling to move because that cancer is all in there, right? And so I, you know, after a few days of her struggling to walk and get up, I finally went, I told my only friends, I go, I think this is it.
Starting point is 00:37:17 You know, I think the cancer has spread to her legs and it's probably time to call it. So I scheduled a time to put her down and And I went in and I filled out the paperwork, I paid the money to have her put down. And you know, I said to him, you know, and she was still eating, she was still doing good, but she couldn't walk, she was collapsing. And the doctor said, hey, do you, I know you paid to have her put down, but do you, can we look at her? Cause we think that it's something else. And I go, by all means, Jesus, please, you know, go look at her. And I really should have scheduled that. But you know, I was, I was kind of in this dark zone that, you know, people that make assumptions put you in and, you know,
Starting point is 00:38:03 I've been fighting with the doctors for a year and three quarters. They were just always just shocked. And, and, uh, so they came back to me and they go, we're pretty sure it's arthritis. She has really bad arthritis. She's, you know, she's, she was 14 or 15 by then. And, and we don't think the cancer spread to her legs. We think it's just growing and we can see it. And other than that, she seems to be, I mean, they're like, does she come running
Starting point is 00:38:31 for treats? Yeah. Does she eat like a pig? Yeah. She drinking water like a pig. Yeah. So we're still doing that. Oh, that was the other thing. The, the, the drinking water is subsided once we started giving her the raw diet. It had, you know, the one thing I guess people talk about on this, I don't know if it's factual, don't start a cult, please folks, but cancer doesn't like fat evidently. It loves sugar, which kind of explains why everybody's got sugar, cancer nowadays. Her, the blood, the blood calcium levels that her pituitary glands was being forced by the cancer to try and kill off her liver and kidney had evened out, probably because of the fat that was in her blood or
Starting point is 00:39:09 I don't know what it was, but somehow she started living. So anyway, here I was ready to put her down. I remember the guy said to me, he goes, listen, he was like, get what you're going through. You're going through hard times with his dog. And he goes, but I'm telling you, she's not ready to go. But if you're ready to have her go, we can put her down. And it was like, Jesus, what a thing to put on me. And I was like, I was like, wow, there are sometimes where people can't handle this shit, and they just quit on their animals. And that's fine. I don't mean to pass judgment or shame on anybody. You know, this is your journey and your dog's journey. But I saw so many people that would
Starting point is 00:39:54 just be like, I don't want to try the raw diet, Chris. I just, I'm just, I'm done with this. I can handle it. I'm going to put her down. The doc says what they say. And so I love the fact that you're giving people resources, you're giving people the ability to advocate, you're giving the people to look for answers as opposed to just maybe taking the first voice they get and calling the ball. Thank you because that is just so important and like you said, you know a little while ago where there's life this hope and that the universe gave Living being the the greatest gift and that is you know life and energy We have ways of working with that So final thoughts as we go out for people to order out the book get to know you better
Starting point is 00:40:41 Uh all that sort of good stuff out the book, get to know you better, uh, all that sort of good stuff. Well, that's, that's a whole other podcast, Chris. Give me the final thoughts and pitch out this, uh, go buy the book and all that stuff. Final thought really is that it's all about love. There were four labs in Liverpool that told us the truth, you know, all you need is love. Love is the powerful energy and it's going to help you advocate, it's going to help transform behavior, it's going to help you bond closer, it's going to just takes everything. All you need is some love there.
Starting point is 00:41:27 Gosh, Nernik. So, and we all love our animals. They're just wonderful pets. So thank you very much for coming to the show and thank you for your journey and sharing it and thank you for helping educate. I mean, I've gone head to head with so many doctors. I mean, I had one doctor tell me that giving my husky, and you know my husky's a good size, giving her bones was going to kill her.
Starting point is 00:41:47 He's like, no, I don't eat bones. I pull out of dogs that are stuck in their stomach. You're going to kill her. And I'm like, I don't know, maybe a chihuahua, but this is a full-size husky. I think she's going to be okay with a bone. And so, you know, I've heard all sorts of weird shit from veterinarians over the years and moving around with my dogs where we're constantly at different vets. So I love the idea of what you're doing and, and getting people to advocate for
Starting point is 00:42:10 their dogs, because it is, I think what I started to say, it's daunting when you go into a, a veteran's office because you know, you know, they're the pros. You don't know what you're doing and all that good stuff. So yeah, you know, there it is. Uh, anyway, thank you very much for coming on. We really appreciate it. Give us your dot coms as we go out for the final stuff that people need to know. Holistic actions.com, www.holisticactions.com. And that's it.
Starting point is 00:42:41 Well, thank you very much for coming to the show. Thanks to me on it for tuning in order. The book where refined books are sold out there. Path to Pet Wellness, the Holistic Vet's Guide to Thriving Pets and Empowered Pet Parents. And please folks, advocate for your things. Don't quit. I know sometimes it can seem overwhelming. I know it can seem a lot of work, but sometimes it's just as simple as diet.
Starting point is 00:43:03 Like it's really just that simple sometimes. And please don't feed your dog grocery store food or the cheap food, that garbage food. Let, you know, treat your dog's diet like the same thing you put in your body. And of course, some of you go to McDonald's, so I'm not sure that I'm giving you, I don't mean that, but you know, treat your body like a temple and treat your dog's body like a temple. Feed it good, wh's body like a temple feed it good Wholesome quality foods and feed it stuff that it would eat in the wild this bullshit of making your dog vegetarian Give me a break. I don't know. I don't want your thoughts run and talk But I just like it dogs are hunting celery in the wild. I don't think I've never seen that on the nature shows
Starting point is 00:43:42 There you guys. Thanks for tuning in. Go to Goodrease.com, Fortress, Chris Foss, LinkedIn.com for Chris Foss. Do you have any final thoughts doc on that celery comment? Oh, well, in my mind it's very simple. I mean, you can have a vegan dog, but to me a favor, before you do that, offer them celery on one hand and raw meat in another. If they choose celery, then make them a vegan. Okay. They may be. They have to drive a Subaru too. Uh, the dog drives a Subaru that could probably give them a vegan thing. Anyway, I'm wearing Birkenstocks, right? Birkenstocks. Oh geez. I'm going to get letters. Anyway,
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