The Chris Voss Show - The Chris Voss Show Podcast – Pharmacology For Babies by Amanda Mullins

Episode Date: February 9, 2026

Pharmacology For Babies by Amanda Mullins https://www.amazon.com/Pharmacology-Babies-Amanda-Mullins/dp/B0BM3DD9LM Understanding basic pharmacology is important for the safe use of medicines. Receptors, agonists, and antagonists are all important parts of how medicines work in our bodies. Pharmacists go to school to learn about medicines and how they interact and change our body’s processes.

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She is the author of the book that came out October 21st, 2022, called Pharmacology for Babies. Because as we all know, these darn babies are getting out of hand. They need more pharmacology or something. I don't know. But we're going to find out what it means. So we're going to get into with her and all that good stuff. And I'm sure babies are good people. They just need some pharmacology, as our author puts it.

So we'll get into it with her, find out all the details, as it were, and all that good stuff. Dr. Mandy Mullins is a clinical pharmacist practitioner in pain management and opioid safety at the Department of Veteran Affairs. and a junk facility at the Southern Illinois University Edwardsville School of Pharmacy. She graduated from S-I-U-E School of Pharmacy in 2016. They have a great football program over there too, by the way. Then completed a P-G-Y-1 and a P-G-Y-2, pharmacy, residency, specializing pain management, and palliative care.

She serves as an immediate past president for the Society of Pain and palliative. I'm not sure from Brown and saying that right. Palliative care pharmacist and co-authors, the pain management chapter in D-Pro's pharmacology textbook. Welcome to the show. How are you, doctor? I am wonderful.

Thank you. You did a great job. Did I get close on the palliative, palliative, palliative. I think I was, that's what I was trying to do in my brain. Clearly I didn't go to any of these schools. and let's see, you're the past president of the Society of Pain. Do you know my ex-girlfriends? No, I'm just kidding.

I had to do that. So anyway, they're wonderful. They were on wonderful gals. So give us dot-coms. Where do you want people to find you on the interwebs? So the easiest is my LinkedIn. So I am on LinkedIn. Other than that, you know, the book itself is available on Amazon at Barnes & Noble

and then also as an audio book at or on iTunes and Google Play. And I think we got a VA disclaimer and stuff we want to get in here. You know it. So you did mention in my bio that I do work for the VA and also as faculty at the one school pharmacy. So anything, I just have to say anything that I do say today is, you know, my viewpoint, my viewpoint alone and not representative of the sort of this. My disclaimer is I have 20 personalities and just anyone is. that comes up is what you're going to have to deal with. Not you personally, just the audience, Doc.

Do you want me to call you a doctor during the show or Mandy? Oh, just Mandy is perfect. Well, I'm not going to ask you then if this is infected or not. That's my favorite doctor joke. Is this infected? Anyway. So, Mandy, give us a 30,000 over you. What's inside your book?

Pharmacology for babies. Yes, so pharmacology for babies is just about the most basic pharmacology lesson that you can learn. It's pretty much day one of, you know, when you walk into pharmacy school, it's the first thing that you learn and it's pretty much the basis that you have to understand to really, you know, make it today too of pharmacy school and to continue onwards and practice as a pharmacist. Pretty simple concepts, you know, to us as pharmacists, but I think helpful for other people, you know, that didn't go through the schooling just to understand. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So who is the book targeted towards?

Well, you know, it was targeted towards babies, if you will, right? In the name. But also a lesson just for parents reading that book, really anyone that wants that basic understanding. I'm going to give it to babies. You know, like, you need to read this book and they're going to and I'm like, you got to get your pharmacology under control, buddy. That's right. That's right.

It's important. Now, what is the definition of pharmacology for those of, of us who flunk second grade like B. If that was taught in second grade, then I went to the wrong school. But our ecology in general, you know, the basic, basic overview that I can give is, you know, what's happening when we're putting stuff in our bodies, right? Medications, namely. But how are those actually working?

What are they doing? What's our different, you know, all of the different pathways that we have inside of our bodies, right? There's millions of them. How are those working and how are our medications affecting those? There's millions of pathways in my body. Did they have street signs and stuff? What's going on there? No, they probably do.

It'll be a whole other world. That's probably, yeah, we were joking about that 170s movie earlier, where the guy should get shrunk down and goes into a body. So pharmacology, scientific study of drugs and how they interact with living organisms or organisms. The orgasms are probably a different thing. That's probably not pharmacology. That's probably only fans. but I don't know what I'm going on about.

Now, you said it's stuff you put in your body. Is pharmacology also cover pizza and tacos? You know, you know, yeah, I'm sure there's some overlap with some feel-good stuff, you know, that happens from taking some drugs and taking some or eating some pizza. A mix of a little vodka and you got yourself a Friday night. No, I'm just saying, don't do that, folks. So pharmacology, why is this important for babies? why do they teach you guys in school the babies part first?

Why do they do that? Is there a process reason for that? Yeah, well, you know, we got to start somewhere, right? Oh, y'all do start as babies. Hit them early, yeah, hit them early. Get them interested early, right? Yeah. I think you should make a book for the womb.

That way they can spend those nine months learning and reading some crap. Yeah, that would come out. They're not just drooling all of themselves. They like it. They'll have a spectacle. and a cane and talking English language stuff. That would be good. I like it.

Maybe you could, that way you can negotiate with them over the diapers part. Don't poop your pants, okay? Can we just have that arrangement? Those are the kind of babies, not like. Get them some higher reasoning skills. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I like them when they come out of the womb that way too.

That way they're just, they're just ready to go. You can put them to work like within six months. So pharmacology, why is it important for people to understand this? What do you hope people come away when they read your book? better understanding of how to how drugs work? Yeah. I, you know, I think it's, I think there's a couple different things.

I think one, absolutely, you know, having the basic understanding of what happens. I mean, even, you know, it's not just prescription medications, right? We have all of our over-the-counter things that are available. We have supplements that are huge right now that people are taking. I mean, all of that goes into your body and is working throughout all of these different pathways that I mentioned. So just understanding that the potential is there for interactions, right? And they're all doing different things to our body, whether it's, again, prescription versus

something that you have in your medicine cabinet at home. And then the other part of it is just also understanding, you know, when you run into your pharmacist, right, out in the community or wherever you're running into your pharmacist, the things that are going through their mind, you know, when maybe you're standing in line at the pharmacy. and a little frustrated, right? But we're thinking about all of these different things, you know, that could go wrong and making sure that we're being as safe as possible. So maybe it can help you advocate for yourself in the medical field.

You know, that's one thing patients seem to need a lot of that we talk about is they need to advocate, the need to advocate for themselves and make sure that they're... And I can tell you that as garmacist, we are not good in advocacy. For ourselves. For the patients, absolutely. But like for what we do, background. There you do. Yeah, so, you know, you do have to advocate for yourself in the medical

field, especially with doctors, I think. If you're doing, you know, doctors, surgery, stuff like that, you really have to advocate for yourself and, you know, make sure you understand what's going on and what they're doing. I remember, I remember I went in for a hernia surgery and I had two hernias. They were operating on one and they were going to do the groin in inaugural or whatever. The groin one first and the doc came in and it was it was the one I needed fix first and the doc came in and he was like okay we're into your belly button this way and I was like whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa I realize you're the doctor but it's the groin we don't we don't do the belly button because that's not as immediate and he's like oh yeah yeah yeah so you got to you got to speak up and advocate for yourself

you know and I was like also just disclosure leave all the other parts here nothing is to be amputated just the hernia. Yeah, just you can amputate the hernia or whatever it was you guys doing there, but leave everything there. But yeah, it was kind of alarming when he did it because if I hadn't spoken up, he would have done my belly button and the more emergency situation was my inaugural. So I would have to wait three months to get that fixed and that was not going to happen. So, yeah, I mean, you've got to advocate for yourself.

Now, is our babies, and maybe the reason they highlight, babies and you talk about in your book is it's very important to make sure that they're dosed right or that they're not overdosed that they how to maybe understand how drugs might work on them maybe differently than an adult maybe i don't know you tell me yeah and you're absolutely right you know so with yeah with babies we do have different different enzymes you know and we have higher rates of some enzymes and what you have an adult and then vice versa dosing is a lot different which is why you have right pediatric specialists because it's not the same as treating adults. Plus, their dosages are probably much different, you know.

I mean, I require half a bottle of vodka and a handful of Tylenol. Don't do that, folks. This is just a joke. But, yeah, yeah, it's going to be really bad for your liver and kidney if you have one left after it. Trust me, I know. But certainly, you know, an advocate for babies, mean they're not going to be able to drink half a bottle of vodka, maybe a quarter or something like that. Don't do that folks anyway.

But no, I can see it. I can see it's different, but it's a great thing to learn, too, how your body does all these things. I mean, I just think of aspirin and Tylenol as magic. And you probably explain how it's much more detailed than just magic. Yes. Yes. Is it magic? A lot more detailed.

Put it mildly. So it's not. magic? Well, you know, whatever you got to tell yourself, but no, they're not magic pills. You know, they go in, they do things. They do different things to a lot of the same end goals between, like you said, aspirin and Tylenol, but two totally different classes of medications. Yeah. And so, you know, everything goes about it differently. Yeah. Dern it. You've just ruined my whole, my whole world because I always thought that medicine is magic. magic. That's why I always call

David Copperfield, whenever I have an ailment of medical thing. I just ask him to perform some magic. And he goes, take two aspirin and call me in the morning. And then he never takes my call in the morning, which is really weird. So pharmacology is really important. Do you hope that parents,

when they read this, will kind of maybe understand how medicines work and maybe what the side effects or effects can be. Yeah. You know, again, part of it I think is really just aiming to highlight that no matter what you're taking, again, whether it be over the counter, whether it be two aspirin or Tylenol or mybiprofen, you name it. Things like that, even, that are proven safe, right, and effective because they're over the counter, which has a whole different set of criteria from like other

prescription medications. But even though they're over the counter, everything can be dangerous if you take too much of it. And, you know, Tylenol is the perfect example of that. Iviprofen, aspirin, all perfect examples of that. So really just having that, like, what we call baseline knowledge of what these medications are doing, you know, inside of your body and kind of just seeing how that that could become dangerous, you know, is an important concept or an important thing to highlight.

But then again, you know, the book itself is really just targeting that basic, basic pharmacology understanding of this is what an agonist is. This is what an antagonist is. Or receptors, right? So different, very, very vague. I've seen antagonists in real life in Twitter. Yes, yes, yes. I think we all have.

Yes. We like to do callback. Twitter bashing jokes. It's still called Twitter to me. Anyway, what inspired you to want to write this book? Actually, it was my husband. So I actually

wrote it when I was pregnant with my first child, and I was at my baby shower, and I was getting all of these books as gifts that were, like, other topics, like, for babies. And some of them were, like, medical-related. Some of them were, like, statistics, you know, related. Just kind of, like, little nerdy books. And I loved them, right?

of course. And I went home that day and I was like, I wonder if they have like a pharmacy one, you know, that I can just buy on my own. And then there was nothing. And so I was like, well, my first thought was, hey, well, this is fitting. Again, pharmacists are not very good at advocating for ourselves and kind of letting people know what we actually do, right? Yeah. have preconceived notions of what they think pharmacists do, but I don't know, we all do different stuff, right? You can ask 10 different pharmacists, what's your job?

You'll probably get 10 different answers because it varies so much. Yeah. Yeah. One of the things you had as a topic was the difference between a pharmacist that just graduated and a clinical pharmacy. Is there a difference? Yeah. Yep, there is.

And so, you know, kind of what we were just talking about, you know, a lot of the times people picture, you know, when you say pharmacists, right, they're picturing your pharmacist that the death of pharmacy that's checking your prescriptions, that you're picking up your prescriptions from. But then there's other, there's other worlds of pharmacy as well. So, like, I am a clinical pharmacist. So what I did was went to pharmacy school and then did an additional two years of training to specialize in pain management. So, so I work in like a pain clinic. And so I, managed chronic pain as part of my job. And so you could not put me behind a counter what we think of when we think of pharmacists. I would not survive. I don't know. I couldn't do it

because I'm so far removed from from that side of pharmacy and flip-flopping. But you have pharmacists all over that most people don't even know exists. So it's like myself. There's pharmacists on, right? If you're admitted to the hospital, most likely. There's a pharmacist on that team that might never be not around, you know, with the doctor, but there's a pharmacist on that team making sure that everything is safe. When I grew up when I was a teenager, there was a lot of pharmacists that had, so my teen friends had the pharmacy books that told you what all the pills do. I think that was a form of pharmacology.

They were clearly not licensed as pharmacists, but they sure could tell you what your prescriptions in your mom's cabinet did. And there might have been money involved. I don't know. But I remember you'd meet these people and they would have that thick book of pills. And you're like, I know what you do. But maybe they're a future pharmacist. Maybe.

We'll go with that. Assuming they didn't end up in the clink. Which sometimes they did. So I remember that from high school. But those aren't stick with licensed pharmacists. I think that's the message I'm trying to convey here. Yeah, that's a good idea. Don't go to the corner anymore in downtown.

Pharmacology for babies, I mean, this is pretty interesting. And so is it important for people at younger age to understand the medications, potential risks, dosages? I mean, it always says on the bottle, you know, for children, you do one dosage. For humans, you do the adult dosage, assuming I'm an adult. yeah physically not emotionally or mentally according to my axes but yes

I mean I think I think that's a good a good thought you know about this and I think again part of the reason or the book is really to get people knowledge or not knowledgeable right because it's very very basic right but I think interested and

involved Right. And kind of just thinking about these concepts as they're going through life because, you know, as we know with everything that's kind of going on right now, you think of like opioids and like all the different stuff, right? That's that's going on. That's not prescribed and people taking other people's medications and thinking that, you know, just because it was prescribed to somebody else that it's safe for you to take. And obviously that's not the case. Yeah, there's allergenic reactions you can have, probably drug conflict. My mom's older. Many different things, right? Oh, yeah. My mom's old. That's another reason you need to advocate for yourself.

My mom is, I have a sister in a care center, and my mom's fairly older. And sometimes she's gotten medications that conflict with the other medications and compound the side effects. And then, you know, eventually she's like, I don't know what's going to. on, doc? I don't feel good. The dog's like, well, what are you taking? And she gives them the list. And they're like, oh, this isn't supposed to go with that. You're trying to kill yourself or something. What's going on? And it's kind of weird. How is pharmacy, the landscape of it, changed in the past 10 years or so. And when are they going to get it so I don't have to stand in line anymore? Yeah, well, I don't think ever be anything. Nor should it be, you know, which is not what we all want to hear.

But really, you want something that is, right, that you want that process to be in place. I can promise you that because you want something that somebody is looking at and making sure that it's appropriate and safe and that the dose is right and that there's no drug interactions with other things that you're taking. So all of that is like what's going through a pharmacist's mind. Yeah. Plus, I mean, you probably spend half an hour on the phone alone just trying to call the doctor to ask them what. the hell he wrote. Yeah, I think, I think that's a major complaint. Like I said, I'm so far removed from that side of things,

but I can tell you from the rotations that I did have to do in those areas that, yes. Yeah. I just think it's kind of half, you know, I'm not calling the pharmaceutical business scammy, but I know that when you go to CVS and they go, yeah, we're going to take like half an hour to get your prescription fill, but go ahead and shop while you're here. I'm like, eh, is there something going on? What's going? You say that, but I was at a pharmacy the other day picking up an inhaler for my son.

And we were walking the aisle. And sure enough, there's this big monster truck. So guess what we went home with an inhaler in a monster truck? That's why they put the pharmacy in the back. It's just like the casino. They put the hotel in the back. So you've got to walk to the whole floor. Sure enough, something's going to be like, and it's worse if you have a kid.

kids because the kids like, hey, I want that truck. You're like, damn it, I'm just here for drugs. So that's what I say down on the corner on weekends. Let's see, what specialties can clinical pharmacists practice in? Oh, gosh, there's a ton. So like I said, I'm myself in pain management with that or, you know, adjacent to that is like palliative care and hospice. And then that specialty area, which is extremely. important, of course, as is everything. You know, I don't think anything more important than

the other. But you have oncology or like on cancer teams, right? There's pharmacists there. Pharmacists managing kind of your everyday types of diseases like diabetes, high blood pressure, high cholesterol, those types of things. You have emergency department. You have pharmacists in the ICUs, there are so many different areas that these pharmacists can practice in that, again, a lot of the times you don't know that there's a pharmacist on whatever team, but typically they, typically they're there. What should everyone know about pharmacists that maybe they don't already know? Do you guys have like secret lives or anything like that or something?

No, no, I don't know. I think we might be. I'm probably speaking for myself. but one of the more boring or nerdyer type of disciplines. But no, I think something that I would love everyone to know is that, again, when you see your pharmacist, they're working hard, they're doing things in their mind and doing different checks, you know, that, again, you just, you don't see it.

So it's hard to understand what that pharmacist is doing at any given point. Because a lot of it, right, is mental, you know, it's all mental work. It's brain power. It's thinking. It's thinking through things. It's that kind of stuff. And so typically when we can't see something, it's a little bit harder to grasp. But I think, yeah, we're working our minds off.

Got to make sure there's no counteractions with other drugs. Got to make sure that the signature is legit. I never really tried it, but I wonder what happened if you went into a pharmacist and you had like a prescription and just people have always said my signature. You know, I used to sign like a hundred employee checks at once every two weeks in this thick stack. And so my signature became pretty linear and pretty scribly. And so a lot of people see my saying, you're like, you'd be a doctor the way you're right. And I'm like, okay. But I don't know, I've never tried it.

The, I think we might have a reality show here, the secret law. The secret lives of pharmacists. Can we sell that? It goes to a pharmacist mind. Yeah. Well, no, it'd be like the housewives of Notre Dame or what of the hell goes on with those shows. And so it would be like the secret lives of, of pharmacists. And then, you know, maybe we have some mating in there, dating, mating, you know.

It's like the bachelor. I'm sure, you know, there's, I went to school with a, with a couple people that ended up, like, you know, married from our class. And I'm like, good for you. Wouldn't that kind of suck because you'd argue over stuff? Like that interacts with and gives a side effect of that. And they're like, no, it doesn't. You have it wrong. And you just argue over drugs.

Yeah, yeah. It seems like some of the people I knew in high school, actually. Anyway, if you had any general piece of advice to give the public, what would it be? And that might be the same one you gave earlier. So forgive me, I'm just answering the questions from the PR agent. Yeah, yep, that's okay. I think you're probably very similar, right? Very, very similar.

but, you know, just be nice, right? Be nice to your pharmacist. Be nice at the pharmacy. Like I said, everyone, you know, they're all doing probably more than you realize, you know, even more than I realize, right? Sometimes I forget I'm a pharmacist and I'm staying in line at the pharmacy and I'm like, oh, but then I'm like, Mandy, you know better than that. I've been in that situation.

So I think it's just important to, yeah, and to understand the concepts, right, in the book, to understand that it's not. limited to things that are prescribed just because it's over the counter doesn't mean it's always safe just because it's a supplement doesn't mean that it's always safe no matter what we're putting in our body is doing something you definitely got to be safe there's a we had someone I don't know if you want to comment on this so you're welcome to do or don't but there was a gal who came on who talked about generics and what's the opposite of generics real drugs Like a brand.

Like brand name or, yeah, trade name. So, and she did research on generics and found that there was a lot of, let's say, interesting things. She was a, I think a Pulitzer Prize winning author. And she found that a lot of the generics are made in like India and other places and sometimes the quality of sketch. She did a whole thing on that. My mom recently, you know, she's older. So there's a lot of medications. she takes to keep alive.

I think I'm at that point now, too. If I don't take my vitamin D, I usually die, and then they have to resuscitate me. But she noticed that her insurance companies now are pushing her to take generics more than brands, and she really doesn't want to do that. So is there something going on in the marketplace of brands and generics that is kind of new this year? I don't know if you have any thoughts on that, or if you even want to delve into that, you can skip it if you want.

You can take a pass. No, no, I won't pass. But I'll give a brief overview, right? So typically your insurance companies are going to push for generics because they are just inherently cheaper than, you know, the brand name product. And so, of course, if they're covering it, they're going to want to cover the cheaper option. For a generic to get approved as even, you know, an option. for a prescription, you know, they do have to show that they are, and I believe this has been a long time since I've been in this world, too, but within about 5% of the, like the effectiveness

of the brand name product. So they do have, you know, some steep requirements that they have to meet. You know, not anyone can just crank out a generic product and say this is our version of it. Like, they do have to compare it to the brand names to make sure that it is. legit in that sense right yeah yeah yeah it was a new york times best seller bottle of lies by katherine yeah you'll have to look that up yeah you'll have to check it out it's it's an interesting read and some of the things she uncovered it was like a 10 year research she did and and i think at one point she her life was threatened people were not happy that they were she was finding out stuff but uh yeah and i like your earlier message always be nice to uh the pharmacist uh when i was a teenager

sometimes I'll get you an extra dime back, so I'm not sure what that means. Just doing jokes here, folks. This is comedy. It's a funny show. We do a little funny. So are there future books you're thinking about writing maybe pharmacology for teenagers or adults? Yeah. You know what?

That could be a hit, right? That would be a little bit lengthy. Yeah. And then you take these guys on the cover and you make them your mascots or your brand lead or whatever. They're on the pharmacology for babies cover. Just make a, you can say, sell like a little merch. I like it.

You'll be the first one. Farmicology, well, you might not want pharmacology for teenagers. You know, they've got enough of those advisors on the corner. But pharmacology for adults, you know, it's amazing to me how many. Yeah, they got their own advocates there locally. Hit that vape. Don't, don't hit the vape. Vaves are bad for you.

I can't even believe that. After we killed off smoking cigarettes. for the most part. Somehow, vape came back. They're just like, what the hell? There's always something to take it. Right. Always something to come next and take the place.

I mean, stick to, I don't know, whatever. So any future books coming up? Any things you want to talk about? Any speak engagements events? Anything you want to promote? I think really at this point, just the book, you know, future books, it's something that I've toyed with. I can't say that I have a definitive answer.

I think it would be, you know, what's next. And yeah, I don't know, you know, because it's hard to, it's hard to tell, you know, what people want or like what they, you know, look forward to. So I think that would be part of it. But potentially. Well, I, you know, one thing that might be interesting, because I, you know, there's a lot of jokes that run through the head during the show and a lot of them hit the cutting room floor. But maybe a pharmacology book for mother. with a baby in the womb, you know, maybe how drugs that they might take as mothers might affect their babies. Like my father, his mother, and this is like in the 50s, was given a drug when she was

pregnant that was supposed to help with pregnancies and ended up causing birth defects. And it would usually cause a leaky heart valve where your heart would leak. And he had it for most of his life undiagnosed. And then later in his life, they found it, they found what caused it and stuff like that. So maybe, maybe book for expected mothers, you know, to maybe be careful of certain drugs put in your body, especially maybe too much Tylenol or something like that. And how maybe it's wrong. You know, you might be onto something. Yeah. I mean, really, you know, you think of like ibuprofen, right? And like aspirin. And those are really the ones that, like, for like, nope, nope, don't take that when you're pregnant.

So, yeah, that might be. Does it be, would the baby get like a full hit of that or a partial hit of that? You know, a big old, you know, the Alzheimer's girlfriend tabs are pretty big. Yeah. Yeah. Would a baby get like maybe half of that? And, you know, he's like, I don't know, tenth of your size. So that's probably not a good dose.

Yeah. Well, I mean, it all, right, again, it all comes down to, like the anatomy, right? of what's going on in pregnancy and at what stage of pregnancy are we because what's developing at that point and what could potentially be affected. So like you said, like a leaky valve, right? Yeah. You have different concerns kind of in different trimesters, if you will. So yeah.

You want your baby healthy. I mean, that sounds like a book. A lot of women read and probably smart because I don't know what to do with that. I don't have that problem. But I'm working. I'll have a baby someday. I can say the dads might need it more than the mom. That's true.

That's true. That's true. Or maybe the dads can be like, what can I drink to get me through these nine months? That might be another book too. Anyway, so thank you very much for coming to the show. We certainly appreciate it. Amanda,

anything else you want to plug on the show before we go? No, no. I think I'm good. Plugged away. Sounds good. Give us your dot com so we go out so people can find you on the interwebs. All right.

Well, I don't have an author website, but again, the book itself, Pharmacology for Babies, is available on Amazon at Barnes & Noble and also as an audiobook on Google Play and iTunes. Hopefully, hopefully you all enjoy it. Folks, and let's get this durn babies that don't have pharmacology under control. It's time we put a stop to this and got pharmacology for babies, got everyone up to speed. Maybe those babies will be less, I don't know, irritable or poop less or, Maybe it'll just learn to be better babies.

It's time, folks. It's 2026. It's time we quit putting up with this. So any, folks, pick up her book, Pharmacology for Babies out October 24th, 2022. Make sure your kids up to speed with the other kids in the neighborhood. You know, you got to keep it with the Joneses. So that or, I mean, you could get one of those bumper stickers. Maybe you could sell bumper stickers, Amanda's a merch.

My baby graduated A with pharmacology. I love that. I love that. I love that. those bumper stickers, the shame everybody. Thanks for us for us for us for us for us chrisvost. LinkedIn.com, Forteschristchristvost, Facebook.com, fordstschristvost, YouTube.com, fordstschristfus.

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