The Chris Voss Show - The Chris Voss Show Podcast – Pride (7 Deadly Sins) by Victoria Christopher Murray

Episode Date: April 4, 2023

Pride (7 Deadly Sins) by Victoria Christopher Murray Mylifetime.com/movies/pride-a-seven-deadly-sins-story The 7 Deadly Sins series that inspired four Lifetimeoriginal movies continues with this unputdownable novel following mortgage broker Journee Alexander as she tries to escape the secrets of her past without losing all she has worked to build in the present. Journee Alexander grew up believing that the only person she could depend on was herself. After being abandoned by her mother, burning bridges with friends, and narrowly escaping bad business dealings with her first mentor, her trust is hard to earn and harder to keep. But she has overcome all of that and now, as a successful mortgage broker at the top of her game in Houston’s booming real estate market, she has every reason to be proud of her accomplishments. She achieved this massive success on her own—there’s no need to put her trust in anyone else. But when Journee starts receiving cryptic text messages from an unknown number threatening to destroy everything she has worked to build, she is out of her depth for the first time. Forced to consider accepting help from someone, Journee turns to the first man she loved, the one who got away. But old habits are hard to break and after trusting only her own instincts for so long, can she put her pride aside and accept advice from an old flame? Or should she put her trust in a brand-new love who is in sync with all that she wants to do? Journee is forced to confront the secrets of her past, the old hurts that never seem to heal, and the fact that sometimes a meteoric rise is just the first step in a devastating fall that will change her life forever.

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If you're listening to the show 10 years from now, like many of you do, comment on some of our old videos. We just passed April 1st, 2023. And I played a joke on my social media audience on LinkedIn and Facebook. And I lived through it evidently but we announced on april 1st fool's day that the chris foss show there was a pending announcement that was coming today on monday that we'd been bought for a multi-million dollar deal by amazon and of course the show is on amazon already and audible as well you can download on audible which is weird because the show's not a book,

but it's on audible. So make sense of that. I don't know. And you can find it anywhere on the, in the interrupts. So I, I made a, a April fool's joke that with the show had been bought by Amazon and,

uh, some people actually bought it and they know that I'm a, I'm a snarky joker sort of person, which surprised me. And, you know, I, I don't know if some of my well-wishing friends just of person, which surprised me. And, you know, I, I don't know if some of my well-wishing friends just are like,

yeah, let's just, let's just play Kate the idiot for a while and pretend like we bought his BS on April fool's day. But some people actually bought it. And I actually had to privately write some, uh, very famous people and say,

Hey, just so you know, I don't want to embarrass you. Um, but, uh, that, that is an April fool's joke.

Uh, so the show was not bought by Amazon in a multi-million dollar deal if you believe that well i i we the show appreciates your love and support and it's it's going on 14 years damn it somebody buy this show already i don't know that i'd sell it i i like having control over everything i'm kind of a narcissistic person that way so in uh in other news That didn't happen, I don't know what that means But we are in 2023 We have an amazing 30 book plus author on the show She's returning from her

Previous appearance on her show The Personal Librarian was the show That she was on and it came out When was that? We did 308 shows last year So I'm still trying to Feel my legs. June 7th, 2022 she'd come on the show.

And we have Victoria Christopher Murray on the show. You may have heard her, may have seen her, especially if you're familiar with the Lifetime Original Movies channel. She had four of them. Holy crap, four of them. She's returning for her amazing new book that's come out April 4th,

which is tomorrow. Yes. Tomorrow. She says April 4th, 2023. And so does Amazon or wherever fine books are sold. Uh, her newest book,

this is part of her seven, seven deadly sins book series, which I think is describing my life. Uh, this one is called pride, the seven deadly sins and comes out in a variety of formats. You can order wherever fine books are sold.

Victoria Christopher Murray is the New York Times bestselling author of more than 30 novels. Her novel, The Personal Librarian, which I mentioned earlier, which she co-authored with Marie Benedict, check out that episode, was an instant New York Times bestseller and her novel stay in your ground won a naacp image award for outstanding literary work

fiction uh two of her novels lust and envy have been made into tv movies for a lifetime and you can visit her at her website we'll get that from her second welcome to the show victoria how are you i'm good it's good to be back with you. There you go. And give us a.com where people can find you on the interwebs. Well, my name. So it's easy. VictoriaChristopherMurray.com. And on social media, everything is Victoria Christopher Murray. There you go.

And I think on the last part of your Amazon thing is an update. It said two of your novels have been made into TV movies. Yeah. Yeah. So four have already been made and the fifth one comes out this Saturday. There you go. I'll let you yell at your publisher for not updating your

author page. There you go. Well, thank you for coming back to the show. We really are honored and appreciate it. Give us what motivated you to want to write this series of book or this book in addition to your series. I'm imagining you're just trying to want to write this series of book or this book in addition to your series? I'm imagining you're just trying to keep up with the series of all the seven deadly sins at this point.

Yes, that's all it was. When I started writing the seven deadly sins, I can't say that I was really committed to writing a series. I mean, that's seven books. Yeah, yeah. That's a little commitment phobic. So I just wasn't sure but what happened was after i wrote my very first book um just not too long after that lifetime came calling um somebody was interested in producing it they took it to lifetime sean robinson and so now i

had to write seven books um And so it's very easy. You know, the last seven years in this part of the genre that I write in, it's been easy. I wrote Lust, then I wrote Envy, then I wrote Greed, then I wrote Wrath, and now Pride. Wow. Not a lot of thinking to do in terms of the subject. Of course, I then had to put the story together. It sounds like you're describing my life. Lust, envy, greed, wrath, and pride.

That's right. That's the five that I've done. And then the next one is probably Chris Goeth's Before the Fall or something. The only two I haven't done are Gluttony and Sloth. There you go. Well, you can still write those about me as well if you like uh anyway enough about me uh and my lifestyle uh so give us an overview of this book uh kind of a broad 30 000 of foot look if you would yeah so this is a story this one is one of my favorites

because it has a little bit of a mystery to it um This is a woman who, of course, she's going to be suffering from pride. But she was homeless as a child and she clawed her way to the top. So she feels she has done it all. She doesn't need any help. And the book opens up with her needing some help because she's been getting these mysterious texts from someone threatening to bring her down. And she's done some shady things in her past that may bring her down. And she doesn't want to come down that way. So she has to ask an ex for help.

Oh, that's not something women like to do, asking exes for help. And that's the first page. Of course, it depends on how good looking it is. You know what I mean? I don't know what that's about. Sometimes you get those exes that call you, protect you after a year or something. You're like, you miss me? What?

Yeah. This was an ex-fiance. So they were deeply in touch. I don't think any of my ex-fiances would take my calls. I have two of them. How many do you have? I have a lot of exes.

Ex-fiances. I've been single all my life. I'm pretty stubborn that way. so uh is is the characters in your books for people that are familiar since this is a book series is the characters in your book the same person or are you using different women in each of the different books that's a good question because when i wrote the first novel lust i had to make that decision when I wrote the second one. What did I want to do? And I decided to make them totally different people. In fact, I chose seven, well, five so far, different cities.

And the only thing they have in common is that they're part of the series, the seven deadly sins. What do you think is the real key? Do the novels, do you kind of follow a formula Of the novels what do you think Makes this one kind of different Can people pick it sounds like people Can pick up the series anywhere in This okay

Anywhere And what do you Go ahead with your answer I think you were saying what makes them Different to people I think you were saying what makes them different to people. I think people are fascinated. Everyone has heard of the seven deadly sins. And so, and I was smart.

I started with lust. Because that's the one that people are like, oh, I think I may have a little bit of that. Got some lust going on. I think once I started with lust, like I'm not sure any of the other ones would have been the perfect first one. But I think it was

the perfect and once I got people in lust I got them hooked. Because one of the things that I think I've done is I've never forgotten the word deadly in the seven deadly sins. i'll just leave it at that yeah you know i mean it probably gives you a lot to work of because because you can be like okay well here's the next here's the next uh seven deadly sins and uh you can do that what are you

going to do when you run out of all seven deadly sins? You're going to have to start making some up. I know. Well, you know, that's interesting that you say that. I don't think I'm going to do that. In the beginning, in the middle, I was starting to think, hmm, I wonder if I should do like an eighth deadly sin and call the book The Eighth Deadly Sin because

nobody heard of that. And then I could do something like revenge or something. But, you know, I've been writing also historical fiction, and I really like that. So I think I'm going to kind of let this go, and this will be like my swan song in contemporary fiction. Well, it seems to be popular with a lifetime crowd.

Maybe you should do like, you can just, yeah, you can just start making up your own deadly sins, because there a lot of them they're stupid and dumb and ignorant and uh people who uh i don't know uh i don't know there's probably i think revenge is a good one revenge is a good one that's something that can get you murdered murder that's some murdering maybe going on there yeah so is it uh is there like some life lessons incorporated in your books as to maybe an example of what not to do since we're talking about the seven deadly sins that's kind of the point of them is like don't do these or else i think these are cautionary tales i don't write i don't set out to say okay

let me teach this lesson because i mean, I'm suffering from them as well. So I can't teach anybody anything. All I can do is write about it. But I think they do serve as cautionary tales because people say, oh, maybe I should stay away from that. I've had some early readers with pride and with pride more so than any of the other books. I've had people say, wow, I see myself really in this character. So I found that fascinating that people are saying that more so than any of the other sins. Well, you know, the thing is, we love stories.

We collect stories in this life and took me 50 years to figure out what we were always doing with tv and books and movies and television and stuff that we were basically you know we don't get an owner's manual and so that's why i love my podcast series and having uh interesting authors like yourself on and what you guys write is uh this is how we learn about life and ourselves and how either to be better as ourselves or maybe a reflection of ourselves in the mirror right yeah and i think that's why people read and even in fiction you're able to get something out of it get some life lessons out of it and with writing i get to learn because when i was writing the

seven deadly sins i discovered something like with lust, envy, wrath, and greed, those are all sins that you can see on the outside. You can see it. You can see someone lusting. You can see someone's jealousy or envy. But pride is an inward sin. And so it's very hard to demonstrate it on paper. And so that was something that was very interesting to me. So even as I'm writing these fiction novels

that I totally make up, I'm learning something too. There you go. Self-reflection. They say the teacher learns more than the student sometimes. Yeah. I should probably read the book because I might have a narcissistic pride attitude According to all of my exes I don't want to take my calls You should check with them

There you go So is there any romance with the, you know, she's bringing the ex back into her life a little bit Is there any romance going on? Well, she's bringing the ex back into her life a little bit? Is there any wrong hands? Well, she's bringing the ex back into her life a little bit. And when she sees him again, she's like, why did we break up in her head? So she goes through in her head because he does agree to help her. She goes in her head, okay, we need to get back together. She thinks she's feeling that with him, too, until he announces he's engaged.

Oh, there's a twist there's a twist uh so uh so there's a whole journey that goes on there the thing is there's a whole journey that's funny that you say that her name is journey uh-huh yeah her name so there's a whole journey for journey and how is she going to work with her ex who now has a fiance next to him that i don't like there's a little bit of a twist with her and if he has i won't say give away too much so there's a pretty big twist with that and then she's like well what should i do maybe i should bring somebody in my life so that and so it's a mess it's okay it's a page-turning formula of dynamic characters sexy and passionate romance and high-stakes drama touching on themes of faith and hold your breath

suspense that builds and propels this absorbing fast-paced novel to satisfying conclusion this is probably the reason people love your books is they love they love the adventure and and a bit of romance that goes into it. You know, I've had exes where, uh, you know, after we break up and, you know, I'm told what a horrible person I am, they'll, they'll come back to me, uh, as they're dating the new guy. And then they'll, they'll actually take me to lunch or dinner and complain to me about the new guy.

Oh, yeah. I've had, I've had that a few times. Um, and, uh, they, they find out the, the new guy, the monkey branch had i've had that a few times um and uh they they find out the the new guy they monkey branched to wasn't uh wasn't quite the didn't turn out quite as good that that grass wasn't really and so i've sat there at lunches uh going and they buy i they're you know they then they come complain about him and i'm just like oh well you know i'm thinking i think playing through my mind, all the things that they said about how horrible I was.

And so, you know, he's not as ambitious as you. I'm like, well, you know, you're just, you're just sitting there sipping your tea. You're not listening to them. Nothing you can say. He went from the guy who owns all the companies to the guy guy who's the uh art teacher who uh makes twelve thousand dollars a year yeah have fun with that exactly exactly so there's a bit of fun that can be had with uh those things when when x's call you back i think i think we all go through that experience of x's and and stuff but uh sadly people have got to order the book. We can't give the

plot away. Yeah, because there's a lot of of all the books, this one allowed me to have more twists and turns because the genesis of the book is someone is stalking her and

threatening her through text and each one is getting worse and worse and worse wow and she's been shady so she has something to hide oh she'd been shady and then she's got this person threatening her you know there's a lot of that going on in today's world in real life too which is kind of unfortunate where you know people are being weird on text messages yeah it's just it's a scary thing even with artificial intelligence people like i have a friend who got an email from some strange person saying send me fifteen hundred dollars or i'm going to show people what you've been doing on the internet i mean just crazy here's your browser history yeah that's crazy and scary

yeah i mean i i get extortioning uh messages all the time usually it's uh it's it's uh well instead of showing people what i do on the internet they're like we're gonna we'll take it down so no one will know how stupid you've been on the Internet. I'm like, wait, is this a threat? We'll just take it down. It's scary. But, yeah, so she's involved in that, getting those kinds of text messages, and they can't be traced because it looks like it's coming from a special texting app or something. Oh, a lot of that going on nowadays.

So what's it like seeing your movies transposed from book form to TV form? Well, you know, that's a really good question because I've only wanted to write books. A lot of people will write a book and say, oh, I want this to become a movie. I think it'll be good as a movie. I never focus on that. I stay just writing books. And because of that, I think I had a different experience than some people would have meaning it was just like the

icing on the cake to me it wasn't the cake and because of that I could let lifetime do with the movies what they wanted to do and I just keep writing the book so the movies look different than the book but i think because the books are 300 pages the movie can only be 90 pages because it's a page a minute and they have to allow the commercial and so i think lifetime has done a great job of keeping the essence of my book so i always say the movie tastes like the book. It's not the book, it just kind of tastes like it. And so there are parts that you don't see in the movie, but they've done a good job, a really good job. And it is kind of interesting to see

some of your words because they give it to a script writer to rewrite the whole thing for tv but it is good to see it's more the concept that i see on there rather than my words does that make sense yeah yeah it's more of the taste of what than my exact words but it's nice every now and then when something i've written pops up you know yeah that's that's kind of interesting because you're like you're like hey man you took my words it's like when you're in editing and they take all your words and they throw it all out and they start over again yeah they take all the words though they read what great thing is that of course the script writer will read the book and what i found interesting chris was how many of the actors read the book. That was the best part to me. Because with the first two books, they were filmed during COVID. So I couldn't be on the set.

And I had one of the actors, one of the men say that he read the book and now he was a fan for life. And so I thought that was so cool. And he's the guys that are reading the book so that was really cool yeah well i mean you've written 30 plus is it 30 on on the mark now or is it 30 plus a few years back i stopped counting at 30 so it's 30 something that's that's prolific and people seem to love them and pick them up and of course they get turned into movies um did you have any when you built the characters for this particular book did you have any maybe hollywood people in mind since some of your books are heading that way to the tv yeah and that's another good question i don't write with hollywood people in my mind at

all i actually though as i'm writing i will get images of somebody from a magazine or something, but never an actor, just something so I can have a picture in my head of what the character is looking like. And so then when people say to me, well, who should play this part? I can't move away from who was in my head that I spent the last year writing about. So I have a hard... And not only that, casting directors, this is something that I've learned, are really good. Because of the

movies, which have done well, and they've had great people, I would have never put some of the people in. Like, Beyonce's mom was in one of them. Oh, really? Yeah, she was in rap. And I would have never put her in some of them.

And then also, I never think of singers as actors. And in so many of them, there were singers. Eric Benet was in Greed. And he was amazing. So I don't think i'm even good now not only was i never thinking about hollywood people but now that i see what casting agents do i'm never going to try to do that because they are way better than me that's a great lesson for people who write because uh you know i i think most most of the authors that i interview they they don't really have characters in their head from hollywood i'm i i don't know i'm narcissistic enough to be like oh i don't know some somebody and i can't think of any anybody

uh off the top of my head but you know i'd have liam neeson play me or something i don't know because i have that resting face Go straight for the top Well I mean I would say the best person to play me In a movie with Brad Pitt or George Clooney Most likely because we have such a similarity Of face and look and attitude That or the James Bond guy

Any of the James Bonds Except for that tall one in the 80's He was a fine gent But he was a little too He was a little too feminine for me Who's that? Roger Moore Oh, the one before Sean Connery? No, the one after Sean Connery

There was the one before Sean Connery There was that one guy who was that one weird One Bond movie But, you know, we I get stopped in the street so much And people ask for my Brad Pitt Yeah, so was there was there any incorporation this you know of maybe experiences you had of Texting or talking to X's whether they contacted you or you contacted them. Was there any

Sort of lessons that you learned the incorporated no you know what's so interesting because when i was a brand new author and i wrote my very first book everybody read it and thought it was my life story and i was like no it's my it's in my head then the second book they're like no that's she's just added to her life story. Then by the fourth book, I was saying to people, would you stop it? If all of this stuff happened to me, I'd be on somebody's couch, never getting up. And so, no, I just think that part of the gift of writing novels is having this imagination and just putting it together from everything that we see from television and movies and the person in Safeway and I'm a people watcher so I make up stories especially at the airport when I oh wow people together um I will make up a story and suddenly it's a novel

holy crap well you have a lot of time in airports now, and there are a lot of interesting people there. Yeah. My two favorite places where I've made up stories are airports and Starbucks. Really? Wow. Yes. I'm like you. I'm a people worker.

I'm always curious about people's nature, and that's why I love the shows, because I love having people on like yourself. And what's your journey through life, and did you do because i'm bored with myself after 55 years i'm sick of hearing about me although that's not true if you follow me on facebook um but uh there's a bit of narcissism going on there but uh uh you know it's interesting to me because i do i do watch people and you're like how the hell are those two people together and you're like even worse sometimes i look at even worse supposed to be together yeah sometimes i look at people i'm like and then i see their kids and i'm like they had sex oh wow with each other each other i hope i hope i hope one of those i hope those are the mailman's children because i don't know i don't know what's going on there.

I don't know. I'm just being funny. People, right now someone's offended at home going, seriously? Me? That's my life. Anyway, but no, airports are probably fun to people watch because, you know, there's a lot of crazy things going on in airports lately. People throwing things around and, you know. Oh, my gosh.

That's getting scary. You've given me a new series to think about writing novels in my life. I could call it The Karens. I'll just take Karen videos that are on the internet or TikTok and just do a whole story. Make up their whole story.

That's a series. There you go. That or, you know, I've lived in Vegas for 20 years. I could do, everything's in HOA in Las Vegas. And I could do stories about, I think I've had one or two authors who have written books, novels about crazy-ass HOA presidents. Yeah, we had one last time. We had one years and years ago.

I've had some crazy ones. Like they drive by your house. They're almost like stalkers. They'll come out of your house. They're in their car taking pictures of your front yard because your bushes are like two inches too high. And it's a felony basically in their minds that you're being a travesty of a homeowner. But that might be a good series of novels, you know. Yeah.

You know, it's like just HOA presidents that are, you know, malignant narcissists. You know, they're teapot tempest, teapot little Hitlers running around. Well, that's the only place they have any power in life. You know, they have no power any place else so they that's like ushers in church you know they the only power they have in life is to tell you where to sit and so you're like oh i want to sit here no you must sit there or and that's their only power in life yeah and they used to get angry at me because I pulled... Go ahead.

I was just going to say, I hope I didn't offend any ushers in church right now. Yeah, we've lost at least three of the ushers crowd, so way to go. I'm sorry. The three people in the church ushers audience. I'm an atheist, so we already lost

most of the religion crowd years ago. Okay, so they're not here. Yeah, but we have lost most of the religion years ago. Yeah, but we have a lot of great religious discussions. We just had somebody talking about biblical, factual stuff last week in Armageddon and that was a great show. So we have some of that on the show. Please don't leave the show just because I'm an atheist.

We talk about religion and stuff. We just don't really promote it. The problem with talking about religion on the show is we're our own MLM. our religion and stuff we just don't really we just don't really promote it like uh but you know the problem with talking about religion on the show is we're we're our own mlm so we demand that people refer the show to five family and friends in their downline uh so that's how that's how we get referrals and five-star uh things in the show but no the thing that thing that people get angry at me that are ushers you know where i get the ushers upset with me is I usually

take the money out of the path to get passed around. They're like, hey, you can't do that, buddy. Put the money back. Put the money back. We've got to pay for the preacher's jet. And I'm like, okay.

I want a jet. That's my joke people will just be you just lost three church members we are losing you just lost the three I'm down six in the audience thank god the podcast is up 30% this month

so anything more we want to tease out in the book Victoria to get people to go buy it yeah you know what's going to be interesting is people love reading a book and then comparing it to the lifetime movie that comes out. So the books tomorrow and the lifetime movie is on Saturday. So that's one. Yeah.

So it's, you know, really it's much closer. Usually they give me two weeks, you know, so people can catch up and read the book. So that will be interesting. And the movie features Stephanie Mills,

who was on the Broadway and everything else that she's done. Wow. So, yeah, so that was pretty cool to be up in Vancouver with them shooting with her there. But the biggest thing is that it's a whodunit. And even if you think you know who who's doing this i promise you you'll be shocked by the ending i promise you this one take your breath away moment that you didn't see coming and the only reason i know it is because that's not the way i wrote it at first

and i woke up in the middle of the night saying, I'm changing this. Those surprise endings are what people look for because I love that in a movie when you don't have a clue what's going to happen until the end, or you think you know what's going to happen, and then you get surprised. The M. Night Shyamalan

movies were brilliant for that because you'd just be like, although the signs, I knew it know how this, although signs, I knew it was going to happen at the end. It was becoming a little too obvious. The, the foreshadowing was a little too harsh on that movie. But most of the other movies.

We have to do the foreshadowing, but I promise the last 50 pages will have people saying, I didn't see this coming. I didn't see this coming. There you go. So is this going to be a Lifetime series movie then? Do you think? This Pride?

Yes. Yes. The movie will be on Saturday. Okay. There you go. So people can watch for that. You've kind of got Lifetime pressured into doing all seven books Well they're kind of pressuring me Because

I'm really ready to be done with it I want to do These five of the seven Deadly sins But they've done well So we've got to figure out if I'm going to do Because I'm ready to move on to another Genre but

Because this is five books. This was a lot of books to write pretty much the same thing. It's been fun, but it's been a little limiting because the story is limited to the sin. So, I have it's not like I could come up with a totally

fresh idea. I've enjoyed it, especially with trying, because I always wanted to remember the deadly part of it, the seven deadly sins, but I didn't want everybody to die in every book. So I had to figure out

other ways that people would pay. Would pay for their sin. And that's been fun. That's been fun. So I'm not sure that that gluttony and sloth are interesting enough stories. I'm not sure. One's about being gluttonous, having, you know, overdoing it. And the other one is about being too lazy to do anything.

I just can't imagine a book about a lazy person. That sounds like my life. Maybe I'll send you some i'll send you some tips of my life no the gluttony gluttony seems like you know i don't know you just throwing out some ideas here for fun and giggles uh you know there's a lot of gluttony can you say there's a lot of gluttony on instagram and social media these days yeah it seems like there's a lot i posted is I wonder how much of it is real. You know, how much

is people showing, you know. Maybe that's the plot of the story there is, you know, that people appear gluttonous, but the gluttony is the falsivity of it. I was watching, I posted this TikTok yesterday on my Facebook,

and this woman has got these lip fillers, you know how they, they really pop them up and they almost kind of look like, well, they look clownish in my opinion, but she, she has to have this, this little steel.

It's, it's like a brush, but it's a steel blade. It's not really a blade, but a steel thing. And what, what's happening is she's put so much lip filler under her lips that it starts to leave the lips and pour into her flesh and so she has to use this kind of scraper to push the uh the thing and uh to me

that that's very gluttonous that's not not worth it. That's not worth anything. It doesn't look that hot, but I don't know. Maybe there are guys that are into that. But to me, that was a form of gluttony that you could write about. People are doing all sorts of things to their bodies now, butt implants and everything else. I've had some people say they want that Beyonce booty thing going on. And I'm like, you don't have to get an implant for that.

You just wait a few years and that thing will take care of itself. I've got one now. I've got a Beyonce butt now. I need too many tacos and burgers. So old age tends to fix all that for you. The next time I hear somebody say that, I'm going to steal that because now that's funny. Yeah, just be like, hey, just wait 10 years

and eat enough burgers and that'll take care of itself. And I'm 55 now. Everything's hanging down around the knees. Just give it time and that will take care of itself. You don't need to add weight You don't need to permanently add weight to yourself You just wasted on the young That's very true

That seems to be what I've been becoming In my old age I'm just that angry Clint Eastwood figure Who's on the lawn going Get off my lawn Get off my lawn The Gen Zers are like Thanks Boomer

I'm a Gen X but you guys can't count anyway Anyway Anything more we want to tease out of the books Before we go Victoria No I didn't have it To read because I love I hate reading From the book because I always

Feel like you know how to read. And so it just sounds crazy to me to read a book when people know how to read. But I think we've told a good part of the story. A woman who is in trouble trouble she knows she's in trouble she's afraid of who's stalking her but she's afraid more of the secrets that she's had to hide and she gets has to she the only person who can help her is her ex wow well uh this is this is probably a good lesson For maybe a lot of women and men

You know be nice to your ex You may have to call him for favors You may have to go crawling back one day And exes hold You know They hold grudges They do They hold grudges

And so they're going to remind you Of all the reasons Why you're not together anymore And it was probably your fault So she has to swallow A lot of her pride Because she's like A couple of times she's like I don't have to put up with this

And then she realizes oh yes I do You know we've all had those times with their exes there's that moment there's kind of six months or nine months or again i guess it depends on your relationship but there's always that that thing where you always keep getting back together when you first break up and you're like i miss this person then you break up and you're like oh yeah it's you i forgot i forgot i forgot you it's you it's you and he reminds her of everything so many times he wants to go but he's the only one who can help her she's he's the only one who can help her. He's the only one she really trusts for this project.

But she has to go through it. And then a new man comes into her life, and everything is turned upside on its head. Is there some drama within his fiancée, the ex's fiancée? There's probably some drama there, isn't there? There's quite a bit of drama there. Because he didn't know her ex, her name is Journey, and her ex's name is Ethan. And she is shocked to find out, his fiance shows up that it's her nemesis from high school.

Ah, it's a high school thing. It's her nemesis from many years ago. Many, many years ago. But now she's wondering why is this showing up? Is she part of this stalker thing?

You know, gee. So now there's a lot more. And everybody's a suspect. There you go. There you go. Well, exes are probably a fun thing to write about because we've all had it. We've all had the experiences. Like I say, my exes always come back to me.

And I think it's sometimes they, I don don't know they like certain aspects of me but uh the funnest times i've had is when they actually take me out to eat to complain about their exes and you're sitting there going well this is lovely and they're complaining about your exes you're just like yeah well hey you had a good thing you ruined it hey pride goes before the fall exactly and that's exactly what this book is about it hey pride goes before the fall exactly and that's exactly what this book is about you know pride going before the fall because she had to let go of her pride just to go back to her ex yeah and that's the um the first that's the first page like the first line of the book is he's the one who got away um Women are kind of obsessed with that

men who got away thing, aren't they? Yeah, yeah, and she knows it and so then just seeing, she hadn't seen him in three years, but she had to find him. She finds out that he's been kind of keeping some tabs on her. So now she's thinking,

oh my goodness, maybe we're supposed to get back together. So she's all into it through a couple of chapters. And then she meets his fiance. Oh. Who pretends that she didn't know who Journey was. It's a mess. It's a mess it's a mess this is we we had an author who had a book on the show where um the uh uh a gal out of the blue gets her uh what was it she gets a marriage invitation

and uh turns out she finds out that her ex-boyfriend is marrying one of her old friends one of her old best friends. Yeah, that's pretty scary, right? Yeah, that's pretty scary. These are always adventurous, and women love these things. Yeah, we do. We love to hate them. But we love to hate them. We love to read a book where we're saying about someone because we don't want to root

for people but there's that person that you would say oh my god i can't stand them but you turn the pages even faster with that person and um what i really just enjoyed about this book and what the reviews have come back and said is that besides everyone being a suspect um on every page you just don't know what's going to happen because you're wondering well is it her is it him and if it's him what does he want why is he doing it if it's him but now i think it's her again and, it might be her best friend from college. And she just, she hasn't chosen the people in her life very well. And now they're all coming back. Well, pride will do that to you.

Pride will do that to you. I've kind of been through some prideful things where I haven't chosen the best people in my life. Yeah, she hasn't. And then, I mean, but these were when you're kids, you know? When you're young, you don't know. Yeah, I'm still doing that now, though. Okay, so you haven't learned the lessons

yet. I'm going to read the book so I do and see the Lifetime movie. Yeah, so I mean, the thing is, is that then you haven't had, pride hasn't made you have a fall. There's been a lot of falls. But I just never learn. That's basically. That's why I'm going to read the book and watch the movie is so that I can

finally learn something. Finally learn something about pride. But I don't know. Maybe that's not your biggest deadly sin. Maybe that's not the biggest one. I delve in all seven of them. I've been rolling in it. So, yeah.

So you've got to go back and watch Lust, Envy, Greed, and Wrath. Yeah. You know, I've been single all my life and dated all my life. So pretty much that describes my whole dating life. Anyway. Victoria, it's been wonderful to have you on and share this fun stuff you've been going through. And you've been so prolific as an author. Congratulations.

Thank you. Thank you. And I thank you for saying that I've been prolific. What it really is is that I have a great relationship with food and shelter. And I love to eat, love to live someplace. So I write books so I can get paid. There you go. Well, it's always good to get paid for them, too, as well.

I hear that, Morten. Yeah. Very important to me. Very important. There you go. Well, Victoria, give us a.com. It's wherever you want people to find you on the interwebs. Okay.

So my website is victoriachristophermurray.com, it can read people can go there and read the first chapter of pride as well as the first chapter of any of my novels um on my website and keep up with me on my schedule and where i'm going to be and then on facebook and instagram i'm victoria christopher murray so it's easy to remember there There you go. Is the movie that's coming out on Lifetime, is it going to be called Pride? Yes. Seven Deadly Sin Stories, it looks like? Yes. I pulled that up. We'll put a link on the show

so you can check that out as well. There's a preview up now on mylifetime.com. Yes. That's what it's called. It's called the Seven Deadly Sin Story because it's like following the last four that they did that there there you go well folks order it up wherever fine books are sold always read the book the books are better than the movie yeah usually i'm not throwing shade at lifetime but you know you just use these because there's more data there's more stuff yeah because i get to use 300 pages, and they only get to use 90 pages.

But I promise you, with my last four, even my readers were so pleased. And, you know, readers usually hate the movies. But everybody was so pleased with what they did. There you go. There you go. Well, thank you for coming on the show once again. Thank you. Thanks, my audience, for tuning in.

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