The Chris Voss Show - The Chris Voss Show Podcast – Qobuz – David Solomon Vice President Business Development / Chief Hi Res Music Evangelist

Episode Date: July 26, 2021

Qobuz - David Solomon Vice President Business Development / Chief Hi Res Music Evangelist Qobuz.com

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We certainly appreciate you guys tuning in. Thanks for being here. To see the video version, just go to youtube.com, Fortress Chris Voss. Hit the bell notification, all those wonderful things we're doing over there. Also, go to goodreads.com, Fortress Chris Voss. You'll see everything we're doing there as well. And also, go to all of our groups on Facebook, LinkedIn, Twitter, all those different places. You can see all the stuff that we're doing. Today, we have an old friend of mine. He's not old per se, but we've been friends for a long time. So it's in that, it's the vernacular. Is that, is it the way one would say it? In the vernacular?

We'll be talking to him today. He is David Solomon, vice president of CoBuzz. And I've known him through so many iterations of his career. Welcome to the show. How are you doing? Doing great. It was a bit of a scramble because the day before yesterday, we heard this big lightning clap. Oh, yeah. Huge lightning. And I come downstairs. I had just about finished work, so I really didn't care. No problem. It seemed like everything was okay. The next morning, I get up and realize that the storm had taken out all of my switches. So I'm typically in my office. If you've ever seen me on the CoBuzz live broadcast on Thursday,

I'm typically in my office with a big drum set back here and my whole office set up. And it's just like the coolest place. About 30 minutes ago, I started just scrambling. So I ran downstairs, hooked up another computer, hooked it up directly to the router that's down here so I wouldn't be cutting out. So yeah, outside of that, things are going great. Listening to a lot of music, having a lot of fun working at Qobuz and being someone entertained by all of the chatter that goes around.

Audio. So tell us, for the layman out there, for the people who aren't familiar with CoBuzz, tell us what CoBuzz is, what they do, and maybe affiliate them with some of your, if you want to name your competitors so people know what field you guys. Yeah, yeah, we don't have any competitors. Oh, okay. Yeah, that's true. Good point.

We got tons of competitors. Who's the people who want to be CoBuzz? We're trying really hard. It's been people who want to be CoBuzz? We're trying really hard. This has been such an incredible ride with CoBuzz. It all started years and years ago when Pandora and Spotify and Mog and all of these. You skipped Napster. No, I'm just kidding. Napster.

I'm just kidding. There was just so bit torrents. This industry was in just absolute infancy for years and years. And then in 2014, I was lucky enough to launch another streaming service here that was the first full resolution streaming service, which was Tidal. I had a great time doing that until Jay-Z bought it out and decided that I didn't really fit the posse. So he, yeah, we're not going to need you anymore. After that, I had been super interested in streaming forever. I opened a little company called Peachtree Audio years ago, and we knew that's where things were going. Eventually we knew that things were going to go to a full or high risk stream. So we put

like all of those eggs in that basket. So it's been a really cool career. Then I went to work for Cobuz, met those guys in Munich at the Munich show, which by the way, if you ever get to go to an audio show in the world, Chris, that is like without a doubt by leaps and bounds, the coolest audio show in the world so i met those guys at at the munich show and they invited me to to come to paris for an interview and went there and got got the job with cobus to launch my second full res streaming service except this time it was going to be high res so now we've gone from napster at oh oh, the Lord knows what bit rate those guys were going at. Definitely, probably 192 max, maybe 256 kilobits per second max, all the way up to over 9,200 kilobits on COBUS.

So we do full bit perfect, full and high resolution all the way from 1644 to 24192 we're the first guys that kind of gave up the whole mp3 thing we're going there's no reason for mp3 so why why even talk about it why offer the service there are so many services that are offered that are compressed that we're going, this isn't, I'm so proud of this decision about, I guess it was like two years now, we made an announcement at the New York audio show that we were no longer going to be supporting MP3. So now it's literally 1644 all the way up to 24, not 192. And if you understand digital at all, it's all bit perfect. So it's exactly the ones and zeros that the studios deliver to us. That's the same kind of performance that

we deliver to the general public. For someone like me, for somebody like you, Chris, you open up a program and all of a sudden you've got 70 million tunes and CD up to high res. If you're anything like me, you're pinching yourself pretty much every single time you open up the program. So that's what we do. It's really the highest quality recordings that you can get. Studio masters, as it were. So, yeah, now we've got the ability to put more money into our gear than we do our music collection. If you remember, for years and years, for at least most of my life, the biggest expense to my music system was my songs,

thousands of albums, thousands of CDs. And that starts adding up after a while. And then it was like, you remember when you were a kid and you were going, Mom, take me to the record store? Because you weren't old enough to drive at that point. I rode my bike. Yeah, no problem. She popped you in the car. You go to the record store.

If you worked really hard that week, you might be able to get three or four albums. But most likely, you get a couple albums, maybe one. And then it just took so long to build up your collection, so much money. Now we just literally don't have that constraint anymore. It's like now you, for $12.50 a month, you open up a program and you're going, anything I ever wanted in high resolution is here. Or most everything that's in high resolution is here. And now I can put a lot more money into my audio gear to actually make that sound incredible.

So that's Qobuz in a nutshell. We also are really heavy into artist support. So we're the only streaming service that's got a download site. And we encourage you, I certainly encourage you, go buy music from your favorite folks. Everyone knows that streaming doesn't pay a lot of money.

So let's support these folks any way you can. So your favorite artist comes out, go buy their new album. We've got it all available and they're at really good prices. So we've got that going for us. And then one of our slogans or taglines, as it were, are we are the music lovers.

Nothing could be more true. Everyone that works at CoBuzz is just crazy in love with music. That's what we do. That's who we are. And that's what we're all about. So you'll see lots and lots of articles and editorials about your favorite artists or bands or groups or things that are just happening in the music world in general and those are all hand handwritten by us and and published for your enjoyment as far as size we're definitely the smallest we're definitely

the smallest and you know a lot of guys go how do you even survive we survive because there's a lot of music lovers out there that recognize that's exactly what we are and we hit them in that that that sweet spot let me clarify too you guys out of all the competing services and we're talking like all of them including those named after a fruit that begins with a which is probably appropriate given it's a fruit uh that's how i feel about it but you guys have the highest resolution of sound files that you're serving out of anybody's that did i nail that right or pretty much amazon hd they amazon went to uh high resolution that was a couple of years too

and we just thought okay gosh this is just to absolutely kill us because they've come in $5 cheaper than we are. They've got at least as much, if not more, more music than we've got. Guys, this may be it. We really worked hard. We renegotiated with the record labels, which we don't like to do because that just means less money for the artists and rights holders. It's just not the right thing to do. And we're not on a mad dash to zero. It's crazy. That's a no-win game. But they lowered it to $15. We really had no choice. So we lowered our price to $15 as well. And on an annual plan, I think it's like $1,250. But still,

we thought, gosh, they're so big. What ended up happening as our subscriptions went through the roof, it was crazy. I think it's because Amazon is just so good at marketing anyway. And so they said high res and all of a sudden, or HD, I think that's what they call it, which is another problem I have with people renaming everything, but whatever. But all of a sudden our hd i think that's what they call it which is another problem i have with people renaming everything but whatever but all of a sudden a whole lot more people knew about higher resolution recording that really ever had and as people do these days they start they start researching on the internet and all of a sudden they go high resolution audio. Oh, Qobuz. Oh, people seem to like that. So we just got this huge influx of people. Sorry. We just had this huge influx of people that and then that's the way it continued throughout the pandemic.

We just kept going higher and higher and we're going, wow, this is great. And the cool thing is it's all in the midst of supporting audio shows and actually talking to end users about high resolution. I don't want to be like a rock. I'm not a rock star, right? I'm just some guy that works for this cool company that a lot of people want to know about. So I should be available to answer questions and to interact with those folks and to make music suggestions and to support the audio and the music industry, which is exactly what we've been doing.

And I think that kind of rings clear with a lot of people, Chris. People enjoy other people that really dig what they're doing. They're doing it not necessarily for the coin. They're doing it because we can do a lot of things for the coin. We're doing it for the love of music. And I think people are really realizing that. I really appreciate that. Yeah. So this is what's important. It's funny. You were the person who set me up with my Tidal influencer account. I still have that thing. It still runs free to this day. But I got a chance to use Tidal when you'd hook me up with it. We've used the IFI audio

DACs that they've been sponsored, the Chris Foss Show, and they've been just really beautiful. And I've tested MQA folding with really good decoders and stuff against Qobuz's, just the pure DERN file. And yeah, I'm pretty much, I don't know if I'm BSing myself, but I swear I can hear a difference in quality. I don't know. There's BSing myself, but I swear I can hear a difference in quality. I don't know. There's definitely a difference, good or bad. There are a lot of people that will, which I don't really understand this mentality, but there are people that will literally fight you to win their point about Qobuz or MQA or Apple or Amazon or whatnot. Look, guys, as long as you're on one of those services, God bless you.

They're all really good. And you also hear people talk about night and day differences. There are very few night and day differences between resolution files and high resolution to high resolution. You may have a preference. But spouting night and day is a ridiculous statement. It's like a 730 to 830 sometimes. So let's use this to educate people. Let's talk about what's the difference between a low-res file. How do I know that I'm on a low-res file service? How do I tell how I find it? And what is the difference between 1644 and 24192? What does it really mean? I think

that's what a lot of people just don't understand. That's such a great question. And this is where I find probably the most misconceptions that we're fighting about this. When I say we, I don't fight about it because it's a stupid fight, but there are a lot of people who fight about theoretical numbers i'll give you a good example i just i was just reading a post the other day and they were talking about in the engineer guys they don't really understand the the depths of digital not from a number standpoint but what actually happens in a practical world they will put out posts like this all the time. 1644 yields 96 dB signal-to-noise ratio. Even 96 yields 144 dB signal-to-noise ratio. There is no equipment that could ever match that.

Yeah, your car will go 160. You don't do that. So here's the real deal. The 24-192 or 24, even 48, 24 is the big word there. That's the, to me, the far more important number. Yeah. Bit depth. And if you've got, let me put it another way.

If you've got a 16-bit recording and you're one of these theoretical guys, you're going to go, well, they're 1,411 kilobits per second. Folks, that is the theoretical limit. If you've ever seen a CD being played and tracked, what you'll find out is that a 1,411 CD really tracks around 500, 600. You get a really good one. It's going to maybe hit 900, but it's a variable. This isn't a 1411 constant. 1411 would be its absolute highest performance downhill with the wind behind its back. So as a recording engineer, to actually record into 1644, you have got to be really,

really good. There are a few of those out there, but there were many more bad recordings and the digital recordings in the 80s, 90s, and 2000s up to about 2010, then there were good recordings. But now if you start listening to the way things are being recorded now, the bottom end, the top end extension, the dynamic range that they can get on these things, if they're really in that mode, like some of the classical engineers and whatnot, they're unbelievable because they don't have to stick to that 16-bit format. So in other words, if I wanted 1,411 kilobits per second, I would have to do a 24, at least 48 recording so that at the end of

the day, I would be hitting 1,411 or 1,600 or maybe 1,800, but not 600 and 800 and 1,000. So really, if you take high resolution to its core, which is where it should be taken for, the biggest difference is going to be from a recording standpoint. Now, if you take this awesome recording, let's say a Billie Eilish tune.

Phineas and Billie, they blow me away. Two young folks that make recordings that just sound there they just came out of a million dollar studio and they're in her bedroom with the daw making these recordings but they're making them in 24 bit and they're making these great recordings or then you look at london graham or i mean there's just so many folks out there little dragon all of these recordings that are coming out today that hit this sub bottom and you could not do that unless you were crazy skilled engineer 20 years ago right i know we were looking for those kinds of tunes to demonstrate audio with pardon me so every now and then you would find one You would find somebody that's really great at recording 1644.

Bill Schnee. Bill recorded all of the Steely Dan stuff. Asia and all of the stuff that really got all of these killer recordings. One of the things Bill said to me as a recording engineer with 500 albums and countless Grammys. I think he's got like 50 Grammys or something for his incredible recording. Bill Schnee said to me, David, the first time I ever heard a band from behind the glass

that sounded like they were in front of the glass was the first time I recorded in 24192. Yeah. And I'm going, really? You've recorded on some of the best analog gear in the world. How about some of those like Studers or Ampex that you used to record on? See, I'm just like, I'm an amateur compared to Bill, right?

I look at these Studer, these multi-thousand dollar Studer, multi-track decks, and I'm going, oh my God, I would love to have one of those. So Bill says to me, he goes, yeah, they're fine. But every single time the cap stand clamps down on the tape and and it transfers or it plays there's a degradation because that just does not happen in digital so some people enjoy the degradation some people enjoy that analog sound and i say god bless them i've got an iprime right here i like it too it's fun yeah i mean yeah digital has come a long way and the high resolution is really for the recording engineer but now you are lucky enough to be able

to hear exactly what they hear yeah with one of these albums if that's not important to you and you're and you're more of a casual listener, my wife is a total casual listener, right? You know, high res is not necessary. You could just go to Spotify and you'd probably be happy. But if you're looking for that last inch degree of resolution that the engineers have recorded on the session, then we're a great place to get. Let's educate some people some more here.

The bits are important because that's the bits of data that are being sent forth with the quality of music. And so 16 bits is 16 bits, but 24 is, well, more. It's not quite double, but it's more. So you're getting more bits, more quality of sounds being fed to you, if I understand that correctly. In fact, a funny story, I don't know if I told this to you, Bill, we were honored to have him on the show, thanks to you. He comes on the show and I'm like, so P happy to talk about Steely Dan, my second favorite band in the world next to Metallica. He goes, I don't want to talk about it.

I'm sick of talking about Steely Dan. I'm like, this is on your PR thing. So we do the whole show. We end up getting into Mark Knopfler, which he's worked with a lot. I'm a huge fan of, turns out he was the guy who produced and or engineered a couple of Dire Straits things, including On Every Street street which to me is just sonically beautiful it's one of those albums like steely dan where i don't think i ever knew what the words were for like 10 years i was like i should probably learn these words like what do the words mean of the song i'm

just it's just so like from front to back it's just sonically pure and we get done we wrap the show i turn off the recorder. Guess what he talks about for the next half an hour? Steely Dan. Steely Dan. I love him. He was awesome. We sent him a mug. We need to send you out a Chris Voss show mug, David. We need to hook you up. What is lossless? Why is this important? First, I want to make one point to people. When you're looking at your music files, whether they're on any competitor or Qobuz, you want to take a look at that bit rate and what the kilohertz is. You want to look at that because technically the difference between

a 24-192 is like a 4k or 8k TV. And if you're listening to a 1644, you're on like an old 360 TV from like 1980. Maybe the one with the antennas. Maybe it's black and white. I don't know. Yeah, I don't know. Am I being overly mean? Yeah, maybe a little. You may be overstating it a little bit, but that is absolutely the idea.

Like I say, 1644 can be really great if you start off with a 1644 master, a 1411 master. The problem is there's just none of them that do that. Unless you're a Bill Schnee or a Cookie Maranco or one of those people that just gets every single thing you can out of a 16-bit recording, why do it? Give yourself the headroom. This is the thing that I'm talking about. I probably didn't explain this very well, but headroom is important in anything that you do. So in other words, if these speakers over

here, if they take 50 watts to drive, I don't want to use a 50 watt amplifier. I probably want to use a 100 watt amplifier or 150 watt amplifier so that when it does get to that 50 watts, it's still super clean. It's exactly exactly the same in recording if you're a recording engineer and you're having to peak up to 16 bit that's a peak you're recording this down here right nothing can peak above 16 or it's going to digital clip and you sure don't want to hear that that's a horrible sound so everything is somewhere under the mark right up under that mark but when you go to 24 bit now the mark goes up here so you don't necessarily record louder but you've got more of a range that you can deal with as a recording

engineer you've got more headroom if this were a car and you were driving top speed seven your car would be able to go 140 it would be able to 120. You always want headroom in every single thing that you do, and recording is absolutely no exception at all. As proven by the last five years. Chris, you've never heard better recordings. You might not dig the music, but oh my God, what if Phineas would have been able to record Led Zeppelin in Billy's bedroom? We would have the best led zeppelin recordings that or billy would end

up pregnant by a rubber plant so i'm not sure what how that'll work out that sounds that sounds like that's gonna end badly yeah but or good might end up god bless what that child would be what an artist or something i don't know i want to educate too so uh a lot why is lossless and bit perfect important you guys deliver bit perfect you guys deliver lossless type music even with my ifi audios there's two burr brown dax in their chips and then it makes sure that passes through including with my rune why is that important why should i once again if you're if you're a music lover and you want that detail you probably don't want lossy music. Lossless is exactly what it says.

There is no loss. It's minus of loss. It's exactly what was delivered from the studio. Now, you can take lossless and make it lossy, right? Bluetooth. You take a Qobuz signal that's, say say 1644 or 2448 or 24192 you run it through bluetooth and i don't care what anybody tells you about ldac or the new bluetooth or whatever bluetooth is capped at about 500 kilobits per second that if you remember our discussion before, CD is 1411.

So while Bluetooth sounds darn decent and a whole lot better than FM back in my day, it's not even close to full resolution files, much less high resolution files. So you're just dealing with less information. And if you go to really what that means, maybe in a little different way, Chris, high resolution is nothing more than millions and millions of tiny details. That's what it is now. When you put all those millions of tiny details together, all of a sudden the music just starts sounding better because it is so much more detailed in every single way. Yeah. If you're that kind of person that wants unaltered sound, you want to hear what the recording engineer sounded. You want to get to his close. Yeah. You want to be on the board? I do. So here's the math, David, you guys charge

about as much as everyone else charges relatively. Okay. This is called a dollar two. I don't know what it is because I haven't sat down and figured it out. But if you're going to pay for something, like if I pay for something, I want the best. I want the highest quality. I don't want low quality because then I'm not getting the best. And that's why I've shopped around, of course, and tried to get the best quality. And I go on the competitors that you guys have. They're not really competitors because they don't match your guys' delivery, as we mentioned. I look at the resolution. Okay, what's the bit? What's the kilohertz? What sort of files? Is it coming through me for the delivery system? Because a lot of people don't understand, even if you have high resolution on your computer, if you don't have your driver set up and you're plugging in and stuff, there's stuff that can get, you've got to

have a pure thorough put from front to back. I'd been reading recently that some people's phones, you've got to set them up. I know I have to set up band rates to be able to get that pureness, but if you're going to pay for it, if you're paying about the same price for all these different services that are out there, why not get the best? That's what I think. Maybe I'm just a jerk. You and I, it's just a super easy choice, and thousands of people are making that choice. And what you and I call the best would be the best experience, the best sound quality.

But I don't want to take away from any of the other services because they've all got their little spot. If you're more into features than you are the actual in- quality i gotta tell you spotify does a fantastic job does it sound as good no it doesn't but they've got all these cool features and if you're into that kind of thing some people would argue rightfully according to them that spotify would be the best choice if you're into the spatial thing if you're which i'm not at all i've listened to it my whole life and wanted to love it but i just don't but if you do and you want to use your little ear airpod pros or the big new headphones that they've got apple's got this head tracking thing and things come at you from different angles so if you're into that if you're into

that kind of thing man i, I'm telling you, you will fight people because you think it's awesome. The only problem is you're still running on Bluetooth, which means you're lossy. You're losing data. And there's nothing purer than a cord, and that's why we're running a cord. There is no question about it. However, if you're more into the swirliness than the actual sound quality and what the engineer and artist had in mind, then you may like that.

I remember my very first system was a quad system. That's how old I am. Yeah, you and me, man. 1800 LP quad quad amplifier and four Sansui speakers and stuff was coming at me from every angle I had no idea what I was doing but hey I was having a good time

listening to unfocused music I just didn't know what I was doing but I enjoyed it and all of a sudden I went over to a buddy of mine's house who had an old Macintosh amplifier and a couple of huge Bozak speakers. This was like a throwback system. And he said, young man, let me show you what this stuff is really supposed to sound like.

Yeah, I was young back then. I was like 18. And so I sat down and he put me on a classical piece. I'm not a classical listener at 18. I wanted to listen to Rush. But he puts his classical piece on and I'm going, oh, my God, that is the most beautiful thing I have ever heard in my entire life. And then he said, do you see how the flute section sounds like it's two rows back and they're going all across the soundstage? And I'm going, yeah, I do. I do see that. He's going, well, do you hear the timpanis?

And you can tell they're another 15 feet back. And I'm going, yes, I do. And he says, so now the solo violin is going to come out in just a second. He's going to be dead center in front of everybody else. And so I started listening to this thing. It's the most real thing that I've ever heard in my life. I immediately became hooked and tried to learn every single thing that I could about electronics and speakers and placement. My dad and I built a couple of amps and a couple of preamps. I could kind of understand what's going on inside of this stuff.

And it just became a real love of mine. But my particular love was trying to reproduce or recreate a performance. And I realized that could never be done in quad. Not unless you're doing something like Pink Floyd or something where you're, things aren't real. So much stuff isn't real you're going okay i dig that but like when it comes to like real music give me a good two channel system any day and this is a discussion we're having online some people that like the new spatial announcements and they were claiming that there's multi-tracks they're taking those

multi-tracks and putting them through the spatial and that puts them everywhere and you're correcting uh people and saying no it when it comes to you guys it's two tracks when it comes to everybody's two tracks from the studio there's no like on my drums up here i've got let's see one two three four five six seven mics. That would be what your friend would be. Yeah, yeah. There's a board, and you've got all the levers there. But in the end, when it's put on the tape.

It's two-channel recording. Yeah. We take all of those microphones. We just get the levels right and the sound. This SM57 on a snare, you want that thing sharp and tight and quick. But the big SM on the bass drum, it's for bottom. So you want to make everything sound the same. So your friend that was talking about people have been making multi-track recordings for years. So this whole Apple thing is perfectly logical.

I'm going, dude, you're getting multi-channel and multi-track mixed up yeah multi-track for 60 years 70 years now yeah even they even the beatles at least had a four-track going on i think some of it was a mono actually originally a lot of people don't even understand how the whole concept of recording music works and unless you've sat down with a board or understood a board you don't really get it There were some comparisons to spatial being like a movie theater where it's that same quadrophenic effect that you were having where you're in a theater and it's being pumped through different sounds and it's coming in through different angles.

But a lot of that's an EQ sort of manipulation. If I have headphones, if I'm in a movie theater, that's a little bit different because it's a large space and there's going to be bouncing off and everything. But if I have headphones or earphones, there's only two speakers in here. If you give me spatial, there's not like 50 speakers inside of here that it's going to be utilizing. It's just screwing with the sound, really, when it comes down to it, like an EQ. Am I wrong? eq am i wrong i think some some headphones have got multi drivers in them but mostly right it's done mostly with a dsp digital uh signal processing yeah so you're screwing with it so you're

manipulating the sound you're taking the original pure the pure of course a lot of these services that we're talking about was spatial i think there's just one right now they're not even delivering at the highest rate of audio and not even the bluetooth devices that they're selling will deliver at the highest rate of audio in fact they tell you that and but that's not what they're going for apple is counting that and they're right they're they're absolutely right they're counting on people being more impressed with the thrills than the real thing that's a solid marketing plan. Apple's not stupid. So if you took, there's this guy out there that takes 16-bit recordings and turns them into 24, not 192, or he takes 24, 192 recordings and turns them into 16-bit and goes, okay,

now tell me if you can hear the difference. And a lot of people cannot hear the difference. Really? Once it's recorded, which is the most important thing, and you drop it down a little bit, most people aren't going to be able to tell. My contention is why would you even do that? 1644, honestly, it's not even a real format anymore. What does 1644 go on to?

Why is it even discussed anymore because it's not as good as 24 it's old technology it's old technology because you had to fit that's all a 24-bit file at 44.1 would not fit onto a disc so they had to go okay what are we going to do we're going to take it down to to 16-bit which to your point, is a little like a color printer, right? In fact, the numbers line up about the same. Like a 16-bit recording will give you 65,536 different voltages that ones or zeros can line up along the wavelength, right? Once you go to a 4K or a better printer, right, you start dealing with millions of colors. That's the kind of thing that, the same kind of thing.

You're dealing like with a 24-bit recording, instead of 65,536 different places, you're dealing with over a million places that you can place the value on the wavelength. And I want to forget to mention this. One of the things I love about the CoBuzz app is the app is I can download the music for offline listening, which is really awesome because then I don't have to pay the data fees when I go on a drive or I go traveling or something. They're on my phone and I can, and they're at the highest bit possible if I tell

the settings to do that. So I love that. Yeah, that's what I do too. I record, I don't record anything over 2496 on a cell phone. You can choose what you record, what flavor you record in. And the reason I don't go any over 2496 is because nothing will play it. Oh really? I go, look, let's just stop it at 2496 because nothing will play it anyway. And let me be like super frank with you. If you're like in a car environment or a plane environment, you're not here in high res anyway. There's too much. There's just too much noise around to do it. But I'm a dweeb when it comes to the files that I listen to.

So if it's available in a high res format, I'm going to download it in a high res format. I think they're 1644.'ll download it in 1644. I think there was some sort of new app or some sort of new driver that was coming out that could give Android the jack-up when it comes out of the thing. I don't know. I'll have to look into that.

We were just having a meeting about this the day before yesterday, a company-wide meeting, and I think the latest thing is that there's a new one coming out that'll do 2496, and they're really working on trying to get it to go higher than that. But honestly, if you're dealing with 2496 on a cell phone, you're doing pretty darn good. The other thing is you're driving down the road, you can't wear headphones. What you don't want to do is you don't want to buy a service for your lowest resolution listening so even if you can't hear high resolution in the car i sure can't hear it here oh yeah so i listen to it like on my icons and i mean it's so night and

day and if you want to hear a couple of recordings that absolutely you hear the difference between 1644 and 24192 i got a couple for you one of them was recorded in 1956 and it was released in 1957 it's a gentleman named illinois jackett he's got a an album out called the swing of. I think it's the second or third tune. It's Harlem Nocturne. We've got that available in 1644 and then in 24192. Here's the cool thing. Before I started with Kobux, I was buying all kinds of high-resolution audio to store on my hardcover.

Flax? Yeah. So I bought this file, but I bought it for like 50 bucks. It was a pretty expensive record for being a mono record at 24-192, which sounds almost silly. But when you listen to the difference between the 16-bit track, and you can just do this right on Qobuz. Listen to the difference between the 16-bit track and the 24-192 track. And it is absolutely a totally different experience if you're listening to it on a good hi-fi. And this is what I encourage people to do.

They can, I think, do you guys, Qobuz offers to get to test out the service for free sort of thing? You guys offer that? Seven days or something? 30 days? I don't remember. 30 days. So I encourage people to go sign up for the service. Check it out. Start looking at these data points. Is this a 1644? And the great thing about your service is you're really upfront about it because you want to educate people. You want to know what they're paying for and what they're getting. And there's lots of different versions you offer. So they can look at the 1644.

And honestly, and it doesn't take expensive DACs. It doesn't take expensive headphones. You can hear. It's like night and day. Like I went and tested out a recent service that has Spatial that is fruity. I'll say that. I was listening to their file of some Steely Dan and usually one of the favorite files that I tested. I took this from the speaker testing review blog.

And they love the file, the Steely Dan album. Man, I can't. I just went right out my window. Asia is, of course, a great recording. Probably Gaucho or Asia. Gaucho or Asia are great recordings, but one of the most sonic, beautiful recordings that they did, I hate to throw Bill under the bus here,

but it was just a timely thing. The Jack of Speed. There's a Jack of Speed. It's off of the album that Steely Dan, Jack of Speed. If you get a chance to listen to Jack of Speed, it's just sonically album that steely dan jack of speed if you get a chance to listen jack of speed it's just sonically beautiful from steely dan and i actually use that when i do a lot of my testing because i these guys some a lot jack of speed off of two against nature you hit it that is the album i was actually talking about yeah yeah talking about another one to the illinois jackette but

that the one that you just mentioned oh you can't you just mentioned, oh, you can't see that. Yeah. Yeah, you can't see that. It's, yeah, Two Against Nature. The tune I like to, Jack of Speed is great. The one that I use for that particular demo,

if you want to hear what you can buy in $16.44 and then what you can get in high res, I think it's $24.96, is Janie Runaway. Janie Runaway? Yeah, so if you listen to those two side by side, you will not have to ask why we do high resolution. But I do want to say, record companies, they're all about making money. Oh, yeah.

And I don't want to overstate high resolution that shouldn't be overstated. We've got quite a few albums that were recorded in high res or turned into high res. Maybe some of the older recordings that are OK. They're not that great. They're just OK. And in some instances, you go, why did they even bother? They bothered because they wanted to sell more records or whatever some records just don't need to be up sampled or reconverted or re-taped just because the album

wasn't recorded that great to begin with so in those instances almost always i look at those as oh okay got it this is a marketing thing but then you look at that at other stuff like the the steely dan that we were just talking about or the or the illinois jacket that i was just talking about and there are thousands and thousands more those are just a couple of examples all of a sudden you start going oh there is there really is something to this if you want the very best sound quality but if i'm expecting every single 24 bit file to sound awesome totally unrealistic expectations what you can expect is there's a whole lot of good ones thousands of really good ones but i think the better point is that about 90 of everything that we're getting today from record labels

is in their native format. It's in the native file format that they recorded it in. So some of them are recorded in 2448, some 24192, and everything in between. But the really cool thing is all of the recordings that we're getting these days, these high-resolution recordings, are better than anything that's ever been recorded. Ever. So I encourage people to sit down, start educating yourself. Understand what lossless is.

Understand what bit perfect is. Understand what these differences between 16-bit, 24-bit, these resolutions. And like I said, they can use the CodeBiz service. You can go on there, and you can do the comparisons. And it's like a canyon. Like my friend who was calling me out the other day, we went and looked at the Spatial Fruity Music Service. I listened to their file, and to my ears,

it was like listening to something in a trash can. It was like I threw a Steely Dan boombox in a trash can and was listening to it out of that thing. And then I went, hmm? It's diffused. That's a fairly accurate description. it dude it was like muffled too it was like really awful and then i went to cobus and loaded up the highest thing that i could get and it was just beautiful it it is distinguishable i don't know the grand canyon it's not even close

it's not you're like oh i think i can heal the drums a little bit better no it's like listening to something i don't know that's coming out of a trash can to something that's really high res. And you're paying almost the same price for it. And that's where the real value is in understanding this is. And I'm a music lover. I'll give a shout out plug, the headphones we always use, Master Dynamics. Oh, I love those. That's what I use for my, in the studio and anytime I'm playing my drums, those are my headphones. Yeah. In fact, the ones I fell in love with are the original ones, the MH40s.

That's what I still got. Yeah. The spectrum's on them, and I keep threatening the CEO, who's always wonderful to us and shares the headphones with us, and we use them on the show all the time. I keep telling him, I'm like, this is the spectrum out of all your headphones. I love the best. Please don't ever change these. And I can hear through high-quality music, I can hear the different things, and I can isolate them.

So if I want to focus in on that snare, if I want to focus in on the keyboards or whatever, the layers and design that he put in them are amazing. They're only like $249, I think, now is the price range. I think when I first started getting into there, like $400 or $500. Yeah. I think it's one of the best values in headphones. For the price point? Holy crap.

Yeah. Yeah. And what was funny was the original ones are around here somewhere. I had the original ones. And I had them for six or seven years. And I was still wearing them. And I think the acid from my skin had peeled off some of the glue. And so I wrote them for six or seven years and I was still wearing them. And I think the acid from my skin had peeled off some of the glue. And so I wrote him and I said, hey, man, can we get these replaced?

And he's like, yeah, we'll hook you up. He's like, those are still going? Same thing with Vonitoo. I don't know if you're familiar with Vonitoo speakers, but we ran the Vonitoo speakers for seven years. And then they came and said, hey, can you send those? And they're like, are those still running for you? And I'm like, yeah, man, they're running like charms. But you can hear the quality, and it's so important.

And if you're an audiophile or you just enjoy good music, I would say you need to check this stuff out. You need to learn this stuff. Really, what we should have done was got Neil Young to come on here and start screaming about MP3s. Remember that back in the day? Neil's actually a big fan of Copa. Is he? Oh, that's right. He pulled everything off of Tide and put it on you guys.

Yeah, yeah. Neil is a neat guy. But, yeah, he's probably the one artist that has advocated for high res more than anybody else. Even when Pono went away, when that was kind of a disaster ending, it wasn't like he was doing this just to sell Pono. He continued the whole high-resolution thing. So he's a real believer. Great guy. We had Phil Baker, his CEO on the show not too long ago.

Really neat guy. Yeah. This guy, he makes great music. And when you put as much work and love and sweat and toil into making great music, I'm a Neil Young fan. I'm sure you are. You want people to listen to the press forum. You don't want them to listen to your sound out of a garbage can.

I listened to Neil Young live at Massey Hall. He did that in 1971. He was 22 years old and is one of the most awe-inspiring recordings that you will ever hear. But all Neil's stuff has always sounded great. He was a real stickler for being in the studio, helping the engineers, letting them know exactly what he wanted. And you can imagine Neil, he's probably not a hold-back kind of a guy.

He's probably going to tell you what he thinks, right? Yeah. I was trying to get Bill to tell me some of the stories of the shenanigans of Donald Fagan and what's his face? I'm Steely Dan. And he's like, yeah, I don't kiss and tell. I'm not going to tell you the stories. I'm like, come on, man.

I don't want to hear the stories. Because he's always up to something. You would get sick of him because they'd be tricking people and messing with things and mucking about. He's just got some of the best stories. If you guys aren't familiar with it i think chris did a show with bill he's got a book called chairman at the board and it it talked about a page turner oh god can't put it down it's one cool story after another yeah he's got probably more he could tell and i said you need to write a book that's a tell-all like i don't know all the dirty secrets between barbara streisand that you're recorded for whitney houston he was

the first on the first whitney houston album and then the the bodyguard and so many so many great things i think i asked him on the show so who was so what was her you're so vain that that big carly simon and we just had so much fun i couldn't even do an hour show That was one of his, that Carly Simon. And we just had so much fun. I couldn't even do an hour show. I was going through his library on his wiki. I'm just like, oh my God, where do we start? Where do we end? It's just pinched me. And so his stories just, I wish he'd tell them all, but I really encourage people to get to know you guys. The sad part is with big marketing and big dollars and stuff, you guys just, you guys are that underdog that kind of just goes, hey, we're putting out high quality stuff and we're just going to do our thing over here. And yeah, you

should probably come try us out and whatever. It's so important that people understand some of these different marketing spins around the market, like spatial. And I can take a 1644 file, which is, it's a 360 TV, 720 maybe. And I can run it through an EQ, an equalizer, 24, 12, take your pick. And I can make it sound a lot better. But I'm manipulating the sound, but I'm still sourcing from a low-quality file, really, when it comes down to it. Why don't you just go get a really good file? And if you want to EQ that, then you can do that too, if you really knew that.

But you're probably going to start messing stuff up. That's the way we think about it and certainly hope you guys decide to join us at CoBuzz and the main thing is I sincerely, whatever music service you end up choosing just have a great time. To me it's not

something to throw a stake in the earth and fight about. It's just have a good time you guys don't have to fight you guys just remember the highest quality so you're just like we're here you whatever you want to come around but yeah i it really i really think people if you really love music if you're a young person nowadays you want the highest quality music it makes all the difference i promise you and you don't even have to have expensive headphones like i've had people say to me you probably have to have 500 headphones. Like I've had people say to me, well, you probably have to have $500 headphones, Chris, to really hear the

sound quality. No, man, I can tell. I can probably tell across Bluetooth. I don't spend a lot of time trying, but it makes a difference. And if you really love music, you love great sound, or if you're just paying for something, if you can pay the same price for chopped liver or for prime rib, what should you rather have? Maybe there's somebody who really likes chopped liver, like my dogs or something. But I'm sure my dogs would go for prime rib too. Get the highest quality you want, but learn some of these different things. What is lossless? What are flack files? MQA was something I got into and looked at. But when you understand the software that has to be involved and there's a folding, and there is a bit of loss, I believe, in MQA,

if I understand. I think they claim there's not, but there has to be. You can't fold and unfold without having loss. I don't know. You kind of can. FLAC is folding and unfolding without loss. MQA, they've got a little different process. Bob's a brilliant guy.

It's not really my thing, but it's another thing to have to choose between. Really swear by it. Yeah. I thought I did at first because I'm like, this is really cool. I like this. And so I started really comparing your guys' thing. One thing I want to give a shout out to, and I think they've been on your show, is Rune Labs. And Rune's been on your show talking about their stuff.

We want to get Sonos in after this too, by the way, because you guys have an edge that no one has with them. But with Rune Labs, you can load up the title and you can load up Qobuz. You can see the differences. And if you've got a good MQA decoder, you can get some from IFI Audio. I'll plug them again.

But you want a good decoder. There's two different types. There's a decoder, I think, and there's something else. I have two ones and they do two different things. One only unfolds two parts of the three and one does all three. But you can go in and you can compare these files side by side. And the beautiful thing about RuneLabs and the Rune system is it makes sure that you have the drivers, the IFI will make sure you have the drivers so that you're getting that bit perfect thing all through your system. It's going to come out the other side. And of course you want to go into your sound settings and thing, but let's talk about

Sonos because Sonos has got a thing with you guys. It's really unique. And a lot of my tech friends, they love Sonos. I'm a big fan about blue sound, but Sonos is also good we reviewed them on the chris fa show yeah i like i like them i've got them both i've got a i've got a node in my studio right next to my drums and i've got nothing like seven zones of sonos because i've been dealing with sonos they were the first so in my kitchen with the speakers way up and my bathroom and different places like that on my back porch got a lot of sonos around when i want to step up i start going with blue sound or i've got a pie in here that's really cool and something that you are going to absolutely love i just got this in i haven't even had a chance to hook it up but this company is just incredibly cool they're called hi-fi rose have you seen those it's kind of dinging a bell but i'm not really sure really cool stuff it's like an amplifier

integrated amplifier with a streamer built in but the streamer screen is like oh yeah it's long and and wide is the whole unit and it's all touch screen so i'm really looking forward to to whipping that out i got a couple martin logan motion 40s upstairs that i'm gonna that i'm gonna hook that up too so you just got like this whole all-in-one system right it's all you need to repair a pair of speakers so what's the deal with you guys and and sonos that makes it so special the thing about sonos is we're the first we're the first people to offer high resolution on sonos up to 24 48 and it just makes it sound better here's the here's the deal with most sonos users like 95 of them they're all dealing with mp3 almost everybody on sonos is listening to 320 kilobits and below.

And they're buying these expensive speakers. Well, kind of, except they don't even know that their system, Sonos has always been able to do 1640p. So when I was a kid, when I was starting with Sonos, I would burn all my CDs into a hard drive and then play them

back through Sonos 1644 as opposed to compress them like some of the other services are. But that's a terrific little setup if you're not interested in super high-res stuff. But your Sonos stuff, if it's Series 2,

what do they call it? It's not Series 2. That's Sonos? Yeah. I'm not sure. I can't remember. I haven't gotten their newest ones yet. I think we got one last year. That one was 2448.

So, yeah. Yeah. We're offering the best sound on Sonos that Sonos can possibly deliver. So, here's the sales pitch. If you really want to enjoy your Sonos speakers, you've got to have a Qobuz. Yeah, unless you're dealing with some of their lower end speakers, then it just honestly. Dolby Atmos. And that's one thing that Sonos added. In fact, I've got to make contact with them to get another unit. I think we got a

review out of them about a year or so ago, right before the coronavirus. Is Dolby Atmos, that's another thing that's been running around with the spatial conversation. How really good of that is, I have it on my computer. It's noticeable if I use it with games that run Dolby Atmos. Oh, yeah. You've got to have it. Yeah. To me, it is still a bit of an equalization. Am I wrong or am I, where am I?

No, it's not equalization. It's literally sounds recorded from, like Atmos most they literally record things back here that are back there that all comes from the foley experience about foley studios right no like nothing in movies is real nothing if you really if you hear a car door slam it is not oh you're talking yeah okay those are the guys that they make the sounds they're not walking across gravel someone else is there so movies are totally different and not real-time performance like music so for movies for games for things like that man the atlas thing is like way cool but in music if you throw a pair of bongos over my right ear i'm gonna throw

something at you that's not where the bongos belong they belong in front of me i want to be up close and personal with the performance but i don't want to be in the middle of the band that's not realistic it's crazy and that's the way from my experience that's the way about 90 of the stuff is mixed the engineers don't have any clue how to really mix this. It's mixed terribly. And nothing really, to me, sounds real. Not music-wise. That's totally different than if I'm watching some kind of an action adventure

and I've got helicopters flying over my head and bullets whizzing past my shoulders. It's a different thing. It's great for movies and gaming, but it's not the purity of sound for music because that's not the way music was recorded. It's not my thing, but just like quad, it's going to take a whole lot of people and they'll go,

Hey, wow, I really dig this. Hey, what would happen? Chris, if all of a sudden they started mixing correctly, mixing music correctly with Dolby Atmos? No telling what's going to happen in the future. If it were me doing the mixing,

I would be going more for an ambience rather than direct sounds. So if you're listening to an orchestra, let's say, you're're in a room there's all kinds of reflections that are happening behind you so if you could capture those reflections and that decay of those reflections the same way the room does you know and it's actually in high resolution who knows maybe that's going to sound incredible i understand steve wilson is doing some stuff that's that sounds pretty good i'm really interested to hear it because i haven't heard any of his stuff but i'm a huge fan so you know there's no telling where it's going to go in the future i'm sure it's going to get better because isn't the problem though it's got to be recorded

for dolby atmos decoding steely dan didn't record in Dolby Atmos. No. So what am I getting if I'm listening to Steely Dan through? Yeah. Now, what will it do? It will make it sound swirly, and you'll get some stuff back here. Another thing it'll do is defocus your center. Right? So if Donald Fagan is singing just right of stage, and that's where they've got him panned,

that's exactly what it's going to sound like. And he is there, and it should be an absolute pinpoint where it is. You should be able to point at this guy, as opposed to now you've got all of this swirly stuff, and now Donald Fagan doesn't really sound like it's coming from here. It sounds like it's coming from here. Well, my mouth isn't that big. My mouth is that big, and that's the way i want to hear it there was uh something i listened to the other day and i never ever heard it before and this

is the thing i've loved about how all these different companies you've introduced me to over the years and higher quality is just more and more i hear sound that i've never heard before yeah it's just beautiful and i've listened to tracks like Steely Dan and Rush. I've probably listened to them 10 billion times. And to get on Co-Buzz and hook up a beautiful DAC and not too low of expensive headphones and really listen to them, I've heard stuff I've never heard before. The other day, I don't know who it was. I think it was Dire Straits or Mark Knopfler. It might have been something off.

It might have been Sultans of Swing. But I literally, for the first time, I realized there was two different guitar tracks playing. And they had one on each channel, I mean, each year. And I never made that distinction until I started looking at my files and upgrading. Because I went through Rune. I went through your guys' stuff. And I threw out my old crap that I had from CDs that I had burned off. And so I was going through

this stuff and I don't remember which track it was. I'm pretty sure it's the Dire Straits, but I never heard that there was two guitar parts. Normally when I would hear them, they would be overlaid. And so they would come at you straight as one or as a blended thing. But for the first time I heard one was in one ear and one was in the other. And I'm like, holy crap. You just hear stuff that you're just blown away and just go, oh, wow. For the first time I heard one was in one ear and one was in the other. And I'm like, holy crap. You just hear stuff that you're just blown away. And you just go, oh, wow. For the first time, like you guys, between you guys, Rune and IFI Audio, you guys made me fall in love with my music all over again.

Because I just played it in the ground. And so now I love it. It's so nice to hear. Oh, dude. And you're talking, I've been doing that for 40 years or 50 years listening to music. There's nothing that I would rather hear more. It's certainly that way with so many people. I hear that all the time.

I'm just rediscovering my music or I'm getting to hear all of this new killer music that's coming out or I hate the new music, I'm just going to play mine. Yeah, and getting it in the high resolution, you've brought all that forward and out, not forward in the sound spectrum stage. But I can hear the timbales, I can hear little touches, I can hear maybe someone teeing on the, you know what I'm talking about, the little teeing sound.

You'll have to do this one at some point when you have a chance, but Dan, Makta, and myself, he's our managing director and just all-around great guy. Super music lover. We sat down. We were at a store before the pandemic. And I'm going, I just want you to hear something. We sat down. And it was about a $100,000 system.

I won't even tell you what it was. We sat down, and I put on the low spark of High Hill Boys. Traffic. Yeah. And we were sitting there. It's the first time either one of us heard that particular album on CoBuzz. Through a system like this,

we were going, I didn't even know that was there. I've never heard that, whatever that thing was before. Maybe it was a harmonic or something, but I'd never heard that thing before. So we sit down in the middle of the showroom it wasn't in the middle of the showroom so it was in a it was in a room but we kind of sort of occupied the room for the next hour and

a half just sitting down listening to stuff on this album that we had never really heard before yeah and it's you guys have just taken my music and just brought it forward and of course i for a lot of years i just had the old crap files the first thing i did was i had the cds and a lot of people don't realize when the albums first came out they would have they'd have to eq and manipulate the albums to to get the sound onto the wax platters every album yeah and they literally took that same spectrum when cds first came out and they market them like hey this will be much better and higher i don't know if they i don't remember if they mark about higher resolution but they were like it's better there's more data that can go on them but they literally just took for the first run for i don't know 10 12 years they literally

just took those messed up eq files that they had saved off the lps or jacked down for the lp and just threw them on the cd and then eventually they had to come out LPs or jacked down for the LP and just threw them on the CD. And then eventually they had to come out with the remasters and stuff. But learning about all this stuff is really important because it is like night and day. Some of our friends that I've been talking to online, I'm going to be taking my laptop up with them with my Qobuz and my DAC and my not overly expensive headphones. And I'm going to, it's going gonna be like night and day like night and day between the two because i can hear it wait to hear the report yeah and i have tinnitus that's why chris and i are actually on this whole i'm gonna film it that's what i'm gonna do i'm gonna

film it chris and i were on this thread together and this is where this whole live stream came from we're going we really just need to dispel some myths. No, Bluetooth is not resolution. And it's okay to like what you like. That's the one thing that kind of bothers me more than anything else. I don't care if you like our service or whoever's service. There's not

a fight. There shouldn't be a fight. I just don't get it. I think there should be a fight. You can play nice. I'm not going to get it. I think there should be a fight. You can play nice. I'm not going to play nice. I make shivs for my resume. Keybones work better than the ribeye, and I will kick your ass if you say otherwise. That's a flavor thing. This is the difference between a prime rib and, I don't know, some roadkill or something you find on the road.

That's what this difference is. Dude, you can hear the sound. And I really encourage people, like, do your research. Don't believe us. Go sign up for a test drive of a Qobuz. Start Googling what does lossless mean? What does bit perfect mean? What is 1644?

Why is this important? And then do the A, B, take two of the files, compare them. And you don't even have to have an expensive headset headphones you don't have to have 18 16 2400 dac i don't know how much this i think it's that's very hard you don't you can hear it it's that it's like trash can music to beautiful music and you know what the artist will thank you too because the artist doesn't want you. They work so hard for that stuff. Neil Young.

I should put a cut in here while he's saying, um, sorry, Neil Young, my bad. But yeah, he, I remember him barking about that on Pono.

Is there anything more you want to plug out on Cobas so we can get people to quit subscribing to these other services? Yeah. Come on over. Check us out. It's 30 days free what do you have to lose i will say that we if you are into this thing and you want to be in a community that that loves music just as much as you do when you hop on co-buzz if you like

it join us at streaming music matters on facebook that's my fanboy page of CoBuzz, but it's not all about CoBuzz. I put all kinds of articles and pictures. We share a lot of music together, and then we answer a lot of questions as well. So hop over and join us. We're there for you, and I actually enjoy it. I love the back and forth with the people that want to talk music or dax or whatever it's just it's a lot of fun but yeah it's just it's fun come join us we have a good time over there yeah i love it too it's good to it's good to swim in the pool of stuff literally i'm not kidding you i probably should start the show with this but literally after 40 years of playing ad nauseum steely dan metallica rush which are some of my top

bands journey. I think it'd be a fourth. I, and, and all my music, I played it all. And I'm one of those guys that I'm still stuck in that, whatever I am. I remember the models used to come into my house when I had my modeling agency and they'd look at my CD collection, like 4,000 CDs and they go, you're a butt rocker, aren't you? Which I guess refers to the long hair from the nineties, like Cinderella and stuff. When they first told me that, I was like, what the hell? But I'm still stuck in that area, and I'm proud of it, darn it.

Led Zeppelin, Jimi Hendrix was a god. Stevie Ray Vaughan, you name it. Even going back to Muddy Waters and some of those guys, sadly, they didn't have really high-quality recording stuff, but the fact that they put out such beautiful music with what they had is just incredible. So I encourage everyone to go learn, go see what's going on.

Don't buy the marketing hype and spin of anyone. Go back and learn. And the beautiful part about Qobuz is you can go on, you can see different albums that were recorded with different resolutions, and you can compare them and compare apples, do an A-B test. And if you're going to pay for something, get the best. So you want $30,000 for that Mercedes, or I can give you $30,000 for that Yugo over there?

Get the Mercedes. Don't be a sucker. Anyway, so that is that. So give us your plugs, David, where people can find CoBuzz on the interwebs. CoBuzz.com, and that's where we are on all social. And I'm at Streaming Music Matters and Cobuzz Social. So come on over and join us if you want to hear what we're all about.

I think you'll like it. There you go. As Neil Young would say, keep on rocking in a free world. That's my favorite Neil Young track of all time. The live version, which is really raw. Yeah. That's my favorite Neil Young. Anyway, thanks, my audience, for tuning in.

We've seen a lot of people on LinkedIn saying hello. So be sure to check them out, guys. I love Qobuz. They're just wonderful. They have all the great stuff, too, that all the other services have, where they serve you playlists and different things. You know, you like soul music, blues. They got all that stuff there.

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Thanks to my great friend, David, for coming on the show today. We certainly appreciate you, David. Thank you very much. It's been a pleasure. Thanks for having me, Chris. There you go. Thanks, guys. Check it out.

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