The Chris Voss Show - The Chris Voss Show Podcast – Relive Your Memories with the Nostalgia-Driven Trippz App

Episode Date: September 24, 2025

Relive Your Memories with the Nostalgia-Driven Trippz App Gettrippz.com About the Guest(s): Ebrima Jallow is the founder and CEO of Trippz (stylized as T-R-I-P-P-Z), a nostalgia-driven social platform. With over a decade of experience in product development, Jallow has worked at the convergence of users and builders to transform ideas into meaningful products. Before launching Trippzs, he honed his skills as a business analyst and product owner, focusing on user experience design. Jallow's mission is to create a digital space where memories connect and inspire across generations, steering away from fleeting trends toward lasting innovation. Episode Summary: In this engaging episode of The Chris Voss Show, host Chris Voss talks with Ebrima Jallow, the visionary founder of Trippz. The conversation delves into the core philosophy behind Trippz, a social platform designed to relive cherished memories. Drawing from his passion for history and nostalgia, Jallow shares the journey from idea conception to app creation, highlighting the hurdles overcome through perseverance and a commitment to innovation. Listeners are ushered into a world that bridges generations through remembered moments, offering a unique avenue for digital interaction. Throughout the episode, themes of nostalgia, innovation, and perseverance weave a compelling narrative. Ebrima Jallow candidly discusses the challenges of bootstrapping Trippz while balancing a full-time job, emphasizing the importance of user experience design and meaningful product development. With enriching anecdotes and reflective insights, the episode explores the intersection of past and present, and how Trippz seeks to redefine social engagement through memory-sharing. The dialogue is peppered with personal reminiscences, inspiring entrepreneurs and nostalgia enthusiasts alike to celebrate the moments that shaped them. Key Takeaways: Importance of Nostalgia: Jallow designed Trippz to focus on nostalgia, offering a space for users to relive and share memories, enhancing meaningful connections across generations. User-Centric Design: The app emphasizes intuitive user experience, encouraging integration rather than over-complicating features. Entrepreneurial Journey: The path from concept to execution in app development is fraught with challenges, needing perseverance, especially when managing a full-time job concurrently. Advertising Innovation: Trippz aims to revolutionize digital advertising by integrating ads as part of the user experience rather than as disruptive elements. Historical Reflection: The episode highlights the significance of learning from history and past experiences to build a future grounded in connection and inspiration. Notable Quotes: "Imagine Trippz as your platform to come in and relieve your good old days, your golden days, right?" - Ebrima Jallow "Real innovation isn't just about the next shiny thing. It's about building something that lasts." - Ebrima Jallow "Nostalgia driven marketing is a thing. Every corporation is trying to play off our fond memory of something." - Ebrima Jallow "To survive is to find meaning within the suffering." - Ebrima Jallow, quoting DMX "As long as I can move, as long as I can fight, I'll do it." - Chris Voss

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and we're going to be talking about his app and everything else. He is the founder and CEO of Trips with a Z at the N-T-R-I-P-P-Z. It's a nostalgia-driven social platform that helps relive and share meaningful memories across generations. With over a decade in product development, he's worked at the intersection of users and builders, learning how ideas become products that truly touch lives. He's been bootstrapping it while working full-time in the late nights and weekends into a mission to create a platform that doesn't chase fleeting trends but celebrates the moments, the shape who we are.

He believes real innovation isn't just about the next shiny thing. It's about building something that lasts. Trips is his answer, proving that even in the fast-moving world, memories still have the power to connect and inspire. Welcome the show, Mr. Jal. How are you? Not too bad. Chris, you know, that intro, the energy level, and I can't match it.

I'm sorry. You would just have to stick with my semi. We put a shocker underneath your chair, so we're just going to push the button to jump you up in energy there as you go. So welcome the show. Give us dot com. So wherever you want people to find you on the interwebs. So Facebook, I think we're on live right now. I'm on LinkedIn as well.

I'm on Twitter, Fulani dude, Fulani, Fulani, Fulani, N-I, Instagram, Fulani, dude, as well. Yeah, you can find me in those platforms. So give us a 30,000 overview of what this app is and what it does. I think you pretty much nailed it. I don't even think I can do a better job than you, but let me try. Imagine trips as your platform to come in and relieve your good old days, your golden days, right? With the people that you grow up with, with people that, you know,

where you have fun memories with, just really. in those memories and not just archiving, but you can kind of revisit every part of your life that you miss, things that how many times have you been driving in a car and a particular song come on and you're like, man, I remember exactly where I was when the song came on, you know, or movies that you cannot forget, sports moments that you just cannot get your head, get out of your head. So it's a matter of just coming in and reliving the things that matter to you most. And it goes across different things, not just music or sports or movies. It goes into any kind of memory that you can put your mind on. So you, tell us the story of this app. You, and who's,

I should probably, let's change up on that question because we want to depth that, pull in the app a little bit. Who's the, who's the key user you're targeting with the app? Who's the, who's the main people that are going to, you know, really find this app, really exciting to use? Yeah, great question. I think the way I look at the app, right, the person that's 40 years old versus the person that's 20 years old, they have two different memory banks, right? So the person that live to 40

obviously have a lot of memories in their memory bank and the person that just lived for 20 years. Now, the person that's also 20 years can probably start thinking about life when they were 15 years old, when they were 13 years old. So it's pretty much for, there's really not a whole lot of age specific

in its nature, but it's just more like who is able to, you know, think back a little bit and some of us experience mid-level nostalgia, some of us experience peak level of nostalgia, right? If you're a college student and you graduated at 22, you start to think back to your high school days. If you're 30-year-old, you know, you start to think back to your 20-year-old days, you know, so it's pretty much for anybody that have whose memory bank have grown enough to say, man, I miss the good old days. The good old days. Isn't there a song that says the good old day?

It's Billy Joel. The good old days weren't always good. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. And that point right there that you just brought up. People always, I think us as humans, right, we always kind of our natural inclination when things around us start to move too fast or we don't recognize the present anymore. we start to revert to oh man I missed the good old days

but if you really think about it Chris there's not a lot the good old days were not really all that good right future is always better whether there's advancement in technology whether there's advancement in health advancement in life expectancy food food maybe maybe that might be a little too stretch

stretching it too far the foods back there might be better than today because there's more. They were. They weren't filled with sugar and the, what's a thing, the corn syrup? Yeah. High fructose corn syrup. They even put high fructose corn syrup and corn syrup. Exactly. Yeah. So the point I was

trying to make is that we are always reverting back to the days we call it when times were simple, right? 20 years from now, this era would be seen as simple too. Right? That's kind of, It's a funny thing always as humans. We always say, man, I missed the good old days.

I miss the simpler times. But that's a very natural inclination because things around us, we don't recognize it anymore. So you are logically, you know, revert it back to your comfort zone. And so people can download the app. It's available on iTunes and Android. iOS, Apple, and Android, correct. It's the R-I-P-P-Z. So what was the proponent for this idea?

What made you have that aha moment where you're like, there needs to be an app for this nostalgia? Right. So I'm a kind of person, right? Ever since I was a kid, I've always been very interested in things that happened before me. I've built that, you know, and that kind of spans over time, right?

I was probably about 10, 12 years old. I was listening to music. that was 20 years behind me and not just music but I've also been interested in the old world I saw you interview

David Rubinstein Oh yeah That's one of my favorite CEOs Right I have four favorite CEOs That's Jeff Bezos Rubinstein Reed

Reid Hoffman from LinkedIn and Reed Hastings from Netflix Oh yeah So David Rubinstein When I was looking at kind of the people that you've interviewed before me to kind of just understand the flow. Rubin's and I'm like, wow, that's my guy. But he is the one that bought the Magna Carta document from

the 1100s, right? I was doing research back then in 2007 or 08 and I ran into that. And why would I do a research about Magna Carta? Something that happened in the 12th century, right? But that's kind of how I always operate from way back. I've been interested about things. You know, I look at, I look at what life is today. And then I ask the question, what was it like before today? Right. And so I spent a lot of time on YouTube looking at things that I was fond of in the 90s, early 2000s, whether that's or whether that's sports or film. And then one day, you know, I spent a lot more time than I should, you know. And that's not just YouTube, I'm always going back on many different platforms and looking at things from a historical perspective. So one day I talked to myself like, wouldn't it be good

if I can just have a, if there's a platform, not me, but if there was a platform where you wanted to revisit anything, you can find it, right? Because if you go to Facebook today, they have the Facebook memory a picture like two years ago and today is the anniversary it will say hey you know on this day you took this picture right but that's just one feature

Reddit or if you go to Pinterest or TikTok or Instagram it's fragmented it's not the experience is just not uniform so then naturally this is one of those where you know I was trained to

if you're going to bring up an idea it should be based on people said they need it. It would also be based on you actually need it. So this trip's idea is something that I thought I needed, right? It was out of my own need, right? And then, you know, the benefit of it was, you know, I decided that you can have a platform, like a social media platform, just like any other,

and people can come in and relieve memories on any category. Right? If you want to post about throwback technology, drawback technology even recipes from your family from you know passed down to you right movies or sports or fashion i'm sure chris you had your bag of jeans back in the day oh yeah i was a fashion icon i'm sure you had you a capitalist back in the day i don't know about that but products that we miss all advertisements right yeah and so i started coming up with the idea and and i'm like you know i think i think i got to do that

this. But I sat on it for a while, right? It wasn't until during the pandemic in 2020, ESPN had a show, Michael Jones, Chicago Bulls' last dance. I don't know if you saw that. Oh, yeah, it was very on it. Obviously, everybody was home back at that time, right, April of 2020. So we, we definitely could use some of that, could use some memories. Oh, yeah. And I remember watching that and I was like, you know, I was, I was really struck by, the amount of things that happened behind the scenes that I didn't know, right? Many people didn't know. So the show was a hit.

And so when the whole series was finished on ESPN, and I saw the attention around it that kind of gave me the push to go on to this idea that I've had, which kind of mirrors that and put it in practice. And five years later, I didn't develop the app until around 2022. I was walking around the lake Fourth of July, right? So there was an idea, there was some spot that I did not quite nail down in my head,

and I wasn't going to start writing the code or the app until I nailed that down. So I was walking around the lake, just kind of thinking through, and it clicked. I got it in my car, man, came right back home, and July 4, 20, 22 is when I wrote the idea on paper. and by the side of building. Now, do you know how to code? Did you code the app yourself, or did you end up having to wear? I have a team. I know I've coded, but I don't do it full time.

I'm more on the user experience. That's kind of what I've been doing for the past decade at least. Kind of charting what the user experience looks like. So my roles have been being a business analyst and a product owner in a technology team, which my role is to be. reach that gap between the person that needs the technology and how they want to use it. And then on the other side, you have the person that's going to build the tool, right? So it is my job.

My career has been taking what the users want, how they want it, and what the parameters are, what the limits of the technology should be, kind of understanding that nature. and looking at since I understand how to code or how code operates, right? I can sort of advise the developers who build the tool

and say, here's what we need, here's how it needs to be tested, here how, here's how we make sure it kind of meets the criteria of that. So I'm more on the design side and what the user experience from, you know, point A to point B

to point Z. the whole floor looks like so that we are building exactly what the intended use case is. I'm one of a team that is building this. And you're right. There's a few different, you know, like Google Photos tries to do this reminder with me. They'll be like, here's this, pictures of your dogs like 10 years ago or something. And it's kind of nice, but sometimes that, you know, it's really bad. I still struggle.

I've had four dogs over my. lifetime so far in my adult life, I should say. And they're used, I think three of the four have been black and white huskies. And they do have different facial looks, but man, it gets confused. They'll be like, here's the pictures of Rocky. And I'm like, no, that's my dog, Freya. I tried to fix it a million times and finally just gave up. Right. But you know, Chris, I'm glad you brought that up, the Google Photos thing. I was talking with one of the investors there reached out, wanted to understand how we're doing and asked me like how different is this from Google photos like memories and Google photos is static right it does not go beyond just showing what

just like the Facebook memories right you don't go beyond just seeing what the memory is what it is showing you what we're trying to do here is to make that Google photos memory I'll take it one step further and make it interactive, right? You see corporations do this all the time, you know, and I'm sure we're going to get to that later, but, you know, the nostalgia-driven marketing is a thing. Every corporation is trying to do that. You look at McDonald's advertisements. You look at Lego.

You look at Nike, Volkswagen, Coca-Cola. I mean, I can go on and on, right? They're all trying to play off of our fun memory of something, right, or something that we knew from back then. So making that interactive just from the ad space alone is what we're trying to do here, but beyond, right, is have a platform where we can come in and celebrate those memories that we all have because, you know, it's universal. Everybody, the memories, some of them might be good,

some of them might be bad, but even in the bad ones, when we look at ourselves today, we can kind of understand how far we've grown and how much we have perceived and how we got to where we are today. You know, the one thing man can learn from his history is that man never learns from his history, and thereby we go round and round. And, you know, that's the thing. It's important to remember her history. It's important to know our history and all that good stuff.

And, you know, it's important to remember these things, too. I mean, you know, it's sometimes we go through life and we don't really, you know, look at what we did and learn about what we did. And, you know, all these things are really important to knowing where your past is and what you've done. So have you developed apps before? Was this your first app? Was this your first entrepreneurial venture or were there others? No, this was not, sadly. There was another one

It was more in the financial sector You know When The way sometimes Some of these things If it's You got to look at the interdependencies, right? You develop an app

It may be tied to Some Maybe the readiness of it Is dependent upon Some government agency Clearing some regulatory Process Or maybe some

Whatever Whatever it could be, like it may be tied to some things being signed off on by higher powers, you know, either from the government or from state or local officials. That always becomes tricky. So while we had to shelve that, just because of the too many complications, it's always better in my experience. Look at ideas that you don't have a lot of things tied to it that are going to be bogged down on some bureaucratic process. But before I even forget, I wanted to get to something you just said about history.

I always think about the 19, was it 1918 or 1917 pandemic during that time? They said when the COVID happened, they said, oh, another one happened in 1917. Problem is, whoever that was alive in 1917 might not have been alive in 2020, right? So it's kind of hard to see a reference point like, hey, when it happened in 1917, here's what we did. So we that are alive today can kind of look at that and say, oh, you know, they did this, they did that. Maybe let's do this. Obviously not the same way, but let's kind of adjust our strategy a little bit and we might get better. So one of the main points of trips is to catalog what we're doing.

right the memories don't just have to die they can be so called look at trips as like a digital museum if you will right because if if there was a digital museum back in 1917 we could easily trace back what we could do in 2020 right and all of us would not be scrambling going here and there you know that's why that's why i respect david rubinstein so much in your interview with him the fact that he went put all these efforts in capturing that magna carter document and putting all his energy and resources that's an expensive document i think it was like 22 million dollars that he bought it for right that's an expensive that's expensive document but you know if you read his reasoning of wanting to go after that document is kind of fascinating right but yeah i i just didn't want to forget

that part before I jumped into something else. So it was an important point. You see, you're moonlining, you're trying to do this app. That's a hard thing for people to do. And there's a lot of wannabe entrepreneurs that listen to the show that are trying to figure out, you know, how do I move from a day job to, you know, doing this? And, you know, I remember moonlining when I started my second company, or well, the official second company that became successful. There's a few that I tried after starting my first that were just like little experiments and test runs that that didn't, didn't, the road just didn't hit. But, you know, I remember my first one, we were going to moonlight, and that's hard.

It's hard. You're working eight hours a day for someone else, and then you're trying to achieve your dreams at night. How do you keep going during those times? What motivates you during those times? It's very hard. There's no sugar-coating it. In fact, a lot of times you would find that abandoning the project, letting it just fall to the

wayside, it's much easier. easier than continuing to finish it. You know, Robert Kraft, I always think to the things that he did, something he said that 95% of people don't finish the last 5% of a big task. You know, it's very hard to finish, to finish up an idea when you have a full-time job because you've got to get off work and not just, forget even the job part, right? Just thinking and perfecting the idea in your head. and then making sure that it is exactly how you're thinking and then building it.

So that's why I think I'm fully responsible for the design of this app because I own that 100% because since it's in my head, I need to be the one at least to kind of make sure it is exactly as how I envision it. Now, customers then or users can come and tell me otherwise, right? Then I can adjust it. but you go to work, you know, you do all that, and then you get off work, you think, you work throughout all night, and then this, the idea is sometimes you come at a log jam, right? You don't even know where to go next. And then the financial aspect of it as well, right, the bootstrapping aspect of it, you know.

It's much easier today than to develop an app today than it is, you know, 10, 15 years ago. And in fact, when I was coming up with this app, just four years ago, life in building an app is much easier right now as I speak than just four years ago because of all the AI tools that are out there, right? If you've had an idea and, you know, entrepreneur aspiring, you know, it's not late for you. You know, in fact, you had a better time if you just know how to use these AI tools, I think that's the one next thing people need. to kind of focus on like how do I leverage AI because you're going to find out that the AI

tool is much it learns better if you give it better instructions so for me I didn't when I was developing the chat GPT came out in November 2020 and then I started building this app in July of 2022 but chat GPT did not mature until two three two years later you know when it first came out it was making hallucinating a lot, making a lot of mistakes. So I couldn't depend on those. I still, we have some AI driven things as we wrote in the app, absent of that. But the sacrifices, they're there. And I think the harder part even is to just perfect thinking of the idea.

You know, it's one thing to be able to think of an idea, but it's quite another to think of it and build it and then say, hey, Chris, use this. Does it fit what I'm, how I'm thinking? Right. I think that's the very rewarding. That harder part is also the most rewarding. Like, when people use it and people tell me, you put it on the app now, man, I did not know I needed this. Or it's something that seems so obvious when they scroll and they see a picture from like their childhood, something they knew before. But yeah, it's a lot of sacrifice. You just have to, don't be part of the 5% that don't finish the big task. You have. But I think you've got to love it, though. You've got to be passionate about what you do. It's got to mean something to you.

Because if not, Steve Jobs got a great analogy about that. Like, you have to really be passionate about it because it's so hard, right? It's one thing to, by the time you think of it, and by the time you build, you put it in the hands of users, a lot of people are caught in that. But the amount of adjustments that happens in between thinking of the idea and then having it ready and pushing it to the app store, man, you have to really, you have to be ready. And you have to have the time, too. It's just, it's not an easy thing for sure. Yeah, it's not. I mean, you even have to get approval from the app stores to put it on.

You started started on that. Like, I've always, I've always, so when I, at my full-time job, when we would launch to the apps to, you know, it's like the app stores, as to say Apple, they would just give you a hard time. Android, Google, you know, they're easy to deal with. But I come to learn a whole lot, just as much as I thought I knew before, it's the different story when you have to deal with them directly, right? like they would ask for small things and you just sit there like you cannot be serious so yeah there's those small little things and if you're like a financial app for instance you have a whole different battle to fight with them because of all the the costs that they would take out if you're selling something like if you're Amazon or eBay or whoever

you know you have to pay a certain percentage to the app store i think about 33 percent yeah yeah which if you're amazon i guess you're fine but if you're me you know yeah how would you how those costs how would you ever scale your business right so it's a lot it's a lot of instant outs that you know the app stores they would do to you that that makes it even much easy for you to give up on your idea rather than continue with it, you know. Yeah, that monopoly is a bit discouraging. I think some of that's been been, I think some of that's been, you know, adjudicated in the courts of the, of the phone feed and stuff.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Came back and Apple can still charge. Yeah, it's crazy, man. But, you know, it's discouraging. I didn't mean to cut you up. The point that you made earlier when we're in the green room about perfecting an app.

people make the mistake of you have this one feature in the app and you keep on hopping on it like you keep on trying to adjust it you are over what do you call it? I think somebody called it over featuring

you know you don't even know if the users won the whole app to begin with so focus on the major user experience than over you know engineering one particular feature so yeah

And, you know, it's quite the journey, and it's quite a lot, like you mentioned, it's a lot of, it's a lot of, there's a lot of high humps to overcome that can stand in your way. And, you know, as an entrepreneur, I mean, if anything, you know, there was this time where in the early app days of after the iPhone launched and there was this huge gold rush to make apps, you know, they didn't have some of these barriers. And so there was a lot of really cool apps that were able to come to fruition. And I, I don't think they were charging 30% back. then. I don't, I don't know. We'd have to go look on your app to find the way back on it. Yeah, exactly. It created a lot of innovation. And, you know, that's what we need. You need a low bar for, you know, I remember when I first started my first big multimillionar company, we were bootstrapping it and moonlighting it. And we had to register at the time, this is in the Clinton era. We had to register in the time with the state transportation oversight. And our courier company, which was a little, you know, a career company kind of like FedEx or UPS. And we mainly focused on documents from mortgage companies and attorneys, so we weren't

really carrying any really big boxes or anything. But they put us, they lumped us in with like airline tariffs and trucking tariffs. And so we had to pay these enormous fees, these enormous insurance costs to the cars that people normally would you do for, you know, if there's a FedEx van full of shit in it or, you know, there's an airplane full of people. We don't have the same abilities. We've got one guy driving a Geo Metro picking up, you know, mortgage documents, right? It's not like we're insuring, you know, bodies and, you know, $50,000 worth of crap.

And, but they held us to that bar. And it was really hard. It was really hard to pay those bills to pay the initial. And then we had to do the application fee. That was expensive and not guaranteed. It was really hard. And, you know, these are some of the things that, you know, people need to think about when they, when politics this is maybe when they think about state and local governments and federal, is that if you

squelch this sort of innovation, it makes it really hard for great products to come to fruition. Yeah. And, and, you know, you just say something that kind of, that process, what you just describe is like clunky, right? There's a lot of steps in there that, you know, imagine how things used to work from back in those days versus now. I always think back to this idea of the decoupling of the internet today is what it's a result of decoupling all the tasks from like 20 years ago you know if you if you think back just probably in 2010 if you look at the newspaper right it if you take the newspaper and break it down and break it apart into pieces exactly what the apps are today right let's kind of go through them one by one zillow used to be

the real estate section of the newspaper if you look at something like your obituaries these apps for that today if you look at your e-trade app or your robin hood app those were the financial sections of the app right it basically everything was is broken down if you if you take it if you take the newspaper as a whole you can see how each section of the newspaper It's an app of its own, right? You see what I'm saying? Like, it's basically a Duke of real estate companies. It just doesn't work the way it works anymore.

And somebody posted on trips the other day, they had a video, a collage of phones, how they used to look like in early 2003, 4. There was a lot of innovation. Yeah. But, you know, like, there was, like real hardcore innovation. I had one phone

that I flip it like you flip it up. You know what I'm saying? It's like a small little tea. And she posted that. She was, and the description really caught me again to the question of like, when you see people using this thing the way

you're thinking it, that's the rewarding part. But she had this post where she was saying that the iPhone, Apple and Android really killed, because now, 20 years later, we only got two phones. You only got the iPhone or you got your Android phone. But the amount of, so she had this phone, this video that it had a lot of different phones in it.

And I started thinking to myself, man, there really was innovation back then. But now they make it hard because there's just one app store, right? If you build an app, you got to submit it to that app. submitted to that app store or else they's not they you know they got the monopoly over so that definitely stifles how if chris want to come up with something else i went for somebody else maybe chris you can lead the way here i went for somebody else to come up with another app store yeah that would be nice i think i think i think can we then we build another app i mean i'm waiting for like another app store man i think you'd have to create a whole new platform right

Maybe? Yeah. Yeah. And, you know, Google decided going into the app store. They have to buy Android. And that's how they got it. It's hard. It's a hard business to go. You know, so. It definitely is. It can be a challenge. It can be a challenge. So as we round out the show, you wanted to throw some questions at me, I think. Yes. So I wanted to throw the tables, turn the tables a little bit. Okay. Since we're talking about trips and trips, the trips app is all about, you know, visiting, we live in memory lane. We all have one. Our memories, some of them, we cringe when we look back. So I wanted to kind of flip this script on you a little bit and ask you. I have some, I got some written questions here.

Okay. So I'm going to throw them at you, right? Now, can I, can I plead the fifth? No, you can't. I can't leave the fifth. Oh, you can't. All right. Get my attorney.

Damn it. Yeah, you might, chat GPT can be an attorney now. But yeah, the idea, the reason I came up with this is this basically goes off of the Trips platform. If you wanted to post, it's got categories about, hey, what do you want to talk about? Do you want to talk about musical memories? Do you want to talk about, you know, throwback technology, fashion, you know, recipe and advertise, things like that.

So this is going to be there. So my first question to you, Chris, is going to be throwback technology. Okay. What is the one piece of tech You wish we still use today Now, how far do I have to go back? Go back as far as you can As far as I

Like the basically my favorite piece of technology Now it should be something I don't have today That I miss or does it Can I still be in use of it? Can you see it to be? I would still say my Android phone Your Android phone Yeah

I mean I've had androids for Since they made them They started making them so the fax machine oh yeah i used to have oh boy you sold several fax machines back in our companies the days you know that was an interesting piece of technology yeah that was when it worked i hate faxes i don't even know what do you hate about faxes who hurt you show me on the doll where the facts yeah i i just don't like to get out of the house and have to go to fedex and you know do faxing it's it's just simple just to fax right

Do you know anybody that owns a fax machine? You know, there's still companies that come across that they have, it's still on their website, like their fax number and shit. Yeah, the medical industry, so you use this. I think, yeah, I think you're right. So, no question two, this is musical memories, right? If you could relieve one life concert or musical moment from your past, which would it be?

Now, can it be one that I maybe missed and I wish I regret I'd gone to? Yeah, that can be too. Okay. My biggest regret in life, I think it's number two. My first one is not going to enough rush concert, so I was a big Rush fan. And I just barely saw, I should mark this with Dayton Times, so people don't write me on YouTube, 922, 2025. So yesterday I just saw David Gilmore of Pink Floyd, and he's got a beautiful documentary movie of one of his most recent concerts that are in theaters right now. And I, in 19, 1994 or five, Pink Floyd had released the last, like, studio album that they did. Well, it was the second last real studio album they did. And they were coming to Las Vegas to start their tour. And they had kind of a limited tour, which should have been a warning sign to me. And I was going to go.

And the tickets were pretty expensive. And I was visiting Utah at the time, so I needed to deal with going down to it. And I was really busy with all my companies. And I was like, you know what? They've done two tours. they're going to do, they'll be here for a while. They're going to be fine. I'll catch the next tour and they never did a next tour.

And that's my second biggest regret in the world. So today or yesterday when I was at the concert film theater, I got to relive what that experience might have been like a little bit. And it was wonderfully refreshing. But yeah, the rest of my, this is probably my dying words. I'll be like, I wish I'd gone to more concerts. So question number three, this one is classic movies, right? Mm-hmm.

What movie from your childhood do you think still holds up perfectly today? The Godfather. Let's do, let's make that a two part. Okay. What movie do would you see yourself watching 100 times over? The Godfather. The Godfather? I probably have, too.

Yeah. What's another one? Godfather, too. You know, there's several classics. Anything with Al Pacino and Robert DeNio, Heat would be probably the number two. That's such a great movie, Heat. The movie Heat, it had Robert DeNiro and El Pacino in it. Michael Mann was the director who did Miami Vice, and it is a masterpiece.

I guess it's my first time hearing somebody say they could watch. Go back and watch it. There's a lot of Easter eggs. You've got to watch it over and over again. There's a lot of Easter eggs in it. There's a lot of stuff. A lot of people didn't figure out that the character, Al Pacino was a Cokehead.

And now, and when you learn that, you go back and you watch it. I'm like, holy, fuck, really? Yeah, yeah. In the movie, he's a Coke head. Right. Yeah, yeah. And it was real subtle how Al Pacino, and I think there was a scene that was deleted. But, you know, the epic scene between, and I believe they did that, if I recall,

right, they did it on screen with the two of them in the same room at Robert De Niro and Al Pacino. And the infamous lunch or dinner scene at the diner, who, the two of them have the epic conversation and there's actually an improv that's in there and that's what makes it so magical is the improvisation of these two legends you know that may be the only time i think they've ever sat across each other on the screen i could be wrong but yeah those two guys those two guys yeah yeah for me the big lobowski oh the big lobowski that is um that's awesome yeah i'll quote the whole movie that is it that is probably one of my top five

The dude bites. Yeah, Pulp Fiction's always good. Pretty woman? Pretty woman, yeah. Oh, yeah, people were like, what? I'm like, that's a classic movie, man. Yeah, I mean, it's basically... It's basically the Cinderella story.

It's basically what it is. Yeah. Yeah. Re-told in modern time. Scarface, Godfather. I can watch it. Scarface, you and me. But I think the one that I've watched over and over is Pulp Fiction.

I've watched that movie. Isn't that amazing movie? you know i i found out that the bible verse samuel jackson would like just rattle off yeah not really a bible verse he just made it off yeah yeah he would just he's such a great actor on travolta there was so many great movies who's a guy from diehard he's going through Alzheimer's right now or something oh bruce willis bruce willis he's great i mean every that movie was immaculate i'm a big tarantino fan yeah i am i i love movies we can go to the movies together anytime you want yeah i mean we can watch a lot of turns

you know because i mean he goes he goes hardcore but that's what i like about him he where nobody else goes you know you're going to remember his films oh no no doubt about that next question is legendary sports so this is you know your sports moments that you can't forget oh boy who was your sports hero growing up and would they dominate in today's era oh they probably would i imagine they would so i grew up watching the abcc wide world of sports and it was howard cosell this is howard cosell i'm here with mohammed ali oh like in the 60s 70s oh yeah yeah i'm not old my friend yeah you sound like and and mohammed ali was a not only a god of a boxer just an immaculate human being he was that way off the off the off

the, off the ring, trying to, I forgot boxing terminology, out of the ring, he was just an amazing, you know, the limericks or whatever he would come up with, you know, like, dunce like a bee, I can't even remember what the line is, but, you know, he would, he would just deliver these lines. And him and Howard Kosell would kind of put on this stage, this sort of, not abrasive, but they would kind of verbally jab at each other. And Muhammad Ali would, you know, kind of tease him a little bit.

But it was a love sort of give him shit, you know, a male sort of thing that they would do. And, you know, Howard Koselle would be like, you know, taking the rap from Ali. And Ali was just a giant. He was a heavyweight boxer, you know. Back nowadays, it's all these middleweights and lightweights. And, you know, I remember watching Allie versus Foreman,

the Rumble in the Jungle. Yeah, I mean, to me. And then, you know, I grew up in the age watching Ali where they tried to jail him. because he wouldn't go to the draft. And, you know, he knew what they were trying to do. They were trying to silence somebody who was seen as a leader. And everybody, I don't know that everybody loved Dile, obviously. But he was such a giant of a man.

And then to see, you know, the Ropa Dope in the, I think of that was during the Rumble in the jungle, I think the Ropodop was, you know, to see him just take a beating for, what was it, 10, 9, 15 rounds and then come back and just, wear down, I think he ran down Frazier. I remember that one. Yeah. To see him wear him down by taking a beating? Like, I don't think he ever seen any way he take a beating, like all he did in the Ropa Dope instance.

And so, yeah. But the two of them, Howard Koselle, you tuned in to see how let go sell. This is how in he had that, I don't know what that fucking thing was. I feel like I'm watching the history channel. Yeah, ABC. Well, welcome to

wide world of sports with Howard Go Sell, we have Muhammad Ali on the set. Muhammad, Ali, I think he called him Ali. Is Ali, how are you today, sir? And, you know, Ali would give him some sort of kind of poke and jab verbal.

Yeah, Mama and Ali was a, he was a very, his character. Oh, that's what made him so great. What a great man. I mean, he was, you can see people that are excellent in the ring. Like even now, there's great people that go into the ring, you know, that are the Masters of the Trade and they win all the awards, you know, they're great.

But sometimes when they get off stage, or they try and talk, you're just like, you know, who's the Mike Tyson? Yeah. Like, Mike Tyson's, like, really great in the ring. But, you know, when you listen to talk without voice, especially. Hey, is he going? You're like, oh, man, he just blew my whole vision of you, dude. But I still love Mike Tyson.

In fact, he's gotten kind of wiser. He's gotten older and he's mellowed. You know, speaking of Mike Tyson, I also remember his quote. You know, thinking of going a trip down, taking a trip down memory lane when he said, everybody got a plan until they get punched in the mouth or something like that. Yeah, that's a great quote. Nobody thinks mic tizing can talk. And I heard one of his interview where he was talking about that, oh, yeah, I didn't even know when I said it.

I didn't know how it was going to become this iconic. But, you know, if you look at just that one simple line, one simple quote, that's legendary. That's iconic. you know it means a lot today everybody a lot of people can can resonate with that the last question is for games from childhood what game be game board arcade playground instantly takes you back to being here it was it was rumbled in the jungles foreman versus ali i just looked that up on the roped up so if you don't know what the roped up is go watch it and watch that fight because it will it will change it you know it comes

the entrepreneur perseverance, what we do, we kind of live through a rope-a-dote. We get the shit beat out of us, and then we win at the end. So to answer your question, I used to love the game risk. And I never understood why. I liked it. I got really good at it.

Same thing with the game, Sertigo. And what I didn't understand. What you say? Sturtego, yeah. What is that? It was a strategy game where you would line up kind of a military, you had military titles. And you would line them up

And it was kind of like a variation of chess or checkers And you would line up two rows of your Your military folks And they had different titles And of course you've captured a certain one You would win the game And then your opponent did that across the map And you would have to make moves against each other

In certain segments It was kind of like a cheap version of chess It's ghetto version of chess actually But what I didn't understand is why I love risk so much was it was teaching me strategy. It was teaching me how to think outside the box. It was teaching me how to look at different lanes, look at different things, and all this stuff. And it was really helpful in the end for business.

It just, it just kicked ass. I've used it all my life. And, you know, being able to think of strategy and, you know, I would master on how to beat my brother all the time and he aid me for it. Is your brother older or is he? He's younger. You know, I took all that. the good stuff out of the womb and left leftovers behind for the rest of my siblings,

because that's what you do as the first child. I never heard it out. Yeah, I, you know, I'm the oldest, so I got to punch down. I'm the oldest, too, so I know exactly what to tell my youngest. You got to keep me in line, right? I had to. Maybe I appreciate it. So it seems like I had a question, a last question for you.

Oh, I wanted, we're getting a lot of great comments here from your audience. impressive and inspirational interview. Congratulations. Oh, I know that guy. I have forgotten that I'm on Facebook. You're on channel live too here. Congratulations. The sky is just the beginning. Yeah, I forgot. I think there's Mars after that, right? Well done. I'm glad I forgot. That's my nephew, bro. Cool. Yeah. I know, yeah. I read that for a second. I thought that said monster. I thought he was my older brother, but now he's my uncle. So we don't, I look at it. I thought that said mom's trucking, but it's a MoMo's trucking.

There's a MoMo in the movie, a great movie, Get Shorty. I don't know if you watch that one, but Mo Mo Mo Mo. That was the name of the mob boss, I think. Good job. Our own brother? Yeah, Farmer. Yeah, I know that guy. Keep it up, bro.

Damn. There you go. Getting a lot of love here in comments. Cassell was the greatest in his honor. He sure was, my friend. he was yeah he this guy would know oh really there you go this guy that knows everything i used to do a pretty good haricassell because i grew up i mean every saturday morning

abc wild world of sports and it would play that thing in fact you know that's something that should be on your app that intro to a bc wild world of sports oh yeah i gotta i gotta go look for that i gotta go find it yeah great job bro from ellie that's great so thank you guys all for making comments and watching the show we certainly appreciate it give us your final thoughts mr jell as we go out Pitch people and your dot-coms. Yeah, GetTrips.com is the landing page for the app, but the app itself is in iOS, it's in Android. TriP-Trips.

Go search for TRIP-P-Z. And again, as the name says, is I have to take a trip down memory lane. And we have a lot. You know, this is just the beginning. The bigger part of the, or the first part was to get the app ready and put in the hands of people. And so far, the people that have been using it, you know, as you and I, Chris were talking. working earlier. We didn't overcomplicate it. We wanted to, you know, when I sit with the team and discuss this idea, what I envision is an app that brings a great user experience, but also

discovery, right? You know, there's a lot of times where getting those tools is like hard, but, you know, we try to accomplish it the best way we can. Having on the technology side, there's a lot more that's coming on the commercial side. We'll focus right now and just but at some point I'll come back again when we hit one million users and we're going to take a trip down memory and say hey Chris remember when we're at 10,000 users

and now we're at 5 million Nice Rubenstein always talks about his regret of not investing in Amazon He talks about all the time he talked about on your show too If you're watching we're 100%

We didn't take any funding at the moment But don't miss out on your opportunity to not invest in trips if we get to it So keep you're saying Do you anticipate that you might do that? At some point, we might not have a choice but to, you know, to take funding. At this point, thankfully, we're able to bootstrap 100% fund everything out of pocket. But, you know, as we grow, there's a lot of ideas that we have.

I can't give too much away right now, but think of it this way, right? On the advertising side, we want to really change how advertising works. So, Chris, if you're on YouTube, you're watching a video and an ad comes on, your 90% inclination is to close out the ad, right? Because it's disruptive, it's intrusive. But what we're thinking on trips is, what if we do the opposite? What if we let the ads be part of the process, right? Again, I don't want to give too much away, but we have a lot more on the commercial side,

the scaling partnerships, you know, if you look at companies like Coca-Cola, you know, like I said earlier, Volkswagen, all these companies, they thrive on nostalgia, they thrive on our memories. It's not an accident for you to see an ad that is just capitalizing on your fond memory of something. You know, I saw a research, I did a research. They analyzed about 2,000 ads. And they found out that out of the 2000 ads, each one that had a nostalgia-driven aspect to it gave people 2.5 times more likelihood to make an action. rather than if they don't, right?

So meaning if you had an ad that got a nostalgia, a memory twist to it, you are encouraging people to buy from you 2.5 times higher than if you didn't. And the other part of the research also said that the people that are buying stuff because of the sentimental aspect of it, you know, if you sell me this iPhone because I remember it from like 1980, I don't mind spending any amount of money

because sentiments is not priceable, right? A lot of people are like, you know, it's what I feel, is what I want. So we have all this information, and we're doing something with it, in short. The next versions of trips, I think you're going to see robust development, robust innovation. And, you know, the digital space is fragmented. We don't, I'll admit to you, we don't prioritize trends, prioritize memories, right? That's what the app is for, is just to bring back memories. But the market is ripe for that.

So we have a lot of things that we're working on with one step at a time. And I'm glad to come on here. Thanks a lot, Chris, for my favorite people. So I'm glad to show up here and, you know, be able to have this conversation. And we went down memory lane. We did. Yeah, just like the app. So you can download the app.

So when I go, I've signed up for the app. I've got a profile on there. As the things I want to do is maybe drag some stuff out of my past and Yeah, yeah, drag it up. Write them? Yeah. Find those old pictures. You can.

Please drag the, the journalist you were mimicking. Because that, I don't know that journalist, but I can just see like a black and white TV in 1967 or something. That's what they were to. You know what I'm saying? Even in the 70s. They had the black and white TV. We had one of those big console TVs that probably weighed, it was a furniture piece, right? And so it was like a giant furniture piece with a giant TV in it.

and we would sit in front of those TVs, the ones that got the little cabinet. Yeah, the cabinet, yeah, that's it, the cabinet. Those were, those were something trying to move one of those things. Oh, yeah, you're getting a hernia, for sure. It's kind of ironic, though, right? Back in the day, those TVs says a lot about the family that owns it. That's kind of true, yeah. I mean, the funny thing is, is, you know, you remember, I don't know if your parents ever told you this about the TV.

when you're a kid, but, but they would always say, stop sitting so close to the TV. You're going to ruin your eyes. Oh, yeah, I've been told that. Yeah. But that's true, though, right? I think that's yeah. I mean, those things, you know, had some radiation back in the day, even the early computer TVs, they would have a radiation screen for him. I can't think back then, you know, my brother just commented he's, he's watching. He knows exactly what I'm talking about watching TV. Me or him would go behind where we had the antenna and my dad would be like, you know, you can hear my dad yelling saying, okay, you know, on the antenna left, go to your left and go to your right. You know, this is, we were talking

earlier about people say the good old days. Oh, yeah. That's not good. We used to have one of our siblings dance with the, with the antenna and, and he'd have to move around front and back, trying to. Yeah, but yeah, nice, nice combo, man. You know, combos like this. This is exactly why the app you know see now we can share those moments too because you're going to go watch some howard co-sell videos and you're going to probably either remember him because i mean he was so iconic in that voice but you'll remember him and then you'll get to watch some of the great moments but yeah if you go back and watch the rope a dope moment it's a great it's a great moment so that entrepreneurs go through you know we go through this process where we get the shit beat out

of us you know by the app stores and other places and and you know and it's a it's a thing about survival, you know, I've, I've certainly been beat down so many times sometimes by life and all the stuff going on. And, you know, you're trying to, you know, build something. You can't build anything. And, you know, but you survive in the end and you come out winning because you sometimes just got to roll with the lashing and try and make things work coming out the other side. You know, I'm glad you said that, Chris, there's a category in the trips app is called the journey um and what it what what that what that category is for what you just said right now because a lot of times you know we see Chris Vass he's got a successful so you know Jeff Bezos billionaire

but the problem is most of us just know the colors the the lightning right the success we don't know what you've gone through from the beginning we don't know how many times you wanted to give up we don't know like setting up the show I'm sure you can tell the rest of It was like, it's not easy to do a podcast running all these years. Way before a podcast was like a thing, right? Yeah, it was just barely starting out back then. People like, yeah, exactly. So what this category does is we want someone like Chris,

we want to give him the opportunity to say, okay, hey, take, you know, I'm taking you down memory lane. Here's where I began, here were my challenges, this is what I had to go through. What you see today, the successes alone is not. you know, this just a rosy picture. I just wanted to kind of qualify your point. In fact, I call it the becoming, and then later I went to the journey. So I'm going back and because my idea of the becoming is how did Chris become what he became today?

So you can see how we're angling for some inspirational sort of storyline. And also taking that trip down memory lane to kind of walk us through his journey from the time that it began to detect. to the point that he's at right now. Yeah, we got all that on the TRIPS app. Yeah, and then you get to share with people, and they get to discover all these wonderful gems. I mean, I don't think there's ever been anybody like Muhammad Ali. I don't care what you say about.

I mean, Dana White runs a great company with all those, wherever they are. There's something different about standing up and boxing. The Dana White guy. Yeah, there's something, you know, the MMA stuff is kind of nice, but just always reminds me of prison sex. I mean, it just really does.

Two guys wrestling in their underwear, the ball's touching. I mean, come on, man. I mean, if you love it, I mean, that's all, that's all fine for you. But, man, when you've lived through Muhammad Ali, George Foreman, Frazier, and the greatest heavy, heavyweight boxes of all time, you just can't compare. And so if you go back and watch those old videos, I mean, the roped up, the rumble in the jungle, you watch the hype that Ali put into that, and you watch the beating that he takes.

I mean, he, I don't know how I survived it. I mean, George Foreman was no joke. And he beats the, I mean, round after round, he pounds Ollie. And Ollie's laughing at him on the ropes, laughing, mocking him, getting him just, yeah, go ahead, beat me up. And George Foreman wears himself down because you can't put out with that thing. But just the fact that Ali could take it, that was something else. And, you know, George got sucked into it. He's, he's, I'll beat you harder.

You know, he didn't say that. But he basically did that. And he just would hammer Ali. And then Ali would dance around like he was so great at what was that line that he used to say, light as a butterfly, fast as a bee or something? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. And just to watch him, I mean, to be smiling while you're getting beaten up by

George Foreman and say Breeon on? Like, that's, I mean, that takes a level of manhood. I don't, I have achieved it. I don't like it. So if you've been to that, if you watch that, right? Yeah. Does it kind of make you devalue what's happened, the game, the way the game is today? Do you still?

You know what it really, it really, what it does for me is what I've kind of hinted at there a couple of times is it taught me that you can take a beating in life. Maybe you'll take a beating as an entrepreneur. You know, I've been in those, I've been in those things. I've lost, you know, five figures in a business in the business in the, first year and at the end of that year you're sitting there going you know are this going to make a profit or are we going to bury the needle here another 50 grand or 100 grand or whatever it is at what time do i stop the bleeding right and you know i've been through that and you you you you sit there and you go i don't know man i mean where where where do we go from here

and is this going to get worse or is it going to get better you know and you know i've been in situations, the 2008 financial crisis, the COVID, you know, where I got the shit beat out of me where I lost millions of dollars. And in companies and future revenue and things that I'd spent 20 years building. And boy, that was that was a George form of beating right there alone. But knowing that you, as long as I could still move in the ring, as long as I could stay in the battle, no matter how beaten down I was, as long as I could keep going. And sometimes that's what you, the journey you experience as an entrepreneur.

As you just have to keep going sometimes. Man, you are dropping a lot of, you're dropping a lot of games here, man. That's just hearing it, you know, I'm sure people that are watching too. Sometimes it bears, it's necessary to hear somebody else say it. You know, I know exactly what you're going to, just, you know, what you're saying, just by this journey, because, like I said earlier, it's the easiest thing is to just not do it, right? But you mentioned 08 crisis.

I got my own story about that as well. But, you know, people, yeah, people go through journeys, man. It's just the way it is. And as you said, if you can, you know, DMX, when I first, I watched one of his, they had a tour, right? And they were backstage. And, you know, DMX is somewhere that everything is crazy. Like, you know, he said something that stick with me till this day.

And that is that he said, to live is to suffer. but to survive is to find meaning within the suffering, right? Suffer, but don't waste. Suffer, but be able to get back up, right? And it's been like, when I, I remember the video cassette, videotape back in 2001 or 2002 is when I watched that. They had a Def Jam tour. It was DMX, JZ, Method Man, Redman, like this big Jeff Jam tour. And in backstage, he was just talking, you know,

But then while he was talking, he said that. And that, when I listen to that, I'm like, man, I never heard anybody say that. Like, to live is to suffer, but to survive is to find meaning within the suffering. Yeah. That's really epic. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Yeah.

That's really epic. Right. You know, and till this day, like, if things are going rough, I'm always like, you know, it's just another day. As long as you survive, you will live the next day. As long as you are alive, you'll get up the next day. I always tell people and think this in my head, you want to stop me? You're going to have to kill me because otherwise I'm going to be like Ali and the Ropa Dope, man. I'm going to keep coming back.

I will keep coming. So you put me down or I'll fight. I've been down on the mat where I've been destroyed and I got one finger and I'm like, bring it on. I'll fight you. That's about the only thing I can move. Everything has been beaten to death. You will fight with the one finger, Chris? As long as I can move, as long as I can fight, I'll do it.

So I've been beating down where there's nothing left that can move and except one finger and I'm like, I'm still in the game. Don't, don't tap me out. Yeah. Cool. All right. Thank you very much for coming to show. This has been a wonderful fun and we've done our own throwback there and go back in time.

We do we pretty much live down. leave our own memories here. In fact, we're getting some help from the show. Sting like a bee. Sting like a bee. And Ali Buma, yay. Oh, that's right. He would do the Alie Buma, yay, and the people in Africa.

In Africa, right? Yeah. It means something in African, I believe. But he would get them chanting. And he would use their energy to fulfill his energy and mirror it back. And, yeah, it was such a thing. I used to watch that show. Looks like we need to bring you Ali to your app.

Ali to your app and Howard CoSell. Yeah, yeah, we got we got to bring them out there. The only guy that I keep thinking about there is a coach that has a lot of epic, legendary coats. It's not over till it's over. Who's that guy? Here, let me Google that.

There's, uh, I think he, he used to, was he a basketball coach? Might be, wouldn't, maybe? No. Yogi Berra. Yogi Berra. Yogi Beera.

That guy got a lot of. He's got a lot of funny. It's not over till it's over. It's deja vu all over again. And that, my friends, is the rest of the story. Yeah, something like that. Thank you very much for coming on. We really appreciate it.

Thanks to your audience for tuning in and leaving these wonderful comments on the show. Yeah, man, I'm, everybody watching. What's up? I didn't even, I have completely forgot we on Facebook. Which is good because it got me to not be nervous. So I'm good. But yeah, if you're watching, download the air,

It's on iOS. It's on Android. Tripp, P-Z. If you have memories to share, share with us. That's why I'm here talking about it with Chris. I'm back again. The $10 million mark, you know, apart me. We're going to look at this day and say, let's take a tip of that memory. We'll do a throwback, yeah. The show is like that. We have people that have passed away. We have people that we have time capsules of their youth on the show. Like, even me, you can go back and look, 16 years ago and be like, God, you look young and healthy. I still looked like shit, but, you know, that's just how it was born as. I have radio face.

Anyway, thank you very much for coming on the show. Thanks, man. Thanks, John us for tuning in. Go to Goodrease.com, Fortess, Chris Foss. LinkedIn.com, Forchess, Chris Foss, one, the TikTokity, all those crazy places in the internet, subscribe to the show at Chris Foss. Show. You can do that. Thanks for tuning in.

Be good to each other. Stay safe. We'll see you guys next time. Thank you, Chris. Wonderful show.