The Chris Voss Show - The Chris Voss Show Podcast – Shawn Rowland, M.D. Founder and President – JASE Medical

Episode Date: June 25, 2022

Shawn Rowland, M.D. Founder and President - JASE Medical Jasemedical.com

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It's not on TikTok. The LinkedIn group isn't on TikTok. I don't know. This makes no sense. Anyway, guys, we have an amazing gentleman on the show. He's going to be talking to us about what he does and how he does it. Sean Rowland, Dr. Sean Rowland, I should say, is a board member family medicine physician who's on the show with us today. He's also the founder of Jace Medical.

He has a passion for educating and empowering his patients that led to the development of Jace, a company that he founded in 2021 to help people be better prepared medically, which is certainly something everyone needs to do because whatever disease happen or well, you don't have something you need. That's a problem, especially in today's world where we're running out of everything, I guess, including common sense. So welcome to the show, Sean. How are you? Thank you. I'm doing great. Thanks for having me. Thanks for coming. We certainly appreciate it. And can you give us your dot com so we can find you on the interwebs, please. Absolutely. So it's Jace Medical, J-A-S-E Medical dot com. What do you do, Sean, at Jace Medical? Jace Medical, we are an online telemedicine service that brings patients, physicians,

and pharmacies together with the purpose of providing patients a cachet, a supply of life-saving medications such as antibiotics. And what was the, what was the reason you decided to create this company? What was, what was the motivator or what was the thing that was going on in the market that made you decide this is, this is really important right now at this time? Yeah. So, you know, this is something I'm truly really passionate about, about this topic. So any chance I get to talk about it, I'm so happy to, to further, you know, educate people about some things that I think most of the, of the general public just isn't aware of.

So as far as the genesis for Jace Medical, this was 2018, 2019. I was working at a mid-sized community hospital down on the southern border, working in the inpatient service at this hospital. And every week or every day, actually, we'd have a meeting, a little brief, wherever the team would get together and the pharmacist would come in, the hospital pharmacist would come in and explain, you know, what, if we were short on any supplies or medications. Now, remember, this is pre-pandemic. I'm working in the United States, one of the top healthcare systems in the world. And routinely, he would come in and tell us about shortages. These were antibiotics and other medications that we use daily were vital.

And a lot of times it was, well, we have it, but we have a limited supply, or sometimes we just didn't have it. So that was the first kind of, first kind of what's, what's going on. This is, this was in the day when we had everything we needed, right? The shortages we're dealing with now, we're, we're just not even something that we're on anyone was on anyone's radar. Wow. Yeah. So, so that was, I, I, that caused me to start doing some digging and I started to, started to do some, some research and what I found was really surprising. And I, when I started. And when I started answering this question, I said, most people aren't aware of this. I guess this is the secret. The secret is that 90 plus percent of every medication that's prescribed in the United States on a daily basis

is not produced in the United States. They're all produced overseas. Usually China and India, those are the top two producers. And then some other countries scattered in there. When it comes to antibiotics, in particular, our generic antibiotics, which is what everyone uses every day, all of them come from outside the United States. So that was just kind of the initial, wow, that's concerning. Now, fast forward, middle of the pandemic, my family and I, we moved back to Utah where I practice medicine currently. And we're getting things set up. It's the middle of the pandemic. I'm trying to start a new practice. And for the first time, I had access to the cost of medications, which physicians are so

far removed in the insurance world. We're so far removed from the cost of a lot of the treatments that we prescribe. And so for the first time, I could see what the true cost of these medications were for me and for my patients. And that was another surprise. I thought, I found, wow, these generic medications are really affordable. They're actually really cheap. So putting the two together, I thought, well, I need to have supplies for my practice, for my own practice. And then I thought, well, what about my neighbors? What about my family members? What about the community members around me that should also have access to these medications that, number one, they're ripe

for disruption in our supply chain. Number two, they're relatively inexpensive. And so how can I do this? So that led me on another journey. and for about a year when we founded Jace Medical and then needed to figure out, okay, what is the right way to do this? How can we do it safely, responsibly, comply with all the regulations out there? You know, the medical industry is not for the faint of heart when it comes to starting a company, and we were able to find a path forward, and what we came up with was what we're offering today,

which is basically a pack of five different antibiotics that can treat a range of bacterial illnesses. And you get those so that you have them on hand before you need them. And there's a lot of maybe use cases and things we can talk about later on. But that is the genesis of why JACE and how JACE came to be. There you go. Yeah, we had Catherine Eban, who wrote the book, Bottle of Lies, The Inside Story of the Generic Drug Boom. And she talked about, you know, she talked about where some of these,

where these generic things are made, a lot of stuff in India, some different variations of the quality of it. And it was quite eye-opening. You know, so basically you make an emergency antibiotic kit that you guys provide or sell on your website. Is that correct? Exactly. And so we do it through a telemedicine process. You know, there were some good things that came out of COVID. One of those is telemedicine was kind of went on a fast forward course of adoption where people, restrictions were eased state to state and people were more

used to getting their healthcare in. And I think for me as a family medicine physician, primary care physician, the power behind telemedicine, I think can't be overstated. It's not, it doesn't mean it's the panacea for all things medical, but for the right use cases, it allows people access to care that otherwise have a difficult time getting that access. So through that telemedicine process, it's a specific process. The only reason you come to Jace Medical today is to get this pack of antibiotics. And so the questions that the doctors are going to ask, that whole encounter is very purposeful and driven to that final outcome. So it's an easy encounter. You go on the website, takes maybe five minutes, 10 at the most to answer the questionnaire.

That goes to a physician who reviews it. If they have any additional questions, they'll reach out to you. And at the end of that encounter, they end up sending these prescriptions to one of our partner pharmacies where we've prearranged special pricing. They package all the medications and ship them to your door. And so the whole process really from beginning to end is about a 10 minute process. It takes a few days for the meds to get to you, but can be done from the convenience of your own home. And what are some of the medications that are in this emergency antibiotic kit? And, and I think there's some reasons you guys said on your website as to what some of these things are important for like travel and, and just, just accidents around the

house. Exactly. So great question. The trick in, as we're kind of developing, okay, which medications should we supply? You know, ideally you'd want to give everyone something for every eventuality, but, you know, there's cost and safety involved in this decision. So what we came up with was five antibiotics, and these five antibiotics cover a range of, number one, the most common things that are just commonly out there, whether that's UTIs, pneumonia, skin infections, sinus infections, that sort of thing. But then also we wanted to, as thinking preparedness-wise, we wanted to cover some of the most serious and deadly things that are out there.

So think about bioterror, things like anthrax attacks, the remian plague, those are the top three that the government's identified. So we wanted to cover for those as well. So those five antibiotics include basically the common and the most deadly and in an amount that you could treat more than just one course of illness. The way we put it together was basically we intended it to be for one adult to cover anything that might happen within a year's period of time. And that's part of gets into some of the other part of this and doing it responsibly, not just, you know, throwing as many pills as we can your way, trying to do it in a way that's responsible for the community. So there is a limit. But those as far as what they cover, there's a whole range.

It comes with a little book. The book is written to be accessible to the lay person where you can, you know, there's the look at some of the symptoms you might be having, and it'll help guide you into what would be the best medication to take in that instance. Now, we always encourage people to reach out. They can reach out to their private doctor, their family doc. I've got this going on. And the doctor could tell them, here's the medication you can take. And they say, oh, nice. I've already got it in my, in, in my, my medicate, my medicine kit here, or they can reach out to us as well. And as part of the service, we offer them that access to, to our physicians as well. Do I have this correct? A lot of them are penicillin based. So it's penicillin,

if people are familiar with that for, for fixing stuff, right? One of them, one of them is yes. yes. Amoxicillin. Yeah. Amoxicillin clavulanate, which is also known by the brand name Augmentin. That is a penicillin based medication. And actually that reminds me, because we get a lot of questions from people who say, well, what if I have allergies? And penicillin happens to be one of the more common antibiotic allergies. And that's part of the telemedicine process that those questions are addressed. And then we have substitutions if that's the case, we'll substitute that with a different medication. But certainly, yes, Augmentin is in the kit. I did an article with Forbes in 2012, 2013, calling for telemedicine and just complaining about having to wait in waiting rooms for

multiple hours and then almost losing my toe and having to go in for a bone scrape. And I'd gone in Southern California to a doctor that, you know, it was questionable what they really were up to because they really had a hard-on to have me referred to the hospital. They're clearly getting a referral fee. And they wouldn't have prescribed penicillin to me because they're like, well, everyone, you know, it's an issue. And I've always been one of those people that when I get sick, and usually it's some sort of sinus infection or I used to get them really bad in Utah with allergies and stuff. But it's always been something where if I get a little bit of, I mean, just the first few pills, a hit of amoxicillin or penicillin will clear up whatever I've got going on. It's like a miracle drug for me. And these guys would not give it to me.

I'd burnt my toes and they'd gotten infected. And there's been two other times where I've gotten walking pneumonia, usually from a flight. And I'm a single guy. You know, I'm a guy who just toughs it out, and I just go, well, it's a flush one. We'll be fine. And then it ends up being a viral infection or whatever,

and then I've had to do telemedicine. But I called for telemedicine in 2012, 2013. The article's still up if anyone wants to read it. And I actually thought about doing a telemedicine company at the time, but I knew the regulations are going to be nightmarish. But being able to have the medications where you're not having to call the doctor, he schedules you in a week from now. And, you know, being able to jump on an infection is super important. And I learned that the hard way with the two walking pneumonia things where, you know, it starts, what is it? It starts out as a normal infection and then it goes viral. And then once

it goes viral, then you need the, the top guns starts costing a lot of money, I guess. No, that's number one, unfortunate. I'm sorry. You had to go through that, Chris, that the, but you bring up a couple of great points. Number one, unfortunate. I'm sorry you had to go through that, Chris. But you bring up a couple of great points. Two that I can think of off the top of my head. Number one is this idea of antibiotic stewardship. So that seems to be the pendulum currently is swung in the medical community fully the other way where the idea of stewardship means we withhold medications. But there's another part to stewardship. And that is that being a good steward means that when it's appropriate, you do absolutely provide these medications. The fear, of course, of antibiotic resistance is a real thing. But I think nowadays, with as long as we've all kind of been dealing with the education, we've learned that not all illnesses are caused by bacteria. Most are caused by viruses and that antibiotics don't help for a virus. They don't help when you've got just the typical viral cold, right? I think the general public gets that. And part of

our effort is increasing that education to let people know that, yes, number one, not all illnesses are appropriate to be treated with antibiotics. But number two, as you mentioned, when it is a bacterial infection, time is of the essence. The sooner you get on these medications, the more effective and they're going to be in the better outcome you're going to have. So if we can get to a point where every household in America is used to using these things appropriately, has them on hand like they have their Tylenol or their ibuprofen, and at that first sign of a real problem, they've got the medications that they need so that they don't end up getting bone infections or septicemia, whether their whole system's infected at that point, and they end up in the hospital on IV antibiotics.

Those situations can be avoided. Yeah. I mean, highly. I mean, I highly recommend having something like this on hand. In my case, the first time I went in, they're like, well, we'll just give you the cheap stuff and not the penicillin, but we'll just give you the cheap stuff and you go back in a week. And by then I was already really infected. And then a week goes by, then I scheduled an appointment with them. And then by then it's really getting out of control. And then they're telling me I need to go for a bone scrape. And so I ended up sending them a really nice letter because I've done labor work. And I said, either give me the, what, what, oh, what it was is they, they, I went in a second time. They finally gave me what I needed.

They were trying to force me to still go get the bone scrape they give you what i needed and it worked really well but then they only gave me like four days or five days and it i started losing track and they wouldn't give me a second dose and i was like it was insane it was just completely insane and they're like you need to go get a bone scrape and so i sent them a legal letter and they sent me another refill because of the legal letter and then it cleared up and it was done there was no bone scrape needed i it was fine it's it's the greatest foot ever but yeah the other thing we should talk about i mean we're running out of tampons now that's the new thing that we're running out of we just recently ran on a baby formula it sounds like there's you know a lot of shortages this is the last thing i'd want to run out of is penicillin right absolutely i the you know the premise of jace was really built on that kind of supply chain vulnerability and that can't be overstated i think you mentioned baby formula the tampons

you know baby formula a hundred percent of our country's supply of baby formula comes domestically it's all produced here in the u.s and you know we shut down one factory in michigan and and the consequences are disastrous and lead to these to legitimately you know lives being in danger for for for children's babies you know when i think okay that's domestic a domestic supply issue. How much more at risk? It's not a leap of the imagination to see that now drawing that out to 100% dependence on a small, when I say small, I mean a relatively small group of producers internationally of these medications. I mean, it just opens up the door for other possibilities, whether it's a geopolitical wars, disasters in that part of the world. There's just so much that that that is potential to disrupt out there.

Now, that's the supply chain issue. There's also a part here that that I think also should be mentioned. And that is and you mentioned it in your experience. And it reminded me actually of an experience I had just the other day with a patient. And that is just basically timely access to the right kind of care. Even if there's not a supply chain issue, well, you still need that medication on time and the right medication. I had a patient, this just happened a couple of two weekends ago, who had had a procedure done on her tooth, was getting some implants done.

And the dentist had done his initial work. A week went by and she was feeling that, you know, she was still feeling quite a bit of pain and things seemed to be getting worse. So she reached out to him and I guess he was leaving for vacation, was trying to get out of the office, declined to see her again and basically sent in a prescription. In this case for, you mentioned penicillin, this was for amoxicillin, which by the way was not the right drug to prescribe. I said, here, take these pills and, and I'll see you at our, at our first follow-up, which was weeks and weeks away. So now a few more days go by.

Now we're getting into the next weekend. She calls me and says, I'm really sick. I need you to come take a look at me. What's going on? I didn't know her story about the tooth at this time. She, she was having some respiratory issues. So I went and checked on her and she was indeed really sick. Found out what the story was with this tooth, changed her antibiotic. And she actually had, she's one that had a Jace case.

And I was able to tell her, you've got that Augmentin, you should be taking the Augmentin. Start that right now. And you need to get in to see whether it's an oral surgeon or a dentist, you need to get in to see one of them as soon as you can. So she was able to get an appointment set up over the weekend. Let's see, it was on a Monday. a dentist, you need to get in to see one of them as soon as you can. So she was able to get an appointment set up over the weekend. She was on Monday. Monday morning, she went in, had already been on the antibiotic for a couple of days at that point. And sure enough, she had a horrible infection, which left untreated. Those tooth infections quickly make their way into some really sensitive areas because those nerves are all right there in your face and get attached to your brain and things go bad really quick. The oral surgeon who treated her commended her on being on that

antibiotic that she was already on from the Jace case and told her to continue taking it. But that's just an everyday scenario of just a timing, whether it being the weekend with a provider who was not accessible and something that any one of us could find ourselves in at any given time. So just again, a prudent thing to have access to these kinds of medications, not just for the end of the world supply chain or bio-chair things, but for those everyday events as well. Yeah. And not to knock on doctors, but they're busy. When you want to schedule with a doctor, I mean, sometimes you got to put her off a week or sometimes more, depends on, I think, what you're going in for. But, you know, that was my problem.

I think when I scheduled with a doctor for the toe, and in the past, I've used toe medicine twice now, and I can attest that I love the crap out of it. In fact, the two times I used it, I was pretty much walking pneumonia. And all I needed was that Z-Pak. And as soon as I started taking that Z-Pak, I was, well, I'd been pretty bad, so it took about 24 hours to kick in, but I could tell I was on track again. Same thing with my foot.

I think it was they upgraded me, I think it was C-Pro, the C-Pro that they put me on. C-Pro. For that foot. C-Pro, yeah. Yeah. And I'd gotten really bad, so amoxicillin wasn't quite cutting it. But it was, I just pulled the article up here. It was done in 2012 with my friend John Nost of Forbes magazine. And he interviewed me for an article after my foot had gone through but I'm just trying to show some examples. I'm a good example. The one time I got walking pneumonia, I got in the flu or whatever, you know, on a plane coming back from CS, I think it was, or a CDS show.

And, you know, I just like, ah, you know, I hack through it. You know, I'm a man. And it goes from that one stage to the, you know, the viral stage. And then you've got to have really powerful Z-Pak and you've got to really throw some hard stuff at it but you don't want it to get to that point because like you say, the infection, there are people that die and the infection goes in their brain it can go in your heart

you can end up really, you can kill yourself if you're not careful yeah, typically those, if you are going to get a pneumonia, a lot of times starts out as you do just, you have a cold, you have a virus that like any other cold, you're coughing and something sets in and you get that post-viral pneumonia, which does need to be treated with antibiotics. Part of the other, I guess, as much as we'd love everyone to come

and get their kit from us, at the end of the day, what we're really after is just raising this awareness and wanting people to be prepared. You mentioned how long it can be sometimes to get that appointment. Hey, if you've got a great relationship with your primary doc and you can call them up, maybe you're okay waiting the two, three, four, five weeks for that appointment and get to him and say, hey, doc, I'd like five antibiotics. I'm not sick right now, but I'd like these five. Do you think you could prescribe those for me? And maybe you've got a great relationship. And he says, sure. And he writes those scripts. You take those scripts to the pharmacy and you pay retail rates.

Something I didn't mention was that this is not covered by insurance. So you're going to be paying out of pocket for all of this, right? So you're going to pay out of pocket for that doctor visit. You're going to be paying out of pocket for the meds. So you're going to take those prescriptions to the pharmacy and get them filled and pay whatever the rates are at the pharmacy. 100% would be happy if that was the best situation for you to do. I'm just going to say do it because at the end of the day, that's what I care about is that you've got access to those medications. Now the flip side is we did spend quite a bit of time and effort putting together this telemedicine encounter in a way that allows people to come on the site at their own time.

Takes five, 10 minutes to fill it out. You pay the fee for the meds and all the rest of it happens basically behind the scenes. Next, you wait a few days and you have those medications at your door at what really is an affordable rate. We did some cost test comparisons. And when you look at retail rates, which are all across the board, as you may know, if you've looked at any, when you go to a Walmart or a Costco or wherever, they've all got really different pricing for their meds. But anyway, but the range that we've seen, if you were to do this on your own, was anywhere from $400 to $700 all in when you include the doctor visit and everything else. So our entire process and visit, the medications, everything, $259 gets you the kit and you're set.

You can put it next to your medications. You can put it with your food storage, wherever you'd like, and you're set for quite a while. Which brings me maybe to another question, which is how long do these medications last? That seems to be probably the most common we get. Granted, you're spending some money here and we hope you never have to use them and you hope you never have to use them, but you also don't want to have to keep doing it over and over again because the medications expire. So this is another really interesting thing that we come to find out as we're doing all this, getting Jace up and running and learning more about these medications. So the federal government maintains quite a large stockpile of a lot of these antibiotics,

some of them specifically for those bioterror events so that we've got some access to some kind of treatment. So they maintain these large strategic stockpiles. They're scattered around the country. And they were having to turn them over every couple of years because that's supposedly when the medications expired at obviously great expense. So they commissioned a study and this is all published. All these studies are published and accessible. You can read all about them. They're rather fascinating. But what they found out was that when these medications are stored appropriately, and that just means they're kept dry in a cool environment. The average across the board, when you average them all out, was a minimum of five years. Basically,

they retained greater than 90% of their potency for a minimum of five years, with a lot of the ones that we chose in our pack actually showing that they retain that potency for as long as 15 plus years. So that expiration date is something that obviously the manufacturer has to put something on there. They're not incentivized to make it a long date. States have laws for the pharmacists that say that your prescription can only be good for a year. So they have to put that year date on there. But it turns out that the actual longevity of these medications when stored properly is far beyond that. So that should also provide some peace of mind for people who are thinking, if I want to do this, how long are they really good for? Again, it's going to depend on keeping them in that dry environment. Humidity will kill them quickly.

Heat will kill them quickly, but you can get them to last for quite a while. Don't leave them out in the sun. Yeah, out in the sun. Don't leave the beds out in the sun. Don't let them get wet. The other part to that, though, is back in the day, medications, tetracycline is one of them, which was a common antibiotic. It's still used, not as much as it used to be. But that medication and some other antibiotics, over time, they degrade into toxic substances and they would actually kill you. And so that's the fear of if I take an expired medication, is this going to not be, you know, is it no longer amoxicillin? Is it something else? And we specifically chose these five, again, wanting

to cover the most that we could cover as far as the range of illness, some of the most serious illnesses, but also find medications that were relatively safe when it comes to antibiotics. These, none of these five medications over time will degrade into any toxic substance. At worst, you would maybe lose some potency after many, many years. So another thing to keep in mind. Yeah. I mean, I've had to take some of these things over mostly, you know, stuff that will help you. You mentioned the pricing, $259.95 includes all one, two, three, four, five, six of these medications. And then on your website, you've got a pricing comparison where to buy all

these from target walmart or walgreen may cost you two to three times as much but usually three times as much which makes sense i mean you know you're buying all the stuff at full retail from from these guys who this is how they make their money right and and to me it just makes sense because you this the speed of when you can get on something to keep it from becoming something far worse like I did with my foot. You know, if I would have had the medications right away when I first got my burn to maybe get ahead of any sort of infection. The same thing with the two times I got walking pneumonia. If I would have jumped on the original Cygnus and got that knocked out. It never would have gotten to that point where, you know, I think there's one,

I think the second one I should have been in the hospital. But I, you know, once I got the Z-Pak, I came out of it. And that was all the thing. Now, you market this also, I should mention, in the U.S. and Canada. Is that correct? Oh, yes. Yes. Thank you for bringing that up.

We opened a couple of months ago in Canada. We're in every province in Canada. Is that correct? Oh, yes. Yes. Thank you for bringing that up. We opened a couple of months ago in Canada. We're in every Providence. I built every in Canada, if I'm not mistaken. We had one that took a little longer than the others, but we're all across Canada, all 50 states in the United States. And we're looking at a couple of other countries right now. That was a surprise, actually. I'll be honest. The focus obviously was on the US. And as we rolled the service out, we started getting a lot of inquiries from other countries. And it was just something I didn't have familiarity. I had familiarity with some medical systems outside the US, worked down in Mexico. And in Mexico, it's a different story, right? UK, the EU, Japan, just to name a few of the other countries that have reached out to us with people. Number one, seeing the same issue with the supply chain because their drugs, you know, in a lot of cases also come from China and India and also that issue with access. So it's not just a U.S. thing.

It's a worldwide thing. You know, another part of this is, and I would encourage, and I would encourage your listeners, hopefully they come to the site, they go through that process. But a lot of people are also taking other medications. And when it comes to your blood pressure medication, your thyroid medication, your diabetes medication, those also are produced outside the United States and have the same potential risk for disruption. And so we get that.

That's a super common question. Hey, what about, can I get a supply? It turns out those drugs are also relatively inexpensive. When you're paying your co-pay, your co-pay is paying the cost of the drug. Your insurance company is not paying anything for that drug. You're paying for it. So you could actually have a year supply of those medications in certain circumstances, depending on your health and the stability of your condition, but you could easily afford a year supply of those medications. So we get that same question. And to probably to save my customer service girls some grief from your listeners writing in, I'll answer the question here. We are poised and really close to being able to offer a lot of those chronic condition medications as well in that same model. Yeah.

As a long-term supply where you can get a six month up to a year supply of a lot of those common chronic condition medications. And so we're really excited about that. And we've got some other things coming down the pipeline, but all in that same vein of how to empower people to be better prepared medically, how to make sure that they have the resources, both from an education standpoint, but from the actual medication as well to not be wholly dependent on a system that we've seen in the past can quickly be overwhelmed. You know, it doesn't take much during a catastrophe to just overwhelm your local health system. And that access that you need, which when it's medical access, it needs to be timely, can quickly be taxed. So that's one of the things that we're trying to just bring some awareness to. You know, I grew up with a family from Utah that always invested in food storage and all our lives

we'd have food storage. And you talk about in your study how, you know, emergency preparedness for medicine probably is almost more important than food storage. You know, whether it's a disaster that takes place, and we seem to have a lot of those lately, if you haven't noticed, there's a war going on that could spill over. That war is already creating supply chain issues. You know, there's so many different things going on. There's inflation that we're probably going to be dealing with for the next year or two. You know, you just can't see the future. And the five, I'm looking over your website here, the five emergency medicines that you have here, one's good for some examples.

One's good for traveler's diarrhea, bladder, kidney infections, pneumonia, bioterror, wound infections. You know, this is all the stuff you really need. And like you say, if there's a natural disaster, it seems to happen everywhere nowadays. You know, we saw the recent flooding of Yellowstone. It seems like the weather has gone really crazy on us. Traveling in a foreign country, I've had lots of friends travel and get sick. And when you're traveling, you can't, hey, can you see a doctor in France in two weeks? No, I'm not going to be here in two weeks. You're traveling, I'm sick, I need help now. And for me, like I say, penicillin has always been such a quick shot in the arm. I mean,

I've had really bad nasal infections, sinus infections from allergies and stuff. And just for some reason, penicillin is like a miracle drug for me. It just bounced back right away from it. And let's see, is there anything more we haven't touched on about your guys' service and what you guys do? No, I think we've really hit on certainly your guys' service and what you guys do? No, I think we've really hit on certainly all the highlights that we try to get the word out about. You know, being aware, just where all these things are coming from, where those potential issues could be. This is not an – it's something that we just don't hear a lot about. You talk to someone in the medical community, though, and they'll tell you. I mean, just the other week, there was a national – and it's still going on, a national shortage of contrast to do CT. When you get a CT scan, a lot of times they use contrast. That substance is in short supply. have reported drug shortages in the last couple of years. It's across the board.

And you may be saying, well, that hasn't affected me. And my little reminder there is it may not have, but this is all just to tell you that it's a razor's edge that we're riding. And people were saying, what's next? You brought it up earlier. What's next? Is it tampons? Is it baby formula?

Is it toilet paper? Right. So this tampons is a baby formula you know toilet paper right so bread right it's i mean it's everything it's it's computer chips it's whatever you know good luck ordering a new appliance you know you might be lucky to get it in six months so we're all kind of aware of that now and this is just one of those things that, hey, I hope it never happens. I hope we never have a supply chain issue and that'd be great if we didn't. But for a short, relatively short portion of your day, five to 10 minutes, and for a relatively inexpensive investment, you can at least get some peace of mind that you're covered in this one area of the dozens that are out there. This is the one little thing that we're trying to do to make a difference.

I can highly recommend it based on the stories that I illustrated. I could have saved myself so much pain. And then, of course, downtime. For me, I'm an entrepreneur, so time is money. And being down for two or three weeks, I mean, you know, I've got friends that are smart entrepreneurs, and they always have like a Z-Pack or something on hand, and they just jam that when they start feeling, you know, they get a little cough or something, and then they're fine.

And they lose all the time that you can lose. And in this world, you can't afford to be down. I mean, it's just crazy, and there's so many flus going around. We saw that with the, you know, now monkeypox is a thing and of course COVID and everything else. But anyway, anything more you want to touch on before we go out and give us your.com so we can look that up and get in touch with you. Yeah, no, I really appreciate the time. Always love talking about Jason. Just educating people.

It's J-A-S-E medical.com. What I would encourage people to do is we don't have our chronic meds. They're coming here really shortly. Get on the site, order your antibiotics, and you'll be on our list and you'll be the first to hear when we do get those chronic meds going as well. There you go. That'll be good. I know my mom's on meds and I'd hate to see her meds disrupted. I think my sister in a care center is on a lot of meds too as well and yeah it's just crazy what's going on in the world with supply chains we've had a couple authors on that have done books on supply chains and and i don't think they realized how crazy it was going to get when they wrote their books but

it definitely showed the the cracks in the system yeah that, that just-in-time kind of mentality, I guess it worked for a while, but I think this is here to stay. And I think it's going to be a while if we ever return to what we were used to before. In the meantime, there are some steps that can be taken to at least, maybe not on a societal level. If we had production back in the US, that would be great. We opened up a few of our own factories for some of these medications, and hopefully that is eventually what will happen. But in the meantime, it's something that you can do on a personal level. Definitely, definitely. Oh, yeah, we ran out of, like, medical masks. I remember thinking when that came out, I was like, how do we run out of medical? Like, what the heck? So, yeah. Anyway, guys,

I highly recommend the service. Check it out. It's definitely important. And like I say, it saves me having stuff on hand because you just need to jump on stuff. And when it gets bad where you start going to the hospital and running up bills or you've got an infection that can kill you, that's the last time you want to be chasing. You don't want to be chasing it, basically. So, guys, be sure to check it out. Go to jacemedical.com and check out what he's got going on over there. Great website. Thanks for being on the show. We certainly appreciate it, Sean. Thanks for coming on. And thanks, Monace, for tuning in. Thank you. And thanks, Monace, for tuning in. Go to goodreads.com,

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