The Chris Voss Show - The Chris Voss Show Podcast – Some Asses Just Need Wiping: Lesson On Holding It All Together As My Mother’s Lifelong Caregiver by Shelly Grimm

Episode Date: January 3, 2026

Some Asses Just Need Wiping: Lesson On Holding It All Together As My Mother’s Lifelong Caregiver by Shelly Grimm https://www.amazon.com/Some-Asses-Just-Need-Wiping/dp/196758740X Theperpetualcaregiver.com Some Asses Just Need Wiping For every woman who’s ever carried the weight of others while losing pieces of herself — this book is for you. Some Asses Just Need Wiping is a raw, unflinching memoir that pulls back the curtain on the emotional toll of lifelong caregiving. From parenting her chronically ill mother as a child to emotionally supporting a mentally ill ex-husband, raising two young boys as a single mother, and having one son diagnosed as neurodivergent, Shelly Grimm has lived through—and risen from—it all. If you’re part of the sandwich generation, caring for aging parents while raising children, this book will help you feel seen, heard, and validated. In these pages, you’ll discover: The invisible trauma children of chronically ill parents carry for decades The generational cost of unacknowledged caregiving roles What “help” actually looks like when someone’s drowning quietly Ways to support caregivers (especially kids) before it’s too late Packed with stories that are brutally honest and laced with dark humor, Shelly shares lessons that will resonate with anyone who’s ever felt invisible while doing the impossible. Whether you’re a caregiver, survivor, or both—this book is your wake-up call, validation, and lifeline all in one. Read it, feel it, and be changed by it.

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I really like this title. I don't know. I guess I'm going to find out about some of the, how to utilize the book for self-help. The book is entitled. Some asses just need wiping. Lesson on holding it all together. as my mother's lifelong caregiver out November 16th, 2025 by Shelley Grimm. Shelly, welcome the show. How are you?

I'm great. How about yourself? I am excellent. And we'll get into this. Give us your dot coms. Where do people need to find you on the interwebs? The best place to find me is the perpetual caregiver.com. That would be. And then perpetual caregiver, kind of like you were saying, Chris Voss.com, Chris Voss, Chris Voss, Chris, Voss, Chris, but mine's kind of perpetual caregiver everything dot just kind of hunt around perpetual caregiver dot everything you'll find me YouTube Instagram Facebook you name it but the perpetual caregiver

you start there.com you'll find pretty much everything you're looking for so give us a give us an overview of what's what this book is about it gives the backstory as to why the perpetual caregiver dot com actually has has begun and I've been putting this I'll call it my my heart hub I've been putting it together for for quite some time but it is because it's a part of me it's not something that I started because it was a great idea or I needed to monetize something or along those lines it's something that I do regardless of whether I get paid for it or not so why not but the book some asses just need wiping is I'm a good old Texas girl from the panhandle of Texas here in Amarillo.

And that wouldn't be something. There'd be just crazy old saying that would happen up here and just, you know, any old place. So as my book team and I were going through what to name the book, that just kind of came up. And that's kind of how that name got. You know, I said, well, you know, I mean, just as I was going through what we were going to talk about, I said, well, you know, I mean, I don't know what to tell you. because they were like, well, what are we going to name it? And I said, I don't know. I don't know what to tell you.

Oh, I know some asses just need wiping. And there it was. Now, are we talking about asses of people that you love, that you, your caretaker situation for him? I know some asses on Twitter. Well, let's talk about that. So we've got metaphoric acids, asses, right? You know, we've got literal asses.

We've got jackasses. We've got asses. So I've had the pleasure, honor, not so much pleasure, you name it, of having all of those to wipe in one or another. And it started, unfortunately, for me, my journey and the adventure of wiping asses, whether I wanted to or not, started at five. Oh, wow. And it started because my mother had the unfortunate pleasure, displeasure, of, being the first woman in the United States diagnosed with what is now known as Crohn's disease. At the time, she was diagnosed with what was known as Iliitis.

Oh, wow. So she was a single mom. My older sister was pretty much raised by my grandmother. It was just she and I. And our third party growing up in the household was Crohn's. And so I became not in today's standards by today's standards I would be considered what would be considered a neglected child by standards and god love you you call me a young woman I'm 61 years old so but I'm 58 so I'm trying to keep us

us right there high five trying to keep us well you know I just say I'm aging gracefully whatever that looks like it looks like you know but you know my my mother didn't have the capacity to do much else besides survive and and and and my grandmother was a nurse, you know, I mean, everybody did what they could, but we didn't even know what she had. The doctors didn't know what she had. I mean, this is, you know, this is groundbreaking when you think about that, you think about what do you do when you open up an 18-year-old who's come back from her senior trip and you're thinking you're going to open her up to have female problems and you really open her up and she's got an obstructed, not colon, you've seen that before, but she's got an obstructed small intestine. Oh, wow. so the doctors open her up and go okay you know what we're going to clip that out

and they're going to to doodle her on up this rhoda piece to what a little place no place called dallas we're going to get her out i am a really pretty fast so and she was 18 so she didn't have me until she was 27 and so i i i found myself uh over the the course of my life my journey, I kept ending up with all these roles, whether it be professional, it be, you know, volunteer, whether it be just people getting sent to me. And then my first, my oldest child, my first born, would born, newer, divergent, which they didn't even have a term for that when he was, he's 37. You're a pioneer in all the fronts there.

I am. So what I've done, what I've done, Chris, is I had to write the book because here's the thing. If I went all in with all the things that I'm doing right now, which I'm, I mean, they've all been hard, but nothing ventured, nothing gained, you know. But anyway, once I hung up the corporate high heels a couple of years ago, and I thought what I wanted to do was go back and just serve the John Q public. And then John Q public does not look like what John Q public looked like 25, 30 years ago. Yeah. I mean, it's kind of like you and I. We were talking about our age early.

This is a much different JQP, okay? So I said, I think I am going to go figure out up here. There are 62 million unpaid caregivers in the United States have been one of those over and over and over. So I know what they go through trying to figure things out. and I was in corporate America as a financial advisor and an insurance executive for 28 years. So I took that experience. I took my legal background because I worked in law firms before that.

And I took my background of being a caregiver to both my son and my mother. And I combined all of that to form this initiative called the perpetual caregiver. And it is really growing into a nationwide movement to benefit people. people who just need a little, it can be anything from, I host everything from events, a retreat. I have a retreat that's going to be hosted in Bailey, Colorado, May 1st through the 4th. I'll be doing a family love letter retreat where I actually host these events and help people go through their financial organization, workshop, it takes about six hours.

But in the meantime, they'll go hiking and they'll go, you know, get massages in one of the cabins and this, that, and the other. And then we'll do some fellowshiping and that type of thing. But my point is that we make it relaxing, but also in there we get some financial planning done. It's a very good financial planning done to help them get organized so that if they did pass away unexpectedly or they became incapacitated, their family could get all the documents together and have all of these things organized. but they've taken themselves out of life to work on life to get themselves organized and it's really hard on caregivers

my mom's a caregiver to my sister who has MS and she's in the thing and it's really hard on them it's really it's exhausting it's exhausting and you know as when we care for other people sometimes we don't take as much good of care of ourselves and all that stuff so let me ask you this the what was that like for you at five years old do you talk about that in the book what it was like to you know you have to really grow up fast i mean take care of somebody at five yeah you can't take care of yourself really no what you really do and that's kind of you know

I've had a lot of people yeah I've been on a ton of podcast uh but really what in fact once I wrote the the the editors came back and they said hey hey, you know, the title, some ass is just a need to wipe, but I didn't read anywhere in there where you wiped an ass. You know, I don't know what to do here. And I said, it sounds like they were really trying to fix a problem. Yeah, I was like, well, did you see like, you know, pages one through 255 where I had all the other conflicts that were going on? But anyway, there was ass wiping going on. There was a lot of ass wiping, but it wasn't, it was all metaphorical.

But no, what it really was, and I was able to write it. an entire chapter that I was raising myself. I was taking care of everything I had to take care of. I was making my own dinner. Let me put it this way. Every night, if my mother was well enough to do it, we went to my grandmothers to eat dinner, as long as my grandmother was in a position to make it.

But otherwise, you know, I was on my own pretty much for meal time. I mean, you know, it was all the laundry, washing the dishes. I mean, it was, it was, there was, she was not ever strong. She was not ever healthy. Mm-hmm. And most of the time, and I do talk about that in the book, the book opens with the scene of them taking me to see her at five years old with her telling me that she was not going to be coming home and they didn't know what, she didn't know what was going to

happen to me. Oh, wow. my dad was already raising his son from his first marriage and he was had behavioral issues and he was nine years older than I was and my grandmother was already raising my sister so she didn't know what was going to happen to me but she'd be fine she was sure I'd see everybody well that's that's how five years old opens up so when you go from that to you're the permanent caregiver of the course so i really just kind of left you know stuck in survival mode yeah you know for the rest of that period of time and it really just set me up to be a permanent

caregiver i'm okay i'm really good at it i'm somebody helped you because i mean you know five years old you can't go to the store you can't drive a car you know it kind of makes a hard to it really if you had a chance now the audible book won't be out until i've got my friends come coming back in town tomorrow. So, but no, that's the whole point. The whole point is there wasn't any help. You, you don't, this is, you know, this is 55 years ago. Yeah.

I mean, what did you say? You're 59, 58? 58. Think of yourself at three years old, when somebody walked in and your mother was not feeling well, they didn't know what she had, they thought she just had an upset tummy a lot. and they didn't know that it was cruises yet yeah what what and it took them 14 years to even find a medication she could take oh really wow you know medicine wow didn't even have a name for it yeah that is wild that is wild and all they thought was that she was lazy really they accused her of being lazy oh yeah hey right that's what i'm trying to and please please realize this is a what young lady at 18 years old, you're 18. Yeah. You're 18. You'll have to go on my website and look at my mom. She was a very

attractive woman. So you got an 18 year old who's in the prime of her life. And you're going to sit down with a man and start explaining to him how a problem that you have is where you can't leave the bathroom most of the time. Wow. This is how you're going to approach dating. Yeah. Yeah. That's a. Now, she managed to have my get married have my sister and then she managed to get married and have me yeah i think that's probably pretty amazing and that's what i came to understand in the book and writing yeah is so she didn't have time for anything other than bravery and courage raising me and my sister we didn't get what we deserved but we got all she had that's true well you don't even always get what you deserve

you get what you don't actually we're a whole lot better than we ever deserve to be quite honest with you. You don't always get what you want, but you get what you need. Yeah, yeah. So, yeah, that's why I'm doing what I'm doing is that, and I have a bevy of individuals that I've worked with over the years in the financial services industry that are joining in,

and that's why I'm calling it a collective. It's not a company. I didn't start a company. I started a collective. And there'll be preferred providers who will be helping me with this collective. And they'll be helping at the level, though, where you'll need someone who's licensed or something of that nature to help, for instance, today. One of the things that I did for a client, their daughter thought that she didn't have what she needed. She went to

the hospital. She thought she was going to get to her mom in time to pay for her insurance that needs to go into effect on the 31st or, you know, be paid for it. Yetty, yeah, yeah. There's 14 things moving around. Mom's in Portland. Mom lives next door to me. Daughter's in somewhere in Missouri. She lives in Nashville.

You know, there's 14 places going on. In about 20 minutes, I took care of the entire problem and got everybody happy and what take care of. Now, the reason is because I knew about four of the different moving parts, some tax information, some personal information that they had going on. They're my client, the situation with the daughter. There was just all these moving parts going on. So mom's freaking out, you know, these things are going on.

That's the financial organizational piece that I helped the client with. The caregiver. So I helped the caregiver. She called to say, I don't know what. to do. Your mom, for instance, has something perhaps going on with, you said your sister's the one she takes care of. Is that right? Yeah. So she might would have something going on with your sister, a medical emergency, your sister's in the hospital, needing to go on the hospital. She runs into a

snag. She's in another city. They can't locate her insurance. And for some reason, that rural hospital says we can't let your we can't treat her until you find what we need well what does your mom do does she stop everything she's doing or does she help your sister which one does she do so now my clients my personal clients have 420 now i i worked as a corporate VP the last 15 years my career but that didn't stop the people that had called me their agent I'm calling me. But my people have called me literally on their way to surgery. I kid you not.

And said, wait, stop. Hold the phone. And said, get my husband or get my wife. Have you called Shelly and made sure these guys are in the network? That's how well I've trained them. Now, that's, that's, I know that's overboard. But my point to that is that's the kind of things that I've done over the years is saying, okay, this is how you keep yourself out of these caregiver people.

You know, when they start to take care of things, they're like, oh, wait a minute, don't forget, we have to check on that. Don't forget, we have to do that. So I have a YouTube channel. I have this. I have that. You know, it's all these things that they can get educated about. But I also, if you're my personal client and you're paying me my fee, I'm available to you.

Yeah. to actually make that phone call. And I have other advisors within my network that are the same type of advisors. And we offer a concier level of service that says, hold on. Would that actually be or should we actually be doing that? You know, and that's the thing that I think has gotten so, you know, we're starting to feel it now. We're starting to hear more about it now. I'm starting to read so much about it now, that the lost service or the lost piece to the service is the critical thinking, but also the piece that goes with the heart, you know, what is, do you answer that phone at whatever time that person's calling and go ahead and take the call and say, let me check?

Let me see if they are in your network. Let me look at that. And I just always have, always will answer the phone, always have gotten to my client and said, yeah, let me check up. Only one time did I get really upset with somebody because it was 6 o'clock in the morning, and he had two weeks, two weeks to ask me that question. And I fussed at him. I did, I fussed at him.

I still answered the ag-gum question, but I fussed at him. I said, you had two weeks to ask me if that plastic surgeon was on your plan. And I would have still told you the same answer. No. I guess his wife was having reconstructive surgery after she ran up on this ectomy. But I'd have told him at the same time. She had to said, no, because plastic surgeons are not on insurance plans,

even if it's for reconstructive surgery. Oh, that's true. So if you do it right after. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You can wait three months, you know, let, you know, after that. But if you do it right after, it's not covered. I didn't own that right then, too. But he made him stop.

I was like, oh, my gosh, I can't believe he did that. That's pretty wild. But that's really the level of empathy that I've had because I never had anybody to do that for me. Yeah. I had to figure it out. Yeah. One thing you talk about in the book is the invisible trauma, the children of chronically or ill parents carry for decades. Tell us a little bit about what that experience is like.

What it really, what it really, it took me a lot of years, first to even recognize that I had any. My brother asked me that when I came back, I moved back to my hometown in September of 2021. And he was like, how did you even know you needed help? I was like, kind of look around everybody else and their, you know, lives aren't going like yours. And you go, hmm. But in 95, 94, I guess really, 94. my mother ended up back and she had moved

to New Orleans where I was living she kind of followed me around you'll see more about that in book two but in the book one it infers that and she ended up in the hospital for initially three months

and about the first month and a half which is in a coma and I truly believed that I had failed at my job that my sole purpose in life was to keep her alive. But that was, you know, I had never done any, I never had any more important role. And yet here she was.

So I realized that that was, something's wrong with that thinking. And that's when I started getting counseling. So it took me two, Well, the first realization was when my first husband and I split up. Oh. And the first, his therapist was the one that went, you know what? Nothing's wrong with you as to why you picked him,

except for the fact that you have extremely low expectations for anybody to give you any attention. You've never required any. Wow. You know, you're going to always have to work on that. And I was, you know, at that point, I was a single parent. And I said, you know, I know my mom sucked as a single parent. So I better get counseling for that. So he just kind of sitting around the corner.

And I started counseling on that level. And then when she got really, really sick and I realized that I was feeling responsible. I'm like, wait, hold of home. I'm not God. You know, I know there is one. And I'm not him. So I sought counseling then. And that's when I realized that I had just been almost like groomed by everyone around me.

It was just, oh, Shelly's such a good. good girl. Look how wonderful of a caretaker you are. Oh, you look at your mom's, you do such a good job. And she does a good job. We don't have to do it. We don't have to do it. I like that. Wow. That's some icy stuff right there. Wow. Yeah. I was legally emancipated at 13. And when that part comes up in the book, I've had so many people on podcasts go, oh, tell me about how you got emancipated at 13. And I'm like, oh, you think it was me saying, I want a divorce. No, it was because I needed to sign paperwork. yeah yeah well i don't have time to do it so you take more responsibility oh okay not sexy or anything like that yeah it's i mean god you're just so young and you're you're just trying to figure your own life out and you know oh no i wouldn't even figuring my life out i got up every day wondering the analogy that i use a lot that really explains

how children at that age who have that much responsibility, and I don't care whether it's a mother who's chronically ill or parents who are drug addicts or alcoholics or living an abusive home or being abused, you know, whether it be emotionally, mentally, sexually, whatever. It's as if you're walking down the street in New York City, Houston, Dallas, doesn't matter, high rises all around you. And all of a sudden, now,

of nowhere, a big, huge bag of trash falls out of the sky. And it drops right in front of you. And a person like me or the other people that I was describing, you know, the other trauma victims being, you know, of abuse or neglect or others, we just walk around it. We don't even try to figure out where it came from. We just, we just, because you know what, we know there's another bag of trash coming so we just keep walking yeah the person that if we're walking with somebody else who's

not used to trash falling out of the sky they stopped dead in their tracks and are going whoa where did that trash come from yeah and we're going just keep walking there's more coming yeah but that sounds like my sounds like my analogy

people used to come out to me and they'd be like hey man And what motivates you, Chris? What is the fire that burns inside you that keeps you wanting to build companies to be successful and be an entrepreneur? And they're like, you know, what is the secret magic? What is the driver that you wake up, fire it up in the morning, jump out of bed and go, you know, build whatever. Go build this thing. And I go, you know, you really don't want to know. you really don't want to know what gives me moving

and gets me out of bed every morning and they go no you got to tell the secret man we want to know the secret I'm like you're not going to like the secret I'm warning you you're not going to like it but it works it works for me

and you're not going to like the secret and I'm warning you I'm warning you don't want to know the secret no we want to know this sounds great and I'm like well and this is a lot like your trash bank thing. So I said, you know, the thing that keeps me working, bills.

But yeah. They go, because I, because even though I pay all the bills this month, there's another trash bag of bills coming next month. Hey, when I went into the insurance business, my boss, my boss came to me. He was like, um, you need a new car. And I looked at it and I went, dude, I'm a single parent with two little kids. I don't need shit. I get up every single morning and I've got to disable that at the point

my son had already been diagnosed. I'm like, no, no, no, no. I get up every single morning. Sometimes that's the battle, man, just showing up, right? It is. And saying every single day, which is what's so wonderful about my oldest son

is it took him a long time, but that's how that works sometimes with kids who have to, It takes them a long time sometimes to figure it out, especially when they're on the spectrum. But once they do figure it out, he cracks me up now. He's like, no, no, no, it's okay. You don't have to do anything for me. I'm just happy to be breathing.

I'm like, no, it's okay, kid. I'm glad you're breathing. I remember one time I hired this salesman, and he was like, and he'd work for us before in the tall marketing department, but now he's going to go be a mortgage salesman. and I think he convinced me he could do it. But he left the company, and then he came back. He's always a really nice guy, very professional. So I said, well, I think he learned to be a salesman someplace else.

They came back to us because he knew we provided leads because he used to do leads. And so our system would make you a lot of money. It was, you know, because we give loan officers leads where normally they have to go scrape them. Oh, yeah, yeah, about them themselves. But the way it was, we pay you to draw, but you'd be making 10 to 20 grand. a month with us within about two to three months you have to build the pipeline up and then mortgages take about three days to close so it's a it can we found that it was a real problem for people that you know we hire these guys at 2,500 and they're making like 10 grand 20 grand

in two or three weeks or two or three months and it kind of whips them in the head you know it's that old thermostat issue like Tony Robbins talks about if you go above too high you make too much money you go i gotta calm that down and uh i remember he came to one day and he goes hey chris man i'm i'm fucked up in the head i can't sell i can't motivate myself to sell and i go i go uh why he goes well when i came to you i was broke bankrupt uh i didn't have i was living on my friend's couch my alma in child support he had like six kids oh my god he was like i was far behind on my child support i was just barely living he goes now i got my own place my belly's full got my own new computer got the all the child support's caught up and paid

ahead and uh got me new car and you know got all my life perfectly together and I just can't motivate myself to work and I'm like you know it's great you got caught up on all your bills and all the money you owed but there's a trash bag coming tomorrow that's it there is a trash bag coming man that's that's one of the one of the things that I you know think about it from what I did for a living for 28 years. I had to figure out, so think about this, how, what, what better way did I have for trying to explain to people? You never think it's going to happen to you. My mother was 18. Yeah. She got a disease. They didn't even have a name for yet. That is wild. On the way home from her senior trip. That is wild. So as we go out, give people,

tell them how they can reach out to you, find out more handshake with you, find out if it's a good fit, coaching, and utilize your services. Sure. As I said, the best way to really get to know what it is that we do is through my website, which is the perpetual caregiver.com. And on the website, you'll be able to find out about the coaching that I do is generally just starts out with, I call it the caregiver comeback kit. And it is where you get a copy of the book and you get an hour consultation with me to kind of decide if it's, is it, you know, financial consultation that you need? Or is it, you know, budgeting debt management? Is it to come to a retreat? Do you need respite? You know, kind of where are you with your life? And then we take it from there and peel it off into one of the various services that we have. So on my website, it talks about those various services.

And then my book, some asses just need wiping. You can find that on Amazon.com or you can find that on, I have my own, the caregiverscorner.com is my website for my own, my own bookstore. So you can go there at the caregiverscorner.com. And I have my other book going to come out probably about the end of next year. That's my slot date is again in November. And that one is going to be, some asses just need kicking. And I'm writing that one with my son, my neurodivergent son.

He picked the name of the book, and the reason is he said, Mom, I know that's not what you want to name it, but every single day I watched you get up in the morning and you put on cleach, just like me and Matt did to go somewhere to kick somebody's butt. We never knew. Sometimes it was ours, you know, my boys. And he said, but it could be at work. It could be at our school.

It could have been at our, you know, somebody not. handling something we needed done, you know, but he said every single day you had to fight for something for us. Yeah. Anyway, he's going to write that one with me. My mom's book would have been his ass needs some beating if she wrote it with me. Yeah, well, you know, and that's why Ben said, sometimes it was mine, you know, he didn't take himself out of that realm.

So we do have a series going and the series is going to be some just need. Ah. Well, that should be a lot of fun. and we'll look forward to seeing that book. Thank you very much for coming the show. We really appreciate you. Thank you very much for having me. I've enjoyed it immensely.

Yeah, lots of fun stories. I mean, you know, they probably weren't fun to go through. No, but I enjoy telling them. I enjoy telling them. So if you'll have me back, I'll tell some more. Lots of telling the stories. You know, and these are good lessons too, because caretakers need to take care of themselves and they need a lot of help.

I just try to break the ice over it. I don't, you know, I don't try to minimize it because God knows once you read my book, you'll understand. But you've got to get through it. And if you can, you're a better person for it. Yeah, a lot of caregivers, the big mistake they make is they don't, you know, there's the old saying, you know, put the oxygen mask on yourself on the airplane before other people because you can't help others unless you. And that's what the perpetual caregiver is trying to finally do.

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